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raynpelikoneet
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He *was* caught in Ego because his activity dropped, in conjunction with his activity dropping, so meh This is totally worng and i know it because i made the case on Oats on Ego and every non-confirmed townie sheeped it and nobody EVER said anything about his activity. Why the lies marv? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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So you claim you don't want to read the only real accusations against Tutan. You clim you are gonna be useless later on in the game. What gives? | ||
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On August 30 2013 19:56 Tutankoopa wrote: Marv, please tell rayn that I'm here if he wants to ask me any questions. I have already told you i do not want to ask you anything. I already tried that and it didn't work. | ||
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This is what i ask you at first: What's your thought process between starting and finishing this post? Did you read Oats filter between writing the post? Why? In the start of the post you say something, then you say another thing at the end of it. Why would you not read the whole thread before posting so you are on top of things and not need to change your opinion in the same post? The bolded part is the ultimate question i wanted you to answer. Your answer is: Yes I had read his filter and I changed my mind on a reread. Editing takes effort. Is there anyone in the game who thinks that answers the bolded question? Fine, i try to clarify myself: 2) You didn't really answer my question. Why did you start writing a post before you had read the whole thread? What's the point of doing so because you do not have all the information available? That to me seems like you are contributing to something you can't be called out for later because the information you are contributing to is no more relevant. You answer me: re read what I wrote. You are 100% incorrect about this. Does anyone think the first answer did answer what i asked from Tutankoopa? Because this definitely does not. I try once more: Simple question. Why do you post before you have read the whole thread? You never answered me. These are your answers: Rayn This conversation isn't going to continue until I'm satisfied that you've reread. 2 scenarios. Example 1: A player has X read on Z player. He has not read the thread. He reads the thread changes his mind and then makes a post about how he used to have X read, but now he doesn't. Example 2: What I did. How are those functionally any different? You're getting the same information from me in either case. Does anyone think this answer the question "Why did you post before reading the whole thread"? Because it doesn't. It says there are 2 scenarios that say "person did not read the thread before starting the post". Finally, about a full fucking day after this you say this: Why does that need explaining? Does me doing that make it hard for you to know my reads? No. Does it push any mafia objective? No. So it's just a playstyle choice. I can't explain that any more than I can explain why I had donuts for breakfast, it's just how things played out. And by the way, this is about that Oats thing right? Something you completely missed in my earlier response was that I HAD read the entire thread when I made that post. I changed my mind about Oats on a reread of his filter, which is something I said a long time ago. So you're entire accusation is based on a misunderstanding which I why I stopped responding to you earlier. Why the fuck would you not say this in the first place? "It is a playstyle choise. Does that make me mafia?" It's a perfectly reasonable answer. I wanted to know your reasons behind why you did what you did. You starting to make your post before you have read the whole thread does not make you scum. If you are unable to reason your actions it makes you scum. You dodged the question about reasons behind your actions for a full day, and that is fucking scummy. You could have answered the last thing i quoted in the first place and i would have been perfectly fine with your answer. You decided to dodge the question instead. That's why i think you are scum (amongst other reasons i have pointed out). You did the same thing with every other question of mine, and i do not care to quote them, because it should be obvious for anyone who reads the questions and your answers. Your answers have nothing to do with my questions. They flip-flop around the matter i am talking about and at best they are really wishy-washy. You are making me waste posts on asking you same things over and over again and then justifying not answering by "read what i wrote". Guess what. I have read what you answered and nothing in your answers makes sense to me because you are not giving answers to what i asked. | ||
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In NWM i fakeclaimed on N1 having silentnuked the obvioustown Meapak_Zipph as town. Then people accused me being scum and the question arouse: "Why would raynpelikoneet claim that as scum". Of course there would be a scum!motive for me doing so. That's not relevant, the relevant thing is what other people think the motive for scum!rayn is. Ace gave an answer for my motive as mafia that was so fucking hilarious it is now my signature. I instantly knew he was mafia based purely on that. Nobody in the whole town understood that, ever, in that game. ---- Same thing here. Why are people not giving clear answers that cannot be misunderstood if they are town? If someone is looking into wrong places you need to shut that down immediately. Tutankoopa is not doing that in my opinion, he is not being clear with his thought process when i question him about that and that's why i want to lynch him. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question. Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say? | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:25 Sylencia wrote: Would you say this is better or worse than what I see from Onegu (who I believe you say you have a town read on): - No real direction in his play - He hasn't really had any reads post-debears sobering - Doesn't push hard for anyone but a lurker. To me, this seems worse, so I'm interested to see why this comes off differently. Reading what came in the last page when my friends and I stop dotaing The difference is that's what Onegu always does as town and does not do as scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Yes, I had read the thread before that post. I don't see why you were assuming that I hadn't read the thread. Evidence slightly pointed otherwise. I don't see why not reading would be scummy anyhow. Miscommunication is a real, observable phenomenon. When i asked you "did you or did you not" i expected you to answer "yes", as you did. However, the same set of questions contained a question "why did you begin to write a post before reading the thread". You did not answer that. I asked you again "why..", in which you answered "yes, i did" over and over again. The Hopeless thing was this. I asked you: How does the bolded part make sense? If Hopeless did not understand the "policy", why is it wrong for him to call my play stupid? What did he need to explain? To me his thought process makes sense. Your answer is this: 1. He's been acting weird about the policy lynch on rayn, attacking me as if he seriously thought that I was dead set on lynching yamato in my first post of the game. 2. Calls rayn's play stupid afterwards. Calling somebody's play "stupid" while not expressing a scum read on them implies you having a town, or at least not scum read on them. It seemed fake, as if the whole time he's had extra information, and he knows rayn is town and is subconsciously using that to justify his case on people who accuse rayn. I tried to read your answer over and over again and i can't see how does this have anything to do with what i asked. I did not ask if Hopeless is making sense or not, i did not ask if Hopeless should have a town/scum read on me. I asked why you think his thought process doesn't make sense based on what he said, because given what Hopeless posted it makes perfect sense to me. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:25 marvellosity wrote: you need to let go of the nitpicking and read the tone and intent of his posts in the last couple of pages how do you not see really clearly that he's trying to engage you in a constructive way? it's totally, totally baffling to me. Why would he not try to engage me in a constructive way as mafia? I still stand corrected and i do not think i am nitpicking. I still don't see him trying to find scum. I even don't give a fuck if he gives me answers now because he should have already done so a day ago. I am not asking any more, i am now telling that i think this makes him mafia, unless someone has a reasonable argument against it. Saying "your questions did not matter in the first place" or "Your questions were dumb" is not a good argument because for me they were important. That being said, i will not vote for Hopeless. I can't believe he is mafia given what the thread sentiment is, or something is really off this game. I can lynch Sylencia for reasons i have given. Snodude is also starting to bother me because of his absence. FirmTofu should be vigged if he does not speak. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: So if I can prove that Tutan is town, is hopeless still town rayn? Yes. I don't see how my read on Tutan has anything to do with my read on Hopeless. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Im assuming that since you have a scumread on Tutan and hopeless is the only that shares your views which means hes probably town right??? ??? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Or else how in the world do you think hopeless has like no chance of flipping town man. I guess you mean scum on the bolded? My read on Hopeless is based on the fact that i do not see any motive for him to do what he has done this game if he was mafia. That added to the fact that every single person in this game other than me (barring FT who has not posted, and myabe Onegu, who i think is town) wants to lynch him. It makes no sense there is no resistance to his lynch other than himself and me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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You still got some scumhunting to do before i am willing to take my vote off you. What do you think about Hopeless that i just said in my last post? Also, could you expand this read of yours: If you followed my comprehensive post then you'd know that I have a slight town, sorta nullish read on Sylencia. I see a lurker... but I don't see mafia. He didn't particularly shine in our recent conversation but there was nothing that made me want to abandon my read. I really don't understand what makes you think he is town? | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:04 Tutankoopa wrote: Hopeless quotes "Tutan was attempting to justify a sheep onto an unknown policy and has since changed his mind...I'm glad I sheeped Oats" "Your initial vote was not entirely damning." "3) I'd actually chalk that up to early trolling more than anything else." --- I think he's referring to my first vote. "My reasons for voting TK do not (nor have they ever) hinged upon the fact that he sheeped yamato's "policy" vote." I have no idea when or why he thought I was scum during any of that earlier stuff. At times it looks like he knows the early vote was nothing substantial, at other times he is insistent that I was pushing for a lynch. For further reading, I recently made a post about how all of his actions from page 2 onward are built on the assumption that rayn is town. That doesn't ring any alarms? Why would mafia!Hopeless not back off from the accusation (regarding your policy-vote) in the (3) point and/or in the point you bolded? Many people pointed out how dumb his accusation regarding your policy-vote was, many people pointed out he is becoming a suspect because of that, don't you think his scummates would have not told him to cut that off and say "yeah i can see that now, i was wrong"? I would have definitely done so if my scumbuddy did something that stupid. I think your second quote is taken out of context because Hopeless also gave other reasons for you to be mafia (your reads post which really was full of nothing). I also think Hopeless has clearly expressed he has a townread on me and reasons for it, why is this more suspicious than let's say sciberbia having a 95% town-read on me? | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: lol never seen scum bus before rayn? no objection to a lynch is a bad reason to not lynch someone... Isnt the scum motivation mislynching Tuken and appearing town by pushing something? Why would scum not even try to push any lynch? Do you think every townie is playing so well mafia can't possibly mislynch after 12h into the game? Because that's when the Hopeless wagon started and nobody ever opposed it before i did. | ||
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Do you, Oats, think Tutankoopa has put effort in finding mafia? Do you think his reads are reasonably explained? | ||
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