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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
September 19 2013 17:32 GMT
#3261
@Vayne: I am not scum. Koshi thought that Pandain's intro post was scummy as well and he wasn't scum either. Your reasoning isn't good. If you are town please re-evaluate your reads, eventually you will be lynched because of your continued lack of reasoning and it could very well cost us the game.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 17:38 GMT
#3262
no it's more the fact that you piggybacked onto stuff like that so early. Koshi was scum to me for more meta reasons and the fact that he wasn't doing anything, using people's town reads on him as an excuse to just idly stand by. I will be looking over day 1 again and comparing it to what happens in the final few hours here.
I come in for the scraps
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
September 19 2013 17:43 GMT
#3263
##unvote
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 17:45 GMT
#3264
On September 20 2013 02:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
no it's more the fact that you piggybacked onto stuff like that so early. Koshi was scum to me for more meta reasons and the fact that he wasn't doing anything, using people's town reads on him as an excuse to just idly stand by. I will be looking over day 1 again and comparing it to what happens in the final few hours here.

So you are already admitting doing nothing any more in this phase?
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 17:47 GMT
#3265
On September 20 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 02:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
no it's more the fact that you piggybacked onto stuff like that so early. Koshi was scum to me for more meta reasons and the fact that he wasn't doing anything, using people's town reads on him as an excuse to just idly stand by. I will be looking over day 1 again and comparing it to what happens in the final few hours here.

So you are already admitting doing nothing any more in this phase?


yea, the deadline is in a few hours if you werent aware. 4 if i recall. Need to read over the votes from day 1 and compare them to here but im pretty sure grack is the correct lynch today.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 17:49 GMT
#3266
with zealos not being a viable option anymore, ill be interested to see where those votes go. should explain whats going on in this game
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Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
September 19 2013 17:53 GMT
#3267
well for me, not kush, because his reaction to the case on zealos, where he actually seemed to consider it
and I'm getting kind of an ominous feeling from my qt with smurf, but I can't actually explain why. not because it's like, private, but because I'm totally lost. He's seemed pro-town, but it still does not..feel right?
fuck it.
Still thinking it over, /afk for a bit
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 19 2013 17:54 GMT
#3268
On September 20 2013 01:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats is the best lynch at this point, ever since push on day1 for BH he hasn't given any fleshed out reasoning for anyone being scum. He gave 2 different conclusions on my alignment with the same reasoning (lack of reasoning) and the only thing that had changed during that time was that thread sentiment (Rayn) was in favor of lynching me. I would no longer characterize his play as in your face, now it seems much more passive and shifty.

He was also trying to take all the credit for the wagon on BH in his talks with me night one and when people bought that BH was survivor he was against lynching him. BH only got lynched day2 because of WoS' flip. Oats pushing BH Day1 doesn't mean he has to be town. There is no rule that scum cannot be afk for deadlines and there was no way he expected BH to be lynched. He was a replacement, nobody was going to listen to him and he could have voted basically anyone he wanted to. He could have pushed BH not expecting for BH to have to vote switch and gather up town cred later if BH flipped in a later round.

Oats is our best chance at scum today.
##Vote: Oatsmaster

Im sorry what? I hard defended BH day 2. Also Im totally the reason the wagon almost succeeded. Dont fool yourself.


What I meant by no reason claim, is that there is literally no reason to claim. Thats scummy.
If you have a scum read for no reason, thats townie.

See the difference in Reasons? Of course not, because you are scum.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 19 2013 17:57 GMT
#3269
ok my last 100% read.
IS THAT VAYNE IS SCUM.

And Grack is town.
Wheeeee.
Vayne has been a lot less egoistical than normal. And he has been a lot less involved than normal other than shouting LYNCH PANDAIN AND GRACK GUYS. Also cause I think kush is town and therefore wrong, that means that Vayne is trying to piggyback kush's push and other dudes pushes and look active while being totally fucking useless.

Lynch this dude. Will flip red or black. 100%.
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 18:01 GMT
#3270
On September 20 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok my last 100% read.
IS THAT VAYNE IS SCUM.

And Grack is town.
Wheeeee.
Vayne has been a lot less egoistical than normal. And he has been a lot less involved than normal other than shouting LYNCH PANDAIN AND GRACK GUYS. Also cause I think kush is town and therefore wrong, that means that Vayne is trying to piggyback kush's push and other dudes pushes and look active while being totally fucking useless.

Lynch this dude. Will flip red or black. 100%.


If I wouldn't get modkilled I could say a lot more stuff. Nothing here you say makes sense anyway since I was pushing these people light years before kush.

and please, useless coming from oats? Don't make me laugh. all you do is spam one liners.
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 18:07 GMT
#3271
Okay lynch Vayne.
I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses.

Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 18:08 GMT
#3272
On September 20 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay lynch Vayne.
I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses.

Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum.


could I get an english translation?
I come in for the scraps
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 18:19 GMT
#3273
On September 20 2013 03:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok my last 100% read.
IS THAT VAYNE IS SCUM.

And Grack is town.
Wheeeee.
Vayne has been a lot less egoistical than normal. And he has been a lot less involved than normal other than shouting LYNCH PANDAIN AND GRACK GUYS. Also cause I think kush is town and therefore wrong, that means that Vayne is trying to piggyback kush's push and other dudes pushes and look active while being totally fucking useless.

Lynch this dude. Will flip red or black. 100%.


If I wouldn't get modkilled I could say a lot more stuff. Nothing here you say makes sense anyway since I was pushing these people light years before kush.

and please, useless coming from oats? Don't make me laugh. all you do is spam one liners.

Yeah, kush was pushing Pandain and debears on D2. He was also questioning Grackaroni about his scumgames.
What did you do. Oh yeah, you concluded that the scumteam is Grack/rayn/Koshi.

No, you were not pushing these people before kush, it's a lie.

Another lie is that you made a case on blubbers. You didn't. The three posts you quoted when i asked told this:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 17 2013 23:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 12:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea not just him WoS, the blubbdavid guy did the same thing -_- just posted a one liner and peaced out. Wouldn't mind a vig taking out either of those guys. If they aren't going to give us content, I don't want to be the one stuck at lylo with them.

and I see you spotted the same thing I did in that grackaroni post, so glad we're on the same page. I disagree on that alone being vote worthy, but it definitely got me suspicious.

I think I can safely say you aren't 3rd party this game


Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 12 2013 21:01 blubbdavid wrote:
I went to bed after saying hi.

I have my eye on Koshi. Not only have his opening posts been as useful as a wet sack of dead flies, that scumhunting of his against SnB

SnB is feeling uncomfortable.
Not having the best start SnB? D:

and some other posts have led to that bandwagon. A very not so justified wagon.

further:
On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:
On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those?

Reasons are in the thread.
SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target.
WoS for general uselessness.
Pandain for worst opening post.
Goodkarma, not impressed.

On September 12 2013 08:28 Koshi wrote:
This looks so much like Sicilian. I am leading SnB wagon of justice and VA his scumbuddy is trying to protect him. Could it be? Or not? Who knows. See what happens in the next episode "when Koshi wakes up".
for now ##Vote: Koshi
gn

SnB has very well given you a scumtarget in the form of VA.
Now SnB and VA are not on my scumradar, they rather look like two butthurt townies. But I will look into them further.

and lastly:
On September 12 2013 13:35 kushm4sta wrote:
honestly i dont even care if i get mislynched d1. d1 sucks azz anyway.

/martyr

If you want to help town, then how should this post be useful in anyway?


blubbdavid I would like your opinion on what you think of my analysis, it will tell me a lot of your alignment.

Ok so you pick a random person that is pretty much null to everyone in Koshi and decide to push him. ok great.

but wait your entire case just consists of his posting is "bad" which isn't really indicative of anything, just your opinion. Also note that koshi plays way worse as town.

You then go on to say that me and SnB just look like "butthurt" townies, perhaps trying to somehow gain some cred with us but then you leave us open to suspicion by saying "you will look into us later"

wtf?

then for good measure you throw in a bad kush quote and say that the posting is trash, well ok we all knew that. illusionary participation.


Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would disagree on WoS, his opening post was solid and real life should never be taken into account when forming scum reads. If you really want to look into it though, he's usually town when he gives these excuses since he probably gets really paranoid or whatever that people will think he's scum.

I can't read onegu for shit, so I honestly couldn't care less if he's vigged or whatever. He looks really scummy to me as both alignments in every game so no comment there.

Blubb's response to my case was satisfactory so doubt ill be leaving my vote there by the end of this cycle, but he needs to do a lot more then just that.



chronological order. I really did want to take my vote off blubb but had something to do at work and I couldn't be around for the time near the lynch. If I'm gonna get lynched for the second time due to real life reasons then so be it.


1) You put WoS and blubbers into same category, that's not a case, you say they are lurkers
2) You say what blubbers has done, you don't tell how that makes him scum, that's not a case
3) This is hilarious, you defend blubbers, definitely not a case.

So you never had a case on blubbers.

Another funny thing is that debears at some point agreed with "Vayne and friends" that blubbers is scummy. lol, Vayne has never made a case on blubbers.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 18:20 GMT
#3274
Another lie is that Vayne says he has been pushing people. Vayne hasn't been pushing a single person in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 18:22 GMT
#3275
On September 20 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay lynch Vayne.
I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses.

Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum.


could I get an english translation?

I have been encouraging people to look into D1 votes and making analyses about them.
You have ignored the analyses, you have not looked into D1 voting.
Now you say that's important but it's "too late" to look into it before D3 ends.

Townies look into important things. You are not willing to do so. You are not willing to comment on analysis regarding those important things. Therefore you are not town.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 19 2013 18:22 GMT
#3276
Vayne's never pushed anybody in his life I don't think.

Admittedly this is only my 2nd game with him but he was town last time.

Could lynch, prefer dibbers.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 18:26 GMT
#3277
if you want to talk about lies lets go over these posts

you say kush was pushing pandain and debears on day 2. First off, I am not pushing debears in any way. Second off, Kush hasn't at any point actually voted for pandain, which means he isn't actually pushing them.

I thought pandain was town day 1 but it has become apparent as the game progresses that his reads just suit his needs, demonstrated by his 180 on me with no reasoning. I have shown why grack/pandain are the most likely to flip scum.

The posts you quoted aren't the case on blubbers, so good job lying again. The post is right after my post with the sorting hat GIF.

I have no reason to make a case on debears, because I do not find him scummy.

Please find any game of mine where I actively push people

checkmate virgin

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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 18:27 GMT
#3278
On September 20 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 20 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay lynch Vayne.
I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses.

Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum.


could I get an english translation?

I have been encouraging people to look into D1 votes and making analyses about them.
You have ignored the analyses, you have not looked into D1 voting.
Now you say that's important but it's "too late" to look into it before D3 ends.

Townies look into important things. You are not willing to do so. You are not willing to comment on analysis regarding those important things. Therefore you are not town.



On September 18 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
like a 0% chance that I die but in case I do, I cannot stress this enough after that flip

don't forget about koshi/grack/kush/pandain vote shenanigans from day 1.

don't need to be a rocket science just take a quick glance through the voting thread.

koshi is on SnB wagon then switches to blubb when that isn't happening. then later in the game blames me constantly for lynching blubb. hypocritical and terrible logic all balled into one big bag of scum. His incessant push on me as he uses rayn to talk for him leaves me pretty much confirmed on this.

Grack is one of the first people on OP, ok cool. Then when he is about to be lynched, he ninja vote switches. Suspicious much? between that and the other minor points ive been concerned about is enough to have me giving him a good chance to flip red.

Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense

Pandain - this one is the strangest. This guy literally went ape shit about OP being lynched despite having a cool head the whole game. Who hard buddies as scum that badly? that's what is throwing me off. I dont know his play though, and he could have just panicked as scum.

SnB - this guy to a much lesser extent, I don't see that random zealos push being scum motivated. Very similar to pandain, too obvious to be scum or just scum? You guys decide if I die.

Think that's pretty much it. I believe the mason claim because you can't fake that unless both scum and what a incredibly dumb and risky play that would be. Shame that we have a mason though, not a particularly good role.



O rly? you can stop lying now, you look pathetic and desperate again.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 19 2013 18:29 GMT
#3279
im not surprised though, seems like were at the point in the game where people just spam caps and write lies to try and get last second majority. Maybe rayn is the SK after all, because he's really trying to remove one of the last players actually trying to play here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 18:34 GMT
#3280
Write a clear case on Grackaroni / Pandain and we'll see.
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