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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 13:52 GMT
#749
Koshi are you here?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 13:57 GMT
#752
Give a player name. We both share our thoughts on them, then i do the same. Ok?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 14:25 GMT
#758
I think blubbers is not as scummy as you seem to think Koshi. His posting early on seemed weird to me aswell, but it's only semantics, everyone says stuff with wrong words sometimes and that does not make them scum. Also, scum are usually much more careful in how they word their posts and don't post "on the fly" that much. I don't think that makes him scum. Another thing that speaks in his favor is that he voted for Zealos. Why would he vote for Zealos when there are three wagons, one of which is him, and another one which is SnB, and the third one is kush. If he was scum he would have probably voted for SnB (unless they are both scum) because the case is strong. Or he would have voted for kush (which is the easiest vote for scum to justify at this point lol). Him voting for a completely different target speaks in his favor as his own ass is on the line. Even Umasi vote would have been justified from scum!blubbers.

His recent posting feels genuine, i do not think he is scum.

Go WoS!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 14:30 GMT
#759
WoS to me seems pretty bad. It might be that he is just busy, but that does not justify the following. Remember when WoS got back? He went straight to arguing with Grackaroni. That's all he did and he ended up on a town read on Grack. Actually, that's all WoS has done this game.. been arguing with Grack. What especially bothers me is that when he first accused Grack, his reasons were not so strong. When Grack asked about this later, WoS reasoning changed to what i said (if you remember when we talked about Grack early on in the game). It was not WoS' reasoning, it was mine, and he was trying to justify his early read on Grack with something he did not bring up in the first place, at all. Nothing indicates he thought Grack was scummy for what he said later (after i had said it)... That's why i think WoS looks bad, and i am interested in hearing more from him now that he can't hide behind his Grack read and has to talk about other stuff.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 14:37 GMT
#763
On September 13 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote:
awwww I kinda skimmed over the whole Grack/WoS thingie. But it looked like WoS was geniounly thinking that grack was scum and he pushed him in a good way, dropped his read in a good way. But I'll reread.

Look at his reasoning why Grackaroni is scum (1) in the first place and (2) when he came back in thread. It changes, and the first one is definitely not what he says later on.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 14:43 GMT
#767
Oh shit, yeah. WoS actually brought that point up i was talking about in my last post about him. Hmm, i think he doesn't look that bad given that i missed the fact. However, i still want more from him.

Your turn of target!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 14:44 GMT
#770
debears wanna join our cool scumhunting club with your red hat?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:09 GMT
#774
On September 14 2013 00:03 blubbdavid wrote:
Analysis of Zealos:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 20:55 Zealos wrote:
Well, Kush is pretty much a non read. Either a mad Mafia or a Mad town. I think it's better to see how he acts in the next day, in the light of this one.

This post just seems to agree with the general sentiment on Kush, him being anti-townie. Trying to blend in?
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On September 12 2013 21:27 Zealos wrote:
I was gonna say that Koshi was the most useless filler post material ever, but I quite like how he posts towards the end of the day.

Koshi at that time was meddling with rayn ("We are on different planets today rayn.") Not taking a real stance on him. We all know that they are best buddies now ("rayn & Koshi powa is back!"). Has he entered a spacecraft? I don't want to suspect rayn now because those buddying postings all come from Koshi's side. Coincidentally Koshi already has SnB in his eye early because of that guys early posting.
Now as you can see, rayn-koshi-zealous are on the snb ship, and the have already touched eachother lightly in little banter.
This brings us to zealous next post (after an Isaac fluff post):
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On September 13 2013 21:54 Zealos wrote:
And I like the point you bring up against SnB. I think it is probably the best lead to go by so far.

The rest of his postings are all against Zealous, without any analysis whatsoever. Don't you find that suspicious, Papa?
tldr why is zealous almost blindly following the rayn/koshi on the snb train?
Satisfied Papa?

1) Are you saying town!Zealos cannot make "kush is a non-read, give him more time" read? How does that makes Zealos scum? Why does Zealos look worse compared to other people who have the same read on kush?

2) So me and Koshi voting for same target makes the target town and everyone joining the wagon scum? How? Do not make those retarded connection cases because it makes you look dumb or scummy. Even if me/Koshi/both is scum it doesn't tell anything about Zealos' alignment. He agrees with my case, what's wrong with it?

3) Can you tell me why the case on SnB does not make him scum? What reason does he have to lie about his meta on me as town? What reason does he have to make a post where he reaches no conclusion on anything he talks about at the time other people are calling me scummy/bad?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:18 GMT
#777
Tell me what's wrong with my case WoS?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:26 GMT
#780
So SnB must be town because it's me and Koshi voting for him.. This seems really fishy and it's nto a reason why my case is bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:45 GMT
#786
On September 14 2013 00:33 blubbdavid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 14 2013 00:03 blubbdavid wrote:
Analysis of Zealos:
On September 12 2013 20:55 Zealos wrote:
Well, Kush is pretty much a non read. Either a mad Mafia or a Mad town. I think it's better to see how he acts in the next day, in the light of this one.

This post just seems to agree with the general sentiment on Kush, him being anti-townie. Trying to blend in?
On September 12 2013 21:27 Zealos wrote:
I was gonna say that Koshi was the most useless filler post material ever, but I quite like how he posts towards the end of the day.

Koshi at that time was meddling with rayn ("We are on different planets today rayn.") Not taking a real stance on him. We all know that they are best buddies now ("rayn & Koshi powa is back!"). Has he entered a spacecraft? I don't want to suspect rayn now because those buddying postings all come from Koshi's side. Coincidentally Koshi already has SnB in his eye early because of that guys early posting.
Now as you can see, rayn-koshi-zealous are on the snb ship, and the have already touched eachother lightly in little banter.
This brings us to zealous next post (after an Isaac fluff post):
On September 13 2013 21:54 Zealos wrote:
And I like the point you bring up against SnB. I think it is probably the best lead to go by so far.

The rest of his postings are all against Zealous, without any analysis whatsoever. Don't you find that suspicious, Papa?
tldr why is zealous almost blindly following the rayn/koshi on the snb train?
Satisfied Papa?

1) Are you saying town!Zealos cannot make "kush is a non-read, give him more time" read? How does that makes Zealos scum? Why does Zealos look worse compared to other people who have the same read on kush?

2) So me and Koshi voting for same target makes the target town and everyone joining the wagon scum? How? Do not make those retarded connection cases because it makes you look dumb or scummy. Even if me/Koshi/both is scum it doesn't tell anything about Zealos' alignment. He agrees with my case, what's wrong with it?

3) Can you tell me why the case on SnB does not make him scum? What reason does he have to lie about his meta on me as town? What reason does he have to make a post where he reaches no conclus
ion on anything he talks about at the time other people are calling me scummy/bad?

1) Zealos so far has only talked about Kush, Koshi and SnB. His post on Kush strikes me as a complete filler post, as I said trying to blend in. In another post he is talking about how d1 is a clusterfuck and so. Useless filler.

2) He agrees on your case after taking a glance in the thread and doesn't mention me or kush (who are candidates). Why doesn't he take stance on other cases and immediately agrees with you cuz "is probably the best lead to go by so far"? And me and kush are not suspicious?

3) SnB has started to post against you when you were suspicious of OP. Why should he try to bring down your credibility when you weren't a real danger for scum (as noone really cared about OP)? Yes, he may have some fetish with that meta bullcrap and may be wrong on that, but from a scum side of view it doesn't make sense at all. All it brought him is that people are now against us.

Papa, what is your stance on SnB? Are you trying to push me on the pyre for a lynch so that SnB, if he is scum, doesn't have to die? since atm snb and me are both death candidates. I guess rayn would also be interested in that.

1) Yes, it is a filler post. I agree with that. What i asked was how does Zealos look worse given his stance on kush than other people who have the same stance? How does that comment make his scum over other people who have done the exact same thing?

2) If he thinks my case is best, why should he comment on other people? Isn't it clear that he wants to lynch SnB, not kush/you? Why does he have to say that if he is voting for SnB? And again, i don't see how him agreeing with one case over others make him scum?

3) "Why should he try to bring down your credibility when you weren't a real danger for scum (as noone really cared about OP)?" That's not the case and i have already explained it. It seems to me that you have not even read my latest post on SnB. Or if you have, you don't seem to understand it given you say things that are incorrect.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:46 GMT
#787
YEA! OATS!
Lynch SnB.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:50 GMT
#789
Oats read this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&currentpage=37#726
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 15:52 GMT
#790
Pantherdude is not necessarily scum. His posts are hard to read and i would hope he would make more consolidated posts but it does not make him scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 16:03 GMT
#801
On September 14 2013 00:56 blubbdavid wrote:
Let's 1) be since it is not my main reason
2) It is ok that he agrees with reasons. But you must take a look at the silent evidence: Thus far Zealos has not contributed anything useful, not even to SnB's case. Some of us even want(ed) to shoot him because of his lurking. Now, if he were a townie, why doesn't he step up and compensate his absence with some good analysis and reads? Instead, he takes the easy way. I really want to know what he thinks about me.
3) Mind to repost the implied lines, so that we don't get confused?

I am pretty neutral on SnB and if you and Koshi want to lynch him, go ahead. On the other hand it is just inexcusable for Zealos to hop on the wagon and contribute nothing after a long time lurking. I am repeating myself.

Still want to know papa's stance on SnB.

2) I still don't think him voting for the target he feels like is best makes him scum, but you are right, he could do more. Ask him about his read on you. Make him talk.

3)
On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

(1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?

(2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia:
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On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote:
Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't.

Anyway:

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

What about
4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched?
There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh.

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit?

This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it.
More importantly,
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

This is an awful lot of words to say "I have no opinion on Cora yet" and "I still attest that you're, in fact, butthurt."

A lot.

Sup BH?

VE what happened to this?
BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative.


Also,
No one else reveal their item names. I don't remember who but someone earlier in the thread said their item was used by someone else to build a doomsday machine. It seems likely that this doomsday machine has multiple pieces that need to be collected and something like the "null talisman" could easily be part of it.. Okay that was still koshi speculating about his item. Still given the rift destabilization mechanic from before and the fate counter, it's kind of likely that someone bad wants townies' items.

One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him.

This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game.

Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM.

Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad.

Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him.

Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB?

(3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions.



(5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all..



Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 16:06 GMT
#804
Also, blubbers, to answer your last line; debears is probably scum. I have asked him times and times to contribute to the case, he has refused to do so. He in fact should have immediately realize SnB's point ((1) - that i bring up) is completely bullshit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 16:20 GMT
#820
wtf are you talking about WoS? Blubbdavid is one of the leading candidates..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 17:13 GMT
#860
Uhh, this is annoying. SnB comes in with something i don't even understand and says "i'll be back".
debears does not give a fuck about anything.
Oats went meh..
WoS said something then left.
I don't wanna lynch blubbers or definitely not kush.
Rest of the town does not care shit about anything.

Just vote for SnB.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 17:23 GMT
#867
Why would debears push for blubbers lynch if he was scum with him? Makes no sense.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 17:37 GMT
#879
On September 14 2013 02:33 kushm4sta wrote:
I totally get the desire to plynch me. What are the wagons

you (town)
blubblers (prolly town)
SnB (totally scum)
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