Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII

On August 22 2013 10:44 Holyflare wrote:
/in

scum hunter reporting for duty

On August 22 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:

inb4 holyflare rolls scum

/obs

On August 26 2013 17:51 LoneMeow wrote:
/in

My last newbie

On September 04 2013 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
So, anyone around?

On September 04 2013 07:36 Chairman Ray wrote:
Regardless of the math, a day 1 lynch as the norm gets people talking. No lynch = no incentive to give up information. Unless everyone is super cooperative and gives great information, we lynch.

I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.

missed this somehow earlier -- was posting from my phone. ray what do you mean by "everyone"? thought only mafia and masons get this privilege......

On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote:
This discussion is pretty slow so how about this.
Everyone answer the following questions.

Who is your strongest town read?
Who is your strongest scum read?

This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices.

Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis
Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff.

On September 04 2013 11:09 Blurry wrote:
This discussion is pretty slow so how about this.
Everyone answer the following questions.

Who is your strongest town read?
Who is your strongest scum read?

This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices.

Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis
Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff.

On September 04 2013 13:20 Holyflare wrote:


Why should they ever fuck up on day 1, what reason is there to? How bad would somebody have to be playing to reveal that they are actually scum on day 1?? They have the power of all knowledge what would be the reason for them to screw up. You are more than welcome to talk about your scum and town reads but I will most definitely not talk about my town reads today, scum reads will come later on in the day phase of course.

NOT when they have all the time in the world, the filters and the ability to talk with their allies in QT to formulate a counter strategy and or bandwagon. There is 0 pressure from calling somebody scum now.

On September 04 2013 13:23 Holyflare wrote:



Highlight a post that you question and ask for an explanation. It adds a pseudo pressure whereby they don't need to formulate the post, they just need to explain themselves. That is where the scum hunting is found, not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.

NOT when they have all the time in the world

not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.

On September 04 2013 13:52 Holyflare wrote:


oh sorry EBWOP: 'panic'

not by saying X or Y is scum and he has to panic create posts.

alright, I'm happy you clarified about 'panic'.


downside here?

On September 05 2013 04:03 Chairman Ray wrote:


I am currently working on my scum reads right now, and will post them in a sec.

As for Umasi/HolyFlare, one of the best scum tactics is to have two scum ragging on each other the first day. It monopolizes the discussion preventing productive town discourse, paints them both as very pro town, and in the case that one of them turns mafia, there's a strong argument for the other one being town. Because of this, I am not willing to read them both as town. Right now, there's a possibility of both being scum, both being town, or one being mafia, so lynching one will not give us ANY headway, I say keep them both alive on day 1. Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia, we may be able to eliminate one of the possibilities.

Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia

Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see.

but I'm not going to talk about it anymore for the sake of talking about it.

Umasi is actually being ridiculous right now, not sure how any of you are seeing his 'town' intentions.

On September 05 2013 07:35 Lord Velocity wrote:
Nvm. This post was irrelevant, let me fix my keyboard brb in a few hours

On September 05 2013 09:01 Lord Velocity wrote:
I'm so so so so so Sorry people. I said that asking for reads wouldn't be scummy really unless you were trying to bandwagon on their reads, which could subsequently be scummy and realized how dumb I sounded and got embarassed, and the keyboard thing was because I dropped my laptop and had to fix my board itself because it has thin keys. And I was unaware of the no editing rule, I must have missed it. But voting for me(Killer and Chairman) is not the smartest thing. and seeing as you two hopped on it right away seeing an easy lynch but nobody else voted. And I don't even know what QT means, and I fled for an hour or so because I wanted to eat pizza with my sister who is moving out for college. I'm terribly sorry if it was suspicious and I myself have become suspicious of Killer and Chairman in the process.

Also a point which i think is worth raising now. Given that we have to have voted for someone/sleep with 18 hours, and there is still a player who hasn't posted, (myrzeth,) If we lynch someone, say pharcyd3, and then myrzeth gets modkilled, what effect does that have on the game, and if we have a confirmed mod kill would it be better to sleep? I'm in a hurry to get to class so I don't have time to think about it properly right now, but I think we need to have a plan in place to account for the chance of there being a mod kill on myrzeth.

On September 05 2013 15:20 LoneMeow wrote:


I see you don't read very carefully, as I did FoS Lord Velocity (in the same post, no less). And while on that topic, my current read on him is newbie town, I seriously doubt scum team would let him draw attention with newbie mistakes like that.

You, on the other hand, seem to have your reads jumping around quite a lot. You had a scum read on Chairman Ray earlier, has that changed and if so, why?

On September 05 2013 18:22 myRZeth wrote:


Being quiet is usually the best choice, at least on the SC2 Mafia Arcade game. You re able to observe everything and judge on your own.
Don t worry, i m active

On September 05 2013 22:56 Lord Velocity wrote:
Okay so I have to rush this a littlebit? I have to go to school and won'tbe here for the end of the night. So I would like to say that my read on Umasi I think was posted, but if not it's the same to Killers a little, they both provided major information leading us in the right direction on others, Holy still stands neutral as I said, I'm a little sketchy onBlurry andBereft because they come in, disregard everything said, and focus on everything that's happened like 5(or like 8) pages ago and don't bother trying to clear their names on some peoples list, as they have also got some sort of "Blurry said something, he's right." Or vice versa with bereft. But I won't be around to the end of the lynching phase so I'm sorry. I also do'nt think I'm a smart vote as I have 2 right now, so I think that might stay the same,but I will be voting for Bereft or Heavenz. Thank you, see you all later.

On September 06 2013 00:00 Holyflare wrote:




Sure thing, do that.

##Vote myRZeth

On September 06 2013 00:05 myRZeth wrote:
voting holyflare, because he s voting me without any clues/analysis/whatever

you can t vote somebody because of his playstyle, especially not that early, think about that


simply a countervote

On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:


Nothing has changed, I will lynch the lurkiest player (unless obvious modkill) on the first night if I must. I was bringing up the situation of no lynches because this game had started with an even amount of players (normal mafia games are odd numbers of players) and so it is within our favour to at least no lynch once. Especially if our blue roles are favourable but even without. I've explained that in my previous post.

That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.

On September 06 2013 01:01 Blurry wrote:
While I agree that he (myrzeth) isn't worth keeping around it may just be a waste of a vote to lynch him today. I'm assuming that the mafia has a QT which they can use during the day? If that is the case, if he really was just a lurking mafia his buddies would have given him stuff to say in order to save him.

I just don't think there is enough to go on piling on the easiest target because he is just a lurker, and it may very well be that a lot of the pressure on him is coming from mafia themselves. Be careful in voting for him because he is the easiest target for mafia to get a mislynch right now compared to anyone else.

Of course cop checks and vigi shots count, but I was talking about the worst case scenario. I decided not to accoutn for Vigi randomly shooting a townie before we find any mafia because that would just be really dumb.

On September 06 2013 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
Let me also tell you guys that I have played a lot of mafia and the first people in that game to get lynched are always the quiet people so when he says that I have no faith in his ability to play now or later.

On September 06 2013 05:11 killerdog wrote:


Given how little he's posted so far, I think any attempt to work out what role he is is just going to be speculation. Blurry has made the argument that he's not mafia because mafia would have defended themselves by now. I disagree strongly with supporting that view point because not only does it discourage him from posting, but reading a lack of contribution as townie is pretty just getting a bit WIFOM imo. (did I use it right? :p)


I also don't like that blurry brought that up so quickly, that's a valid point to make if we get to 30 minutes before the deadline and he still hasn't posted or something, but bringing it up so early before myrzeth has proven that he isn't going to defend himself further just complicates everything imo. No reason to provide someone under pressure with an out.

Personally I'm in no way convinced that he's scum. I think it comes down to a choice between lynching myrzeth because he's lurking/being useless or lynching someone else who we think reads scummy.

Personally I'm leaning towards lynching myrzeth, because from the way he responded to people challenging his silence, and the fact he still hasn't come in with a post bigger then a one liner, means I don't think he's going to suddenly be super contributive tomorrow. I'd rather not have to spend half a day arguing with someone about play styles again, or even worse have him just dissappear and then being in a situation day 2 where there might be a strong mafia read we want to lynch, but having to choose between lynching the afk lurker or the mafia read. And if he turns out to be mafia thats just a perk.

On September 06 2013 06:00 killerdog wrote:


The day ends an hour and a half from when you made that post, (one hour from when I make this one.)

Make sure you don't get modkilled for talking at night :p

On September 04 2013 07:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now.

On September 05 2013 04:03 Chairman Ray wrote:


I am currently working on my scum reads right now, and will post them in a sec.

As for Umasi/HolyFlare, one of the best scum tactics is to have two scum ragging on each other the first day. It monopolizes the discussion preventing productive town discourse, paints them both as very pro town, and in the case that one of them turns mafia, there's a strong argument for the other one being town. Because of this, I am not willing to read them both as town. Right now, there's a possibility of both being scum, both being town, or one being mafia, so lynching one will not give us ANY headway, I say keep them both alive on day 1. Based on who gets lynched and who gets killed by mafia, we may be able to eliminate one of the possibilities.

On September 06 2013 06:20 killerdog wrote:
Umasi, whats your opinion of voting for velocity? You've lightly defended him in the past, but you've also indicated that if there was a strong scum read you'd prefer to lynch them instead of going for the afk/lurker.

Would you rather lynch myrzeth, Chairman Ray or Lord Velocity?

On September 06 2013 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
/deadline hype!

On September 06 2013 06:45 killerdog wrote:
Also a quick note. If, in the last 15 minutes to try and save themselves, someone comes out as a blue role. What do we do? Obviously noone should counterclaim (even if it wasn't a semi open setup that would be dumb as hell) but do we still lynch them, or do we switch lynches to myrzeth and see if mafia kills them that night?

I really don't want to have everything go to shit in the last 5 minutes becomes someone randomly goes "ok i'm Q"

On September 06 2013 06:47 Lord Velocity wrote:
Well kill me then if you feel I'm the scummiest, but notice how dumb you will feel after I flip in the morning

On September 06 2013 06:54 Chairman Ray wrote:


I'm not just screaming that I'm town. What's wrong with my argument? If I'm mafia, why aren't the other mafia helping me?

On September 06 2013 00:29 infii wrote:
In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?)
I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends.

For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people:


Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1

Coming soon/when I have the time


Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on

The main post:


Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +

Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +


Case 3 – The LV slipup

Coming soon/ when I have the time

Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/

I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments.

On September 06 2013 06:34 infii wrote:
Yes Ray's last case looks so omg-scummy that I'm tempted to vote him.

But I will vote for myrz. Yes he could be town but he is not cooperative or doesn't want to contribute anything.
Though my strongest point on him is, that he is not even willing to change his behaviour. That is why he will be totally useless in the future.
There are about 30mins left and I have not seen any analysis from him so fuck that.

##vote myRZeth

On September 04 2013 23:36 infii wrote:
I would also love to see more participation from the people with the lower post counts (of course including me), so I did dive a bit into the filters.
heavenz:


Considering the fact that the discussion about yes/no-lynch on D1 was already going on for about 1 hour at the time you posted this, why did you go ahead and claim it to be 'a bit of a discussion starter' with your second post?

myrzeth:


Yup... we need to hear more from you merzeth. What is your opinion on lynching the most inactive player on Day1?

Pharcyd:


His only post, though he stated before that he would have plenty of time to keep up with the thread. So why not also contribute to the discussion?

Chairman Ray:


Took part in the early discussion about Day1 lynch with 2 posts saying the exact same thing.
Also I disagree a bit with you here, because you don't have to actually execute the lynch to get people talking. A lynch threat is more than enough. Don’t you think lynching a less active townmember early on is a loss?
Because they could still improve on Day 2 for example.

Ok basically everyone listed above should step up and contribute to the discussion. You can start by answering my questions.


On another note:


Don’t you think the effect of a lynch threat will be reduced when you always have someone voted? If you want other players to know who you are targetting just write it in this thread for everyone to see.

Next up: Analysis of everyone still alive.

On September 08 2013 05:36 Lord Velocity wrote:
Something serious came up within my family and I am 100% certain I no longer have time to play with you all, I'm so sorry that the inconvenience happened, I wish town the best of luck. Good bye all!

On September 08 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
probably, it's 5am. umasi, since you're here, why'd you unvote infii? of the top of my head i think you said something that he defended himself well and FOS'd holyflare. why does him calling holyflare scum convince you? i just read through his posting history; nothing he's posted seems terribly substantial or memorable to me..

On September 08 2013 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
yes, why did you kill blurry? and killer said something about you

On September 09 2013 05:15 Holyflare wrote:


Kill the cripple

I don't have convincing reads to push either way, and LV is afk so it's not the main issue right now.

I accuse Holyflare of starting a counter-wagon to pull votes off from LV or myrzeth.

If you recall I made an analysis about the whole Chairman Ray bandwagon, and well, you happenend to be the initiator of said wagon so I focused on you in the "case analysis". Why should I blame someone else of starting the wagon?

On September 09 2013 05:31 Koshi wrote:

Cool. I think you are pretty town.

Or a scummer that has a death wish. Claiming RB.

On September 09 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:
what scenarios do you have?

On September 09 2013 06:44 infii wrote:


Don't know about you but I never thought he was town.

On September 09 2013 06:50 heavenz wrote:
btw hi koschi, I am glad we have a replacement. What about LV though? tonight is the deadline for replacements no?

On September 09 2013 07:16 killerdog wrote:
lonemeow heavenz umasi mafia

On September 09 2013 07:30 infii wrote:
It's ok ShiaoPi, scum totally fooled us. Game was pretty much over.

On September 09 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote:
Holyflare is so unbelievable stupid. hilarious.

On September 09 2013 07:44 Koshi wrote:

please talk more shit.

fucking clueless.

I had you as scum only because our little interaction and your filter.

On September 04 2013 08:26 heavenz wrote:
Good evening fellow top agents. Let us rest old and dry cases and let this be our only concerne as it already runs blood red. Lynching is the righteous answere on the evildoings of the terrorists, so we shall lynch.

On September 09 2013 08:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm very surprised killerdog was town, btw.

On September 09 2013 20:26 heavenz wrote:
Also I find it weird that people give me such a strong scum read for my opening post, it's not like I applied a scum tactics or something, I would have posted it the same way if I was town. It was 2 am, the game had started even though the host said it wouldn't start that day, so it was pure luck that I saw that game actually already started before I was going to bed, so I just wanted to drop a yo guys.

Also I belive it played it out well in the end because umasi heavily blamed me for it, and most of the other town thought nothing of it.

On September 10 2013 13:59 LoneMeow wrote:


Just wanted to emphasize this. Prolonged arguments with the one you're targeting are not useful.