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On September 12 2013 08:28 Koshi wrote: This looks so much like Sicilian. I am leading SnB wagon of justice and VA his scumbuddy is trying to protect him. Could it be? Or not? Who knows. See what happens in the next episode "when Koshi wakes up". gn lol regardless of what you think my alignment is do i really remind you of sicillian? if i do ive failed. On September 12 2013 08:25 Grackaroni wrote: You say interesting but it sounds like the implication you are trying to make is that it's scummy. What is scummy about it? I wanted to know if S&B agrees with what you said about his meta and if he actually thinks you would be able to have such a strong read on him already as town. I never put much stock in my day1 reads, especially this early, so for somebody to come into the thread already certain about S&B's alignment seems scummy to me. grack you haven't said anything about my response. do you think strongly defending townreads early day1 like vayne has been doing is scummy in general? | ||
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On September 12 2013 09:34 goodkarma wrote: Hi guys  Hey gk what do you think of the koshi/me/grack/va situation? | ||
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On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. Hmmm, I actually kind of agree with you in regards to that specific comment. Have to figure out how much weight to give that relative to my general impression of va atm. | ||
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Really not what I was looking for. You don't think there's any information in there about any of those people's alignmentS? | ||
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Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler + Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO. Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal. Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do. I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things... Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from... Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different... Anyway non rayne notes. Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread. Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is bad and wrong. We lynch people who are not willing to help town. Getting rid of distractions sooner is better than thinking if we can get rid of them anymore later on. Mafia Agenda 101 from Professor Ace right here. | ||
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some other notes - but how does my case on rayn "say nothing"? I give my heuristic, which has worked in the past, for telling scum rayn from town rayn, and I tell town why he's falling on the scum side of that heuristic. Saying I "say nothing" is a total lie, and makes me further think rayn is scum. rayn again is just asserting that old partner's thread entry was worse than pandains'. either he really is playing at the completely simplistic level "making reads on people always equals town no matter who those people are or what the justifications are that are given", or he is scum. I don't think rayn is that simplistic. but he keeps yelling about this thing. rayn's also wrong about breadcrumbs. keep up the stupid, rayn. koshi thinks im not committing to my read on rayn. why fake commitment when i wasn't sure? i'm not gonna just bullshit run around calling people scum, then no one will believe me when i really am serious. i'm gonna be honest with the town, when i'm unsure i will let them know about it. rayn says my read is based on "op's questions". that is a lie. it's based on the way rayn gets into arguments being different when he's town vs scum. | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good. However, what's wrong in that post is: 1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post? 2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck. 3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. fuck man i told you i posted from class. the timing is independent of the content of the post, that post contained my whole analysis of like thirty pages of thread and was in no way a response to timing. if you think i'm lying then say so but seriously fuck you. | ||
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On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? another scummy post. just cause "no one asked about" rayn's meta, i shouldn't talk about it even though it informs my read on him that i'm trying to share with the town? Rayn is trying to shift discussion off of my points on him and back onto how I wasn't posting a lot. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Aperture mafia FIRST POST! Aperture mafia POST GAME (no reason to lie)! If this is not a straight out lie i do not know what this is. There is no possible town!motivation for the lie. just jumping in if I read you instantly as town in aperture and I can't read you as town here maybe taht indicates you are scum? (the hard part of reading you was when you were scum in got. it took me a while to figure it out. but if you're saying I'm "lying" because I got a good townread on you quickly last game, then that's bullshit. Determining when you're scum is hard.) on page 38 atm | ||
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On September 14 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: lol. 1) never said your case is bad. 2) Never said SnB is town because you two are voting for him. 3) You start calling people scum when they disagree with you (ie dibbers/OP) How do you expect people to play this game when you attempt to pre-emptively shut down any contribution they make? This is exactly how you got me mislynched in Persona so i suggest you check your play, Rayn. Although I'm pretty sure this kind of play makes you town---I think it'd be really impressive if you could reproduce this play as scum. (On that note, in Rayn's recent scumgame, did he play this way? Does anyone know?) Now if you calm your tits, I'll get to SnB. he did | ||
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On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes: (1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? (2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game: + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM. Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad. Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB? (3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions. (5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all.. Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy. let me answer these things. [1] If someone disagrees with my interpretations of your meta and the difference between your scum and town games, they have yet to say so. It really boils down quite simply to "you fuck up the thread and argue constantly as both alignments, but when you're scum you do so over things that don't matter / over misinterpretations or nitpickings of peoples' posts" [2] answered this already. you're obviously nitpicking a single game here, when i've played 2-3? games in a row with you and many more total. Plus, you're nitpicking in terms of reasoning. I didn't give any reasoning at all in those posts you quoted, how do you know it was anything but a gut read which happened to be right (hint: it was that). If you came across as so obviously town in aperture and i don't get a town feeling from you at all this game, probably means either (1) I was telling the truth about you being hard to read, or (2) you're not town this game and you really are easy for me to read. But this is the central point you've been ranting about for like twenty pages, and it's completely a nitpick. 3 I never said OP's questions were good. I don't give a single fuck about those questions. I said your argument about them with vayne or wos or whoever was a bad argument that you were having for bad reasons. Whether or not OP's questions were good, you spent several pages quibbling about them when the game had moved along quite far after the questions, and nothing productive was gained by you going back-and-forth about them. You're nitpicking and making up reasons to go after me again. [5] Only notes about you? 3 out of 9 notes in that post were about you. you're making shit up to support your scumread on me again and hoping nobody catches you. | ||
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oh really? In got you were scum and had 23 pages of aggressive, argumentative, quibbly, nitpicky filter where you pushed mislynches and ran the thread into the ground. how is that different from what you're doing here? | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage. IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE.... Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. On September 13 2013 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: Also, just from kind of reading/skimming the thread so far, I really think OP and Panda are both terrible lynches. They are not the kind of people who I think make good d1 lynches. You don't lynch people who are vocal, not spamming, good players on D1. All my mafia experience has taught me it always ends up lynching potentially useful town. (see WoS lynch d1 in persona). On September 14 2013 04:08 kushm4sta wrote: Rofl rayne you do this every game. Contradiction does not equal scum. You get tunneled on people for terrible reasons. Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that? those are not the kind of posts i expect from scum kush. at the very least i dont want to lynch him yet. | ||
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