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On August 29 2013 11:56 yamato77 wrote: I think my vote speaks for itself. Has Marv done anything particularly useful or even commented on anything yet? No. I want him to play the game. If he's town, it's not difficult. Seems like a bit of a premature read considering he was only around for the first hour of gameplay - and reading the first few pages shows pretty much nothing, just people who are playing around since there's literally nothing to go off during the first few hours. | ||
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Is that really the path you're going to go down? | ||
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On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote: Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order. 1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason. 2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though. 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. Sn0, not really - reading his second post makes it look like he skimmed the thread, unvoted and went off to sleep or something. If he was around for hours I would've expected more than 2 posts there. debears - Agreed, mainly so far just due to the fact he's pushing on a lynch based on an exaggerated statement - at least I assume it was exaggerated. Given the rest of the post I'm quoting, maybe it's not but I saw it as being exaggerated. yamato - He's not avoiding discussion (I think), I just think his read on marv is weak. | ||
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On August 29 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia at the time you wrote this post what was yamato's read on marv in your opinion and why? Useless marv = scum marv was my impression. I don't have meta experience with marv so I don't know how much that holds but I mean it's stated pretty obviously in his post. Are you giving me a reading comprehension test or is this actually leading to something? | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: At this point i really don't see anyone being mafia other than FT, Sylencia and Tutankoopa. Who's your top scumread(s) marv? How do you end up having a scum read on me literally every game on D1? | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait you just contradicted yourself right? ? I don't have experience with the meta of marv, I was assuming yamato does, and he pretty much said it in one of his posts. On August 29 2013 11:56 yamato77 wrote: I think my vote speaks for itself. Has Marv done anything particularly useful or even commented on anything yet? No. I want him to play the game. If he's town, it's not difficult. | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pretty much because if i am mafia you are pretty easy to attack, or if i am town you in my opinion comment on stuff i find irrelevant at that time. This game basically PoE atm. What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave. In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves. | ||
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I was reading filters, reached hopeless's one and his posts lead me to sn0's filter, which lead me to the same conclusion as FT | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you elaborate more on this, which post exactly and why? What's your thought process? I posted it before | ||
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On August 29 2013 21:44 Sylencia wrote: What's PoE, and what a brave self-incriminating sentence if you were scum. Too bad I don't see anything really different to your P4 play That said, Sn0 is on the list for the same reason as FT. They both read, then both post crap a few hours later with the implication that they've read everything and then leave. In Sn0's case he says he finds himself satisfied with his vote, meaning he found something scummy with scrib, but then unvotes saying it was utter bs and leaves. 2nd half - the process from hopeless was there was a mention about Sn0, hopeless said it showed he was actively reading, so I took a look and it looked pretty dumb | ||
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1/2) On August 29 2013 13:19 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm surprisingly content with where my vote is. It was, of course, utter bullshit though so It's coming off. Hopefully there will be something interesting in the morning. ##Unvote p.s. PLS BASED RAYN NO SPAMS Saying "I'm content with my vote" suggests that scrib did nothing to show he was town/was still just as scummy to Sn0. Which means he's read what's happened in the 5 hours between his posts. The flipflop between being content then backing off doesn't really make sense to me. My thought process behind that is to reduce the chances of the one you're voting for (scrib in this case) tunnelling you / making hard cases against you early. Lurking/disappearing with no vote is easier to get away with than disappearing with a vote on someone as scum. Firm: On August 29 2013 10:31 FirmTofu wrote: Hi, I'm here. Reading now. I predict rayn is gonna call me out on this post and accuse me of being scum. Idk if that says he's reading, but in my opinion it says they are reading. | ||
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On August 30 2013 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote: NVM I lied. Syl I need some help reconciling the difference between this post (which was SPOT on by the way, I was impressed with how accurate it was). Bolded for emphasis on the relevant part. And your later stuff: I'm not so much a fan of this 180 since you had me pegged in the first one. Hopeless's filter does NOT reveal anything that would change that read I don't think. First time was a quick filter dive to see what scribs was going on about - I took what was said at a very basic level and gave a gut reading on it. Second time round, I'm reading filters more in depth, I'm actually looking at the context around posts, and I found it to be worse this time (in addition, while you mention hopeless's posts give no alignment indication which is why I went to yours after I read his, I'm pretty sure active lurking is what scum is after). Anyways, sleep time hopefully you guys don't spam this to 40 pages | ||
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On August 30 2013 05:38 debears wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia Where you been dude? As big as our spiders and snakes are, Australians do have to sleep too On August 30 2013 07:25 Hapahauli wrote: Contradictions aren't always scummy, but I think this one is. I really can't map out a town thought-process in what he did. It seems like he forgot he defended Sn0, then attacked him instead when pressed for reads. Not really, I was more swayed by further reasoning after reading filters and putting some more serious thought into it. I explained it before, and I'll explain it again: - Scrib asks for opinions on his initial reads - I haven't looked into sn0 that hard, so I take a quick look at his filter. Doesn't look too bad. Say that, move on. Later on, we've got the part where I'm reading other filters. Hopeless mentions sn0 was saying stuff to prove he was "actively reading". He never said sn0 was scum, but I go and check sn0's filter again and actually properly analysing it gave me the feeling of "Hey guys, I've read everything in the past 5 hours, but I've got nothing to say except I'm happy with my vote on scrib. JK, unvote." Pretty sure I've explained this already. @Hapa Would you actually prefer it if I played to my meta rather than trying to be more active? There's something called trying to improve, my day 1s are still horrible than ever but I've actually tried to do something useful for us this game and it's not allowed for meta reasons Updated reads incoming in like 5-6 hours when I get back because catching up took my entire lunch break | ||
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FT: Easily a decent lynch option here, generally you follow a declaration of presence with something, but he's gone mia for the last day. I'd support a lynch on FT. Tutan: I'm reading up on him and the reasoning behind the votes behind him. I disagree with Hopeless's reasons and while Oats's accusations can make sense, it follows the same reasoning that if Tutan's sheep was a joke, the case around him kind of falls apart: On August 29 2013 20:19 Oatsmaster wrote: It didnt read to me as a joke AT all and he never mentions that its a joke. I said that mafia generally do not draw attention to themselves. Tuken was not proposing a policy lynch, he was just following yamato. So thats not too attention drawing. Also if I didnt push him and all that, we would not be talking about him at all. So he didnt draw attention to himself. His vote was in the first hour, and is his vote any worse than Hopeless's vote which sheeped yours? If you apply it to one, it should apply to the other right? Basically, I don't feel comfortable with a Tutan lynch - unless I missed something (I am not reading rayn's filter). More soonish | ||
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On August 30 2013 17:22 Tutankoopa wrote: Syl I think there are things more deserving of your attention than what you chose to post about. What are your thoughts regarding thread sentiment, and has anything stuck out at you from any of the major discussions? In regards to the players whom I've played with before, nothing really sticks out as being out of the ordinary from when they've been town. The only thing I'm concerned about going into D1 lynch is that we've spread ourselves thin on lynch targets for the day. It's fine that we're suspecting each other but if everyone suspects someone else then we're not going to be able to coordinate a proper lynch and scum can manipulate us rather easily. I doubt this would ever pass but considering we have 5 people with votes on them at the moment - would it be wrong to suggest that we stick to the 5 listed and consolidate on them instead? Note: This doesn't mean that we completely ignore the rest of the town, but considering there's only about 12 hours left in the day, those cases can be put forward N1 onwards. This will also help us prevent unwanted last minute bandwagons on someone completely irrelevant and we remain focused on the main suspects. Pretty sure I went off topic there, but it's something I was considering before. On August 30 2013 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am far interested in Sylencia's last post than Onegu. What are you interested in? | ||
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On August 30 2013 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia i am interested in the fact that you lean town on Tutankoopa and your reasons for it are the bad cases from Oats and Hopeless (that's reasonable). What's not reasonable is that you are unwilling to comment on anything i have said about him and justifying it by saying "i'm not reading rayn's filter". That is bullshit. If you are unable to read 5 pages of filter you are not gonna be an asset for the town no later than N1 because almost all filters are gonna be 5 pages at then. So you claim you don't want to read the only real accusations against Tutan. You clim you are gonna be useless later on in the game. What gives? Yeah, that was pretty lazy, and I did say "unless I'm missing something". Sounds like I was missing something, so I'll have to go and find it now. Don't go jumping down my throat assuming that I wasn't going to do it if I needed to. In terms of avoiding your filter, my mind makes it so hard for me to concentrate because I've got the preconception that the majority of your posts are spam (only because of what I saw in P4, nothing to do with this game). I read what you say as you say it, but I don't go back and read it again. It's hard. In addition, you're assuming that I'm going to be rereading every filter from start to finish every time I am off to read filters rather than what's new and some old for context. Anyways, you're making me go through your filter for the case so I'll go and do that. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tutankoopa: - I can't see any direction in his play - When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times. - He has apparently no reads at all. Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The difference is that's what Onegu always does as town and does not do as scum. Meta sucks, concentrate on the game at hand. If it's worse, and you think Tutan is scum, Onegu should be way higher on the list. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:43 yamato77 wrote: I have to find a lynch candidate before I sleep. give me bullet point on the case on hopeless, not going to reread to find it Between FT/Hopeless/Onegu which would you vote for? I think you mentioned FT being decent, but is it better than the other 2? | ||
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I mentioned it before - No real reads since the case on debears dropped - Pushes on FT for an easy lurker lynch - gives him no reason to have to make a case - His posts have had some quantity with no quality to it. I think it's worse than Tutan, and I don't have much meta on Onegu so it's pretty neutral in that respect. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: no yamato, lets not lynch a lurker, it like never ever works. I don't really remember a time in any of my games when full lurker ends up being scum. | ||
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@Tutan, I was saying that before... Anyways, everyone was complaining that I didn't comment on Hopeless. At the time I was going to read his filter again, he got replaced. I don't even know what to say in that kind of situation. Are we supposed to wait for Slam to comment on the happenings of town? Was I supposed to put down a vote on Alakaslam in the 1 hour the was in the game before I slept because he was being useless and Hopeless wasn't exactly the most townie character in the game? I probably should've actually said that I wasn't going to vote for Slam to see what he said, but I didn't even wake up in time for the deadline T_T. | ||
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On August 31 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: BUT I'm vt. So if you don't want me to spam I can slow it down. Asking for reads though? Better be satisfied with "oats is town, Raynepelikoneet is town, ONEGU is town, I am town, and marv is null." Will have to do. I am too nervous to lead a mislynch, and I can't reason why anything is scummy. My WIFOM scale is as broad as the pacific, everything is WIFOM to me. Excuse to not provide anything? On September 01 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway we have about 15 minutes to the deadline (as I'm typing this), so I'll get some thoughts out of the way in-case I get shot. I'm pretty convinced that Marv, Sciberbia, and Rayn are town. The people out of that group right now is where I'm having difficulty. I have a lot of slight town-reads and not many scum-reads. As for tomorrow, I think the best course of action is to look at the vote count and try to see who was really trying to consolidate and help town (wiht the last minute vote) and who was not. I'd expect 1-2 scum to be off of the FT wagon. Sylencia is definetely a candidate to be scrutinized tomorrow, since he basically dropped a vote on Onegu with him having virtually no chance of getting lynched. Sylencia's play has been really strange this game. He's posting more, but is not nearly as productive as I've seen him in past games, and also has this really... "sad" air about him. Lots of frowny faces in his filter for some odd reason. He's someone I'm leaning scum on right now. I mentioned Yamato77 already. He's useful as town, and hasn't been at all useful this game. Unless he shapes up in a big way tomorrow, I wouldn't hate to dispatch of him. Alakaslam is someone who had his vote in the wrong place, but there are just these comments/lines in his filter towards the end of the day that sound remarkably genuine. Having coached several newbie games with him, I don't think he's difficult to read, and has a hard time staying genuine when he's scum. My gut-feel for this guy is town, but he definetely should be pressured to contribute. TK definetely deserves another look. He really wasn't moving his vote around much today, and I think we've given him far too much town-credit for his quick change-of-mind on Rayn early on Day 1. Circumstances, Hapa. I posted more which is different to normal because I was trying to make a bigger impact than normal since I'm always scrutinized for being a lurker. However, still struggling to work out how to deal with Day 1s, since the information is never as clear as when you probably remember me being more useful in later days. Assuming I make it to a later day, hopefully it'll show more. Day 2 Lynch - Wasn't unexpected - debears was the one who made the most convincing arguments and cases. Whether or not they were correct, scum probably feel pressured by this as a small slip would probably be picked up be him. Rayn seems to be confident knowing everything about the scum setup, and also (fake?)claimed multiple roles around debears revealing his breadcrumb. Follows up by saying debears is scum? Lol. 1 for 1 trade on debears life after a failed lynch is possible, timing is probably right for it too to start a fakeclaim war. On September 01 2013 18:04 sciberbia wrote: In case it's not obvious to the thread, I'm voting Oats because it looks like he CANNOT justify his 180 reversal on the TK read and he's taking the easy way out by voting Slam for lurking too much or whatever instead of writing any actual analysis on anyone. It's not just that he's in the thread less than normal -- it's that even when he's in the thread I just see absolutely no spark of townie insight or original analysis from him. There just isn't anything in his filter that looks like it would take him more than 10 seconds of brainstorming to come up with as scum:
Just seems like a super lazy scum game to me. I'll be very interested to hear feedback from you all because I don't see any reason not to lynch Oats today. I see Oats as more lazy/sheep at the moment. I don't really understand the jump from scum Tutan to town Tutan that much, but if he is scum there's going to be a lot more holes we uncover in the future, since that's pretty sloppy scum play if it is. That's why I'm not really satisfied with him being the primary target of the lynch when we have Alakaslam and the rayn v debears unresolved situation. Rayn will come back tomorrow saying "Sorry I was drunk last night, ignore everything I said", which honestly doesn't help us with his read on him, and Alakaslam: 3 - 4 hours later + the first quote I've put up there = stalling to do absolutely nothing. It doesn't look like he plans on being an asset to town whatsoever, and hopes to cruise along. ##Vote Alakaslam (need to see what happens with rayn before considering him more seriously) | ||
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Oats: Would you believe rayn to be a vet if he doesn't take it back? Cause it doesn't add up how debears and rayn both claim the same thing, with no town Vig claim (SK is the only real answer to this but everyone has already covered how having 2 vets seems unlikely) | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:50 marvellosity wrote: Still on Oats... to the bolded, how many 'holes' do you need to call him scum? sciberbia has pointed out a few already, do you need 10? 20? Do holes = scum? To the underlined, doesn't that much more characterise his scumplay than his townplay? Answers on a postcard please. It's not the number of holes, its the size of the hole that matters. If Oats not explaining a 180 on a town read is a mild hole, there's bound to be something bigger later. I'm just not fully convinced that he's scum because he's lazy and didn't explain it. As for Oat's scumplay I don't remember the last time I was scum with him. I'm sure I was in at least 1, but that was probably the newbie game where he claimed named VT? On September 01 2013 23:13 Onegu wrote: Not really again you never really pointed anything specific out you just voted me and left. And I dont understand the sentiment that someone being lynched that wagon should just stop because they were replaced. What, I made the very concise statement about your play at the time: - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. When I was comparing it with what rayn said about Tutan. Looked bad then and I wasn't going to be around for the deadline. And no, wagons don't stop because of a replacement but I was under the expectation that Alakaslam would either improve his image or be lynched. Fresh player with a completely different style makes for semi-easy confirmation about townieness. In this case, he's still be super useless and has literally dodged any attempt to make a case. Again: On August 31 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: BUT I'm vt. So if you don't want me to spam I can slow it down. Asking for reads though? Better be satisfied with "oats is town, Raynepelikoneet is town, ONEGU is town, I am town, and marv is null." Will have to do. I am too nervous to lead a mislynch, and I can't reason why anything is scummy. My WIFOM scale is as broad as the pacific, everything is WIFOM to me. On September 01 2013 17:32 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I have something to figure out. Either Raynepelikoneet or Oatsmaster is scum. It is 1:30 I must sleep. But I will say why and then go I am cannon fodder vt. Oats votes me Raynepelikoneet knows I'm town. Which is town more likely to do given the ambiguous target on my back? Paint me town or lead a mislynch on me? Or towncred vs mislynch what is more valuable to scum. See y'all tomorrow. How does this even happen? On September 02 2013 17:09 Alakaslam wrote: The reason I think it is important is because I am cannon fodder . I figure you don't wan to see me "claim" again, so I won't write . It is still there but it is invisible. Anyway, scum knows I'm , and no all that skilled at defense or any such stuff. So I am an easy target to paint for a mislynch. However I am also someone to gain towncred from, by suddenly and inexplicably discerning that I am town and later allowing me to be lynched, so actually they could both be scum and ahh shit WIFOM and it seems to break down. But is there anything to this? Why does Raynepelikoneet think I'm town? Why does Oatsmaster think I'm scum? But that has become why do so many agree with him? Tutankoopa has become a null read with Raynepelikoneet seeming less awesomely clairvoyant town to me. I haven't read him, and when I replaced I had no time to make any read. So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him. But Raynepelikoneet dropped targets too quick and I'm more suspicious of him now actually. So his reasoning for his read is based on what another player thinks. But wait, " Either Raynepelikoneet or Oatsmaster is scum." -> "Tutankoopa has become a null read with Raynepelikoneet seeming less awesomely clairvoyant town to me. I haven't read him, and when I replaced I had no time to make any read. So I left my vote on him because Raynepelikoneet didn't like him." Rayn is 50% chance of scum between these two, thus I'll just trust his read. How does that make sense at all? The rest of his filter is mostly fluff and not very useful information. Slam is a good lynch here. | ||
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On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either.. That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu? Er, P4 mafia I guess, but FT wasn't that lurky in P4 so it's still kinda different to his scum play LOL | ||
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If we haven't lost, either sn0 (good cases being built up, Onegu and yamato make good points) or Alakaslam should be our lynch target. Alakaslam now I'm a little hesitant because I don't think you'd be so forgetful as scum as to not vote. | ||
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Most likely LYLO, so claim time: I'm Conditional Lynchproof. Only works while water level is 750+, but if I was to be lynched the water level rises by 100 instead (and the next highest dies still). Crumbed it last night because that's when it became active (in the case of vig shots), but looks like no one caught on to it. On September 05 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote: My gut says sylencia is another real candidate, at least in part because of how smoothly the lynch slid off of him D1 when its clear that the only 2 lynch candidates D1 that could possibly be scum were thrawn and him. Assume the case that I'm scum - that would mean that my scum buddies would had to have bailed me out there. Who are they from what you can see and how did they stop my lynch. It would be impossible for me to have influenced it so if there's no answer to this question, seems to me like you were stretching for a case against me. I'm happy to vote for sn0 based on the cases presented over the course of the night and today (thanks onegu, yamato, thrawn). However: On September 05 2013 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is a bad post. marvellosoity has not even tried to read Tutankoopa all game. He just decided he is town based on his couple of good posts at the start of the game (which he can't do in the first place as he didn't know who the guy was). Suddenly he decides that "thrawn is town because his posting seems better than thrawn's posting as scum". This is wrong because: 1) When people Smurf they usually play at least a bit differently than usually. 2) marv has not read Tutan's post closely all game, which is very clear just by reading the thread and knowing him. If he does not find someone suspicious he does not to care to read their posts and talk about them. marv has not tried to get a good read on Tutankoopa/thrawn all game. It makes zero sense when thrawn was smurfing, and it makes zero sense after that. Rayn's case though, is next level reading and it's something where if you read it in the eyes of scum marv, you wouldn't ever really be able to see that kind of hole because you don't consider that sort of analysis on that post. ##Vote marvellosity I'm around for a couple of hours if anyone is here for questions. | ||
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On September 05 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay now seriously guys, Hapa and Sylencia: Is your rolename seriously Conditional [insert role here]?? Yes. This is a themed game, are you surprised? On September 05 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Sylencia You have now been an hour here and you promised to be online. You most likely fucked up your claim and are scum. Now is time to start giving answers. The effects of playing Dota 2, 'I'll be here for the next few hours" doesn't actually end up happening =[ Also, you realise that if I was fake claiming it'd be a lot more realistic to say that I'd raise the water level by 150, since we're on 850 at the moment and it'd be a realistic number to give? On September 05 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia are you okay with getting lynched and marv being the second highest vote candidate? Go ahead, if that happens we're probably on 950, unless someone's got some +water crap on death. On September 05 2013 23:26 Sn0_Man wrote: This actually seems like a reasonable plan. If we are at 800 water level (we are), then lynching syl gives us 900 water level according to his claim, but would kill marv (in the situation we outlined). Assuming scum NK's score 50 water (which I've mentioned before is what I believe), we couldn't go above 950 water before we get another shot at lynching UNLESS scum have an ability to add water, but based on the rest of the setup I'd guess any such ability would be "conditional" on 250 or less water. Problems: Scum could totally have a way to boost water, and if marv and syl are both town then we lose since even if the water level doesn't go up we end up @ 3-3 next day. Oh yeah, and we have to get scum on board this plan which seems quite unlikely. All they have to do is affect the 2ndary lynch target and we lose. This part sucks. I think claiming lynchproof might be a mistake TBH. I kinda liked how this hedges our bets regarding syl though. Too bad. Of note, I still haven't figured out how rayn's vet claim can possibly make sense. Scum can't have multiple factional KP since that would enable a D2 town loss, so it would have to be a non-conditional (1-shot?) scum vig. @Hapa: is your medic protection good for 1KP or all KP that night? What is the mistake in it? Worst case scenario is I don't claim, scum wagon onto me overnight and I don't get lynched, no one considers shot 2, and we lose the game. | ||
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote: Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation. ##VOTE SYLENCIA Who would be your secondary lynch choice? you sound rushed here LOL | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylecia what is your fakeclaim? What do you mean | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so. There are 2 possibilities: 1) Sylencia is town. If he is town we can possibly fuck the game up. 2) Sylencia is scum. If he is scum, his claim is fake, but risking that (going 5-3) could lose us the game. I do not think Sylencia is town, because the timing of the claim is ridiculously anti-town and him choking after the claim makes me think he is not town. He would have no reason to not answer me. Now, Sylencia's motives for this is to save marvellosity. There is no other reason, people are already voting for marv, and this is a last resort big play. Syl's claim can't possibly be town because it's so ridiculously stupid. There is no reason to claim as town as he is not even being voted. We are going back to plan A and just lynch marv. ##Unvote: ##Vote: marvellosity Sno_man, my vet claim is not fake. However there is no SK. I was not shot on N1 and by now scum know there is no SK so whatevs. Ok, since I didn't see this post, you seem to rush your thoughts: 1) I'm not being voted for, how is this good timing as scum or town to claim? In normal circumstances there isn't a point. However if we mislynch we lose. If I sleep without claiming, and you guys misplay because I don't claim, we lose. If I'm scum, I'm just drawing attention to myself for absolutely no reason and it'd be a suicide play. Man, my one posts brings forth 20 rayn posts -_- | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you are trying to look like obv scum to make a big play in 5-3 votes then mafia switching to someone to win the game during the night by roleblocking Hapa and killing him. No, you're choosing to try vote for me. Did I ever say "Hey guys, vote for me because it's going to bounce off anyways"? My claim should do literally nothing to what the current vote or the future vote shows. On September 06 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your claim does not make any sense from town PoV. You are not even being in danger of getting lynched. Why the fuck would you claim as town? I'm on at least 1 suspect list, I'm going to be sleeping at some point in the near future. Chances are low that I'll be around at deadline. If you were in my shoes would you put it up to chance that no one decides to go "Hey, let's for Sy, good idea boys" -> wagon wagon wagon Flip: Sy wasn't killed cause he was lynchproof, but X was the 2nd highest and he was town. Scum wins! | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's say we have 4 votes on X and 2 votes on Y. If someone from X switches to Y making the vote 3-3, which one of X / Y would get lynched? This game will use a simple plurality lynch. Player with the most votes at the deadline gets lynched. Unless there's two people with most votes, then the one that had more votes first takes the cake (there is no cake but he still gets lynched) ..It's written right there. | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nevermind it does not matter. Sylencia, the thing is: Your claim allows mafia to win this game today in case we try to lynch you. Therefore you have zero reason to claim as town. You are not getting lynched today, although i know you are mafia and Hapahauli should know too. The reason is the following: I an veteran yeat i have a vanilla fakeclaim. I assume every blue role has a fakeclaim. You do not have a fakeclaim which means the blue role of yours is the fakeclaim. It's pretty simple. First 2 sentences: I'm pretty sure I went to sleep feeling fine for Night 1, wake up and see that a wagon could've happened on me. Same thing here. Wow, also that took me like 20 minutes to work out wtf you meant by fake claim. Exactly why do I need to fake claim? Why is it wrong to play the game as you normally would and then reveal whats necessary when required? I don't even consider this to be a proper blue role but you realise that I was essentially VT for 2/3 of the game right? Are you saying during that time I NEED to have some sort of fake claim? If that happened every time everyone who played scum would figure out who the blues are in an instant. So again, why would I need to have a fake claim as 2/3 VT 1/3 Lynchproof? | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:58 Sn0_Man wrote: Hmmmm rayn finally did somethign that makes some amount of sense. Still a bad play but it finally makes a bit of sense. Rayn is saying that the host provided him a "VT" claim. I find that hard to believe so right now I'm going with "rayn is making up shit hoping Syl will provide a fake VT claim which would prove him maf". Sorry rayn, i gave away ur game because ur really annoying. That doesn't even make sense though considering we're not allowed to quote PMs, and the extent of a VT claim is just "Guys I'm VT", right? -_- | ||
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Using that as a baseline would suggest that debears would've gotten one. Considering he quoted his PM, you can't use that rule as a blanket statement and assume everyone gets one. In any case, I'm honestly curious to see if Hapa got one as a conditional role. | ||
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On September 06 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia, Sno_man & Onegu: Can you give three scumreads with reasoning please? marv - already said your read on him (mainly the thrawn part) convinced me. in addition, he's ridiculously quiet after being so active, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's demotivated to play or something because there's no one easy left for him to pick on (probably banking on slam to die today) onegu - already posted day 1 he was useless, after my claim he sees an opportunity to free win the game by voting for me. Especially when I ask him who his secondary choice is, he says sn0_man. Sure, that's fine but why wouldn't you just vote for sn0_man instead of going for the lynchproof and relying on the rest of the town to make the decision on who to kill? last scum: raynpelikoneet yamato77 Sn0_Man Tutankoopa / thrawn2112 PoE: not rayn, I never saw Tutan as being scummy Last 2 are honestly quite a flip, and the problem is if I make a case on one, there's always a stronger counter case for the other, which could honestly suggest I'm not correct on the last read. The only thing that could be revealing is Onegu and yamato attacking sn0 at a similar time, which could easily be due to miscommunication in the QT saying they should attack sn0, but then not realising the other was building the case. Despite that though, my gut says yamato is more likely to be town... | ||
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On September 06 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think people would vote for your lynch when everyone voting are voting for marv? There is a case on marv which is good. There was no case on you. There was a case on hopeless/slam on Day 1 and despite slam making things look worse, there was a small wagon rolling towards me for a while after the slam wagon stopped. I don't plan to leave things to chance at MYLO. If there was no case on me, I wouldn't be on lists. I am on lists, so there's always that possibility. | ||
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On September 06 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia's timing of the claim was really bad as town, him choking right after tha claim was bad, he was obviously scum even without the fakeclaim thingy. I don't know what people here think, that was so utterly bad i couldn't see that coming from a townie. You have to stop thinking not being there = choking. Would it really take 3 hours for me to find an appropriate response to you? No, it would take 2 minutes, I just indulged in too much Dota 2. What you do in your time doesn't reflect what everyone else does. Just saying. | ||
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All i can hope for is that people (*cough* rayn) open their eyes to possibilities | ||
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Scum had 2 T_T | ||
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