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There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler + I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him.  Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. | ||
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First things first: if anyone has a gun in this game, I fully advocate getting rid of lurk as soon as possible. (If you decide this includes me despite my advance warning then so be it.) It becomes really difficult for town to have any hope in hell of winning when there are people working against us by not contributing. Now onto the actual game. I'm fine with VA at the moment. The sheer fact that he is actually choosing to give some analysis and reads D1 is a nice change from most of the play in his usual games (aside from the fact that he's going to spew some bullshit about how he 'plays differently every game' or something). I want him around. SnB, I think this may be the most I've EVER seen you actively hunt/contribute out of ANY game we've played in together thus far. Not sure what to make of it, and the fact that you and Vayne seem to agree very quickly on each others' alignments to some degree is either really good or really worrying---which leads me to Grack. He seem to also find this somewhat worrying (on the Vayne side of things) but... On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. This reads to me of poking just to gauge reaction to see if it's safe to start a wagon. It looks like a scum Grack being very very careful about harboring suspicion and looking for SnB to 'lead' him in the right direction as to whether town will view his suspicion on Vayne as 'ok' or not. It could have also been a preliminary attempt to break up what could be a potential town circle starting, but that might be going a bit far. For now, ##Vote: Grackaroni Also wtf is this? On September 12 2013 07:56 Zealos wrote: Hey, my name is Isaac. I know people hate role speculation and shit like that but I can honestly say I don't care. Closed setup so this may or may not be true, but from the OP Proxians are outlined here so I'm going to assume based on Golden Sun storyline we're out to find Saturos and Menardi. Based on numbers I'd say another but I can't remember who else is a villian from the game without looking it up and I'm lazy. I don't know what to be more concerned about at this point, the roleclaim itself, or the fact that absolutely nobody bothered to bring it up. Zealos are you going to be rejoining us this game? | ||
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On September 12 2013 10:02 Grackaroni wrote: I mean, from my perspective it makes a player more likely to be scum. If I was town I would never be this confident in a player from what I saw so far in this day If I was scum It seems like some bullshit that could slip out of me to save my scum buddy or protect a townie. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. It's becoming more and more clear to me that you didn't garner the reaction from thread that you wanted and you're trying to back off now. In other news, Kush are you going to be lolkush this game, or Persona Kush? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:03 VayneAuthority wrote: yea not just him WoS, the blubbdavid guy did the same thing -_- just posted a one liner and peaced out. Wouldn't mind a vig taking out either of those guys. If they aren't going to give us content, I don't want to be the one stuck at lylo with them. and I see you spotted the same thing I did in that grackaroni post, so glad we're on the same page. I disagree on that alone being vote worthy, but it definitely got me suspicious. I think I can safely say you aren't 3rd party this game  We're not going to be stuck at LYLO period. Town is going to fucking WIN a game. I am curious about your non-3P read on me. What specifically do you notice as my '3P' play? Did you have me pegged in Aperture? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:06 debears wrote: dag gummit. my cover is blown. didnt even make it past d1 That's impressive dibbers. | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:09 VayneAuthority wrote: debears are you in this game? Don't see you on the player list. it was more of a joke since I've been randomly calling you 3rd party lately. And I don't think I really even looked at you once in aperture so no. I was 3rd party as well and more focused on doin' my fake claim thing and annoying people for the lols. I think it goes back to that basterd mini game where you didn't give two shits about the game so for me 3rd party WoS = doesn't care and you clearly care with that first post. But I think you told me in another game that the circumstances were different blhah blah something 3P is fun, isn't it? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:10 Papa_Smurf wrote: @WoS So you don't find a town perspective of asking the opinion of the person who is receiving a strong town read in the early game? Even I was curious about it for a bit. Of course I do. Look at HOW it's being done however. He's not simply trying to ask SnB's perspective, he wants it so he can USE it towards his own ends---in this case as a way to relieve himself of Vayne suspicion. | ||
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That's about it. | ||
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If yall want to get all salty about my contributions by all means go ahead. I'm not going to be defending myself. Anyway finishing catching up---I remember thinking my Grack scumread is still justified but I have to recheck why. | ||
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I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm. | ||
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On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote: did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. | ||
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On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote: If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question? | ||
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On September 13 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote: Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch. I suppose that might be true, but then you and I are very different players aren't we? Here are the possible answers based on your question: 1) Because I'm scum. 2) Because I actually HAVE read the thread. Which is the right answer? | ||
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On September 12 2013 13:16 Grackaroni wrote: @WoS: There's nothing really going on there, I'm just putting my thought process into the thread; It just happened to have been S&B who asked for my opinion. Your scum narrative for my actions doesn't make sense to me. I'm scum subtly trying to buddy S&B to form a wagon on Vayne, OK that is possible. I honestly wouldn't give my scum play that much credit but w/e. S&B made this post. This is completely misrepresenting what happened in the thread. literally 10 minutes before I posted that S&B agreed with my point. If I was scum and my plan was to buddy S&B in order to lynch Vayne then everything would be going according to plan and I wouldn't be *backing off* Your narration for me being scum doesn't fit with what was happening in the thread. I'm really not leaning too strongly one way or another with Vayne at the moment. I've just been outlining my thought process in the thread. Ah ok, I forgot my original point when I was reading this apparently. This post does not in any way debunk my case on you. If you'll notice my case on you was based on you looking like scum testing out his 'feelers' to see where the best place to direct his scummy actions in the thread was. You say that my point doesn't work because at that point SnB agreed with you and you would totally jump on Vayne and everything would be according to plan bwahahaha Except that's not true at all. As scum one of the most important things to do is to sow mistrust amongst the members of town whilst blending in. Tell me that's not exactly what you're doing here. You just want to make sure Vayne and SnB don't get 'too close' to each other, while not wanting to go further and toss a vote or put pressure on him yourself beyond the discussion with SnB. Blending in. Now let's go have a re-look see at why I think I found more of your posting scummy despite what you've said here. On September 13 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote: I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Probably the only thing keeping me awake right now. | ||
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I don't like the suggestion to vig kush. Probably not alignment indicative though especially since you're probably relying on old metareads of him. He has in recent games (as you may have been told) picked up his play apparently. Hasn't done so this game until like just now but personally I wouldn't have vigged him this early anyway. I'd be much more afraid of someone like Onegu who can win games by AFKing apparently. I honestly like this defense to my case better On September 13 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote: Frankly I don't know what you are going on about, I have played with you twice before and I have never been this pro-town before. It's ridiculous that I'm even a point of discussion. I completely shut down WoS' points. Yes, there could be a mafia motivation for me to ask S&B that question There is also a town motivation for me to ask that question, His storyline for me being scum didn't make any sense (if I was scum, I got exactly what I was looking for from S&B and could have pushed Vayne more) so it is more likely coming from a townie. Since it gives me some FEELS on possible towniness to you I wasn't seeing earlier. Then this: On September 13 2013 01:27 Grackaroni wrote: I am going to rescind my vote on Pandain and move it to Blubbdavid. My main point on Pandain had to do with him calling me bad and wanting to lynch bad rather than scum. Nobody else in the thread has read his post in the way that I have so I could be mistaken. ##Vote: Blubbdavid Isn't that essentially the same thing as this? On September 13 2013 01:05 Grackaroni wrote: No I don't think he's really strong scum. I think calling out people with weak reasons is a big case for why Blubdavid is scum. You say yourself you're the only one who apparently saw the bad v scum thing the way you did, and while I agree, I'm not sure if that's for a towny or scum reason. Calling someone out with the intent to get them lynched is often done in many ways; what becomes important is not the language they use but rather the intent behind the attempt to lynch. This makes me want to look into Blubbdavid/Pandain a little closer and see how you're connected to this exactly and whether I can truly see town behind these accusations or not. LOL I REMEMBER READING THIS EARLIER TODAY I LOLED On September 13 2013 01:30 Grackaroni wrote: lol how is that your wagon, I posted on Blubbdavid long before you did. Vayne just so you know I was thinking the exact same thing. Vayne and I being on exactly the same page for much of this game----I'm not sure this has happened before. He is reading me pretty fucking well. I don't even thing we were in so much agreement when we both played on the same scumteam. I think I'm pretty forced to reinforce my townread on him atm. On September 13 2013 10:45 Grackaroni wrote: All Aboard! I am proclaiming this, The Wagon of Justice! So...voteswitch eh? WHen did you lose your scumreads on Pandain-->Blubb in that order? You literally just switch without a second thought but still seem to want to push the other two and the same time? what is it exactly you are trying to accomplish as town with this? I'm curious so answer please. | ||
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On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote: I have reasoning I just never posted it. @WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc. Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes. I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread? | ||
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On September 13 2013 14:10 Grackaroni wrote: You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective. Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be. Can you show me in your earlier posts where you outline the thought process you just explained to me here? Also would you not say I am doing the same thing as bolded above? | ||
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My second point is that you accused Blubbdavid of being scummy based on what I bolded, yet you haven't called me scummy for what essentially might amount to the same thing. Why? | ||
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I'm asking you to show me the posts in your filter where you rescind your scumread on blubbdavid and the explanation behind it I apparently should have already found in your filter. | ||
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The point remains, why did you not post your reasons for moving off of Blub before? And the fact remains that until you JUST explained yourself somewhat, I didn't see any other reason for you removing your scumread. Now can you answer my other question regarding a comparison between what you originally found scummy about Blub's play and mine? | ||
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##Unvote Just not enough for me to go on any longer. Too much town since that instant scumread I got from you at the start of the game and I was trying to pull some Ver-esque shit. Doesn't make any sense to not update reads though, and your thought processes and fast-paced discussion with you right now seems pretty damn genuine. I'm fucking exhausted and going to bed. I'll be around for a bunch of the day tomorrow before deadline. | ||
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'Koshi + Rayn power' makes me not want to bother posting while I can but I did promise. | ||
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If I default before I go it'll be a low/no-poster. Probs Onegu. | ||
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Technically the game ended well as a result but D1 in that game was not particularly productive imo. Obviously we're probably not dealing with a situation where it's a good thing if the cop dies so I suppose the direct comparison isn't completely appropriate but I'd still be very wary of letting you two run rampant again. I'll look a little more closely as my initial 'maybe-town' read on SnB is probably no longer appropriate especially considering my change in stance on Grack. | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So SnB must be town because it's me and Koshi voting for him.. This seems really fishy and it's nto a reason why my case is bad. lol. 1) never said your case is bad. 2) Never said SnB is town because you two are voting for him. 3) You start calling people scum when they disagree with you (ie dibbers/OP) How do you expect people to play this game when you attempt to pre-emptively shut down any contribution they make? This is exactly how you got me mislynched in Persona so i suggest you check your play, Rayn. Although I'm pretty sure this kind of play makes you town---I think it'd be really impressive if you could reproduce this play as scum. (On that note, in Rayn's recent scumgame, did he play this way? Does anyone know?) Now if you calm your tits, I'll get to SnB. | ||
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I worry now because I might agree based on Rayn's meta points. SnB come back and have some sort of shitfest with Rayn plz so i can have a better idea/read of you? kthx. | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:08 Koshi wrote: I have a feeling that the towncore from Persona is town again in this game. Oats, Kush, rayn, Koshi, VA (maybe), WoS (maybe). ezpz That would be very interesting---what makes you say that? Also you had an OHHHH post earlier. Whazzat? | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote: kk guys, OLD PARTNER IS THE LYNCH FOR TODAY. He has only pushed a policy lynch on Kush for whatever reason. Thats stupid and not something town does. Who wants to waste day 1 killing someone who is almost surely gonna be town without discussion?? Also, he uses the justification that he cant read all these dudes and therefore they should be policy lynched. bullshit. Scum writes Bullshit. Lynch scum. ##vote Old Partner Makes some sense aside from the 'almost surely gonna be town' thing. Why is kush town? | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote: Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. You keep emphasizing this. I've done this myself what I'm nto sure of a lynch but you seem to be pretty sure of your push atm, so why post this? This isn't majority lynch where we absolutely NEED consolidation (though it certainly helps) and you are in no danger of being lynched atm. Why are you setting yourself up for a vote switch? What are the 'requirements?' | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:18 Oatsmaster wrote: Like in theory, almost all policy lynches lynch town. Kush seems like normal kush. I agree. (Well except for maybe the policy lynch part because I don't think I've EVER seen a policy lynch go through on TL. Like ever.) I thought for a minute Kush'd start doing some real shit but then he stopped | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf are you talking about WoS? Blubbdavid is one of the leading candidates.. With how many votes? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm trying to rack my brain around a townie motivation for S&B to say that Rayn is hard to read when he's shown that he has an easy time reading rayn in postgame (where he couldn't have been lying) and I cannot think of one. S&B is a good lynch. This is what I was getting at with my earlier post but I don't feel good about the lynch still. I'm not totally convinced that the rest of Rayn's argument mean SnB is scum but I do want Snb to explain the point that Rayn made regarding him saying Rayn was hard to read. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:21 VayneAuthority wrote: uh...yes? thats exactly the definition of checking your posts. As town I always backtrack and get shit wrong since I have no idea what's going on. As scum you go through your filter and see "ok let's see what have I been saying" why would scum SnB willingly just 360 in a few posts as scum and look stupid as fuck? i dont see it. lol I make mistakes like this all the time, especially in recent games where my activity hasn't been overly spammy and constant. I was kinda hoping SnB would try to explain it himself before someone else brought up an excuse for it though.... Vayne! Who do we lynch today? Me? I have less than 2 hours to go. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I think rayn might actually be scum this game but there's no way to get him lynched. He is really going ape shit on this, in my opinion, very stupid detail of SnB's post. I don't really enjoy this I have to re-evaluate the game I highly doubt he's scum, Vayne. It's not the amount of posting or the tunneling, that I'm sure he does every game (I don't THINK I've played in a scum game with him?), but it was his reaction to my return to the thread that made me think so. It was a direct copy of how he pushed me in Persona as well as him reverting to calling other people scummy when they weren't agreeing with him during the start of his push on SnB. Why does him pushing stupid details SPECIFICALLY make him scum? You know he's done that as town before. | ||
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Shit I don't think i have time to do an in-depth read but he is all over the place as I skim through his filter. No in-depth analysis, pushing random-ass targets, trolly.... Thoughts, gentlemen? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote: yes because it makes very little difference in the game... If instead this happened 1: you voting for oats bro? rayn: yea for sure. .... never votes for oats... .. then there is a problem. Vayne the problem is it is what amounts to a flat-out lie by SnB without him addressing it. I agree he is tunneling pretty hard on it but it's Rayn. As town I'm pretty sure he's lynched both town and scum in this way. As far as Rayn's Oats example goes I'd probably accept that lol. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote: ok so you agree at that best this is a 50% lynch? well I don't want to flip a coin. I want to lynch scum. Yes as I've said I think we've been on the same page for much of this game, hence me asking you what you think I should do before disappearing. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:40 VayneAuthority wrote: that's weird as shit and you should never ask me that again lol gonna have to play the game yourself for me to get a read on you Oh please. You and Rayn both need to calm your tits. I've already explained that I'm gone very soon and if I don't come up with something on my own in the next hour or so I don't want my vote to go to waste. I trust you thus far therefore I am asking you opinion. Is there a problem? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote: why is he getting sweeped under the rug then? the contributions he promised never came and he disappeared off the radar suddenly for everyone after some soft defending. That's like the definition of scummy to me. Town kush has done this before. LXI comes to mind. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote: yea, if you aren't town me making your decisions does nothing to tell me anything. You should vote for blubb, OP, or kush though. Thats our best chance of finding scum I think right now. use your brain to vote for the one you want though. Alright if it's a read on me you (and possibly others) are concerned about then I understand---in that case I refuse to be blamed for when I am not around at deadline and am not voting for someone the majority 'wants' I suppose. I will make up my mind before I leave. Will look at OP since of the three you listed he may be the one I'd be most comfortable with. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, if you don't want to lynch scum so be it. Then we remove the incredibly bad play from the game (that has still some poissibility of being scum). ##Unvote: ##Vote: blubbdavid remember, i get all the "told you so"'s when SnB flips scum or endgames you.. Why does blubbdavid's play need to be removed and yet kush's or sn0's (or maybe zealos) doesn't? | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean look at it: "rayn made a case last game and his target was town" "therefore his case is bad here now" fuck this! He may have not phrased it well but haven't I been saying similar things about the way you presented yourself earlier? Admittedly that reasoning is stupid but whatever, stupid is stupid. Why the profanity Rayn? You don't need to rely on that to be convincing, why are you resorting to it here? | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am frustrated because nobody realizes why SnB is scum when he clearly is. It's not every post needs to scream scum, it's one thing that a townie can't do, and that's it. Scum do not slip in every post, one time is enough, and i found that out. People are justifying not voting for SnB because "rayn's D1 cases are bad". That's not a reason to comment/analyze the case. Who said specifically they don't want to vote SnB because they think your case is bad? I'm still waiting on SnB to come back and explain the apparent lie you found (and even more so why he came back already and didn't address it) but aside from that I wouldn't be sure enough to vote him today even if he doesn't come back JUST because of that lie (as I feel that is the strongest part of your case). | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:08 kushm4sta wrote: Rofl rayne you do this every game. Contradiction does not equal scum. You get tunneled on people for terrible reasons. Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that? I'm fairly sure I have pointed out the similarities in his play between games, but I don't think his reasons are necessarily terrible---his inability to keep an open mind regarding his tunneling probably is. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:07 Umasi wrote: Wagon on blub feels ominous, almost prefer op. Fuck it. Make of this what you will but I really don't think Blubb is scum. I've noticed that before people get lynched they are expected to make some sort of a reads post or something to help people out if they happen to flip town (never mind the=at TL towns ignore that shit anyway but whatever). I think out of all the games I've played in, scum has made a post (for WIFOM) like this ONCE that I can think of offhand, and that was ShiaoPi in LXI. Most often scum simply don't want to bother. Blubb has made a post like this recently, and specifically told us to watch out for debears (I'm not saying debears is scum). The reason I didn't want to reveal this until later is because I'd want to see if he repeats this behaviour closer to deadline but since I'm not here I have to reveal it now. TL;DR Scum don't give reads before getting lynched. I don't think blubb is scum. Make of the above what you will but I think at this point I'd lynch OP simply by process of elimination. | ||
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I'm leaning towards policy lynching him now. Yes he has the potential to be useful but I hate when people troll on purpose and expect to get away with it. | ||
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I'm gone as well guys. vote: old partner | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'd settle for the whole thread being modkilled and a draw at this point :3 (WoS still loses tho LOL) + Show Spoiler + Fuck you son | ||
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Couldn't let me win with you. GG though all, not fucking surprised. ##nofaithintown | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:48 Grackaroni wrote: hahahahaha WoS.... that guy shouldn't be trying to be Ver calling out mafia from their first posts as survivor. scary stuff.... I don't even remember it was so long ago....what did I do? Oh my scumread on you Grack? LOL the funny thing is I'm pretty sure your defense had me convinced after that point and either way I wasn't going to push you...I was fucking survivor, like I give a shit what happens to who on D1. It was just really unfortunate I couldn't scum it up anymore on N1 since I had to be afk for all that time and you guys apparently thought I was a threat. I was so looking forward to winning with you guys after getting a fakeclaimer lynched just like in Basterd. I was also apparently the only one who realized this setup was very similar to Les Mis and there was no SK---the fact that you guys stuck to SK reasoning throughout basically the entire game without even considering anything else is what screwed town imo. | ||
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