On September 12 2013 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
Towns will lynch players like you on d1 for all eternity.

Which is why it's a townie's responsibility to not play badly.

I don't disagree marv.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 12 2013 11:59 GMT

#2882

Then why are you arguing you were a bad lynch?

I mean obviously you weren't a great lynch because you were town, but as Day 1s go it was a pretty standard lynch. Lynch some useless dude saying weird things, maybe he'll flip mafia, maybe he won't.

In so many games recently people keep saying "this d1 lynch was terrible" when really they're quite normal to go down like this.

A terrible day 1 lynch is when you lynch someone who you can think about and say they had some clear towntells

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 12 2013 12:05 GMT

#2883

On September 12 2013 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
Then why are you arguing you were a bad lynch?

I mean obviously you weren't a great lynch because you were town, but as Day 1s go it was a pretty standard lynch. Lynch some useless dude saying weird things, maybe he'll flip mafia, maybe he won't.

In so many games recently people keep saying "this d1 lynch was terrible" when really they're quite normal to go down like this.

A terrible day 1 lynch is when you lynch someone who you can think about and say they had some clear towntells

We can agree to disagree. I'm not going to argue with you. I was a bad lynch because of my meta. I was a bad lynch because lurker lynches are nearly always a bad idea on Day 1.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 12 2013 12:06 GMT

#2884

On September 12 2013 20:59 marvellosity wrote:
Then why are you arguing you were a bad lynch?

I mean obviously you weren't a great lynch because you were town, but as Day 1s go it was a pretty standard lynch. Lynch some useless dude saying weird things, maybe he'll flip mafia, maybe he won't.

In so many games recently people keep saying "this d1 lynch was terrible" when really they're quite normal to go down like this.

A terrible day 1 lynch is when you lynch someone who you can think about and say they had some clear towntells

*cough* oats *cough*

:D

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

September 12 2013 12:07 GMT

#2885

On September 12 2013 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
Towns will lynch players like you on d1 for all eternity.

Which is why it's a townie's responsibility to not play badly.

Basically this. No one should play day 1 that way, and if it does happen it should be a policy lynch.
We need to get over people playing that way before day 1s will improve.

So FT, you're part of the problem, not the people lynching you.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

September 12 2013 12:16 GMT

#2886

Every time you get lynched you have done something wrong unless it's all mafia voting for you and you still get somehow lynched.

Onegu

United States9699 Posts

September 12 2013 12:31 GMT

#2887

So on the alakaslam thing, him getting replaced in was ok I dont have much of a problem with that, maybe wait until night 1 to switch. But the mod kill was a hardcore fist in the ass of scum. If he is lynched he most, which was looking more and more the case at that point, second if you were going to modkilled him you should have told him when he came back and started playing again. Letting him play and then modkilling him messes with the gameflow. I mean I had just posted a connection case between sn0 and alakaslam. Anyway my internet is bad right now not sure how much more I will be online.

Also @Firm Pushing my lynch in P4 even you know my meta

.

Man I played so bad at mylo, I should have never switched to yamato, I, just park my vote on sn0 make my points on why he is scum and peace out.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

September 12 2013 12:32 GMT

#2888

I PM'd him after his dead-posts and told him to stfu.

And if I say I'll replace/modkill him, I'll replace/modkill him.
Have you heard me say anything different? No.
Until you do, you should play under the assumption that he's gone.
You didn't listen to what I explicitly said, your fault. You plan your all-in on a dead guy, your fault.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

September 12 2013 12:34 GMT

#2889

Question: If somebody's day 1 play leaves them at about null in terms of alignment, and they are of about average skill, doesn't that make them at worst an average lynch? I mean, given that you have to lynch someone for the game to move forward, lynching somebody who has an average likelihood to flip scum doesn't seem that bad.

(By 'average likelihood' I mean a probability equal to the number of scum divided by the total number of players.)

(The other criteria is 'does lynching them tell you anything in the case they flip town', which I won't comment on.)

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

September 12 2013 12:35 GMT

#2890

FirmTofu was at the very least a decent lynch.
Maybe even better than decent.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 12 2013 12:36 GMT

#2891

On September 12 2013 21:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
I PM'd him after his dead-posts and told him to stfu.

And if I say I'll replace/modkill him, I'll replace/modkill him.
Have you heard me say anything different? No.
Until you do, you should play under the assumption that he's gone.
You didn't listen to what I explicitly said, your fault. You plan your all-in on a dead guy, your fault.

We were setting up slam/sn0 long before slam decided not to vote on day 2, to be fair.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

September 12 2013 12:39 GMT

#2892

That's fine, but continuing to set him up after he failed to vote was a poor decision, and I just want to emphasise that it was your guys' fuck up, not mine.

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

September 12 2013 12:39 GMT

#2893

On September 12 2013 21:34 Aquanim wrote:
Question: If somebody's day 1 play leaves them at about null in terms of alignment, and they are of about average skill, doesn't that make them at worst an average lynch? I mean, given that you have to lynch someone for the game to move forward, lynching somebody who has an average likelihood to flip scum doesn't seem that bad.

(By 'average likelihood' I mean a probability equal to the number of scum divided by the total number of players.)

(The other criteria is 'does lynching them tell you anything in the case they flip town', which I won't comment on.)

I think there is much to do on day 1, regardless of what others say. No one plays perfectly, and that includes scum.
People who think day 1 is useless are sorely mistaken, I think it sets the tone for the rest of the game, regardless of town/scum getting lynched.

That said, an "average" lynch is pretty decent on day 1. At the very least, town should never lynch an outspoken (but wrong) player. A semi-lurker that doesn't look townie is a decent target.

yamato77

11589 Posts

September 12 2013 12:40 GMT

#2894

I played badly for a few days, but it's a lie to say I did nothing.

Whatever, can't win them all.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 12 2013 12:41 GMT

#2895

On September 12 2013 21:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
That's fine, but continuing to set him up after he failed to vote was a poor decision, and I just want to emphasise that it was your guys' fuck up, not mine.

Generally speaking (and you obviously have a different philosophy, not gonna comment on right/wrong) I think modkills should be an absolute last resort, especially when it directly affects the gameplay. Given Slam was ready to carry on posting, I think letting him carry on was the best decision for not affecting the game.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 12 2013 12:44 GMT

#2896

Him proceeding to get himself banned from TL notwithstanding ;p

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

September 12 2013 12:46 GMT

#2897

I could have let him keep playing, but when he just started to post again without even talking to me beforehand, I decided not to, cuz that ain't fine.
And then he got banned from TL anyways.

yamato77

11589 Posts

September 12 2013 12:50 GMT

#2898

Also, we could have lynched Marv D1 if Hapa listened to me.

I knew something was off with you >_>

Clarity_nl

Netherlands6826 Posts

September 12 2013 12:51 GMT

#2899

I was actually very curious about the "I'm just looking at hapa and marv today" approach.
People jumped on it as terrible straight away but I thought it had some merit to it.

yamato77

11589 Posts

September 12 2013 12:53 GMT

#2900

On September 12 2013 21:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
I was actually very curious about the "I'm just looking at hapa and marv today" approach.
People jumped on it as terrible straight away but I thought it had some merit to it.

Of course it did. If I accurately figure out those two every game, it's likely that we win the game.