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On September 17 2013 22:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Rayne you can't assume grack is gonna bus debears.
Koshi what role says three scummers. I think 1 survivorq 4 scummers.
Why was wos killed? Some weird ability like ##hide, which showed us this game has unconventional roles.
But there is no point in fakeclaiming as scum because he didn't have to. It does not help anything if he fakeclaims as scum. Zero, none, nada.
WoS was either shot by SK, shot by vigilante who is a JOAT or some shit, or shot by scum (lol) for some stupid reason.
If WoS was not shot by scum and there is a SK there should be 2 KP this night.
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On September 17 2013 22:10 kushm4sta wrote:
How stupid is it to reveal the amount of scum in the death post?
You cannot assume that means 3 scum.
Why would sk kill wos... that makes as much sense as scum doing it.
SK want's to kill everyone. That means they want to kill people scum do not kill, because they do not want to stack a hit with scum. WoS was scummy as fuck and therefore a no-kill for scum.
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EBWOP:
Scum want to hit people who look townie.
SK wants to hit people scum do not hit and keep a balance between scum/town ratio to ensure his survival.
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On September 17 2013 22:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
whos sk rayn and Koshi?
I have no idea and i do not care about it right now because it might be that there is no SK.
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On September 17 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:VA best bet atm.
Why would vayne as SK kill a dude who was sheeping him and thought he was town?
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Oats what do you make of Sno_man going silent when you asked him about proving that BH is a survivor?
I mean his reasoning "the meeting is over now", when he has before that posted 6 times in an hour?
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On September 17 2013 22:43 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats what do you make of Sno_man going silent when you asked him about proving that BH is a survivor?
I mean his reasoning "the meeting is over now", when he has before that posted 6 times in an hour? Maybe he had to GO?? MAybe he was bored with the back and forth? I dont know but there are a million probable townie reasons.
No, there is only one possible townie reason. He had a meeting that lasted ~25 minutes and started JUST as Oats asked him about BH. Every other explanation is that he is lying and therefore scum.
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On September 17 2013 22:42 kushm4sta wrote:
A generalized metagame defense of vayne
My qualifications: I've been on a scumteam with vayne before quite recently.
Vayne is the kind of player who looks scummier as town than scum. He is superficially scummier as town because he does not give much effort and is not cooperative with tryhard scumhunters. As scum, his posts are much more constructed and it looks like he is trying harder.
Why is Vayne scum? I will try to counter any argument you present.
Vayne didn't give a fuck about D1 lynch and left his vote on blubbers for reasons never explained. He even called the guy townier than some other dudes at some point on D1. He never gave any reasons for his vote, he never tried to push the lynch. He never tried to push any lynch.
After D1 he called people on "his wagon" scummy as fuck or bad. It was not his wagon because he never gave any reasoning for his vote. It doesn't mean shit that he was the first one to vote for blubbers.
On D2 he went into shitfest with me & Koshi and has done no scumhunting at all after that.
He "correctly identified the scumteam" but had his vote on survivor. No explanation given when asked.
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On September 17 2013 22:52 kushm4sta wrote:
VAYNE JUST Because Someone Doens't Give As Much Effort As You, Explain Every ACtion they Take, Or Respond Promply To Your Incessant Lines Of Questioning, That Doesn't Make Them Scum.
lol, he hasn't given ANY FUCKS ABOUT FINDING SCUM THIS GAME! Point me one post of his where he is scumhunting after 12h into the game?
And no, the early game does not matter because that was dumb argument over nothing.
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On September 17 2013 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
What about sn0's afk is scummy? He made his thoughts on BH perfectly clear. UNLIKE grack. UNLIKE pandain.
Scum can panic when some info comes up. Otas said "what if i can prove BH is a survivor?".
Assume Sno is scum. He knows BH is in fact a Godfather. Sno has said he want's to lynch BH unless he is confirmed survivor. What the hell is Oats doing? What is he after? Does he have a green check on BH? Why is he saying things about proving BH is survivor? How should i respond? "Scum QT help me!!!"
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On September 17 2013 22:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's cool ill defend myself when the time comes, i know im not scum. I gave reasoning for my blubb vote and I wasn't around for the hours before the lynch or I would have changed my vote if I saw how many scummy people were bandwagoning me. So anything about the whole blubb thing is just a straight up lie.
Could you show me your reasoning for blubbb vote because i can't find it from your filter.
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On September 17 2013 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
No...sno just really thought bh was survivor. he made that very clear.. But obviously we had to lynch him. Everyone agreed on that.
Sn0 was curious aobut Oats claim, WHAT TOWN WOULDN"T BE?? you cant say hes scum for being curious. Especially since it possibly confirmed his belief that bh was a survivor
The immediate response for a townie would be:
"Why the fuck would you claim a cop/rolecop and defend a survivor?"
That's not what Sno did.
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On September 17 2013 23:05 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
No...sno just really thought bh was survivor. he made that very clear.. But obviously we had to lynch him. Everyone agreed on that.
Sn0 was curious aobut Oats claim, WHAT TOWN WOULDN"T BE?? you cant say hes scum for being curious. Especially since it possibly confirmed his belief that bh was a survivor The immediate response for a townie would be: "Why the fuck would you claim a cop/rolecop and defend a survivor?" That's not what Sno did. Untrue. Untrue to the uber max. My response would have been the same as Sn0's in his shoes. If i was cop I would defend a survivor in TWO SECONDS because it's a dumb lynch if he's a survivor.
Trust me kushmasta. I know how this shit works having played a ton of off thread comm games. I use the same kinda trap often. Example:
I am having a convo with someone who is scum, they have hit player X on night:
me: "okay so what happened during the night?"
them: "impossible to say, scum hit X, maybe vigi, maybe SK, i dunno"
me: "okay i know scum did not hit X"
This is what happens next:
town (immediately): "oh okay, so you are a vigi then? i doubt you would claim as SK. Or has someone claimed to you the hit?"
Mafia does not know what they should answer. They know i am lying. They do not know what i am after. Usually they do not think this kinda stuff through (what they should answer - beforehand) because who the fuck would fakeclaim a hit mafia did? They panic and fuck up, or go silent. Or if they are good they have run fake scenarios in their head. Townies do not panic or go silent because townies run these possible scenarios in their head beforehand.
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On September 17 2013 23:18 kushm4sta wrote:
stfu with your wifom. i don't care how many comm games you play, you are wrong hella often and this is one of those times.
scum might answer that way or they might stfu and not say anything or they might say zomg you are lying. There is a range of possible scum responses.
There is also a range of possible town responses. THEY OVERLAP. Sn0's repsonse was standard town. Your argument is pure wifom.
The point is not what Sno's answer was. The point is it took Sno 30 minutes to answer while before that he had been active in thread (he had 6 posts in last 30 minutes).
When he answered, he said "the meeting is now over". There is only one town motivation:
Sno had a meeting that started just when Oats asked the question. I am not buying it.
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On September 17 2013 23:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 17 2013 23:18 kushm4sta wrote:
stfu with your wifom. i don't care how many comm games you play, you are wrong hella often and this is one of those times.
scum might answer that way or they might stfu and not say anything or they might say zomg you are lying. There is a range of possible scum responses.
There is also a range of possible town responses. THEY OVERLAP. Sn0's repsonse was standard town. Your argument is pure wifom. The point is not what Sno's answer was. The point is it took Sno 30 minutes to answer while before that he had been active in thread (he had 6 posts in last 30 minutes). When he answered, he said "the meeting is now over". There is only one town motivation: Sno had a meeting that started just when Oats asked the question. I am not buying it. A meeting?? OR he had to take a shit. or he was playing a video game, or he was DOING ANYTHING LOL. Your assumptions are WIFOM.
HE FUCKING SAID HE HAD A MEETING!
On September 17 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oh hi meeting done.
I don't think I'd believe you Oats since I've been immunized with too many fake-claims recently. Plus, reasonably if you were a rolecop and you copped OP its not worth revealing your role to save a 3p survivor (IMO) unless you have a certain scum lynch instead (which I don't see). Which makes it more likely that you would be fake-claiming. Etc.
Oats re "scumslip": I mentioned that Zealos would have to have been "dropped as a child" to post that as scum.
wtf is wrong with you kush?
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On September 17 2013 23:29 kushm4sta wrote:
k so why couldn't he have had a meeting?
Yes he could. I just don't buy the fact he suddenly had a meeting JUST when Oats asked him about BH. Maybe you buy it, i don't. Besides that there is nothing in his filter that tells me he is town. He was okay with lynching Zealos later on D2.
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On September 17 2013 23:35 kushm4sta wrote:
WHAT have grack and pandain done since d1 in terms of scumhunting??????????
Nothing. You can add everyone besides me, you, Oats, Koshi and maybe debears to that list too.
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Let's lynch Snodude because it's fun!
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So people who are town:
[green]Oats, Grack, Umasi, Koshi, kush[green].
Pandain had a strong late-D1. On N1 he went MIA. Hasn't done anything since and it worries me.
debears doesn't give a fuck. kush had a good point in him not elaborating on stuff asked. That's how he has rolled with me too. Probably scum or SK.
SnB i talked about already. Scum. Wanted to hunt for SK on N2. t_T Hasn't done anything.
One of Sno/Zealos is probably scum. In case it's Zealos, SnB is prolly town. In case it's Sno, then it is.
Vayne hasn't done anything after the first 12h into the game. I am not sure if it makes him scum because he is stubborn. Could be SK, could be scum, could be town, cop him plz if you have not already.
I would have wanted to talk with Oats more at some point on N2 but he was MIA at that time. Bleh, i hope he figures the game out if i die. Good luck townies!
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Umasi please post the logs or rephrase your convos throughout the day. In case you die that's important!
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