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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 15 2013 17:15 GMT
#1961
On September 16 2013 02:14 kushm4sta wrote:
@GRACK what is your last scumgame please

PURGATORY MAFIA!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#1962
On September 16 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote:
rayn why do you think WoS was killed by scummers?

I actually don't. I just saw one person dead after night and make a hasty decision without thinking it over when i read the thread after night.
table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
September 15 2013 17:17 GMT
#1963
On September 16 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote:
rayn why do you think WoS was killed by scummers?

I actually don't. I just saw one person dead after night and make a hasty decision without thinking it over when i read the thread after night.

Ok cool!
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2013 17:22 GMT
#1964
I have no idea what happened to WoS. Definitely a weird kill. There are a few different possible explanations and I don't think it serves town any good to try to guess at them. He had a weird action (##hide) and so it's probably some random thing we will learn about in post game.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
September 15 2013 17:24 GMT
#1965
On September 16 2013 01:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
also im trying to wrap my head around this night kill, WoS never really had any reads of his own looking through his filter. The last thing he says is i want to policy lynch kush but that's stupid.

Don't really know what's going on in this game tbh

A really bad vigi shot or a set-up with SK + survivor.

VA, your opinion on OP and Papa "The Red" Smurf?
I had a good night of sleep.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 15 2013 17:30 GMT
#1966
@ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 15 2013 17:42 GMT
#1967
On September 16 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 02:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:32 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:26 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:22 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 16 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I like the wortd misrepresentive meta-case and how that makes kush scum.
I remember someone thinking the opposite on last time when there was a misrepresentive meta-case. hmm..


and when was this?

lol


are u talking about SnB's case?

Cuz you thought it was accurate

Yeah it is accurate. And you doged the question about the fact in the case that is not accurate and you very well know it.


Lol. Therefore the meta case itself was not misrepresentative. It was his use of the meta case that was.

I showed that kush's actual meta case was misrepresentative, not just his use of it.

No, you are wrong. SnB expecially said "as town rayn pushes important matters".
Why don't you look at my last three town games (not Aperture - because i did not have time to play properly so i didn't do much anything), and tell me straight to my face this comment of SnB's is accurate. I even know myself he is worng, the matters i have pushed, especially on D1's, were not important. How does SnB know what i have pushed this game was not important? At that point i had ONLY pushed a guy who is either third party or scum and things regarding him, that was not important, let's say compared to people who pushed blubbers for no fucking reason? There was never a case on blubbers, not a single case, people just voted for him because they were afraid of pushing their own cases or they were sheeps.




On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.


How do you now find it an inaccurate meta read, when you said it was fucking accurate earlier

Because there are only slight differences in my scum/town play, and the conclusion "rayn is hard to read" is a reasonable conclusion. I didn't read that post with full concentration at that time. I only noticed something is fucking off in that post and only later analyzed it better.

Why are you again dodging answering me and comign up with something entirely different? Can you just fucking answer my post and not flip-flop around it?


This is the very reason why you are on my ignore list.

Anyways, you were going on about insignificant stuff/stuff that you shouldn't
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 13 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 13 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
4-person scumteam is much harder to nail than 3 person scumteam at game start.

lame, I thought I was gonna be the hero by calling blubbdavid, pandain and papa_smurf scum (in order of certainty, last is *starsenses*).

Oh well at least BD is around lets hear what he has to say.

debears could be scum. All he did was to enter an argument with Vayne that honestly was crap. There was also nothing to achieve from that argument in the first place..


That's weird, cuz I did the same thing in desert (arguing and voting someone who had a strong town read early d1), and you didn't find me scum there solely because of that.

On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 13 2013 03:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Final thing

This is a pure policy on raynp

If rayne EVER in game says he fake claims, we are lynching him on the spot. No questions asked. He heavily messed up the last game for town by his fakeclaim shenanigans (fakeclaiming 3 times apparently since the host said he never got shot).

MAKE SURE WE LYNCH RAYNP IF HE EVER FAKECLAIMS

Actually. Explain to me how i messed up the game and how you come to a conclusion i should be policy lynched if i fakeclaim? Also why can't i fakeclaim as scum, as your post suggests that you know i am town already (read the policy-word)?


See, everyone goes on about how I started the shitfest between us. You did by questioning my policy lynch.

On September 13 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 13 2013 03:17 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm leaning scum tbh. Even though I hate rayn's claims with a passion its probably not unreasonable to say that they cause some amount of uncertainty to the scummers who would probably not mind doing without.

Although rayns reads this game are even worse than most of his other games (apparently thats even possible) so there is that.

<3
Who's found scum in last couple of games and who's not? *Ego*


shoving your dick in sn0's face for now reason.

On September 13 2013 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 03:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
On September 13 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Did marv tell you not to tunnel a townie Day 1?

This was a serious question rayn. Lynching you doesn't seem as unreasonable as I had thought. I'm wondering where your famous day-1 tunnel has gone? its almost halfway through day 1 already.

So what, i need to tunnel a townie to not get lynched on D1? Is that what you are saying? I don't see where you are heading with this so could you please clarify?


arguing with sn0 over a "meta tell" that had no evidence behind it and wasn't seriously considered by anyone else to be true.

On September 13 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 13 2013 04:04 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain.


start reading please

On September 12 2013 15:58 Papa_Smurf wrote:
On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.

Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.

VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)


I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.

Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.




Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.

I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.

Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.

I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.


The two bolded parts don't seem to come from a town mindset.

1) (As I said in an earlier post), SnB's finding me signing up as a coach for newbies isn't "research". He probably saw the post in the forum with my name as the latest post and looked at it for a second. It's something that either alignment would do, seeing as knowing who the smurf is can help mafia consider nks more easily.

2) The wording you use on kush seems to infer you think he is town

"posting like shit" - that is not the same as "posting like scum". Posting like shit would infer that you think he is town and he should post better

"he'll be useless to the thread basically" - you say uselessness as though he is town.

"he has ignored OP's (my plea actually) plea to stop spamming" - kush hasn't really been spamming. And you act as though he wouldn't ignore OP's plea anyways. If you thought he was town, that would be a reasonable assumption that he should listen to non spam pleas. But, if he's mafia, he doesn't have motive to listen to such pleas other than to avoid being lynched.

I find it odd that none of your words come close to calling kush scum, yet you would lynch him purely for posting like shit, uselessness, and ignoring a plea to not spam. Not scumminess.

3) you have a major contradiction here in these two parts of your post

Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.

I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos.

You say zealos seems town, then say he should be considered highly suspicious.

I wouldn't think town would get that mixed up in their reads in one post


Right. Does this make him scum? My argument throughout the day has been that OP has been bringing up the exact same invalid points - besides this NOTHING MORE! How is Pandain more suspicious than OP?


On September 13 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Pandain's thread entry was not awful, I FUCKING POINTED OUT ALREADY WHY OP'S THREAD ENTRY WAS 100x WORSE THAN PANDAIN"S!!!

What did people do, oh right! THEY FUCKED OFF!


constantly going on about "OP scummier than Panduin". Same points every time. Refusing to listen to other people.

On September 13 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 13 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote:
On September 13 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 13 2013 05:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
Nobody's provided town motivation for blue hunting. Its literally 10000000% scum. Unless maybe you are medic but even then you keep your blue hunting to yourself.

In other news, i'm not talking to rayn again. He's literally the dumbest person on earth. Whys "moronic as fuck" a town tell on this guy?

No, everyone should bluehunt as town. It's beneficial when people claim, you are able to distinguish blues from reds.

Not open analysis though please don't make lists.

Like, if you have followed any games here in the last year or smth, you'd notice this:
Someone claims blue. Everyone yells; "WHERE IS YOUR BREADCRUMB???? NO BREADCRUMB, YOU ARE SCUM!!"
Breadcrumbs are dumb, it's your actions throughout the game that tell if you are what you claim you are. People are shit in that regards. Just a warning. ^^


Making a huge deal on breadcrumbs (I still wonder who told you that breadcrumbs are totally useless)

On September 13 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME?


Like this one is probably the worst


Besides, I don't get how you don't understand the main reason why I didn't listen your your SnB stuff was that you suddenly flipflopped on him after calling him town earliier and defending vaynes early game strong town read.
Old Partner
Profile Joined September 2013
United States274 Posts
September 15 2013 17:44 GMT
#1968
Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for!

For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT

If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either

1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was.
2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor

neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man.

And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack
For better or for worse, things had changed.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 15 2013 17:45 GMT
#1969
posting from my phone.

I don't see the case on Debears, I think he has been doing scumhunting all game. Vayne, Blubbers, Pandain, etc. He's going for "easy" targets right now such as Zealos and OP because those are the people most likely to be scum.
The meta really didn't convince me either.

I am going to read up on Kush as well to see if I'm mistaken but I think he is likely town for reading up on everybody's meta. He did this in GoT as well so I'm pretty sure this is Kush's main way of scum hunting. I'm pretty sure Kush doesn't bother to scumhunt when he is scum because he knows by now that he can get away with it.
Old Partner
Profile Joined September 2013
United States274 Posts
September 15 2013 17:46 GMT
#1970
Of course you don't "see" a case on debears grack all you want to do is sit by annoyingly while i get lynched
For better or for worse, things had changed.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2013 17:47 GMT
#1971
I don't care to argue with you. I hope people can see how wrong your argument is.
table for two on a tv tray
Old Partner
Profile Joined September 2013
United States274 Posts
September 15 2013 17:48 GMT
#1972
I'm sorry rayn, I'm just saying it's not my fault my role name doesn't happen to be on the wiki. It's the PM I got, what am I supposed to do about it?
For better or for worse, things had changed.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2013 17:49 GMT
#1973
On September 16 2013 02:44 Old Partner wrote:
Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for!

For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT

If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either

1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was.
2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor

neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man.

And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack

I think you are either
1) SK with BP ability, or
2) Scum

In either case The Captain is your fakeclaim. I agree with you that people questioning the rolename are dumb.
You have yet to deliver. Now stop defending yourself and tell people who is scum and why.
table for two on a tv tray
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 15 2013 17:49 GMT
#1974
On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote:
As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames.

Here is another example:
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On September 14 2013 10:12 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Stop wifoming over posting a role pm

Do post analysis over actual play

This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game.

~~~~

Regarding your emotionality,
in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis.

You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical.
As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper.
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On September 14 2013 09:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:
So let me get this straight

Raynp wants me to explain my read on him right away
Raynp wants BH to post ever read he has right away
Raynp won't post actual analysis on kush's play
Raynp thought we should lynch oats (a replacement) over kush

Wow

Can
He
Be
This
Bad
As
Town


~~~~

You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still!

~~~~

Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town.


2 more quotes from THIS GAME. WOW
'
THAT'S GREAT ADDED META ANALYSIS. 2 more quotes from this game. wow. Not from my games where you would get a meta read.

look at the red

1) "There are more still" implies he has already found more quotes from other games. Why did he not post them?

"he's lazy and tired"? All he has to do is quote them.

Kush is lying


2) Why has kush still not shown any of the above tells as trends in all my games? He has 2 quotes from two other games, which do not in any way indicate a trend when I have so kindly provided multiple quotes from 3 other games of mine.

It's because he can't.

3) Why is kush so eager to lynch me over SnB, who should be the obvious lynch in a 15 player game with another survivor already flipped?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 15 2013 17:50 GMT
#1975
On September 16 2013 02:48 Old Partner wrote:
I'm sorry rayn, I'm just saying it's not my fault my role name doesn't happen to be on the wiki. It's the PM I got, what am I supposed to do about it?

Yeah that was to debears (my comment). My bad, should have quoted his post..
table for two on a tv tray
Old Partner
Profile Joined September 2013
United States274 Posts
September 15 2013 17:51 GMT
#1976
On September 16 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 02:44 Old Partner wrote:
Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for!

For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT

If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either

1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was.
2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor

neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man.

And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack

I think you are either
1) SK with BP ability, or
2) Scum

In either case The Captain is your fakeclaim. I agree with you that people questioning the rolename are dumb.
You have yet to deliver. Now stop defending yourself and tell people who is scum and why.


yeah yeah I know defending myself has zero impact on whether or not I get lynched, but when I see people being WRONG I have to tell them they're wrong. This is just who I am.

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For better or for worse, things had changed.
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 15 2013 17:51 GMT
#1977
On September 16 2013 02:30 kushm4sta wrote:
@ps also please show me where you were a dick to someone in a town game. I think acting like a dick is a huge scumtell for you.


show me a game where I'm not a dick at all at any point.

It's your meta case. You do it.
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 15 2013 17:57 GMT
#1978
Btw I should have a decent read on Raynp by the end of this cycle if things continue the way they are
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
September 15 2013 18:14 GMT
#1979
wtf are you doing OP?
I had a good night of sleep.
Old Partner
Profile Joined September 2013
United States274 Posts
September 15 2013 18:16 GMT
#1980
On September 16 2013 03:14 Koshi wrote:
wtf are you doing OP?


contemplating whether I can write a convincing case on PS/DB. In theory, I'd like to be convinced myself by it as well. In practice, if I think I can write a sufficiently convincing one, even if I personally am not convinced I can just pretend to be. What are you up to?
For better or for worse, things had changed.
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