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On September 12 2013 15:14 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 14:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play
Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance.
And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge Do you think that Pandain is scum? No. You didnt read his post to see what he actually said (you misinterpreted it)
What did I misinterpret? You have a reason to believe he is town?
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On September 12 2013 15:50 Papa_Smurf wrote:
He didn't call you and kush out as lynch targets for being bad (which was the primary point of your scumread on him).
When he said "bad read" about you it meant "scum read" pretty obviously by how he described your posting.
Then kush is playing scummy in itself (although that's normal for him as town and scum). "Posting like shit" doesn't mean bad (unless he has a town read on kush). It means he's playing anti-town
At least that's what I discerned.
I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players.
Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.
I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior.
Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior.
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On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote:
Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers.
Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise.
Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up.
I think this post was a backtrack from the original post because he knew that he was saying he wanted to lynch Kush regardless of his alignment and that the previous post pointed towards him being scum
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I didn't even notice the zealous point but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that. He probably just searched for all lurking players and listed them. It seems like a contradiction I could make as town
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On September 12 2013 16:28 Koshi wrote:
I can wait a bit on the other Europeans to wake up.
SnB can be town obviously. But meh. Could lynch.
Pandain pretty bad entry.
OP pretty cool guy. Not going to lynch.
Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance.
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On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote:Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush Koshi for aforementioned reasons. Kush for his valuable contributions. And Grack: Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 14:31 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit. 2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. 3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??) 4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it? 5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices 6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I don't believe that Pandain has any interest in hunting scum. ##Vote: Pandain I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 15:50 Papa_Smurf wrote:
He didn't call you and kush out as lynch targets for being bad (which was the primary point of your scumread on him).
When he said "bad read" about you it meant "scum read" pretty obviously by how he described your posting.
Then kush is playing scummy in itself (although that's normal for him as town and scum). "Posting like shit" doesn't mean bad (unless he has a town read on kush). It means he's playing anti-town
At least that's what I discerned. I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players.
Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior. Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior. Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one? Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 16:28 Koshi wrote:
I can wait a bit on the other Europeans to wake up.
SnB can be town obviously. But meh. Could lynch.
Pandain pretty bad entry.
OP pretty cool guy. Not going to lynch. Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance. Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit.
There is so much wrong with this post.
Firstly I'm suspicious of people who come in and say that Kush has one of the best chances to flip mafia when not everybody has even posted.(I could have a scum read on kush through process of elimination) If town he is the go to mislynch for mafia and I think that mafia are more-likely to push on somebody like kush. Other players have suggested to policy lynch him (also scummy imo, especially if you have no other scum read), but saying he is likely mafia is even scummier to me.
In response to Blubbdavid's case:
You think I'm wrong, great, Both townies and mafia can be wrong.
Vigging kush is the correct play(unless he starts playing the game), its not even a discussion.
Why wouldn't I want other peoples opinions on my case if I'm town? How am I supposed to get reads otherwise?
He is throwing shit on me only because I have already had shit thrown against me from other players. This post in particular isn't analyzing both possibilities of me being mafia or town, (I could be town and want other players opinion, lots of people in other games have said the same thing I said about kush without being on a scumteam with him) I think Blubbdavid decided beforehand. I'm going to put a scumread on Grack, and then searched through my filter for things he could twist into me being scum.
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On September 13 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How's Grack generating discussion? The way i see it is that he is the topic of discussion.
I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP.
I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment.
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On September 12 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Grack says that because he never has strong reads on Day 1 it looks scummy to him that VA is capable to have strong reads. Grack questions VA about it and then drops his suspicion on VA because he accepts that VA is different than him and possible can have strong reads early on.
You disagree? Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 07:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
sup nerds, few concerns
why did blubbdavid come into the thread and say hi then peace completely? he was here yet had nothing to contribute to the game.
SnB is town, get votes off him. just played scum with him and this is obvious already In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do?
I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!"
The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT.
Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him.
It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me.
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On September 13 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How's Grack generating discussion? The way i see it is that he is the topic of discussion. I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you?
Frankly I don't know what you are going on about, I have played with you twice before and I have never been this pro-town before. It's ridiculous that I'm even a point of discussion.
I completely shut down WoS' points.
Yes, there could be a mafia motivation for me to ask S&B that question
There is also a town motivation for me to ask that question,
His storyline for me being scum didn't make any sense (if I was scum, I got exactly what I was looking for from S&B and could have pushed Vayne more) so it is more likely coming from a townie.
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On September 13 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:24 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote:
Grack says that because he never has strong reads on Day 1 it looks scummy to him that VA is capable to have strong reads. Grack questions VA about it and then drops his suspicion on VA because he accepts that VA is different than him and possible can have strong reads early on.
You disagree? Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: On September 12 2013 08:01 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 07:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
sup nerds, few concerns
why did blubbdavid come into the thread and say hi then peace completely? he was here yet had nothing to contribute to the game.
SnB is town, get votes off him. just played scum with him and this is obvious already In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do? I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!" The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me. I am a bit lost here. Do you think Vayne is scummy or not, because that's not clear to me?
I'm not sure about Vayne, I'll break it down.
I thought Vayne was scummy
Multiple people said they understood Vayne's post from a town perspective
I realized that Vayne was a different player than myself and moved on to other people
Now I have no idea what alignment vayne is and I'm just not going to factor vayne's town read into my read.
On September 13 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Is blubdavid new?
His other options being bad or heavily anti-town. Either way I'm hoping he can come up with something better than pre-flip association accusations based on his assumption that *kush* is scum.
Otherwise I'm having a hard time keeping who is who straight since there are all these dumb names like OP and PS and Grak and w/e.
Blubbdavid is not new, I have played with him before.
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@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.
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On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: Show nested quote +1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?
There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.
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On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game?
lol please don't make me read through that guys posts
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@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread.
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On September 13 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. He seems like an over-zealous townie to me who is calling you & Koshi scum for wrong reasons.
what exactly in his posts reads townie to you? The way I see it he is just grasping at straws in order to paint me as scum. and less experienced players are more prone to jumping on kush as a scum read because he is blatantly anti-town. (note not scum, anti-town)
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On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game? lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier..
I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts.
Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion.
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On September 13 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. He seems like an over-zealous townie to me who is calling you & Koshi scum for wrong reasons. what exactly in his posts reads townie to you? The way I see it he is just grasping at straws in order to paint me as scum. and less experienced players are more prone to jumping on kush as a scum read because he is blatantly anti-town. (note not scum, anti-town) The way he approaches the game. Aggressively and calling people out with weak reasons, not being afraid of drawing attention to himself. He's either town or very good scum. I think the former, do you know if he's good as scum?
No I don't think he's really strong scum. I think calling out people with weak reasons is a big case for why Blubdavid is scum.
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On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game? lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy.
His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK.
Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
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On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game? lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy. His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK. Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
This to me seems like behavior that would come from a less experienced scum player, and his choice of lynch targets helps reinforce that view.
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I am going to rescind my vote on Pandain and move it to Blubbdavid. My main point on Pandain had to do with him calling me bad and wanting to lynch bad rather than scum. Nobody else in the thread has read his post in the way that I have so I could be mistaken.
##Vote: Blubbdavid
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