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Papa_Smurf
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Anyways Hi guys. Is grack really a troll too normally? | ||
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Please don't spam. I'm begging you guys. Makes the game freakin impossible to read. And SnB i have an idea how to do it. | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:10 strongandbig wrote: Sup kenpachi Why did you say kenpachi SnB? Does he go by a new name now? | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:23 Koshi wrote: How do you know I am town? ##vote StrongandBig ooooohhhhh me likes On September 12 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote: papasmurf i see you volunteered to coach a newbie. that kind of implies that you have played before. Hence my name, Papasmurf. I accidentally forgot to switch accounts when I did it lol | ||
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Best suspect we have so far :D | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! How dare you include me with the spammers?!! I never spam. Who the fuck is this smurf coward? anyone know his real identity? I'm finding it extremely odd that you would actually feel mad about that given I have played with you in multiple games and know you have a tendency to post alot, sometimes in an anti-town fashion (unless you recently changed your meta). And the fact that I didn't say it in offensive fashion either is another check against you thus far. It feels like forced emotion | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:58 VayneAuthority wrote: sup nerds, few concerns why did blubbdavid come into the thread and say hi then peace completely? he was here yet had nothing to contribute to the game. SnB is town, get votes off him. just played scum with him and this is obvious already Why are you defending him this early? Why are you so certain he is town that you have to defend him this early in d1? Why are you so certain he is town off so few posts? | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:02 VayneAuthority wrote: because I dont want town lynched because thats how you win the game SnB is more nonchalant as town and as scum he plays very uptight and takes forever to post. Here he's firing off posts at will. this isn't scum SnB im already sure. So you must obviously think the supposed scumslip (and semi-wagon) on him are legitimate then since you are defending him? Why can he not fight this himself by just "proving his townieness" if he's so surely town? Won't time tell anyways? Since when are two votes early day 1 a nail in the coffin by any meaning? | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote: Votes are the only legitimate action in mafia, and I spotted two aleady tossed. I like to be in the thick of the game instead of a spectator so ill always speak my mind whether you like it or not. A wrong vote is a wrong vote, you sound upset that I stopped your shitty wagon so early. Now to you, Why were you so quick to bandwagon on such a stupid reason? Why are you so ready to vote for anyone that isn't you? If my wagon was so shitty, why do you think it'll actually garner votes? That's a huge contradiction in mindset there. For your questions, Why not? We need to talk about something day 1. Votes are the best ways to get people to talk. Especially when the people you vote are doing/saying questionable things for a town player | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote: A wrong vote is a wrong vote, you sound upset that I stopped your shitty wagon so early. The bolded infers that you thought the wagon would gain momentum. Anyways, what you are doing is extremely dumb or scum. I'm dropping this line of thought for now for a reason | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:21 VayneAuthority wrote: yup ive played as scum with him in that same game, but he changed his meta in persona so I reserve judgement on him thus far Has his meta change been consistent? Or is it just that game? Btw, anyone who knows kush well please chime in on this | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote: this time im his town buddy bro also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL @papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona Ah. alright. I was mainly talking about his scum meta. Eh. Guess I'll just keep watching him. Look at his first post and my post about it. Tell me what you think. | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:05 debears wrote: SnB, just to make sure I have a clear understanding on your read on VA. Do you have a strong townread on VA? Just so its in the right filter now | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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So you don't find a town perspective of asking the opinion of the person who is receiving a strong town read in the early game? Even I was curious about it for a bit. | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:10 VayneAuthority wrote: wow so debears was lying that whole time about being suspicious of my aggressive play. that changes a lot my friend, that slip could be your un-doing... Where did I say this? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:13 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean we just had a whole argument and you voted me over me having a strong read on SnB early. and you just played with me in aperture. game changer bro What? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote: am I misinterpreting this? You are suspicious of me defending my townread so early right? and you just played with me in aperture where you would know it's not weird that I have strong reads early at all. that is the disconnect here im having. Before you were just an unnamed person that I thought didnt know me but now I've seen you have played with me before. recently even. I played with you in Aperature where I only read through 60 pages and I didn't have any real solid reads. I didn't even get to actually play that game. How can I compare that one game that I didn't really play to all of your games? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course I do. Look at HOW it's being done however. He's not simply trying to ask SnB's perspective, he wants it so he can USE it towards his own ends---in this case as a way to relieve himself of Vayne suspicion. I see it equally likely from either perspective. Town - See what the receiver thinks of the early town read. Scum - Act involved Now, if he had a vote on SnB and said SnB was scum, then asked that question, we'd have something to talk about. You are basing this all on scum assumptions by denying any town assumptions | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean it was in the first few pages of the game...if you're saying you got no impression from me for that entire game then so be it. I'm not even gonna make a case on that since I know I can do better. Just you're really fishy to me right now, but active at least. Better off waking up tomorrow and seeing what the lurkers scrounged up and re-evaluating from there. This was the only thing I said. I never had a read on you On September 02 2013 07:00 debears wrote: Is is me, or did anyone else pick it up that VayneAuthority claimed a third party role in his early posts? How does that imply I ever made a read on you in Aperature? | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I see his behaviour as more likely to come from scum. That's about it. Right now, I'll agree to disagree. If we get other pieces that make a puzzle, you'll have my interest fo sho | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:27 VayneAuthority wrote: there was a perspective issue where I thought everybody reads the game as I do when I join games. I figured you would see a made a reads post very early into the game but that was not the case from what you tell me. It was a bad perspective, and im done with comparing this to another game. See you guys tomorrow. Nah. I usually just look for something that catches my attention and go from there. I don't really try to "read" everybody day 1 solidly. Just look for strong ones. | ||
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Kush who is the main person that jumps out at you from everyone excluding WoS? | ||
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I'm not gonna lynch SnB solely off a scumslip like that. The vote was a pressure vote. There's plenty of time to see what he does as the game moves on :D I really hope you are Ver or something cool like that :D What do you think of Kush's posting content wise? | ||
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Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance. And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge | ||
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No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it) | ||
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When he said "bad read" about you it meant "scum read" pretty obviously by how he described your posting. Then kush is playing scummy in itself (although that's normal for him as town and scum). "Posting like shit" doesn't mean bad (unless he has a town read on kush). It means he's playing anti-town At least that's what I discerned. | ||
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On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles. Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post | ||
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On September 12 2013 15:44 Grackaroni wrote: What did I misinterpret? You have a reason to believe he is town? Eh a closer look at that post has some out of place things | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: *STARSENSES* also scumslip or something READ THIS WHOLE QUOTE CHAIN PLEASE. He's excusing pandain pretty hard then a soft-backoff Basically, its mega weak association garbage that I threw together to make a scumteam that then failed because there are 4 not 3 scum. He's not on my lynch list today, but he's scummier than null. BD and to a lesser extend panda tho... sn0 I would like an answer for you on htis On September 12 2013 15:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it) On September 12 2013 15:59 Papa_Smurf wrote: Eh a closer look at that post has some out of place things How do these quotes not infer that I reread panduins post and then posted the questions I had about it? | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Iunno, kush seems pretty lynchable to me (in general, not right now). If he doesn't start playing like persona 4 then we just lynch him ezpz. Give him time to get rolling tho. Considering how valuable to town he was in P4 I'm in no hurry to get him. Thats like a large part of my thoughts on blubbdavid. Who wants to lynch Kush/Koshi D1? scum do lol. Okay I wanted to lynch Koshi D1 but he fucked up a Self-Aware miller claim day 1. Where'd kush go anyways? So, you are going to base all of kush's townplay off of one game he played really well in and hold him to that standard? That doesn't make sense. That game is an outlier for him. @Everyone Kush is not unreadable in any way. He's hard to read, but he has scum tells that differ from his town game. He should not be vig shot. He should be lynched if his posting continues the way it does. | ||
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As of now, I will be down for a blubb lynch and kush lynch. | ||
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This is a pure policy on raynp If rayne EVER in game says he fake claims, we are lynching him on the spot. No questions asked. He heavily messed up the last game for town by his fakeclaim shenanigans (fakeclaiming 3 times apparently since the host said he never got shot). MAKE SURE WE LYNCH RAYNP IF HE EVER FAKECLAIMS | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* As I recall I found 2 scum in desert, one of them got derailed by you and your fucking mason claim with oats. Then, in aperature, I caught a scum without reading. You didn't catch any. Game and match | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about attention on me. I play better and you can't mislynch me either way. ^^ So we can't mislynch you? That must mean you are a scum | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was talking to Sno, but still: Your Sylencia wagon on D1 (which i agreed with) was derailed by Oats wagon, who i saved in the end. Anyways this is pointless. My point is simple Stop waving your dick around in people's faces like you are better than them. Your play was unacceptable in Desert. Your play in aperature was terrible. You aren't as good as you fucking think. Get over yourself. Relearn how to play. Starting with your playstyle. Post less and think more. Maybe then you will actually be good *note to everyone* - this is me just bitching at him because I've had to deal with this for two games straight. He needs to be put in his place by somebody, regardless of his alignment this game | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone tell me why blubbers is scum? He retracted from his bad argument when pointed out he's wrong. so scum can't do that? | ||
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yet you asked why is blubbers scum? and I will talk to you in postgame about your play in desert and here thus far | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:55 Papa_Smurf wrote: sn0 I would like an answer for you on htis How do these quotes not infer that I reread panduins post and then posted the questions I had about it? | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote: I can't see this game ending well for us at this rate, time to stop worrying about other games and play the game please. There's 4 or 5 players that haven't done shit yet, you guys aren't lynching each other so just stop. i never said i wanted to lynch raynp. Blubb and kush are the main candidates for me. Onegu should be vigged. If not let's see what he comes up with if his internet is actually down. WoS is starting to worry me. He said he'd be gone all friday and saturday, yet he hasn't posted anything or show any urgency this game to get in substantive posts. Instead, he went to watch masterchef all night apparently. Also, his post is questionable. He's on my scumdar also. | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: + 2 questions. 1) Why are you shitting up the thread for no reason? 2) What's wrong with my play in this gmae? Does it make me scum? How? I'm not answering the second two questions. Read my posts on you and infer what my read on you is and why I posted what I did the way I did. Otherwise, I'll starting calling you names again because you aren't reading. What's wrong with an "easy" lynch when the lynch candidate is doing stuff that is inherently scummy? Vayne and friends have posted enough reasoning to lynch him, and I agree with them. If you want, I can make a giant post about what I think about blubb and why he be scum city if you want (it'll be repeating most of what they said) | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. start reading please On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote: The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset. 1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily. 2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town "posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better "he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town. "he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched. I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess. 3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious. I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote: I would disagree on WoS, his opening post was solid and real life should never be taken into account when forming scum reads. If you really want to look into it though, he's usually town when he gives these excuses since he probably gets really paranoid or whatever that people will think he's scum. I can't read onegu for shit, so I honestly couldn't care less if he's vigged or whatever. He looks really scummy to me as both alignments in every game so no comment there. Blubb's response to my case was satisfactory so doubt ill be leaving my vote there by the end of this cycle, but he needs to do a lot more then just that. But what I'm saying is, Vayne, is that he said "I won't be here Friday and Saturday". Then, goes and lurks first half of d1. There's a disconnect there from a town perspective. If I recall correctly, he was one of the more active posters d1 of aperature no? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP? 1)Remember how OO wanted to lynch me for being useless, then voted me. Pandain did the same thing with kush. 2) Then he called someone town and suspicious in the same post. That's definitely awkward if he is town. 3) And his reasoning for his townread on SnB is totally off. so 1) is scummy 2) is weird as hell for a town to say 3) is bad logic See what I'm gettin at? | ||
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On August 31 2013 11:19 debears wrote: I'm gonna guess most people have a town read on clarity and wave of shadow. Possibly BH too. Just based on filter size VE Koshi and Slam doing decently as well Vayne this post is when i first replaced d1 of aperature | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote: if you read it, it was mostly a bunch of garbage and he turned out to be 3rd party I am just going to have to once again disagree at this point. WoS is a bit hard to read though so no way am I giving him a free pass like SnB. my day one lynch candidates at this point are blubbdavid (less after his response), grackaroni (still think that post that me and WoS picked up on is super sketchy), and one of rayn/koshi, cant decide who is town of them yet but one is scum for sure. vig targets - onegu, zealos, etc all the people that refuse to do anything. ohhh i htought he was town in aperature. Eh. I guess I'll just lay off it for now | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Lets lynch vayn/rayn/pandain + 1 (the rhyming team!). Probably in reverse order (+1!) blubbers looks awful but a) everybody who I think is scum wants to lynch him and b) maybe lynchbait? Well, upon reread he looks really really bad. Ugh. Sno do u just want anyone lyncheD? | ||
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why do you want to lynch vayne/raynp/pandain, all of whom are contributing well (ie looking town) over lurkers who look scummy? | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME? If you really are making a big deal about literal meaning, you are either scum or not reading as town. If you are town, just chill out and readdddddddddddddd | ||
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On September 13 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote: I don't understand why Pandain suddenly thought that. Who told him? Was it in this thread? Did he answer already when we asked before? I do agree with this point. Zealos has neither confirmed or denied thats his real name or if he's claiming. I think people are jumping to conclusions. Let's wait to hear from Zealos more before we all start saying he claimed. A few notes: 1) I do agree SnB's fall off in terms of posting is a little alarming. I'm not worried about it right now. As of now, kush, blubb, WoS, zealos, onegu and any other lurker should be our main concernin that order. That's 5 lurkers alone rght there. That's 1/3 of the game. We can't really expect to win with that many if they are town (and I don't think they are). 2) @Raynp - if you want people to answer your posts, stop making so many. I don't even read half your posts (espeiclaly in our last 2 games) because your posting is all over the place Also, get rid of your hard on for OP. He has contributed more than 1/3 of the players, and nothing jumps out as super scummy. Focus on people that should actually be lynched 3) WoS - Still mia. He's not gonna be here for two days. Why is he not posting when he knows he won't be here for two days. This is unacceptable if he is town 4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears, i have a question for you: Is SnB's post right or wrong? You are talking about the post where he gives a kinda meta read on you? If so, the answer is who knows. It's hard as hell to actually read you because you walk the line of bad town and scum. I've thought you were scum in both games I've played with you and you were town. | ||
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Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct? | ||
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On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair. 5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead? 5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?). 6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread. I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi. So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post? That doesn't make any sense at all | ||
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote: 1) Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. 2) My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. 1) I'm not sure on how accurate that statement is, seeing as I haven't played in a game with scum you raynp. But it's pretty accurate of your town meta 2) So this is what changed your read? 2 lines about, "hey it looks like scum raynp based off this meta read I have and this interaction". The fact that he is mentioning an interaction is kinda encouraging seeing that it means he's trying to make sense of the thread (possible to fake). also, you are forgetting the part where he goes and says "i want to vote panduin" right after this post. You weren't his top scumread, so no reason to be like "omg this raynp so scum" Considering that you are having fits about little things this game, some of this rings true by SnB. Definitely not as scummy as you think | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote: what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh. rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too. He never said he couldn't post before friday. When did he say "I can't post before friday" On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote: As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler + I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him. Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good. However, what's wrong in that post is: 1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post? 2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck. 3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:52 VayneAuthority wrote: I just don't see the point on bringing this up repeatedly. We get the point, he isn't posting. Plenty of other people aren't either. We are arguing like idiots again.......... | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you. | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote: No I feel this is important. If you are town you should drop it because it looks like you are trying to pile dirt onto WoS that isn't there. if not posting was a crime, scum would already have majority in this game LOL I am not gonna drop this. I want him to post Why do you not care if he posts? Like seriously, if he is town, as you say, would it not be 100000x better if he posts? | ||
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On September 13 2013 11:08 Grackaroni wrote: I was digging through GK's filter and I just noticed he requested a ban. Need a replacement/modkill for GK huh? where do you see this? | ||
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On September 13 2013 11:19 kushm4sta wrote: It is just not true about me never being readable. No one who plays with me a lot thinks that. Yes my content so far has not been particularly alignment indicative. But that is because I was busy and didn't have time to come up with anything worthwhile. In the next 8 hours at some point I will closely read the thread, decide who I want to lynch, and write why. That is a promise you can hold me to. So all policy votes on me, (which im pretty sure is all of them) should come off right now. Because I AM PROMISING to do shit tonight and if I don't you can auto lynch me. Still waiting Kush. On September 13 2013 18:39 kushm4sta wrote: close read aborted at pg 10 because im tired and i have shit to do And this ain't gonna cut it. That's 40 min from the 8 hour mark you said. | ||
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1) His activity isn't fitting of the games that I've played with him (scum or town), but he just isn't emotionally involved in this game. Usually, in his town games, he actively discusses main lynch targets (even if they aren't necessarily the ones he wants to lynch). But, his lack of doing that could be from lack of time. But, with lack of time, that brings up this question On September 07 2013 15:38 kushm4sta wrote: does aperture ever end Why does he ask questions like this pregame, then suddenly decide not to play and not read the thread? This question infers that he is excited to play the game, and doesn't want to wait. Then, we get this kush. On September 13 2013 18:39 kushm4sta wrote: close read aborted at pg 10 because im tired and i have shit to do 2) While he said he would do a close read within 8 hours, he didn't. Meanwhile he kept posting in thread instead of reading. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19732542 Look at the string of posts from him following this one in his filter. He is supposed to be reading and making reads, yet he doesn't do that (only gets to page 10), then keeps posting in thread. There's a disconnect. He promises to read thread ---> doesn't -----> posts in thread for quite a bit of his filter So, he's too busy to read the game, but has time to actually post when he promised he'd read and make reads? That doesn't make sense. It's scum oriented. 3) His stance on GK is odd. It directly contradicts a post he made a little before it first post On September 13 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote: Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch. second post On September 13 2013 16:19 kushm4sta wrote: on pg 10 of reread. so far i really want to lynch goodkarma for his useless nitpicking posts. I could also lynch Wos. On September 13 2013 16:45 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote gk So, basically he says, "I'm not reading so I'm going to sheep a case by an active player. Then, he goes and votes for GK, despite no main player saying GK is scum. Doesn't make sense. Also, in line with how kush plays as town, he usually comments on the main lynch candidates, which he does not do here. On top of that, he wants to lynch a player no one has talked much about being scummy. On top of that, that player has been replaced by a replacement who has shown he has started reading the thread (almost as much as kush at this point). That's scum motivated Furthermore, kush can figure out games, but he usually does it in unique ways (look at Acne Mini Mafia where he focuses on the flavor to try to solve the game). He hasn't shown that this game in any way. At all. At this point, the only justifiable reason you could not want to lynch kush is "he's too scummy to be scum". That might be a different story if he was showing involvement in the game. But, he hasn't. He should be lynched because he's scummy and he's not involved in par with his town games. | ||
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On September 13 2013 21:24 Koshi wrote: Maybe. Kush should crank up his activity. Still don't want to lynch him. I think I can read him if he posts more. Idk where you get that he is gonna post more. he said specifically he would read and make reads within 8 hours and if not we can lynch him. He didnt. why is he suddenly going to pick up activity when he he promised to o and didnt deliver that promise? This SnB wagon is suspicious as fuck, especially from raynp, who said snb was town up until one post. One post that was relevant to thread discussion at the time and accurately described raynps meta according to raynp. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote: Papa smurf got a red hat. Maybe also a red role? [dramatic] dum dum dum [/dramatic] lol i just understood this joke now | ||
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On September 13 2013 23:30 blubbdavid wrote: Feel free to lynch SnB, that way you will get more info. I won't support it, but also don't want to defend him. Aren't you supposed to be summoning people to your zealos lynch with well thought analysis instead of randomly commenting on the SnB lynch that you don't care about it? | ||
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My above post shows some pretty dang scummy thought process.he literally doesnt care about someone else getting oynched over his scum read in zealos | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote: What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand | ||
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On September 14 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote: PS: because VA has a good % on initial reads. But my own reads say SnB better than blubbers. Nobody is saving this blubbers guy or at least try to defend him. Or something. This is terrible reasoning. If blubb was scum, scum wouldnt hard defend him, they would try to convince town someome rlse is scummier. Mafia 101 plz | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears is also mafia because he refuses to comment on my case on SnB. He knows i am right. He is not defending SnB, he is attacking someone else instead. He also said some time ago that's exactly what mafia does. Lol the fact that you are completely ignoring what I said when I argued with you is out of control | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you. You lost any credibility you had with me when you refused to budge one bit on your reasoning and badgering me about the kush case. Your play is horrendously antitown | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:52 Pandain wrote: To sum up in essence why Rayne's analysis of SnB is flawed:
I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. Trying to play "don't care townie" card If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone. Damn do I like this dude | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote: He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. HAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: Pandain Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? Please don't give scum extra info unless 1) you are certain the info you reveal will make him look town 2) He is the leading candidate 3) if 2 is not the scenario, but it's close and time is running short | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:02 Koshi wrote: Hmm, with 4 scummers I would like to consolidate on a target. Also Pandain you think there will be 3 flips in the night??? Wtf SK, Vigi and Scum? Stop right now. That can be talked at night. LYnch candidates. Don't derail the thread | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:03 Koshi wrote: Yeah I know. But Kush is being a bit silly. And its 3 votes for people across the board. Going to end bad... Yeah mb didn't see the votes going off blubb | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is that's exactly what he does as town.. It does not make him scum. I t would make me or you scum, but not him. If you are right about SnB being town and won't settle onto anything but kush/blubb we are most likely going to lynch town because kush has like 1% chance of flipping scum and blubb is ~5%. It is not exactly what he does as town. I've played with kush multiple times and seen his games multiple times | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:08 kushm4sta wrote: @panda wtf I have read the thread. Sometimes I do not, but I have read every post of this thread. Most of it has been translated to blah blah blah but I read the shit! It's just to formulate reads for me, that takes time beyond reading. No, I'm not ever going to get to give this game a good close read. How I will progress in the future with my reads is I will be mainly looking at filters of people who I think are suspicious, and possibly read a block of like 10 pages around a vote. So you read the game, but fucking refuse to give us any reads or any thoughts on the main happenings on the thread? This is bullshit | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So I've still technically never played with a useful kush. He played well in Persona after I was lynched. I'm leaning towards policy lynching him now. Yes he has the potential to be useful but I hate when people troll on purpose and expect to get away with it. We all have potential to be useful. Everyone has hot streaks. And that was one game from kush. Not to mention the things I've pointed out in difference from kush's town meta, which kush has NEVER REJECTED | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote: can people tell me why they think rayn is town? All i've seen so far is because "he's being aggressive" but do you really think he's not capable of that as scum? I'm starting to get there on a scum read on him, but it's not certain. If he is town, I want him because, hell, hapa apparently really respects his play so he might be some good. Kush/Blubb (mainly kush) have a much better chance of flipping | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:13 kushm4sta wrote: oh sorry DEBEARS can you say what you want me to reject? i will respond to any question You said you've read the thread. I've put multiple posts. No way you missed them So you are lying that you read, or you are scum acting like you have no idea what I'm talking about | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:16 Koshi wrote: Yeah I am going to vote on blubbers. So what's your read on me? | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:20 Koshi wrote: You are not getting lynched it seems. But I know you went in discussion about blubb with VA pretty early in the game. We will see after flips. what is your read on me right now. stop avoiding the question | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:24 Koshi wrote: I did answer. around 4th on my imaginary scumlist sounds ok for me at this moment. On September 13 2013 22:05 Koshi wrote: Nope. Don't spew bullshit on the SnB wagon, rayn his case is pretty solid. Who else should rayn be voting for? It would look bad at this point if he wasn't voting SnB. Fact is that after last game SnB said rayn is easy to read, and then now when rayn is under suspicion by 3 people SnB comes in and makes some sneaky post about why rayn is scum. Kush does this shit all the time. I remember in GoT we were lynching him and he said "please give me anybody to read and I will give you my opinion, but don't lynch me", when the thread said read rayn he said "fu all, you can lynch me, I am not reading rayn". Funny quote but Kush does this shit all the time as town. The only thing speaking in Kush his disadvantage is that he is currently playing more scared to be lynched. I feel like he is playing more "reserved" than in his previous games in which he was not giving a fuck. So what happened to this? Why aren't you still on the SnB wagon? Why is his case suddenly not good? I brought up the same fucking points as Pandain. Why do you still see me as scum despite now agreeing with my opinion that the case wans't fullproof at all? | ||
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Some things off the top of my head: Raynp's and Koshi's dropping of SnB is off(especially gotta look at raynp, that little bugger). I wouldn't think both are scum . Seemed like the thread presence of vayne and grack fell off (not sure but had town reads on them double checking that shit). And guess I'll just wait til rigghhhhhtttt about dawn for anything super insightful. Haven't really decided if I'll post right before or quite a bit before | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:25 Old Partner wrote: Well I'm gonna look into the shenanigans close to the day end and see if there's a bigger story to be told. Can we tag team this game again BH. I have this old pic as a gift from Mario Mini ![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/fejhjt.jpg) Good times BH, Good times | ||
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Raynp wants me to explain my read on him right away Raynp wants BH to post ever read he has right away Raynp won't post actual analysis on kush's play Raynp thought we should lynch oats (a replacement) over kush Wow Can He Be This Bad As Town | ||
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On September 14 2013 09:57 Grackaroni wrote: You have a very pushy play style and some people don't appreciate it. It's hypocritical of you to demand answers from him while not putting much time into answering his questions. If Pandain was mafia this game ,judging from his posts before the lynch, i highly doubt he's not responding to you because he is scum and incapable of posting a response/trying to hide something. You said it yourself, Pandain is either very good mafia or town. What you are accusing of him would fall into a less good category, no? I like this post. Grack you make cents. | ||
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On September 14 2013 12:29 Grackaroni wrote: You think that both Rayn and BH look scummy. Rayn was repeatedly pushing BH over Pandain when nobody was suspicious of BH. do you think that Rayn was actually bussing BH today or do you think that they both have things about them that are scummy but it is unlikely that they are scum together? If you could tell koshi this line of reasoning, then replace raynp with me and BH with blobb, that would be appreciated | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:22 Old Partner wrote: In fact, I already knew you were going to ask something like this just by the way you set up the question. If I were someone who really had the balls to pretend to be BH, I'd have read his profile and noticed the list. can't blame a guy for trying | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that Grack also might be scum. I have no clue what Pandian was doing at the end of d1 though, he never mentioned blubb as a scumread and was pushing zealos and kush. Suddenly unvote and vote for probable townie. Oats, for gods sake, just make big posts with thorough analysis. It's night. don't need every little shallow thought | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:25 Oatsmaster wrote: debears, whats the point of knowing whether OP is BH or not? How does that invalidate his Survivor claim if it turns out he isnt BH? I can see BH pulling a stunt like that. No necessarily just any random person smurfing. | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:30 Old Partner wrote: Wait, if he thinks i'm lying about being BH, then... I'm mafia? or I'm not mafia? Should I have pretended to forget what i claimed in mario mini to dodge the wrath of PS/DB? hahaha. you have fallen for my trap! Nah I actually believe the supposed survivor BH for now.... But, will debears suddenly turn on supposed survivor BH and get him lynched? Find out next time on TL Mafia! K i'm done gotta actually try to do reads | ||
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On September 14 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont get it honestly. Which is why im asking him to clarify. Blubb thinks you are scum Papa smurf. What do you say to that? Ask me if I give a fuck | ||
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Lynch someone who you think you can read later over someone you think is scum. And the person you voted for ended up being town, when you said you didn't want to lynch them earlier. That's very contradictive in a scum oriented way | ||
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On September 15 2013 03:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Man. Debears. Are you ok with lynching Umansi? idk haven't taken a close look at him | ||
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On September 15 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote: yay Join us in the lynch Zealos/Pandain/OP/SnB train tomorrow! I was thinking zealos as of now. Pandain is certainly possible, but I had him as my strongest town read until Grack pointed his vote out. I have to reexamine him | ||
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On September 15 2013 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Im confused why you didnt notice the vote before Grack pointed it out. I wasn't there at lynch. I just skimmed to the deathpost And looking back, if zealos is red, pandain is likely red and SnB is most likely town due to SnB's post at deadline On September 14 2013 06:57 strongandbig wrote: If he's blue why would you vig him. What happened to your conviction that the wagon on OP is wrong. On September 14 2013 06:56 Zealos wrote: I like how Pandain is making points to try and make a lynch happen. Then you get SnB: Look the the SnB qutoe inside the zealos quote | ||
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On September 15 2013 03:51 Grackaroni wrote: @Debears, What do you think about Vayne? I have a big reads post written up for the end of the night. I have a read on him but I need to double check it. There's stuff both ways on him. I don't really feel like posting any more of my reads til then. I just wanted to support your analysis so it doesn't get lost. It's good stuff (enough to completely get rid of my strong town read on Pandain). | ||
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On September 15 2013 04:08 strongandbig wrote: Also both of those explain the q, which bh's explanation doesn't. And it fits BH's profile where he has alot of SC stuff | ||
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On September 15 2013 05:59 Pandain wrote: The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them. I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Zealos 2, OP 5 Zealos 3, OP 4 Zealos 4, OP 3 Zealos 5, OP 3 What is this, "I thought OP would be lynched bs". Zealos was leading op by 2 votes, same as blubb Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. | ||
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On September 15 2013 05:59 Pandain wrote: The talking about whether OP is SK or Survivor is useless and doesn't affect us. There's no way to definitely tell the difference as they're both third party and have the same motives (survive at all costs), as well as help get rid of people who threaten them. I don't think there's much use in the speculation, I agree with vayne's analysis of leave him as a back-up lynch in case we're uncertain on who to lynch. As for me Furthermore anyone who thinks I'm scum ignores the fact that I have been suspicious of Zealos before and even posted this here. Also quote of mine: I was like the first one(I think, or at least significant one) to actually analyze Zealos and point out suspicious behaviors besides just generic "being useless." I had switched to Zealos(why even encourage that bandwagon in the first place if I never wanted him to be lynched, it easily could have gone out of my control if I was scum.) In fact, I hadn't realized OP had voted, and thought that he was going to be lynched instead of zealous. I would rather have had blubbers lynched instead of OP which is why I changed my vote. I don't know how I would have voted between blubbers and zealous. Furthermore you assume Zealos is scum which isn't certain. Even if he is, it wouldn't mean I would be scum. As I mentioned before, I had thought it was between OP and Blubbers and made sure my vote counted and chose blubbers. On September 14 2013 06:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(4): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 14 2013 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: ##Unvote: Old Partner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 2, OP 5 On September 14 2013 06:57 blubbdavid wrote: ##Unvote: Old Partner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 3, OP 4 On September 14 2013 06:58 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote: Old PArtner ##Vote: Zealos Zealos 4, OP 3 On September 14 2013 06:59 Old Partner wrote: ##unvote ##vote zealos Zealos 5, OP 3 On September 14 2013 07:00 Pandain wrote: ##unvote ##vote blub Zealos 4, Blubb 5 What is this, "I thought OP would be lynched bs". Zealos was leading op by 2 votes, same as blubb Before OP's vote, zealos was still leading OP by a vote You are lying | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:22 Pandain wrote: Wow I wasn't even wrong So you are saying you didn't look at the votecount and voting thread at all? | ||
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1) We would have to assume you didn't look at the voting thread 2) We would have to assume you did look at the thread and can't do basic math Either of those would be extremely unlikely for town to do The actual count at the time of your zealos vote was Zealos - 5 OP- 4 Blubb - 4 | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:26 Pandain wrote: No I did, I based what I thought was the score based on what I that was there. Which is that we needed someone else to vote zealos or else OP was going to be lynched anyway, who I didn't think was scum. You are over-thinking things. How did you come up with an entirely different votecount as me? By looking at the incorrect votecount, I came up with zealos 5, OP 3 How did you come upwith OP having more votes than Zealos by the same process of addition and subtraction that I did? | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:29 Pandain wrote: So was I right or not in that disregarding OP's vote, who I didn't see because it literally came at the last second, OP was going to be lynched? And that only switching to blubbers would change to outcome? If you did the same process as I did, you would have thought OP was behind zealos by 2 votes. If you did math based on correcting the votecount yourself, you would have had OP behind zealos by 1 vote | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:31 Pandain wrote: I didn't see your vote. Note when I was like "well this was interesting" after I voted because I then saw your vote, which was amusing in more ways than one because you just suddenly appeared and also I didn't know exactly was the outcome then. Pandain please answer, how did you calculate your votecount? | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:35 Pandain wrote: It wasn't really calculating, and my memory is hazy because it happened last night and then someone woke me up at 4 am and really disrupted my memory of events before(basically something big happened), and I wasn't thinking I would have to defend myself. Basically here: I paniced, didn't think we would get votes for OP. By my reasoning(which I forget how I did because I didn't think it would matter), OP was going to be lynched. Given that I didn't think he was scum or that we would get another vote, I voted blubber who was more likely. So you didn't look at this votecount On September 14 2013 06:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(4): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) and then use addition and subtraction for the next three vote switches? | ||
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On September 15 2013 06:37 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you didn't look at this votecount and then use addition and subtraction for the next three vote switches? | ||
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Vayne Things I don't like strong town read SnB early game and hard defend Lack of activity close to lynch Goes "vote blubb" ---> won't keep my vote on blubb ---> keeps vote on blubb Things I do like The "aha" moment when he realized I was debears>>>>>>oh shit "I got you cornered scum" reaction because you just played with me Overall read: Slight Town Grackaroni Things I don't like inactivity near lynch Things I like His general thought process this game (we've been on the same page) His analysis on Pandain in terms of voting zealos Overall: Town, my strongest town read Pandain Things I don't like That vote on blubb over zealos Things I like His overall logic and approach to the game Overall: Null leaning slightly scum. The blubb vote was sooooo weird. I would be voting him if I didn't have a strong town read on him before that. If zealos is scum, Panda is likely scum Raynp Things I don't like How emotional and dickish he got on the second half of d1 (see him badgering me on the kush case, just how much of an ass he was to everyone in general that didn't agree with his SnB read) How much he was unwilling to budge in his reasoning How he just gave up on his "sure scum read" in SnB, despite how convinced he was. Things I like Not really anything Overall: Null. I have thought he is scum in both games I played with. His town meta is scummy as shit. Don't push him d2. Look at his voting and voting reasoning for best read. His overly emotional play this game IS quite different from his town games if I'm correct, but I'll have to double check. Zealos Things I don't like Everything about him Pandain not voting him when Pandain said he's scum Things I like Nothing Overall: Kill it with fire status BH Things I don't like He switched his vote when he was actually safe if he didn't He still seems unwilling to help town (which means he thing mafia will win, or he is mafia) Things I like Just BH in general :D Overall: I'm willing to believe his claim for now. I don't really want to lynch him d2. I think his true alignment will be clarified through nk analysis and such SnB Things I don't like His general inactivity after the start Things I like His posting near deadline on zealos and against pandain not voting zealos Overall: Slight town. The reasoning for his lynch earlier seemed pretty poor at best and the wagon came out of nowhere from Ryanp and Koshi Kush Things I don't like Everything How everyone soft defends him "he'll become readable" when he has shown he will not read or post reads and based off on good town game Things I like Nothing Overall: Kill it with fire. God I hope he gets vigged. Umasi Overall: No idea. Probably won't care until d3 (if i even make it there o.O) Oats Overall: Reading this dude based on his posting doesn't really happen for me. Need dat votes analysis. WoS Things I don't like Him saying "I won't be here friday and saturday" ----> proceeds to lurk most of d1. Only kind of read is on grack the whole time His reasoning on Grack seemed ultimately flawed Things I like Nothing Overall: Slight scum. I wouldn't argue against his lynch. Koshi Things I don't like He seems to be flipflopping (like he said I was 4th on his scumlist before lynch then suddenly he keeps asking me to join a zealos/op/pand/someone else voting wagon. That doesn't make sense). His agreement and hard defense of Raynp's SnB read His association between me and Blubb (the reasoning was god awful) Things I like His early posting Overall: Null leaning scum. Need to really take a close look at him to sure up the read. sn0 Things I don't like He's flown way under the radar since the beginning of the game How sure he is that I'm town Things I like Nothing pops out Overall: Null leaning scum. Pressure him if I'm not alive | ||
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I think it's safe to say the scum nk didn't go through for whatever reason. WoS could be either SK or vig kill. BH should be autolynched this cycle. The odds of having two survivors in a 15 player game is almost 0 to none. His role pm is not a role in the Golden Sun series. No one is called by "the captain" in the series (at least through my research). BH is not playing pro town at all, even during the night phase, which either means he thinks scum will win or he is scum (either way he won't help us). His crumb doesn't really make sense for just a survivor. Finally, lynching him clears up alot of confusion that could happen down the line at lylo. While is he getting lynched today we should talk about the lynch candidates for day 3. My main candidate is zealos. Not sure about who the second would be at this point. @Pandain I really need you to answer this question for me, because it could clear up alot of confusion I have that makes me think you aren't town. There is a huge reason why I am asking you this. On September 15 2013 06:37 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you didn't look at this votecount and then use addition and subtraction for the next three vote switches? Like really, your game indicates you are town except for this damn vote on blubb over zealos. Please just answer completely with you thought process to figuring out how many votes OP, Blubb, and zealos had right before the lynch. | ||
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On September 15 2013 10:09 Old Partner wrote: oh shit this is so on the money I take back my last statement and I +1, Like, and Give 2 Eprops to this statement I very much agree | ||
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On September 15 2013 12:04 Pandain wrote: ##shoot kushm4sta Please tell me this is a real vig shot. If it is, I will love you til the end of time | ||
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On September 15 2013 12:19 Pandain wrote: Sorry, I wish You literally just raised my hopes, then caused them to crash. Anyways can you seriuosly answer the question in that big post i just posted. Would help clarify shit | ||
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on your read on rayne, you say "assume zealos is town". Do you ahve a town read on him now? | ||
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On September 15 2013 13:29 Pandain wrote: Here's what I did night one: It's Kush 4, OP 6, Blub 4. I agree to help try and get Zealos lynched instead of OP, since you guys didn't want to lynch kush. Grack changes from OP to Zealos. Kush 4, OP 5, Blub 4, Zealos 2 Blub changes from OP to Zealos Kush 4, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 3 I change from Kush to Zealos Kush 3, OP 4, Blub 4, Zealos 4 It is 6:59. I realize that no one else is online or going to change. OP was going to be lynched since he hit 4 first. Given the strange votes I had seen on OP I had believed he was town, so I would rather lynch Blub than OP. So I change from Zealos to blub to ensure Blub is lynched instead as I thought it was the better choice. On September 14 2013 06:58 Pandain wrote: ##Unvote: Old PArtner ##Vote: Zealos Ok. This above vote gives me a wtf kind of moment (you apparently thought you were voting OP and not kush, which would make you think OP had one less vote than he actually did at that time, which in turn would let you think OP was safe) | ||
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On September 15 2013 14:33 kushm4sta wrote: fuck me. looks like im probably not going to get to do what i wanted with this game tonight. coworker has training so i'm alone at night and therefore there is more work to do. Lol. I'm done with this guy | ||
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On September 15 2013 14:04 Pandain wrote: Oh yeah no I was probably copying the format of the people above me. Or just consistantly thinking about OP. Alright. Seems geniune. Rest of your game is on par with being pretty town. Back to strong townread on you | ||
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OP Kush Zealos In that order | ||
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On September 15 2013 14:49 kushm4sta wrote: well thurs - sun are my busiest days so I will have more time soon! I don't see how you totally fail to mention this in pregame when the game starts on a thurs. Thats the first day and night, and half of the second day. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote: Friday is my day from hell. Warning: fluff post. Thursday 8pm to Friday 7am WORK Friday 8am to 4pm CLASS Friday 8pm to Saturday 8am WORK Why didnt you tell us about sat and sun at this point? | ||
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On September 15 2013 23:51 VayneAuthority wrote: dont have time to read this all right now, quick run down on why everyone is voting OP? cop check or something? I see that WoS was a survivor as well but don't think that really means anything. has OP been doing anything or just gave up? OP has failed to do anything at all | ||
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On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. 1) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. 2) Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): 1) On November 14 2012 23:10 debears wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING??? THERE ARE NO COUNTERCLAIMS FROM A JK/RB, AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH A JK CLAIM DAY 1??? On November 15 2012 04:06 debears wrote: Hey Hapa 1) I had a scumread on him before you started calling him an "easy player to lynch". You're full of shit. I saw him as scummy wayyyy early. 2) Yeah you must be. Cuz you refuse to show me one. Which means you don't have anything to back you up besides your lazy assumption of iamp being my top scumread 3) My logic is terrible? YOU'RE BETRAYING YOUR OWN RULES OF SCUMHUNTING, ESPECIALLY YOUR MOST IMPORTANT RULE On November 15 2012 08:15 debears wrote: Hapa you're so full of it. I WAS SUSPICIOUS OF HOPELESS FROM THE BEGINNING. HOLY SHIT.I wasn't under serious suspicion. Now, you're lying HE WAS IN NO WAY THE "EASY LYNCH" WHEN I FIRST HAD SUSPICIONS OF HIM. And oh look. I NEVER VOTED YOU HAPA CUZ YOU AREN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY. Now, you're making stuff up More lies Me being emotional in Mario Mini as town 2) On November 13 2012 09:47 debears wrote: Who cares????? Even if it's a smurf, behavioral analysis triumphs On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote: Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta. We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize. So why discuss it? On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote: Alright, let me spell it out for you 1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf 2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much 3) Marv says cross is cross So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant. Now, 1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town) 2) I ask whether it fits his meta 3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off Me lecturing people on why behavior is greater than meta, and why we shouldn't worry who a smurf is in mario mini. | ||
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On September 16 2013 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote: So if OP flips survivor Papa smurf, will you be really sad? No. He isn't helping us | ||
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1) bad reasoning 2) lack of evidence to go with that bad reasoning On September 15 2013 22:30 Oatsmaster wrote: not really. Uh. blubb thinks hes scum. Hes generally not actually been useful although it looks like it. But not really. Terrible reasoning. 1) You don't say "he thought he was scum" for a scumread. What was blubb's reasoning? Why is it indicative of me playing scum? 2) How have I not been useful? On September 15 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah debears is not giving any fucks about anything. He wanted to scumhunt even as third faction. That's what i have been saying.. 1) How am I not giving a fuck about anything? How am I not scumhunting? On September 15 2013 22:48 kushm4sta wrote: @koshi I am looking at hero mafia towngame and nmmxxix scumgame and this is defintely debears scummeta 1) So you took one towngame and one scumgame and call that meta? Meta is a trend, not one fucking game from each side. On September 15 2013 22:50 Koshi wrote: Cool. Now there is a chance for BH to prove he is survivor. gogo proof the red smurf is an evil scummer! 1) So you think there is proof before kush actually posts his "meta read"? Why is this? | ||
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On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): On September 15 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote: Kush so town. In a highly misrepresentative "meta" case, kush shows one quote from one of each game, then calls that "meta". How does Koshi, someone who isn't a total newbie, actually find this a legitimate meta case, at all? Then, how does he get a town read on kush off a god awful "meta" case? Also, his continuous flipflop on his attitude towards me without any comment or reasoning is very scummy. + Show Spoiler + Here is an earlier mention of me by Koshi before I start arguing with Raynp On September 13 2013 23:21 Koshi wrote: PS: I am traveling home in 35 mins. Who would you like me to investigate? And should I give my opinion out the top of my head or read his filter? rayn tests so much fun! Note the attitude. Warm and friendly. Like I"m a town read to him Next post on me. Not calling me scum. Just telling me to move my vote off a town read (attitude that he thinks I'm town). On September 14 2013 01:53 Koshi wrote: Blubb and Papa_smurf might be scummers together. VA is town right guys? If we have a townread on him I might want to lynch blubbers. But if we are uncertain about VA I want to lynch SnB. Suddenly, I'm scum with blubbs for pushing and voting blubbs. An association case day 1, and a terrible one at that. On September 14 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote: PS: because VA has a good % on initial reads. But my own reads say SnB better than blubbers. Nobody is saving this blubbers guy or at least try to defend him. Or something. Another warm and friendly post against me, despite him thinking I'm scum On September 14 2013 05:24 Koshi wrote: I did answer. around 4th on my imaginary scumlist sounds ok for me at this moment. Suddenly, I'm his 4th scumread. When I ask him for reasoning, he refuses to give it (he still hasn't given any this game). On September 15 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote: yay Join us in the lynch Zealos/Pandain/OP/SnB train tomorrow! Not his attitude towards me in his post. "join us!". That's a very warm, inviting attitude, the type of attitude you have with a town read On September 15 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: Pandain recent posting kinda make me think he is town. So my scumteam is gone D: I believe Oats & kush that PS is scum. But I don't want to move off OP yet. This is Koshi's next mention of me. Suddenly, I'm scum despite the difference of attitude in the last post and no reasoning changing that attitude. This is similar to a case of scum forgetting who their "scumreads" are. I had a similar case to Adam10whatever in Hero Mini I believe. He kept accusing me of scum, yet his attitude said he thought I was town in multiple posts, leading to flipflopping and inconsistency in his read on me. Finally, something else I noticed On September 15 2013 22:50 Koshi wrote: Cool. Now there is a chance for BH to prove he is survivor. gogo proof the red smurf is an evil scummer! Why in the hell, if he thinks I am scum, is he waiting on proof from someone else that I am scum? Why does he not want to do any work to build his scumread? That's something scum do, not town. Koshi is scum. On September 15 2013 23:46 Koshi wrote: Its win-win tbh. If you are scum you are bussing the red hatted smurf. Now we just wait on OP. Another thing. A "PS is scum no matter what he thinks of Kush" post. How did he come to this conclusion? Why is he even admitting that he thinks kush could be scum and using that to justify his read on me if he thinks kush is so town and I am so scum? So 1) Koshi is constantly flipfloping with his attitude on me. He keeps saying I'm scum, yet talks to me like a town read (scum do that often because they have bias since they know who is town). 2) Koshi still has not offered his own case or reasoning on why I am scum 3) Koshi is waiting for other people to show I'm scum, rather than himself 4) Koshi finds kush town off an incredibly bad and misrepresentative meta cased that has 1 quote from 2 different games each, and thinks its a damning case against me. Koshi is scum | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:16 Koshi wrote: Also, 2)you might want to address Kush his first point he brings up against you. 1) After that case that Kush made vs you. Is he still a scummer? What, the point about "overly simplistic" cases and reads? I have proof from my last two games that that is how I roll as town, and fits what I'm doing here Likely. That's a horrendous case. It's totally misrepresents my play | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I like the wortd misrepresentive meta-case and how that makes kush scum. I remember someone thinking the opposite on last time when there was a misrepresentive meta-case. hmm.. and when was this? | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:19 Koshi wrote: !!! LOL. I'm an idiot. | ||
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Point one is weaker, but there still are a couple of quotes that show a friendly attitude towards me. Points 2-4 still stand | ||
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are u talking about SnB's case? Cuz you thought it was accurate | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: What does PS Stand for At the Bottom of a Letter? Answer At the bottom of a letter, you may see P.S, which stands for post-scriptum or post-script. This is a Latin term indicating something that is written after the script. It could be something which is an afterthought or something that was deliberately left off the main body of the letter. What is a meta-analysis? A meta-analysis is a type of research study in which the researcher compiles numerous previously published studies on a particular research question[/u] and re-analyzes the results to find the [u]general trend for results across the studies. Thought you could use this definition as well | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah it is accurate. And you doged the question about the fact in the case that is not accurate and you very well know it. Lol. Therefore the meta case itself was not misrepresentative. It was his use of the meta case that was. I showed that kush's actual meta case was misrepresentative, not just his use of it. | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:29 Koshi wrote: 2) I was on the wrong track. I thought others were scummers. 3) I can't help it others are so friendly that they pointed it out. 3b) I can't help it I am so friendly that I let OP prove you are scum so he can save himself. 4) That's how you read tha kushm4st3r To Quote Dandel Ion Who has pointed anything out that shows I'm scummy? Kush's meat case? That's dogshit | ||
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On August 29 2013 13:26 debears wrote: Also, a 95% town read is full retard early d1 is full retard as town. As scum, its dumb but it has motivations (avoid early conflict, make friend of someone who apparently is consider3d bad town). Vote scribs guise Oh look, an early strong town read from the person I voted on. did I do that this game? On August 30 2013 07:54 debears wrote: You do raise what seem like valid points on Hopeless. I'm sticking with Syl since I've actually read his stuff. The one thing about Onegu is that he makes that summary post for his first post, which is fine. Yet, he doesn't hit the main events. It seems to me like he was nitpicking stuff he could just easily chime in about without further exploring. On the other side, his location makes it hard to communicate. And apparently he does this most games. -.- I would think one of Onegu/Syl is scum. Oh wow. Two lurkers are two of my main suspects d1. Overly simplistic reads. Were both of those guys scum in desert? On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote: ##Nirvana Stirke: ObviousOne This guys is the scum. Lynching for "functionality" and not scum Oh look, overly simplistic read. Was this guy scum? | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:36 Koshi wrote: Oats, rayn and Kush have been on your ass. Maybe not in big shiny cases. But now that Pandain isn't scum or at least high on my scumlist, you just are. I am sorry. No need to be mad. But if you are going to yell I am scum and Kush is scum. I am going to think you are scum :D You will get lynched long before I do. | ||
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why didnt kush use my two last town games for his meta case? I took a 3 month break from mafia, so my play could have changed. Did they not fit into his "meta" case, so he just ignored them? Why would he do that? | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:44 kushm4sta wrote: rofl ps so mad now. i used the latest towngame that was on your profile that's why. but yeah this is what it looks like when a scum panics. about to defend my metacase hold on k I'll wait for this. How long is this gonna take, I'm gonna chill out for while and watch some foosball (go chiefs!!) | ||
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What games have ever had two 3p in a 15 player game What games haven't Then do the percentages. I'd love to know | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: golden sun is a game with a lot of lone wolves and rouges of that nature. It fits the game and his role PM looked very convincing. Idk why you would ever ask the hosts for a survivor role PM to fake when that role is usually lynched on sight by every town. I don't see him flipping scum. what of "the captain" I could only find one reference of someone being a captain of the ship. Nowhere does it say he was called "the captain" riggs was presumably born and raised in Champa. In his early life he is described as formerly being a real brat, but in the present age he has become a swarthy middle-aged man who was eventually recognized as the greatest of Champa's sailors, so he was subsequently named the captain of the sailors of Champa. He is also described as having "never been sick a day of his life." While he is recognized as tough and boasts of it, Briggs is also very insecure around those even more powerful than himself, instinctively running away from someone who defeats him in battle. I couldn't find karagol anywhere in the wiki entry, which was the sea referenced that "the captain" sailed in. | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, you are wrong. SnB expecially said "as town rayn pushes important matters". Why don't you look at my last three town games (not Aperture - because i did not have time to play properly so i didn't do much anything), and tell me straight to my face this comment of SnB's is accurate. I even know myself he is worng, the matters i have pushed, especially on D1's, were not important. How does SnB know what i have pushed this game was not important? At that point i had ONLY pushed a guy who is either third party or scum and things regarding him, that was not important, let's say compared to people who pushed blubbers for no fucking reason? There was never a case on blubbers, not a single case, people just voted for him because they were afraid of pushing their own cases or they were sheeps. On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good. However, what's wrong in that post is: 1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post? 2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck. 3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. How do you now find it an inaccurate meta read, when you said it was fucking accurate earlier | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:05 Grackaroni wrote: @koshi why switch off BH now. Kush and oats i could see switching but this surprises me. BH is absolutely the correct lynch for he day. Why risk hitting town when we can hit a confirmed anti-town player? BH's breadcrumb wasn't good and the chances of 2 survivors is very low. Also Oats, I don't agree with your characterization of BH's scum play. From what I remember BH as scum is unable to keep up the activity he has as town and has a hard time faking the aggression as well. Grack awesome. What do you think of kush's meta case on me, the sudden push on me, and my case on koshi gogogogogo. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because there are only slight differences in my scum/town play, and the conclusion "rayn is hard to read" is a reasonable conclusion. I didn't read that post with full concentration at that time. I only noticed something is fucking off in that post and only later analyzed it better. Why are you again dodging answering me and comign up with something entirely different? Can you just fucking answer my post and not flip-flop around it? This is the very reason why you are on my ignore list. Anyways, you were going on about insignificant stuff/stuff that you shouldn't + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears could be scum. All he did was to enter an argument with Vayne that honestly was crap. There was also nothing to achieve from that argument in the first place.. That's weird, cuz I did the same thing in desert (arguing and voting someone who had a strong town read early d1), and you didn't find me scum there solely because of that. On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually. Explain to me how i messed up the game and how you come to a conclusion i should be policy lynched if i fakeclaim? Also why can't i fakeclaim as scum, as your post suggests that you know i am town already (read the policy-word)? See, everyone goes on about how I started the shitfest between us. You did by questioning my policy lynch. On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: <3 Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego* shoving your dick in sn0's face for now reason. On September 13 2013 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify? arguing with sn0 over a "meta tell" that had no evidence behind it and wasn't seriously considered by anyone else to be true. On September 13 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP? On September 13 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: And Pandain's thread entry was not awful, I FUCKING POINTED OUT ALREADY WHY OP'S THREAD ENTRY WAS 100x WORSE THAN PANDAIN"S!!! What did people do, oh right! THEY FUCKED OFF! constantly going on about "OP scummier than Panduin". Same points every time. Refusing to listen to other people. On September 13 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, if you have followed any games here in the last year or smth, you'd notice this: Someone claims blue. Everyone yells; "WHERE IS YOUR BREADCRUMB???? NO BREADCRUMB, YOU ARE SCUM!!" Breadcrumbs are dumb, it's your actions throughout the game that tell if you are what you claim you are. People are shit in that regards. Just a warning. ^^ Making a huge deal on breadcrumbs (I still wonder who told you that breadcrumbs are totally useless) On September 13 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME? Like this one is probably the worst Besides, I don't get how you don't understand the main reason why I didn't listen your your SnB stuff was that you suddenly flipflopped on him after calling him town earliier and defending vaynes early game strong town read. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. 2 more quotes from THIS GAME. WOW ' THAT'S GREAT ADDED META ANALYSIS. 2 more quotes from this game. wow. Not from my games where you would get a meta read. look at the red 1) "There are more still" implies he has already found more quotes from other games. Why did he not post them? "he's lazy and tired"? All he has to do is quote them. Kush is lying 2) Why has kush still not shown any of the above tells as trends in all my games? He has 2 quotes from two other games, which do not in any way indicate a trend when I have so kindly provided multiple quotes from 3 other games of mine. It's because he can't. 3) Why is kush so eager to lynch me over SnB, who should be the obvious lynch in a 15 player game with another survivor already flipped? | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you. show me a game where I'm not a dick at all at any point. It's your meta case. You do it. | ||
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On September 16 2013 03:57 kushm4sta wrote: Do what? I cant find a town game where you act like a dick to someone because there isn't one. That is my point. What is your most recent scumgame? the one in my profile | ||
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Is it a new acceptable thing for players to say, "do a case on X, but I'm never going to do one on my own"? | ||
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The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:41 VayneAuthority wrote: well i've been saying they are both scummy for a while now and ive played multiple times with both of them. at least one is scum im sure of that. rayn would surprisingly be this bad as town, and when koshi looks good he is usually scum. So im having trouble deciding if they are just both scum or I just WANT them to be both scum. I just can't wrap my head around koshi consistently saying I'm scummy, yet never wanting to do a case despite me asking him multiple times and him asking everyone else to. Raynp I think is more likely to be the town if only 1 was town. | ||
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On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? Did I ask you for one? | ||
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On September 16 2013 10:34 strongandbig wrote: so that means grack is like modconfirmed town right He's confirmed anyways. His play has looked townie as shit anyways. Although that fucking claim was bad grack. You are better than that. If you thought you were shot, why would you give the mafia extra info? They would've been thinking doc over vet man. That's if they even hit you. Anyways Koshi's "plan" is freaking dumb. It doesn't make sense. If this was his plan.... On September 16 2013 08:17 Koshi wrote: And no the information isn't useful. The fucking reason why I am on PS and not on OP is because I want to promote discussion and not let 48 hours go to waste because every fucker in here is voting on OP. Why did he post this about kush's terrible case? On September 15 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote: Kush so town. On September 15 2013 23:46 Koshi wrote: Its win-win tbh. If you are scum you are bussing the red hatted smurf. Now we just wait on OP. There's a difference of pressuring for information, and just stirring up shit. The above "plan" by koshi was just that, stirring up shit. I don't see how he planned to try to convince people to vote me, support bad cases, and not use his own case to pressure me, to just "get a read on me". And, after that, vote BH and convince anyone on my wagon to. I believe Koshi is lying What kind of town tries to form a legit wagon on me just to "promote discussion" despite a locked in lynch? That's really the right way to go? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Must Resist Killing Grack I don't really understand why you unfakeclaimed or what you hoped to accomplish by any of those actions. Don't bother explaining. No explanation can explain that other than "I was high as shit". Do not read this second spoiler unless you want to see me rage some + Show Spoiler + Honestly, I'm done playing for a while with this playerbase after this game. Absolutely ridiculous. Whatever happened to the days where 1) People made cases 2) The accusees counter those cases 3) Everyone else got a read of the above 4) People do vote anaylsis at the end of each day Like, honestly, I saw better play in my newbies than this fucking game | ||
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On September 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: So if BH flips none-scum, am I scummier for being correct rayn? I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. Huh? Did oats suddenly get replaced? | ||
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On September 16 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not sure about Pandain is because on D1 he changed his reads all over the place for no apparent reasoning. I mean, he called Koshi/Grack scum at some point, then on N1 they were suddenly town for "look at their filters". I think that can come from townie too, but why did he not realize that earlier? The only read for him that remains "static" is kush, and i think he is wrong in that read. I like him realizing Vayne is probably scum. Do you agree with me that at least one of Zealos/Snodude/Umasi is scum? Changing reads constantly on d1 is usually morr indicative of town. Its hard to figure out solid reads with so little information | ||
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On September 16 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i know. It's the reasoning that bothers me (or rather, the lack of it). I'm not too bothered about Pandain atm, if he is town he'll probably get killed at some point. What do you think of my other reads? You can ignore my read on you as it should get better when you contribute to other reads / make your own when you do so. The main thing I need to address is vayne. did you look ay the string of posts early game rigbt after he found out as debears? The posts screamed town to me. Thats the reason for the slight town read. anyways everyone else is same old. Lack of activity going around. nothing new to really say. | ||
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On September 16 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears, about what we talked about vayne. This is what i mean; When he found out you are debears, he got at least a slight scum read on you right? What happens after this. He does never, after that, address you in any way in any of his posts. He does not try to find out if you in fact are scum or not although he thought your meta-read on him was bad. Does that not ring any alarm bells to you? Actually, if you look at the game after that argument with you, vayne does not try to find out whho is mafia, at all. He just picks some comments and says some people are scum because of them. He is not trying to figure out the game, he is posting stuff based on what happens in thread. His conclusions arn't even good. While I cant deny vayne has not looked t9wn recrntly. Why should I lynch him (in whom I see something screaming town) over the lurkers (im whom I see absolutely nothing screaming town. also, do you think kush is town still? I believe you said his case on me wasnt great. Does that case on me reflect his play in persona? Does kush having only one actual read, and a bad case on that read, reflect his play in persona at this point in the game? | ||
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On September 17 2013 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: debears, i mean you are the one who remembers your games the best. Maybe kushmasta is right and you don't get mad as town. Maybe he is wrong, but i actually think it's kinda ridiculous to ask him to quote all your town games ever and say "see, there is nowhere to be found you get mad as town". You can easily do that, you just have to find one thing, and if you are town you should do so, because that makes kushmasta to look elsewhere. In case he is scum he might fuck up or continue the tunnel on you for no reason. In case he is town he will try to prove that in other ways (attacking other people). At this point his tunnel feels justified to me. The funny thing is in Mario mini I exploded on hapa when he wouldnt give me a meta read when I asked, an actual case when he asked. I was a dick to/lectured hopeless multiple times. And I already included quotes for that game. In fact, town almost lynched me for being emotional. Hopeless was all over me for being dickish to him Notice how kush had to "change" his case when I had disproved it. Thens he says "oh nvm you arent a dick as town. That shows mr his is trying to fit his arguments tor his read, note the other way around, which means hes not actually trying to figure me out. not to mention he has not shown how my play thisbgame is scummy in itself | ||
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On September 17 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote: You know, this is the first time Rayn is concerned with someone making a bad case. Ive never seen it before. he might be actually learning how to play. That's my theory, anyhow | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:04 kushm4sta wrote: My case was amazing and right. Completely different attitude as scum. Show me debears insulting someone as town. My reads right now are panda grack debears. It's just I have not written a case on the other two. This is scum kush right here. "My case is so right". Then picking 2 of the towniest players in the thread, and one that is considered town by about half the thread as the scumteam. Yeah right. Kush, there's a reason why no one has ever made a meta case on me. Because I play the same as either alignment. The fact that are building your case around your read and not your read around your case is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: 1) also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. 2) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): already have disproved 1) and 2a) On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: 3) As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ 4) Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. 5) You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ 6) Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: 7) @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you. 1) Already show how I have simplistic reads that are very successful (especially lately) 2) Funny thing is, if you look at desert postgame. I was bitching at raynp there after I stopped here. It's non alignment indicative. I even said don't consider it as part of my filter I'm pretty sure. 3) is definitely misconstrusing my contributions this game. 1st, there is/was no reason to wifom about the WoS nk. It should be pretty clear that scum would not shoot him. Scum's goal is to get rid of the towniest players. WoS was not a "towniest" player. Also, if things like these were my only contributions, then you'd have something. You are cherrypicking 1 quote and ignoring the cases in my filter. 5) Repeating the points in 2 4 and 6) These points are both bullshit, and totally misrepresent my meta, because you should have read Mario mini's day 1 if you want to know my meta when I'm like this. I freak out over stupidity and bad cases on me. Yours is that. I did in in MM, and I'm doing it here, because I think you aren't that fucking bad as town to come up with such a horrible misrepresentative case. 7) Now he comes up with "oh debears is a dick as scum" after I purge his "emotional" tell. And you know what? He hasn't shown any quotes from my scum game of me being a pure dick. I'd love to see that. Kush claimed to have read my games, yet his failure to recognize the similar circumstances between this game and mario mini (day 1) are amazingly unacceptable. That means he didn't read my games. He skimmed and cherrypicked. | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's because i have been trying to figure out wtf is with that case from both sides of the argument.. My D1 play somehow always ends up being a clusterfuck whether or not i am right on my top scumread. It always happens, people (scum or town) find some reason to not lynch someone i want to and some fucking lurker is gonna get lynched and they always turn up town. I dunno, i just can't help it.. :/ Eh I have some interesting stuff from you in postgame about the current scum trends that I'm seeing (even in the all star mafia game that marv is in). And the general town trends | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:36 Old Partner wrote: Can I hear it now? I don't want to wait ;_; PM me when you are dead and I will reveal all in terms of the mafia trends :D | ||
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Can't be giving away my reading methods in the middle of the game. There are still people who fit the criteria | ||
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You guys take this "bussing" read wayyyy to seriously | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:50 Papa_Smurf wrote: You guys take this "bussing" read wayyyy to seriously Like it's the same thing as saying "debears never busses his scumbuddies". It may be true. But, I know that it's true and I'm saving it so I can suddenly change it one game and solo win to vicory | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:49 Old Partner wrote: You know Rayn after this game I officially cede title of "most full of self" to you beagh i can't even insult or spam well my heart isn't in it any more Draw us a sweet MS paint picture then | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:53 Old Partner wrote: incoming Zealos sn0_man Umasi kush scumteam you're on the right track. There be 1 active skum though I think | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/33krcqr.jpg) That's copyright infringement | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(2): Pandain(0): Old Partner(4): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(5): VayneAuthority, Zealos(4): raynpelikoneet(0): blubbdavid has been lynched! On September 15 2013 07:11 Pandain wrote: ##Vote Old Partner bolded are confirmed/almost confirmed. Colored are slight/likely One thing I would like to note about Pandain's vote. Pandain tried to vote zealos or blubb, essentially to save OP as admitted. But, notice how quickly he voted for OP the next day. First vote. Now, based on BH's actions this last day, the scum very likely planned the bus on BH after the last second vote swap. The best way to go about it from a mafia perspective is to bus, and bus hard. The vote switch to zealos from blobb by Pandain would also make sense in that, if him and OP were on zealos's lynch, and zealos is town, then being grouped on a townie lynch would look really bad as a scumteam. This brings me back to suspicion on Pandain. VA's plopped vote on Blubb all day is looking much more suspicious, along with his recent lack of contributions. OP's vote on zealos almost makes me think Zealos is town. | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:06 kushm4sta wrote: im dying to know why ps thikns grack is slight town, even though his move to zealos saved OP. The thing is, you have to differentiate between all those votes Pandain, Grack, and SnB all had questionable voteswitches close to deadline. I think Pandian is the most likely scum switch based on the switch and the instant vote on OP the next day. VA, you, Koshi and Snow all had votes on a confirmed town to end out the day. Within those 7 votes is the last 2/3 scum, depending on the whether BH's role pm flavor is actually indicative of the number of scum. Based on play, Pandain is the most supspicious of the top 3. Grack is the least suspicious out of the top 3. Based on play, VA is the most suspicious of the bottom 4. If Pandain is scum, you are the least likely out of the bottom 4. Otherwise, I'd say Koshi is probably the least suspicious right now (despite yesterday's antics but I'll have to rethink this). | ||
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On September 17 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, your D2 posts consist of pushing me (confirmed town) and questioning BH (that's shit). You are scum. EZPZ! Rayne this is terrible thinking. Why wouldn't kush oats and koshi be scum on me then for actually trying to start a wagon on me over BH then d2? | ||
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read my post again. then read my read on grack this whole game | ||
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The way BH was acting all day was in a given up attitude. He had no intention of actually trying to get out of getting lynched. It's very likely scum bussed him hard and immediately for some town cred. Keep that in mind | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:08 Umasi wrote: hm~night ends in about an hour or so, presumably the actions are locked I'm masoner, and for the d2 n2 cycle I masoned Pandain. I'm masoning (you'll find out who) d3 n3 cycle. I'm afk for a while now. I'm assuming you think Pandain is scum? | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(2): Pandain(0): Old Partner(4): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(5): VayneAuthority, Zealos(4): raynpelikoneet(0): blubbdavid has been lynched! Ok. So, now with 2 more flips, I feel like my reads are starting to fill out. 1) Upon second look at Pandain and raypne's filter, I'd put them at the same level of town read. Pandains vote swap was weird, but I'd say his play overall looks town plain and simple. 2) Umasi looks town from his vote on OP day 1. Also, due to the fact he is a mason. I have not seen anyone else claiming they are a mason. With only 1 mason in game, it's more likely than not that Umasi is a town mason. His d1 pick on Pandain seemed sensible. I still have to read the logs. 3) I've thought Grack has looked town pretty much all game. His veteran claim stuff was just kinda stupid, and it put a spotlight on him that he didn't really need on him. That leaves the following: Oats - I think he's town (he could possibly be SK, but least likely of everyone, and scum are our concern anyhow)/ Vayne Sn0 Kush Zealos Order of lynch preference kush - I think he's scum. His scumteam call n2 was me/grack/panda. I think grack and panda are town. A scumteam on three of the most active players (one of whom is confirmed town to me and the other two likely town)? Not to mention he hasn't given reasoning on grack and panda, and he keeps claiming I never refuted his case. Kush voted blubb d1. He tried to start a wagon on me over BH day 2. Sn0/VA - I'll look at this one more closely as the day goes on Zealos - The dude is most likely the SK. OP's vote on him would be weird is zealos is scum. That means that scum OP would want to bus his partner d1 when a townie (blubb) was right with them in votes. Bussing day1 is extremely unnecessary d1 unless there's a major scumslip/scumcatch. Zealos wasn't considered that. Thus, I would think scum would put zealos and blubb up there as the main lynches, thinking they were both town. Due to the fact that zealos hasn't given a shit all game, he looks sk. I don't want to lynch a sk read over scum right at this moment I can't believe I keep posting this crap in the voting thread....megafails | ||
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On September 18 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: Wow im sorry me for doubting myself for a second there! debers is sk grack and panda are scummrs On September 18 2013 08:32 kushm4sta wrote: i have plenty of reasoning for grack and panda they just haven't been compiled in a formal case yet. grack is confirmed town??? no just no. scummy as fuck that im your biggest scumread. Especially since you know my scumgame quite well. You were on a scumteam with me as your first game. Remember that? flawless victory. good times. now we are on separate teams though so you must die. So I'm SK and scum? Interesting. you seem to be forgetting what your read is on me. | ||
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This was from an earlier post of mine. I'm not sure if you saw it. Take a look. Zealos - The dude is most likely the SK. OP's vote on him would be weird is zealos is scum. That means that scum OP would want to bus his partner d1 when a townie (blubb) was right with them in votes. Bussing day1 is extremely unnecessary d1 unless there's a major scumslip/scumcatch. Zealos wasn't considered that. Thus, I would think scum would put zealos and blubb up there as the main lynches, thinking they were both town. | ||
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if you agree with this, we should go for scum (kush) | ||
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In reference to the above post of mine on zealos, in the case that you agree with my zealos read Do we want to 1) Lynch a scum with disruptive thread presence (Kush) or 2) Lynch a sk/possible scum with no thread presence in a possible attempt to reduce kp if he is sk (zealos) | ||
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Assuming that the "good" (I think experienced is a better word since good is game by game) are not on the same side is a very dangerous line to walk. It may be the case this game, but not every game. also, assuming that the sk is one of the more experienced is 3p is wromg. Once you get into vet games the skill differencr isnt that great overall. | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears talk with me okay? What do you think about the post i wrote about N1 reactions to BH's claim? Ignore kush talking about you being SK, what do you make of the argument between me and him? Kush has been shitting up the thread, especially since n2. Umasi and I have talked about it, hence umasi switching to kush ill keep saying this: kush is very likely scum | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you are right. I was trying to put myself into scum shoes on D1. I would never ever let D1 end + N1 happen as it did. Actually kush has some good points against Pandain & Grack. There are some seriously weird stuff they did on D1 end and on N1. I can even explain Grack's fakeclaim from mafia!pov but for this to hold water Vayne has to be scum. How about Vayne/Grack for scum, Pandain as SK? Funny thing is, if grack is scum, wouldnt kush be scum for bussing him? I can see vayne as scum. pandain as sk is possible, I would definitely label him as not scum | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19732241 Look at the timing on the vote. Grack was one the second person on the OP wagon, and WoS backed out 4 hours later. Grack led the wagon. why would he think the wagon is scum led if he was the first person (as town) to place his vote on OP? I'm still on the fence with this one. But, as town, I would think that you would not find your own wagon "scum led" if you have any kind of confidence in your abilities. I still would like to lynch kush the most. zealos is second right now. I'm warming up to a grack lynch though | ||
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zealos then grack | ||
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He is very likely serial killer. Will post reasoning later. Based on his d1 votes and timing of those votes. His voting makes no sense from town or scum perspective. Join the love train | ||
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On September 19 2013 04:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Okay dibbers, Zealos is the SK (I'm not disagreeing or agreeing right now). Who is scum? We scratched kush off your list, leaving Grack. Theres at least one more no? Kush is still scum. No wants wants to lynch him. anyways grack would fit with him. Va possibly could. Sn0 could. | ||
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basically his play overall and how he relates to you. I only see him being scum if you are scum(or sk). I dont see either of those right now | ||
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On September 19 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Uhh.. how does he exactly relate to me? I can't understand a thing you say.. If you look at d1 with your interactions, you could see how you two interact with the thread that would make you both seem town. If you weren't town, the interaction (OP scummier than Pandain stuff) would mean you are both scum (or one scum one sk). As I said, I think you are both town, so doesn't really matter | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't give a fuck about SK now. tbh if i want to lynch SK i want to lynch you over Zealos. You fit the profile far more than Zealos does. Why can't people understand? If we lynch town we probably lose the game. Zealos is not sure to be SK. Why the fuck is everyone i think is anti-town hunting for SK and not scum? It must be because they are anti-town! <3 Hey, I already tried rallying a kush lynch for 3 days. No bites. Not much I can do with that | ||
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The Story of Zealos, The Lone Ranger Debears, esquire Alright, let me start by a basic rundown of standard SK traits (3p in general even). 1) Does not honestly care who gets lynched as long the lynch maintains a balance, and as long it is not the SK himself 2) Wants to maintain a balance of town and scum 3) Traditionally puts no weight into the d1 lynch (becuase the game is "even" at that point) 4) Wants to avoid putting himself out there as a mafia target, while keeping town off of him 5) Wants to target people different from the mafia's targets while keeping people who look scummier than him 6) Want to target people who are suspicious of him Ok. Based off these rules, let's look at Zealos's play, specifically during d1. 1) Zealos's voting trends A) The early/mid day 1 Zealos's voting and reasoning points specifically that he didn't care about any lynch. First Vote - SNB + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote: ##Vote: strongandbig On September 13 2013 22:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(3): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(1): kushm4sta Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(3): Papa_Smurf, Pandain, Old Partner Pandain(0): Old Partner(1): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(3): VayneAuthority, Currently, kushm4sta is set to be lynched (hit 3 first, after blubbdavid went down to 2 again, before coming back up)! Remember, voting is mandatory! Not voting(2): strongandbig, Onegu Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) What I would like to point out is, that, at this point, Zealos's vote wasn't damning on anyone. It was a vote that really didn't matter. Regardless of SNB having a third vote, he was still behind two others as the main lynch candidate (in terms of timing of the third vote). What was his reasoning and how did he push the SNB lynch? + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote: I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point. I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed. Zealos's main problem with SNB was his "misrepresentation" of Raynp's meta, which we later pointed out wasn't as big of a deal as Raynp thought. Did Zealos provide new reasoning? No. Did Zealos keep pushing immediately after? No. Those two things show Zealos didn't actually care about gettin SNB lynched, because he would have done it when SNB was a main object of discussion in the thread. After voting for SNB, Zealos later rescinds his scumread On September 14 2013 06:23 Zealos wrote: Rayns mad was making a decent case. SnB is complaining about nitpicking, which in itself is nickpicky. I dunno, it's not a scumread, I just think SnB is half tunnelling Rayn for no good reason. In this, notice Zealos never actually tried to figure out himself whether SNB was scum or town, he just nonchalantly removes his read. B) The Transition Next, Zealos transitions to a vote on Kush once the SNB wagon loses steam. Yet, despite unvoting SNB, he keeps pushing an SNB scumread (after, as pointed out above, that he said SNB wasn't a scumread). + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 06:34 Zealos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Kush On September 14 2013 05:54 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(1): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(3): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Notice, he bailed the SNB wagon shortly after Raynp and Koshi got off it. That tells me he was trying not to stick out, and instead blend in. Meanwhile, look at Zealos's reasoning in thread + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 06:34 Zealos wrote: Pandain seems town, so I guess I trust you. Whatever :3 ##Vote: Kush Ok, use pandain as your reasoning for unvoting. Blending in. On September 14 2013 06:42 Zealos wrote: I still think this guy is scum. He's flipping from person to person who he feels are easy targets. If you're gonna write lots, at least try to look like you're being useful~ Shortly after, when his vote is off SNB, he still calls SNB scum. So, he doesn't want to poke his neck out and push his scumread. Definition of blending in and keeping off the radar. C) The Events Leading up to Lynch ************Most important point So, Zealos has been blending in the whole day up to this point. What does he do now? He pushes someone close to lynch that doesn't have votes. Also, he doesn't actually comment on any of the actual lynch candidates himself. + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 06:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(4): Pandain(0): Old Partner(6): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(4): VayneAuthority, Zealos(1): raynpelikoneet(0): Currently Old Partner is set to be lynched! Remember, voting is mandatory! Next deadline: Deadline date: Friday, Sep 13 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Look at the votecount. SNB has no votes. Zealos has a vote on Kush (who is also another lynch with no momentum). What is zealos saying in thread? + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2013 06:56 Zealos wrote: I like how Pandain is making points to try and make a lynch happen. Then you get SnB: Post about SNB. Another SNB comment. On September 14 2013 06:57 Zealos wrote: Anyway strong, if you think we shouldn't vote OP, why don't /you/ vote /kush/ Another soft push on a non main candidate. On September 14 2013 06:59 Zealos wrote: Not really time now, but look at my filter and see the amount of time as town I get mislynched after a massive wagon with me trying to tell people that I'm town. I'm pretty sure most times I get lynched as mafia I go out in a blaze of fury. See: My bus versus a teammate in some game a while ago. So he comes back right before lynch, when there is a hard time of determining who is actually getting lynched with lack of votecounts (as shown by Pandain). Ok. This is the main thing that makes me think he is SK. When he didn't post in the thread at 15 minutes before lynch, he was comfortable. One vote on him. Not any serious talk. Suddenly, at 8 minutes he gets a second vote from Grack. Not a big deal, considering blubb had 4, kush had 4, and OP had 5. Then, suddenly at 3 minutes before lynch, votes swap to Zealos. Zealos was posting in thread. What was his reaction? In the quotes shown above, he kept weakly pushing 2 of the weaker lynch candidates. He didn't go crazy trying to save himself. He didn't vote for someone that would save himself. Now think about this situation from the 3 perspectives 1) Town - Chances are you would be following the thread and trying to actually convince people to not vote you and jump on a wagon that would save you. You wouldn't care if that puts you in a spotlight, because you know you are town, and you don't know who else is. 2) Scum - Chances are you would be following thread while posting in the qt. Regardless, you and your team would want you to save yourself and your scumbuddy in OP, and you would know where you lie in votes. If you take a little fire from others, you play the town trying to save yourself as your only confirmed town read. 3) SK - After seeing 3 others with 3 or more votes than you, you would relax. You don't care who gets lynched of the three. You peace out and stop paying attention to the thread. Suddenly, when you come back a few minutes before lynch, you scramble to see where that puts you. With the confusion, you don't want to suddenly vote someone you think might be town, or else that puts you in the spotlight the next day with a last second voteswitch because you would have no backup and know you aren't being truthful. Also, you'd have to deal with pressure the rest of the game. Zealos's unwillingness to push main candidates, or save himself from being lynched, make NO sense from a town or mafia perspective. It does make sense from a comfortable SK perspective. 2) His Reacion to BH's Survivor Claim before the WoS Flip This point has already been brought up, but it is very good. On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote: I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it? ##Predayvote:OP vigipls If you look at Zealos's posts around this time, all of them revolve around doubt of BH's claim before the WoS flip. One 3p is pretty reasonable in any 12 or 15 player game. Yet, he is very doubtful of a surivovr claim very early on. Why is that? 1) Town - you don't see 3p claims as realistic in a 12 or 15 player setup. 2) Scum - you wonder if he actually is survivor, or some other 3p (sk), or maybe just a blue disguising himself (very unlikely). 3) SK - two 3p in a 15 player game are super unlikely. You think "this guy be scum doh" as a reaction and subconciously doubt the claim quite a bit immediately. While scum do have a sensible reason of being suspicious of the claim, town don't, and the SK's reason for doubt is very strong. The SK is by far the most likely to doubt the claim (especially considering the d1 lynch was town, he would want scum lynched the next day). 3) Zealos's interesting choice of votes day 2 So, despite being super doubtful of BH's survivor claim in the night, when day comes, Zealos switches all his focus to SNB, his main accuser. Literally, SNB was on Zealos's dick the whole game, and Zealos kept wanting SNB lynched. What does this show? Zealos is basing his priorities for lynch on his own problems. He already know OP was scum (or very likely scum). He didn't need OP killed right away. SNB, on the other hand, was a nuisance for him. Here are some of Zealo's posts + Show Spoiler + On September 16 2013 20:23 Zealos wrote: From what I remember, SnB. He seems very keen to tunnel and not really contribute new ideas, rather hiding in old ones. I'll have to give a lot more reasoning and get some other scumreads when I get home, but SnB just seems very off to me. On September 17 2013 03:04 Zealos wrote: ##Vote: Old Partner FYI On September 17 2013 17:23 Zealos wrote: Still not a fan of SnB. Even now all he's talking about is me. I was also gonna say that I am fairly sure that Umasi is town. Then I saw his cases on me and he's either well meaning but a little off the mark, of looking for a totally irrelevant lynch to avoid one of his mafia teammates dying. I haven't decided yet. Talk about SNB>Vote OP> Continue talking about SNB. 4) Zealos's reactions after the nk on SNB and going into day 3 On September 18 2013 18:04 Zealos wrote: Hmm. First thoughts on the night kill on SnB seems that it makes it too easy to try to get me lynched. Prove he's a townie, then I look bad for pushing him as Scum... What does this quote reveal? Zealos is thinking of his defense before any accuses him. He has a guilty conscience, and he points out how other people would accuse him for scum. Also, his reasoning would be bad if he was town for thinking people would think he's scum. Seriously, look at the thread from the daypost all the way to this quote (quote is around page 145). No one actually says "oh zealos scum since SNB was killed". It's incredibly odd that Zealos would bring up such a thing that demonstrates a guilty conscience as town or scum. It would make sense as a SK though. Finally, what have Zealos's posts and involvement been looking like when he is suddenly the main lynch candidate? On September 19 2013 03:05 Zealos wrote: I'm gonna assume the mason claim is legit for now. Based on the QT, Pan looks pretty town too. This leaves: kushm4sta VayneAuthority Oatsmaster raynpelikoneet Grackaroni Papa_Smurf Sn0_Man I don't think kush is scum. He has been actively hunting all game, including calling me reasonably town. I know myself that I am town, so he hasn't tried to push a mislynch on me. Leaving: VayneAuthority Oatsmaster raynpelikoneet Grackaroni Papa_Smurf Sn0_Man I'm not so much of a fan of rayn anymore. On page 23 for example he goes from voting for me in one post, to calling me town in the next. Hmm. He throws accusations everywhere. Will post more after eating. Wow. Zealos post with more than four lines of his own wording. No definite reads. Just a "look at these guys" post. He's attempting to deflect attention from himself. Summary If you read closely at this case, and at zealos's votes and posting in thread, you can see he does not have a real mafia agenda because he straight up hasn't been involved. However, he has kept up with the thread. Yet, he doesn't post actual reads. His only posting was on "SNB so scum" all day1 and day 2. Also, SNB was killed night 2, and it wasn't by scum (or at least very very very unlikely). The only way the nk wasn't zealos was if someone else, if zealos wasn't sk, was trying to set him up. If that is the case, these things pop in my head. 1) A SK wants to keep people scummier than him around. Why would a SK try to frame Zealos, who has been a discussion of lynch since day 1? The only way for a SK to win is to outlive everyone. A SK has a hard time doing that if all the very townie looking people are still around. 2) A SK wants to keep people who are suspicious of him off himself. Why wouldn't the SK try for someone who actually was onto him to some degree (not that a large majority of SNB's posting was directed at a Zealos scumread). After looking at this case. I would say zealos is 90% likely to flip SK. 8% to flip town. and 2% to flip scum Zealos is SK | ||
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The reason why Umasi and I and Pandain are voting with each other is from the mason talks. Umasi and I both think Pandain is town based on mason chats and overall play. Umasi and I have talked it over a few times, and we feel zealos is the best lynch. We both think (or at least thought) that kush is scum and was the best lynch earlier. With lack of support, we decided to move towards zealos, since he is most likely SK. Considering that Pandain agrees, we are very strongly on the zealos lynch. We do admit there is some stuff going on with Grack, but not enough to overrule a zealos lynch | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: These people, Pandain, Grackaroni and debears. They are not trying to find mafia. They are trying to find the SK. They are fucking making cases why someone is SK! They are not questioning anyone, they are not making cases against scum. They are making cases against SK!Zealos. If Zealos flips town there is no fucking way town is going to win this game! just saying. this is fucked up. You should understand at this point Raynp. Here are the scenarios 1) Zealos flips town. The Sk would be looking to kill a mafia tonight. Zealos is eliminated from the pool of mafia players, making it easier for the sk to hit mafia 2) Zealos flips SK. We slow the game down by lowering the kp. There are only two scum left and there are bound to be associations around. 3) Zealos is scum. There are still 2 kp, but we have a better idea of who is the final scum. The SK will be a slight problem, but with only 1 mafia it makes it much easier for us | ||
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On September 19 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears i am going to tell you now something. IF you somehow manage to lynch Zealos and he flips town you'll get 100% lynched the next day. Then get on the zealos lynch. You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to look at this more closely tomorrow. I am fucking tired. At first glance you have some good points and some points that are not so good. Ignore the "bad" parts and jump for joy at the good ones | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: Why would you need to give an excuse for all being on the same wagon as town?? This is REALLY scummy. SCUMSLIP. HE'S BEEN CALLING PANDAIN SCUM YET JUST GENERALIZED PANDAIN AS TOWN WHEN TALKING ABOUT MY READS, WHICH AGREE WITH PANDAINS DINGDINGDINGDING | ||
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Sn0's transition of a strong town read on me to a strong scumread doesn't make sense. Sn0 has been under the radar this whole game Sn0 voted blubb d1 with little reasoning and didn't expand on that reasoning, while talking about everyone else On September 18 2013 02:32 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, i promise I'll keep an open mind when I start re-reading players D3 but i've had dibbers down as town pretty much all game. Grack too. Vayne for SK if there is one. Unsure of that tho. Ok. So sn0 has been repeatedly saying I'm very town this game. On September 19 2013 02:01 Sn0_Man wrote: I have a post from dibber's day 1 filter that bears re-reading. This post looks veeeeery interesting in light of current events. Admittedly its not fair to snipe stuff like this but every one of his "lets look into" players are not scum. Admittedly some potential 3rd party but how would he know? Rereads my filter. Points out one post and only one post, suddenly super suspicious of me. Even admits "it's not fair" to nitpick one post from my filter. On September 19 2013 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote: Kush ain't scum bros have you guys reread any of the game? I want dibbers to come in and talk. Preferably scumhunt. And tell me who the SK is cuz i sure dunno. So I've made it clear who my #1 scumread is all game, and I haven't scumhunted. Ok. He asks me to find the SK (Not that I was doing it for him). On September 19 2013 02:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Lynching SK effectively halves the anti-town KP since town is far enough ahead this game (due to 15 player 3 scum setup) that SK will be hitting town as much as possible. Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2 Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2. Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony. Keeps advocating a SK lynch On September 19 2013 23:15 Sn0_Man wrote: I'd be OK with this. Zealos SK tho. We have like 8 hours team lets figure this out. So I write a case that makes him think Zealos is SK, yet he wants to lynch me? Why am I suddenly a scumread (the top lynch candidate) him when I have been town all game to him? Why the sudden switch, when he agrees with my reasoning? On September 20 2013 01:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Lol poor debears/pandain. Nobody to vote for now that zealos is gone. Grack bad lynch. Dibbers/Pandain good lynches. Seems like pandain ain't the lynch for now so I'll vote dibbers I guess until he starts catching scum or something. Glad to hear what happens to zealos tho. For your reading convenience: ##Unvote ##Vote: Papa_Smurf And now he votes me? This guy has given no reason for a complete 180 read on me. Why is that? Especially when he agrees with my zealos read and case? That is scum oriented. At this point in the game, you need to find a scumslip (or something major) to turn a complete 180 on a town read with no reasoning. Also, how did sn0 vote day 1? On September 14 2013 07:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(2): Pandain(0): Old Partner(4): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(5): VayneAuthority, Zealos(4): raynpelikoneet(0): blubbdavid has been lynched! He kept his vote parked on Blubb. On September 13 2013 01:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Doing this in the other thread too but xpost for visibility blah blah blah ##Vote: blubbdavid This was his original reasoning. But, did he ever actually expand on this point? No. Most of his d1 was spent talking on Pandain and other people ##Vote Sn0 | ||
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On September 20 2013 05:08 kushm4sta wrote: haha debears i metaed you so hard Have fun getting lynched | ||
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On September 20 2013 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: No fucking way Umasi. debears makes a half-arsed case on Sno. Me & Grack say we won't vote for him. What's debears' next move? Not trying to convince anyone, but instead "okay, then let's lynch kush". rofl. People just do not drop their scumreads if someone says "i disagree".. Oh but they do Raynp. Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth, that there is no spoon | ||
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On September 20 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Umasi please rephrase your mason logs with debears. Whenever you knock me down, I will not stay on the ground | ||
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You are Isaac, the protagonist of Golden Sun: The Broken Seal. Leading the party to reclaim the stolen Elemental Stars and to rescue the kidnapped Kraden and Jenna you have travelled far and long across the reaches of Weyard. Having witnessed so many differnt people and things on your adventure, you have become rather good at comparing people to discern whether or not they are helpful in your quest. Every night you are able to investigate a player by PM'ing the hosts: ##Investigate: Playername.. You must submit an investigation night one. Your first result however will come with the result of your second check. The results will return either "same alignment" or "different alignment". You cannot check yourself. You win with the Protectors of Weyard, when all threats to Weyard have been eliminated. My crumb came from this. Notice Genesis capitalized after the partentheses. Genesis is the first book in the bible, headlined by Abraham, and his son, Isaac (my flavor name). On September 12 2013 07:17 Papa_Smurf wrote: and so it begins. No idea what golden sun is (Genesis of it and so forth). Looks pretty sweet though. Anyways Hi guys. Is grack really a troll too normally? Not the lack of space after the parentheses, The capital G, and the odd word choice of genesis. Here is my n1 check crumb. It was Raynp. Pretty obvious why I would check him On September 14 2013 08:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Lol BH I love you <3 Some things off the top of my head: Raynp's and Koshi's dropping of SnB is off(especially gotta look at raynp, that little bugger). I wouldn't think both are scum . Seemed like the thread presence of vayne and grack fell off (not sure but had town reads on them double checking that shit). And guess I'll just wait til rigghhhhhtttt about dawn for anything super insightful. Haven't really decided if I'll post right before or quite a bit before Notice the lack of space between the (especially For my n2 check, I checked Pandain. I crumbed the results (Raynp and Pandain are the same).Note "same level of town read" On September 18 2013 08:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: Ok. So, now with 2 more flips, I feel like my reads are starting to fill out. 1) Upon second look at Pandain and raypne's filter, I'd put them at the same level of town read. Pandains vote swap was weird, but I'd say his play overall looks town plain and simple. 2) Umasi looks town from his vote on OP day 1. Also, due to the fact he is a mason. I have not seen anyone else claiming they are a mason. With only 1 mason in game, it's more likely than not that Umasi is a town mason. His d1 pick on Pandain seemed sensible. I still have to read the logs. 3) I've thought Grack has looked town pretty much all game. His veteran claim stuff was just kinda stupid, and it put a spotlight on him that he didn't really need on him. That leaves the following: Oats - I think he's town (he could possibly be SK, but least likely of everyone, and scum are our concern anyhow)/ Vayne Sn0 Kush Zealos Order of lynch preference kush - I think he's scum. His scumteam call n2 was me/grack/panda. I think grack and panda are town. A scumteam on three of the most active players (one of whom is confirmed town to me and the other two likely town)? Not to mention he hasn't given reasoning on grack and panda, and he keeps claiming I never refuted his case. Kush voted blubb d1. He tried to start a wagon on me over BH day 2. Sn0/VA - I'll look at this one more closely as the day goes on Zealos - The dude is most likely the SK. OP's vote on him would be weird is zealos is scum. That means that scum OP would want to bus his partner d1 when a townie (blubb) was right with them in votes. Bussing day1 is extremely unnecessary d1 unless there's a major scumslip/scumcatch. Zealos wasn't considered that. Thus, I would think scum would put zealos and blubb up there as the main lynches, thinking they were both town. Due to the fact that zealos hasn't given a shit all game, he looks sk. I don't want to lynch a sk read over scum right at this moment I can't believe I keep posting this crap in the voting thread....megafails I also breadcrumbed how this game was similar to Mario Mini, where I was also a cop On September 17 2013 01:34 Papa_Smurf wrote: This is scum kush right here. "My case is so right". Then picking 2 of the towniest players in the thread, and one that is considered town by about half the thread as the scumteam. Yeah right. Kush, there's a reason why no one has ever made a meta case on me. Because I play the same as either alignment. The fact that are building your case around your read and not your read around your case is scummy. + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2013 22:59 kushm4sta wrote: 1) also his cases this game have been overly simplistic and directed towards very easy targets. His scumread list atm is OP - claimed survivor Me - afker everyone wants to kill with fire Zealos - classic lynch bait It's like he's going for the most obvious shit and not even trying to find scum. 2) In terms of meta, town debears is levelheaded and logical. Scum debears is much louder and more emotional. Recall his bitchfit with rayne for no reason. Another thing that scum debears loves to do is yell at people about how to play the game. This is scumdebears from NMXXIX: Here is this game (just one of the many times he has done something like this): already have disproved 1) and 2a) On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: 3) As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ 4) Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. 5) You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ 6) Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote: 7) @ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you. 1) Already show how I have simplistic reads that are very successful (especially lately) 2) Funny thing is, if you look at desert postgame. I was bitching at raynp there after I stopped here. It's non alignment indicative. I even said don't consider it as part of my filter I'm pretty sure. 3) is definitely misconstrusing my contributions this game. 1st, there is/was no reason to wifom about the WoS nk. It should be pretty clear that scum would not shoot him. Scum's goal is to get rid of the towniest players. WoS was not a "towniest" player. Also, if things like these were my only contributions, then you'd have something. You are cherrypicking 1 quote and ignoring the cases in my filter. 5) Repeating the points in 2 4 and 6) These points are both bullshit, and totally misrepresent my meta, because you should have read Mario mini's day 1 if you want to know my meta when I'm like this. I freak out over stupidity and bad cases on me. Yours is that. I did in in MM, and I'm doing it here, because I think you aren't that fucking bad as town to come up with such a horrible misrepresentative case. 7) Now he comes up with "oh debears is a dick as scum" after I purge his "emotional" tell. And you know what? He hasn't shown any quotes from my scum game of me being a pure dick. I'd love to see that. Kush claimed to have read my games, yet his failure to recognize the similar circumstances between this game and mario mini (day 1) are amazingly unacceptable. That means he didn't read my games. He skimmed and cherrypicked. 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So if one of raynp or pandain is sk, the other is scum If one is scum, both are scum If one is town, both are town. It is possible there could be a framer (gf, rb, framer are standard roles). SK could have investigation immunity. So cool. I am officially worthless now. Hey, on the bright side, if we mislynch, SK will have free ability to kill scum since scum will rb me! Wohooo Get on the love train, love train | ||
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On September 20 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay who do we lynch. I really do not want to lynch kush. Oats? Is it Oats + Vayne then? lynch kush. I know how to tell vaynes alignment. Will reveal in resolution period | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:03 kushm4sta wrote: #1 your checks are awful #2 your breadcrumbs are exactly the same type as OP's (capitalization of a letter) kill this guy plz | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:07 Sn0_Man wrote: dibbers breadcrumb of role is the kind of shit you can't make up after the fact so he'd have to be planning thsi fake claim. however, He's claiming ISAAC which one would assume is contestable if it was false (Note that Zealos is gonna flip tonight which ought to be informative on that particular thing). Anybody want to lynch pandain (now includes free check on rayn!) kill this guy too | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: kushmasta All-in. No time to analyze the claim fully. Seems legit. I am just going with the cop and town!Pandain. atta boi. way to think with ur dipstick jimmy! | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:10 kushm4sta wrote: why rayne why die jedi scum | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: if there's 4 blue roles in a 15 man game ill eat my own dick, it would confirm papa_smurf as scum using a fake claim to save himself. There's a sk, a survivor, a rb, a gf. That's 4 anti-town roles. there's an additional mafia member, so that's 5 anti-town. 4 blues makes sense | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote: we never confirmed that the roleblock is scum sided, in fact they would have no reason to roleblock me. only a town RB would have rb'ed me imo. That's kind of what I was fishing at. still think we have a town RB'er. Im hesitant to believe your claim for this reason, but if no one CCs then fuck it. I don't see a town rb blocking SnB night one tbh | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:16 VayneAuthority wrote: au contraire, there was a huge SnB wagon that got derailed by me and you if I recall. a lot of people were suspicious of him. not really. When BH claimed survivor, he should have been rbed by town, due to likelihood of sk. Remember, BH claimed in night phase | ||
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Kush: "Oh, dibbers claimed the main character of the franchise, who would undoubtably be in the flavor of some blue's role and would be counterclaimed. Dibbers instant scum. Dibbers fakeclaim." | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:18 kushm4sta wrote: w/e done with this game. if you guys wan tto be retarded and lynch me go ahead. officially washing myself of this game because i cannot deal with rayne's retardation /martyr LOL. declare scum more kush | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain and debears and Sno. Do you realize we just lost the game if Zealos is not SK? do you realize kush is scum? | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote: rayne is so desperate to kill me since I can't be SK lol. he is confirmed SK, finally this game is solved. KILL PANDAIN, WE LOSE IF KUSH IS LYNCHED I JUST REALIZED this is terrible, terrible reasoning considering panda and raynp both look town | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:55 kushm4sta wrote: the problem is we have 3 town and 3 anti town here. anti town has umasi on their side so they have the majority Town kush would not think I'm scum at this point | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:57 VayneAuthority wrote: terrible reasoning from your perspective, if you can provide insight on why pandain did a 180 on his read when I started to become more suspected ( scum play) and why rayn is looking extremely desperate this lynch then im all ears. Grack switched vote out of OP as soon as wagon picked up steam. I don't see where you think im wrong here Idk how you can think kush's reaction to my claim (giving up) is indicative of town play and not scum play | ||
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so i count 8 players left. 5-2-1 Worst case is 3-2-1. Lylo tomorrow | ||
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To the SK: Aim for mafia tonight. It's your best shot at winning. Mafia will likely shoot me tonight since I'm confirmed. 3-2-1 Makes it much harder for you in terms of the chance of being nked. 4-1-1 is favorable, since a mislynch goes 3-1-1. Then a nk on town from mafia makes it 2-1-1. At that point, you can kill the last mafia and goes 2-1 vs town in the final lynch. | ||
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All blues claim tomorrow if its lylo. Oh, and one more thing SK If you don't kill the mafia RB, and mafia RB's you, you automatically lose | ||
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currently, im wondering about the choice of nks n1 and n2. if we dont havr a doctor, that means koshi was shot n1. If not, then who the doctor protected would reveal alot of mafias mindset on who to kill. And, that would mean vayne was lying about the rb, meaning vayne is scum. if koshi was indeed the nk n1, I would wonder why pandain was not seeing that he looked by far the biggest threat to mafia in terms of analytical skills. That would make me believe pandain is scum. of course, if koshi was the nk n1, scum would shoot him again n2 to get rid of him in case of a vet claim or the doc knowimg that koshi is town | ||
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besides, you guys wouldnt even bother looking back at who I think is scum if I die tonight | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: And that brings us back to the fact: I must be SK if debears is telling the truth. Why would i as SK lynch kush over Pandain? Because that means, if pandain is scum, you would be lynched as sk or scum. If you are town, you would know pandain is town. You wouldnt know if iush is town | ||
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Yeah im definitely dead in 4 hours | ||
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All hypothetical of course. Interesting | ||
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lynch panda tomorrow. It makes sense at this point. Raynp said he knew kush was town, yet left his vote on kush. Odd thing to do. If he is town, he would have tried his hardest to sway the lynch off panda and kush. Panda not being the nk night 1 or two irks me. He seemed to me the strongest player analytically. Raynp would make sense as sk, given his push on op. Pandains weird voteswitching at d1 deadline would also make sense as scum. Miscommunication in the scum qt could have led panda accidentally voting for zealos right after bh did to save bh. then, ttospread out the votes, panda switched to blubb to keep associations at a minimum lynch panda lynch panfa lynch panda Scums priorities are confirmed town analysts blues n1 and n2 kills should have been pandain if pandain isnt scum | ||
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On September 21 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am Mia the doctor. N1: Pandain (this is why Vayne's roleblock claim is full of shit). In case scum did not him Koshi on N1, they hit Pandain. N2: Oats. I hate myself as i was supposed to send in Koshi but my brain farted. ASFDJHJFASHJFASH N3: debears obviously, my N3 is a guise. <3 goodluck guys! If you want breadcrumbs check my N2 post and "MIA", where's your n1 breadcrumb? | ||
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Why would raynp, as medic protect oats n2. Why would scum not shoot pandain again n2. They don't make docs that can protect the same person every night in minis (or really in any game) anymore. | ||
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Hmmm. Although, last night, mafia rbed me, so they didn't intend to kill me. They must have shot umasi, as sk's most important threat was mafia last night (and going forward). The only way I see anyone shooting me was the sk (unless the sk held his shot and claimed doc but that would be putting an unnecessary target on the sk's back.) If Pandain or Raynp was scum/sk, they would already know the other's alignments. So, scum would have rbed the sk out of the two and have killed me (I think). The last thing the mafia would need in that situation is for the sk to hit the unknown member, then finish them off. Also, if scum attempted to nk the sk in that situation, the flip would reveal one of the scum. Yeah. Ok. I believe Raynp's claim at this point. Pandain must also be town then (unless some stupid kind of framer) | ||
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So 3 confirmed town | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:11 ShiaoPi wrote: Final Day 1 Votecount: strongandbig(0): VayneAuthority(0): WaveofShadow(0): Grackaroni(0): kushm4sta(2): Pandain(0): Old Partner(4): Koshi(0): blubbdavid(5): VayneAuthority, Zealos(4): raynpelikoneet(0): blubbdavid has been lynched! This whole lack of hit notifications thing sucks o.O. So we are left with Vayne sn0 grack. Those are likely the scumteam + sk. I gotta think of lylo scenarios and such to where we can win | ||
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So sn0 is the sk | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is scum, Grack is not. Sno SK i agree. Vayne scum too. why would oats be scum and not grack? | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Oats has done absolutely nothing in this game besides calling people scum in turns. Grack last minute vote swapped from scum to town | ||
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Ok so now it has to be down to grack and oats for the final scum. | ||
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Scum would have rbed him and killed me, because then Pandain would be outed if mafia killed Raynp. The last thing mafia would want right now is raynp shooting the unknown mafia, so they wouldn't leave a SK Raynp unroleblocked. Raynp, as SK, would not have withheld his shot last night, seeing as he needs to find and kill the other mafia so he can win. Also, if Raynp, as sk, lynched another town today he would essentially lose (3-2-1 before nks, 2-2-0 or 1-2-1 or 2-1-0 or 1-1-1). Only one of those scenarios are winnable for a SK at this point if the SK does not lynch scum). | ||
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4 blues, 1 sk, 1 survivor, 3 mafia. This game would be heavily non-town favored without a doc | ||
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lets all chill and listen to this calming music | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:22 Grackaroni wrote: Either Debears is a fake cop or both Rayn and Pandain are anti-town Yeah we prob lost. Oh well. If sk claims, you have my vote to aid you in killing mafia tomorrow | ||
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