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On September 20 2013 23:18 Grackaroni wrote:
@Oats: You said Vayne was 100% Mafia, how does anything that happened last night change that?
Also I'm getting a bad vibe from Rayn, can you explain how SK and mafia know each other? What is that all about?
Mafia knows me/debears/Pandain are town. They know Umasi is town. Therefore they know the last 2 players who have a possibility to be SK. Most likely they are able to figure it out. Same goes for SK, because Sno_man can't be scum.
TLDR; SK & scum have 2 people they are not sure of, one of them is town and another one of them is scum/SK (depending on which side you look it from).
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If debears & Pandain are scum debears' claim does not makes sense. They are exposing themselves to the SK. That's dumb, he is not fakeclaiming.
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On September 20 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do you think scum are stupid enough to not kill debears? Pandain as scum does not kill the most experienced player besides him? Papa smurf did say something about not being debears. Also Papa smurf was a possible mislynch at the start of day 2 anyway. so much fucking speculation rayn. Too much.
So debears accidently posted in this thread and Papa_Smurf used his identity as disguise?
I think that's kinda cheating no?
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So Grack. You think debears is not fakeclaiming. Therefore his checks are real.
That means i am scum with Pandain, or we are both town right?
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On September 20 2013 23:34 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Grack. You think debears is not fakeclaiming. Therefore his checks are real.
That means i am scum with Pandain, or we are both town right?
Yes, but not both mafia together. You would be SK.
So in this case mafia knows the SK and SK knows mafia no?
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EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i?
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On September 20 2013 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i? because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that.
No, i can WIFOM he is mafia with Pandain and lying. kush is already 100% with me.
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On September 20 2013 23:41 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I wouldnt get too panicky over who is scum right now. 2 more flips = alot more knowledge
besides, you guys wouldnt even bother looking back at who I think is scum if I die tonight
lol because in this game you have been kinda.. wrong.. 
And don't take this as an insult. You have both been kinda wrong with Pandain.
Vayne and Grack/Oats is scum. Oats/Sno/Grack is SK.
Vayne is scum.
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On September 20 2013 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2013 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i? because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that. No, i can WIFOM he is mafia with Pandain and lying. kush is already 100% with me. lol no you couldn't we are at 5-2-1 right now. If you are SK and you had lynched Pandain last round rather than Kush it would be 6-1-1. after that even if you convinced people to kill debears the game would still go on and you would be automatically killed off as the confirmed scum
That's not quite true. If i was SK here is the situation.
6-2-1 on D3. Mafia would know i am SK (if Pandain is mafia and debears town).
We lynch Pandain. 6-1-1. Night kills (i obv hit town - so does mafia); 4-1-1.
I WIFOM debears is scum. We lynch debears. 3-1-1.
Night kills (i hit a townie - so does scum) 1-1-1.
The remaining townie is a kingmaker, that's my best shot at winning if i am SK.
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On September 20 2013 23:50 Sn0_Man wrote:
7-2-1 until zealos went and got banned.
Wtf has that to do with anything, he was gonna get modkilled and was obviously not scum. If i am SK i know he is town.
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Sno and Grack, the one of you who is town, please start making sense and look at the situation objectively so we can win this game...
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Oatsmaster, Grackaroni and Sno_man:
Explain to me how i win as Serial Killer by lynching town!kush over mafia!Pandain from the situation D3? Assume debears is town and telling the truth. Or if you think he is not telling the truht, explain why and then how.
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On September 21 2013 00:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Realistically, you are on the list bro. Its not like your scumhunting has been useful. Ur like 1 tier below rayn/dibbers for SK likelihood.
You are being dumb. debears can't be SK.
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On September 21 2013 00:02 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster, Grackaroni and Sno_man:
Explain to me how i win as Serial Killer by lynching town!kush over mafia!Pandain from the situation D3? Assume debears is town and telling the truth. Or if you think he is not telling the truht, explain why and then how. we already did. If you are SK lynching Pandain would force you to get Debears lynched. It's a lynch you would probably lose. hell even Debears already said that you would have lynched kush regardless of your alignment. I don't see why you keep trying to argue that this choice makes it impossible for you to be SK
So if debears says i would lynch kush regardless of my alignment that is the absolute truth?
"Hey guys, Grack would have lynched Vayne last day if he was town." Shit, are you scum now?
What about this:
On September 20 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2013 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:On September 20 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 20 2013 23:40 Grackaroni wrote:On September 20 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh nvm, i get what you are saying.
But Grack, if i was SK i would have definitely lynched mafia!Pandain over town!kush. Why wouldn't i? because then Debears knows you are mafia and the lynch turns into you vs him the next day... and either you die or he gets lynched and then you die after that. No, i can WIFOM he is mafia with Pandain and lying. kush is already 100% with me. lol no you couldn't we are at 5-2-1 right now. If you are SK and you had lynched Pandain last round rather than Kush it would be 6-1-1. after that even if you convinced people to kill debears the game would still go on and you would be automatically killed off as the confirmed scum That's not quite true. If i was SK here is the situation. 6-2-1 on D3. Mafia would know i am SK (if Pandain is mafia and debears town). We lynch Pandain. 6-1-1. Night kills (i obv hit town - so does mafia); 4-1-1. I WIFOM debears is scum. We lynch debears. 3-1-1. Night kills (i hit a townie - so does scum) 1-1-1. The remaining townie is a kingmaker, that's my best shot at winning if i am SK.
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On September 21 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster, Grackaroni and Sno_man:
Explain to me how i win as Serial Killer by lynching town!kush over mafia!Pandain from the situation D3? Assume debears is town and telling the truth. Or if you think he is not telling the truht, explain why and then how. Because then mafia Pandain flipping means you are not town. Then we lynch you. Ezpz.
NO IT DOESN'T! IT MEANS I AM ANTI TOWN OR DEBEARS IS LYING!
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On September 21 2013 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I can't speak for other people but if Pandain was lynched yesterday and he flipped red, I would be more inclined to trust Debears and lynch you next than to lynch Debears. Plus I'm pretty sure I remember you outlining a situation where the SK can get to lylo from where we are right now without even being stuck in a kingmaker situation.
Okay so. Let's assume that would have happened (i hammered Pandain and he flipped red).
What are you going to say on D4 when i tell you "Why the fuck would i kill Pandain when it proves i am not town if debears is telling the truth?"
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On September 21 2013 00:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
Pls Anti-Town powers, have massive brain-fart (like in P4) and NK rayn
Thanks,
Town.
Hey dude. I really hope you at some point (preferrably now) would learn to take a look at things from more than one perspective and look at them objectively. Please.
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On September 21 2013 00:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 21 2013 00:08 Grackaroni wrote:
I can't speak for other people but if Pandain was lynched yesterday and he flipped red, I would be more inclined to trust Debears and lynch you next than to lynch Debears. Plus I'm pretty sure I remember you outlining a situation where the SK can get to lylo from where we are right now without even being stuck in a kingmaker situation. Okay so. Let's assume that would have happened (i hammered Pandain and he flipped red). What are you going to say on D4 when i tell you "Why the fuck would i kill Pandain when it proves i am not town if debears is telling the truth?" That's actually not a bad argument. Will have to think about this. I still doubt there's many players in this game that would choose to let you win in a kingmaker situation which would be your best scenario.
I would not give a fuck who chooses or not chooses to let me win. That's my best bet.
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I mean, Grack, look at it:
I am SK here. It's 5-2-1.
My best bet is to hit mafia (because SK's best bet is to hit mafia).
Mafia's best bet is to roleblock me (because mafia want's to have 2 mambers alive so they can rb/kill SK by lynching).
If i am SK mafia is obviously gonna roleblock me. Does it help me? 1 NK, i am dead the next day because 4-2-1.
debears has a check too. Where does that put mafia? Unwinnable situation.
There is no way (1) debears fakeclaimed, (2) i am SK, (3) Pandain is mafia.
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