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On August 15 2013 16:09 Crazometer wrote: /in As a new player I'm not really sure what hydras have to do with anime but I'd love to get involved and play with you guys! I will in if you reveal whose smurf you are. | ||
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I may or may not be around, depending on how tired I am/if I work that night or not. | ||
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On August 20 2013 02:17 kushm4sta wrote: but no ive never been there. i live in bangor Drove through Bangor once to see family in Caribou. Maine is nice, I'm actually surprised that someone I know from TL lives there. | ||
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On August 20 2013 12:34 kushm4sta wrote: rofl cause you went to caribou once you are suddenly the expert about maine?? gtfo I don't understand why you're so passive-aggressive. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats what? Explain why you made the above post? Explain how you don't understand that survivor claiming doesn't help them at all. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that kush is a good player ... Can't tell if serious... ? | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain why you and Oats are so eager to tell anti-town roles how to play? Survivor isn't anti-town. They can win with town. Regardless, why the fuck would survivor claim? So scum can shoot him and ruin his day? Don't be dumb. | ||
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I didn't even read Titanic but I've heard it's a prime example of an insanely overactive town pelikoneet. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me shooting you makes me scum how? I propose a survivor claim. If there is a dumb enough survivor to claim, it helps town. I have a pro-town proposition and you immediately tell the survivor to not claim. Why? If someone had claim survivor, it would have helped town. If not, so fucking what? It does not change the fact that my proposition is pro-town and your immediate response is anti-town. Finding out who the survivor is does not help town, at all, but whatever. I guess you're already in the "too-dumb-to-be-scum" category. | ||
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You have yet to make that connection, even if you think you were being pro-town. | ||
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SK is "anti-town". Survivor is not. End of dumb argument about claims and such. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol. Can you see how dumb your question is? Townies try to help town, scum do not. If someone claims survivor, how exactly does that not help the town? We just figured out one player who is definitely not town. Did you roll scum again yamato? Do we have to lynch the survivor to win the game? No. Why the fuck do we care who it is, then? There's nothing pro-town about the idea they should claim at all. And no, townies do not always try to help town and scum do not always play anti-town. Your argument is flawed at every level. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:35 Koshi wrote: If I roll survivor I will just claim with my first post and afk the rest of the game. Biggest chance to success. ... Did you not read your role PM or something? | ||
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Because you rolled scum again? Lol. | ||
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The point isn't that we're telling them not to claim, it is that they won't claim and asking them to is actually just a waste of time. The name of the game is mafia, because you're trying to find and kill them, not the survivors. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Crazometer how does everyone claiming vanilla town help us in forum mafia? We can judge the sincerity of their type, obviously. | ||
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On August 20 2013 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's why i included it in a post that actually said something useful too. Also that's why i do not understand why people jumped on that part of the post so heavily. If it does not provide anything bad, why comment on it at all? Because it's weird that someone mentions the survivor claiming. But obviously you actually thought it was good, so whatever. Let's drop it. | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote: I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem. ¿? | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:33 Koshi wrote: For the first 2 days it is solely scum their problem. Got to find scummies as town. Got to find SK as scummer. ... -_- | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Damn it I was really hoping to be WaveofShadow the shadow. So here's a question ladies. It's N0. Someone is gonna die in ~20 hours. Why are we painting targets on ourselves this early when we don't have a lynch yet? So... we shouldn't post? | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Well for example, if Rayn is town, playing like he does, he's inevitably going to be targeted by mafia as he often is N1 in most games. I just don't see much of an advantage in attempting to prove yourself towny at this point in the game. Are you trying to tell us about your plans, scum-WoS? | ||
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On August 20 2013 21:53 WaveofShadow wrote: How would you expect me to respond to that question, yamato? I was hoping to make you think over what you have written there in the context that it makes little sense from a town perspective. But instead, you think I was serious? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: There is no point in claiming a role that there is likely zero or one of as scum when not everybody has posted. Koshi has also painted a target on his back so no reason to lynch him for the time being. Don't like Rainbows first post, nitpicks DP flip flopping but doesn't actually follow up on it at all. Possible scum since they usually look for really obvious stuff like that since they have to fabricate scum reads. WoS is playing to his 3rd party meta. Wouldn't be surprised if he rolled SK/Survivor. Good lynch. Something feels off about geript's posting, not angry enough. Observations so far. Vayne's first post is suspect. His most definitive read is a 3P read (wtf?) on a player already under suspicion. Why is he so strongly considering the possibility of a 3P? As with Rayn before, the preoccupation with reads that aren't in the town<--->scum continuum is something worth noting. The rest of his post is notably garbage and he has yet to substantiate anything he's said so far. Definitely flying under the radar due to the massive blip of a shitstorm Rayn/DP/WoS created. On August 21 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. i think i was pretty clear in it: "There is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again? Answer is: - Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game". - He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough. - If he was town he could, should and would explain himself." Can you give me a single town reason why WoS would not explain his "we should not talk N0 in this game"? Can you? Because i can't, and i gave all of you his scum!reasons, supported with his own post. As for the Rayn/WoS situation, I'm not sold on the WoS=scum theory. Rayn's entire case is based on the idea that a person should always play as they do as town given a similar situation. Funny enough, it is the SAME rationale DP used to accuse Rayn, yet was ultimately dropped. Do I need to explain why these meta reads are fucking terrible or can we all agree to stop being bad and scumhunt with more conventional means? On August 21 2013 03:48 kushm4sta wrote: Thoughts while reading through this spamfest of a thread: PAGE 8 yamato you son of a bitch if i had a shot i would shoot you right now for no reason other than you piss me off. fucking think you are some maine expect because you went to caribou once lolz gtfo plz yawn, boring discussion about survivors. scum love this shit. PAGE 9 I think it's pretty safe to assume this guy is town because he said his role name: OMG MADE IT TO PAGE 13 WOOOO kush out And yet no one wanted to policy lynch him. Offer is still on the table btw. On August 21 2013 07:58 kushm4sta wrote: I want to thank everyone for the respite from spam! Still catching up! Srsly. On August 21 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote: Higgildy Piggildy Pumpkin Poo! FirmTofu is here And is scumhunting too! First things first. This deadline is less than ideal for me. It is 4 AM in my timezone so I will likely be asleep during that time period. If anyone wishes to vote for me in the 4 hour town frame before the deadline, they better have a fucking good reason to do so. Any votes placed on me during that timeframe should be considered be VERY scummy and all guilty persons should be pursued with fervor the following day. I'll be catching up and posting my thoughts in a few hours. Don't be a bunch of bitches like y'all were in GOT and vote me for no reason for not being around. I don't know how many times I guessed correctly that a scum opened the game with a post like this. Definitely going to be watching FT as he "catches up". On August 21 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I assume most people agree that there is town motivation for Rayn pushing me as hard as he has been, as well as his relentlessly pushing me to answer his question regarding why I said what I did about 'no-talking' on N0. Are people considering scum motivations behind such actions? I want to see if anyone else can figure this out before I do a little revelation. Again, I'll be on sporadically so it may not happen until later but by gum, it WILL happen. You think scumRayn wants to make you talk so that he can...? I don't follow the logic. There's a reason most people agree that Rayn is town, and it's because he's too fucking batshit insane to be mafia. On August 21 2013 06:26 Koshi wrote: Ask the question again and I will answer without dnu. I try not to think so much when I post. And then people ask why I post stuff and I need to think about what I was thinking. But I am more like feeling instead of thinking. You get my drift? Sn0 brings up a good point, Koshi is wishy-washy. Unfortunately N0 has no lynch so there is no mechanic to force him to be decisive. I'll also be watching how his reads develop throughout the day. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll get to what Rayn wanted from me yamato. As for the rest of your reads: Vayne is mega lynchbait. Mega super ultra lynchbait. Flying under the radar for now is definitely something to note though. We'll see what D1 brings. I HAVE mentioned I would be fine to shoot/policy lynch kush btw. I don't like the "he's lynchbait" defense, tbh. Nor would I consider Vayne "lynchbait" from what I've seen. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:23 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not a defense, but in basically every game I've played with him (aside from maybe Nuclear?) he's looked scummy as all hell and played like ass and been town. There are better targets come D1. Rayn/Onegu look terrible to me right now, and Koshi's shitposting is new to me---he doesn't normally play like this. I don't know what it means. I'd also like to figure out what the deal is with DP. Let's talk about Onegu. I didn't really notice anything noteworthy from him. What makes his play this game different from his play in GoT? Seems similar. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:24 FirmTofu wrote: He's lynchbait when he's actively trying to look scummy though. In this game, I'm seeing a different Vayne than usual. I don't really agree with yamato's thought process, but do think Vayne would be a decent lynch. I don't agree with YOUR thought process. On more than one occasion, you say think because someone is/isn't scummy they are town/scum. WTF? | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:27 WaveofShadow wrote: It's the incessant sheeping of thread sentiment that bothers me. I can honestly say despite hosting GoT I didn't follow it extremely closely. Did he do the same thing? IDK about sheeping, but he definitely seemed fixated on the setup early like he was this game. What makes you think he's so sheepish this game? | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato is mafia. You obviously can't control your enter key, because you've literally called everyone in the game mafia by now. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato comment on my last pot please? I have no idea how Ego has anything to do with WoS' alignment. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: he is 100% lying. Can you not see it? did you not do this in Ego or something? Again, I don't see the connection. | ||
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Koshi is highly suspect for just jumping on the WoS wagon without so much as a second thought. | ||
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##Vote Kushm4sta He's my placeholder lynch candidate. | ||
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On August 21 2013 23:31 Koshi wrote: I'll forgive you because you probably didn't see my picture yet. Also, I gave a second thought in the same post as my vote D: Your "second thought" isn't to consider that WoS might be town, it is that two other people are scum. It doesn't really qualify as a real second thought about the alignment of WoS. All it proves is that you've moved beyond having no reads into the territory of accusing people already under suspicion. | ||
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On August 21 2013 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, my main point about WoS is that when i ask him "Why did you bring up the same anti-town thing you did in CCM?" his immediate answer is "Show me how i am playing different than in CCM". That's not even what i was asking about. Why would a townie be concerned if he plays to his town meta or not? Because he obviously does. That response of his directly proves that he is aware he is doing something he did in another game in a same manner. Scum wonder about these things, not townies. Also his explanation for the whole mess is bullshit. "Hey i played anti-town in purpose and now i am calling out people who called me out for my anti-town play". Don't you see how full of shit that explanation is? He basically says he has purposely wasted 24 hours of everyone's time with something that does not help anyone find mafia. Also Koshi is the sole person in this thread that seem to get this. The bolded is not necessarily true. Town should think about their thread image just as much as mafia. Just because someone is concerned with how this game compares to their past town games does not make them mafia. It makes them aware of how they are playing. The underlined is not the truth. He thinks he sniffed out a scum player who was bluefishing. It's useful in his eyes. You think it's a waste of time because he's accusing you. I can believe that WoS as town honestly thought he could actually catch scum this way. | ||
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I'm surprised you even noticed, to be honest. | ||
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On August 21 2013 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: No yamato, thread image =/= play compared to past town games. How does comparing yourself to your past town games as town help you finding scum in this game? I do not understand. WaveofShadow is a smart player, he does not do stupid stuff as town. He also knows how i play. I tried to get him to answer me many times. I even said "if you do not answer i'll make a case and then there is no way back". He knows what that means. At this point he can't possibly think i am scum bluefishing, if he is saying so it's so retarded i don't even know what to say. He still refuses to answer me. The case is made and when i make a case you can be sure i push that case and do it hard. WoS also knows that. He just wanted a reason for himself to OMGUS me. It is that simple. He did fuck up in the beginning and he is now trying to cover it up with bullshit reasons. Why would scum-WoS intentionally antagonize town-Rayn if he knows how you play? It doesn't make sense for him to cause himself to be pursued as scum. No, it's more likely that this is town-WoS trying to get a read on Rayn, and coming up with red. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: yamato is being exceptionally useless this game, he isnt pushing anyone and all up in someone's grill I could say the same for you. I've been here, at times, trying to get discussion going in a productive direction without much success. What have you done today? | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:52 FirmTofu wrote: WoS, why are you voting Crazometer when you have a case on rayn that you have never retracted from? Only he did retract it... >_> | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: FT gratz bro you are a townread now And you were doing so well reading the thread. | ||
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On August 22 2013 08:58 kushm4sta wrote: you have scumreads yet yamato? I'm still looking at Vayne and Koshi, and sorting through this Fuba/Rainbows thing that's developing as the next spam fest. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:00 kushm4sta wrote: wow your derision of spam wins my heart over <3 Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. | ||
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On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. Second smartest man in the thread. Not getting a feel that scum would post this. | ||
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By convincing the other people who can actually vote for him that he's scum? Arguing with your scumread often goes nowhere, as this game is testament to. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:06 kushm4sta wrote: Am i correct to believe that yamato's scum meta is laziness? I've been lazy as town plenty of times. Read day 1 of LXI. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:06 FirmTofu wrote: Umm...no he didn't. I've read his filter and there is no retraction of the scum read on rayn anywhere between these two posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=35#687 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=42#832 On August 22 2013 00:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright guys I'm up. Rayn are we done here? I will not be shitting up the thread with you today; there are far more important things to be done. Not going to vote you either; I believe yamato/fuba/oats may have the right of it. I fell asleep before I could properly look into Sn0_man, sorry. It seems him and Rainbows may be the candidates for today? Nope. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato why did you not dare to oppose my WoS case before DP died? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19555702 So many people can't read. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl This is not opposing anything, this is: 1) misreading my resons to think WoS is mafia 2) casting doubt at multiple direction without taking any clear stance on anything. There's a very clear stance. I don't think WoS is scum. Are you that thick? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, if that is true why do you in the very same post question WoS about other stuff he has done? Do you usually like to question your townreads randomly? In a tone that does not even sound like you think they are town? I question him because I don't think you're scum either? Have you just not read my filter at all? Most people seem to understand that I've been attempting to get you two to stop arguing for most of the game. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote: The context you stated certainly makes sense, the tone of the post is fairly easy to replicate as scum. Yamato, I still want to know who you want to lynch today. I'm leaning toward lynching Vayne. I've been waiting for him to become more involved in the thread but it just hasn't happened. His sideline commentary is easy to do as scum. He's also overly preoccupied with thinking that you are 3P. I have yet to see him become engaged with the thread and attempt to push any sort of scumread, quite unlike most of the people who have been considered today as lynch candidates. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yet, on N0, you did absolutely nothing to tell either one of us why we are wrong. Regarding me giving false readings from the case itself does not make me stop. For WoS you telling him "rayn is too batshit insane to be mafia"is not going to be enough. You actually did not even try to stop us. I told both of you that your reasons for thinking the other were scum were fallacious and argued this point multiple times. I don't understand how poor your reading comprehension is. | ||
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I'm leaving. When I get back, I will update my reads on players that I find suspicious and we WILL lynch one of them. | ||
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On August 22 2013 11:21 VayneAuthority wrote: yamato bro, that was your first fake case in sicilian mafia too against VE. Surely you didn't think I wouldn't notice that? So because one line is somewhat similar, it's the same case? Not even close. You've been scummy because you're doing fuck-all. I created a case on VE through false-meta pretenses. The two are literally incomparable. Your follow-up to this is to vote Sn0 in line with thread sentiment, lolol. And you want me to believe that you're honestly scumhunting. | ||
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##Vote VayneAuthority How the fuck are any of you voting alongside this dude? | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:16 VayneAuthority wrote: That one line is your entire case in conjunction with the meta stuff so yea that is your case pretty much in a nut shell. I was the first person to vote for sn0_man more bullshit please l0L. time to pick a new target because you know I don't take shit Literally meaningless. Everyone and their mom had Sn0 as scum. Being the hipster vote does not make it any less in line with thread sentiment. And no, I used zero meta in my read on you. You yourself said it was useless. You're CLASSICALLY scum, in that you are not being proactive about anything and have literally flown under everyone's scumdars the whole game except MINE. | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:23 VayneAuthority wrote: Saying somebody is scum and actually voting for them are two completely different things. One is for show, one affects the game. Please find a game where I'm proactive day 1, ill be waiting The old "I do this as town AND scum" defense. Too good. | ||
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I'll be waiting for others to sheep me as you cry in the corner. | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:34 mkfuba07 wrote: @FirmTofu: the way you described my response is the definition of my play in general. I know it means nothing coming from me, but anyone who's played with me before should be able to confirm that. Hmmm, this game is tough... I've narrowed down a few people I believe are town, but none that I can say I feel confident are scum. @yamato: Have you played with vayne before? If so, does his play this game differ in any way from his previous games? He said himself he plays a different way each game. I'm content with killing him off because he's playing exactly how scum would want to play this game. Has he received any real pressure yet? No. Among all the fighting going on, he's been ignored. I smell scum with this one. I learned better than to ignore him from Les Mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote: By that same token, you are mafia yamato. No real pressure this game yet. Yamato's case ![[image loading]](http://gifs.gifbin.com/082013/1377174052_giant_louisiana_sinkhole_swallows_trees.gif) I've been far more proactive in the thread than you have. I haven't played since yesterday, so what? I'm here now, and you still have yet to do anything to discount the feeling I have that you are mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2013 09:47 VayneAuthority wrote: and back to square one, the proactive thing again. A lot of people that like repeating stuff in this game like it somehow sounds better the second time. I've easily discredited everything you've said so far so I'll leave it at that. If you have anything new i'll be glad to demolish that too. The last time someone said "I do this as scum too" it was a MAFIA player. | ||
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On August 24 2013 12:54 kushm4sta wrote: you weren't really that lazy in lxi yamato day 1 I was. I almost got lynched bro. It's sad that you had to look up that game; you were in it. | ||
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On August 24 2013 13:16 kushm4sta wrote: I dont remember games by Roman numerals. But I do remember that you were pretty trolly and not analytical and that's why you almost got lynched. What do you think about rayne's alignments and the parity check? It's more believable that he got framed or is unaware miller than him actually being scum. Why would he risk being lynched after WoS flipped town as mafia? His whole D1 play is far too aggressive to be explained with any sort of survival mindset. | ||
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On August 24 2013 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i think FirmTofu and Oats are mafia. Why do you say that? | ||
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That's just a flat out lie, lol. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Another thing i would like you to explain. Why do you have such a strong town read on me? Because your reason was "he is too batshit insane to be scum". That is extremely weak reasoning knowing you have just played a scumgame with me. johnnywup was right on that, this game looks a lot like my play in GoT, but then again, it does look like my town games aswell. How can you possibly have a townread on me based on what i did on N0? To me it makes no sense. Because I'm good at getting townreads on players like you. How do you think I play with Oats every game? | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you did really try to convince anyone. You havn't really engaded into ANY discussion in this game besides telling vayne is mafia. Your only scumread in this game has been vayne. You have never really tried to get him lynched. The "WoS is 3p" argument you first brought up on him is bullshit, even if vayne was mafia. Who else do you think is scum? The only people I'm confident in calling NOT mafia are you and Kush, lol. Any of the rest could be mafia, given the way the game has gone. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let's talk. What do you think of what i wrote on FT & oats? I don't think your point against FT is strong (him contradicting his own read is not necessarily a scum tell), but he has been suspicious with what he's written this game and especially with how he entered the thread, as I've said before. His initial reads were written wonky with stuff like "he looks town so he's scum" and vice versa that just sounds like bullshit. Haven't read him too closely, but like I said earlier in the game I get scum vibes from him. Early on Oats seemed town but I feel like his thread presence is lower than it usually is when he's town. His reads don't seem as strong and he hasn't been particularly forward with pushing them, either. In my experience, when he's scum he's a lot more passive and agreeable and his activity tapers off. I'm not sure on him at all but it should be more clear as the game goes on. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bleh, sorry for tripleposting. This is also why i don't like Rainbows. He has played scum with me, and seems to have zero doubt on me. He should, if he is town. I don't know what to tell you except that maybe you aren't as difficult to read as town as you think you are? It's far easier to get a townread on someone than get a solid scumread. | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree that FT entered the thread the same way he did in Titanic. A big post with lots of reads that say pretty much nothing conclusive. I think his thought process was easy to follow after that, until N1 started. Then he went back to "i make no sense". So we agree on Oats. I'll take a deeper look at FT's posting since the flip. If what you say is true, he is a good person to lead the lynch against D2. On Oats, I'd prefer to wait and see. I think this is plain out wrong. In GoT i was town read for almost everyone before we decided to all in and claim scum with Acro. In Catch 22 i was town read for everyone but Hapa (and apparently Coag, and his reasons for shooting me still remain unknown to me - he just said "i didn't like you" post game). In NMXXXsomething i was town read for everyone besides the guy i accused throughout the game. Those are the games i have been able to play to my true potential as mafia. Read as town as mafia =/= read as town as town | ||
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On August 24 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato what i meant is that if you are being read as town when you are mafia by almost everyone, people should doubt their townread on you in every game. To at least some extent. I would still like you to tell me why do you think i am town, and how does my play differ from my play in games where i have been mafia? Otherwise it's hard to believe you have a "valid" read on me. Same thing could be said especially about Rainbows. I don't really care for meta comparisons much, TBH. You're town because you have a nearly 20 page filter and have been screaming at the thread to lynch your scumreads the whole game. You're the most active, most involved, most exposed player in the game. You wouldn't play this balls out as mafia because it leads you to exactly where you are; under a microscope with a cop having checked you and people wanting to vig/lynch you. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow, that was unexpected. This means johnnywup is almost definitely town. ##Vote: yamato77 His last post is 100% wrong. Lol, whatever. You wouldn't play like this as mafia. I don't care for meta comparisons, but this is more like Titanic than GoT, bro. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not mean my meta. I mean this: Being balls out and the most active and involved player in the game leads you not likely to be checked by the cop. It also leads you being a townread for most of the people. Would you seriously say anyone other than WoS would have checked me on N0 as a cop? Because the answer is no. Plenty of people weren't sold on you being town on N0, dude. Perhaps I worded that poorly. Being active as mafia means that your agenda will be more obvious, and it WILL eventually become clear what you have been doing this game, which leads to being looked at harder. No mafia wants to post 18 pages in 72 hours because you're going to get caught posting that much. Town players, however, don't care what the posts they make look like and will, as you have this game, spam the fuck away. Voting for me because you disagree with how I think mafia should play is a little ridiculous, btw. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's probably not wise to claim as a vigi even if you are the one-shot one. There is also the possibility of JOAT so keep mafia guessing. Well done! Could easily be SK, IMO. Don't count your chickens before they hatch. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, who would have chacked me on N0 as a cop in your opinion, aside from WoS? That's really not the point. | ||
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On August 24 2013 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: And yes, i always push my agenda as mafia aswell. And do it with a lot of posts. Not this many, no. Like I said, you match your TOWN meta with this, but that's not what I'm relying on here. | ||
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1) I'm not scum 2) Rayn is not cop 3) There is no red check on me | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I HAVE A RED CHECK ON VAYNE. KOSHI AND YAmATO GO ALL IN IAMMMMMMMMMMMMMM NOTEREDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!! for no reason .... t_T kill after vayne, plz. Too stupid a claim to be scum. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:08 VayneAuthority wrote: this is why yamato The offer is still on the table. If he can correlate sicilian and this game and show that special scumtell he is talking about then I will drop my vote off of him. I already told you, my read on you has nothing to do with meta. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: sorry mate, you climed scum, ggyo- I specifically said I am not scum in that post. Go to bed. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamto, i really am acop.. btw.. There's no possible way you have a red check on me, because if you are cop and had a red check on you, that means you were framed. Unless there are 2 framers, this seems impossible. You also are not cop because you wouldn't actually be so stupid as to check a miller claim. Stop pretending. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: also why are you not voting for mafia!vayne? Because you're fakeclaiming cop. I have to say, I don't understand your play from a town perspective. Could you be the SK that I theorize? 1) You'd probably shoot DP night 1, or be smart enough to hold your shot. 2) You do have a red check on you. 3) You asked to be vigged (or thought you would be vigged), but if you have a red check on you then that means you have an extra night life, no? So it matters not. Only problem is that mk claimed vig, tbh. Your N1 shot is unaccounted for. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: uhh yamato, i never said i have a red check on you? Why so defensive for no reason? So you claimed cop, but aren't pushing people because you have a red check on them? Are you fucking stupid? | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:21 kushm4sta wrote: @rayne and yamato did you see my megacase? You used meta. I don't trust you to be able to tell the difference between my town and scum games, because in all of the games I've been town but this one, you haven't even read the thread. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:25 yamato77 wrote: So you claimed cop, but aren't pushing people because you have a red check on them? Are you fucking stupid? Also, defenseive for no reason? You're fucking calling me scum in every other post! Go away. | ||
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It's not ad hominem. You aren't an expert on my meta because, truth be told, you don't even know it! | ||
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Why did you even claim cop? Ugh, whatever. I'm done. If you're actually cop, then Fuba is SK and this game is retarded. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:30 kushm4sta wrote: yamato this thread needs more seal memes plz It's sad that you could be this wrong in a game you're actually trying in. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:32 mkfuba07 wrote: rayn... what... and why....? Just stop talking to him. On a related note, how's the life of a Serial Killer? | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:34 mkfuba07 wrote: Wait, now I'm the serial killer? This game keeps getting better and better. Well, like Vayne said, it's unlikely that We have 4 power roles. 2 cops, a doc AND a vig/JOAT? Yeah, no. One of you is lying. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:39 mkfuba07 wrote: Well it isn't me. I'm gonna wait for rayn to actually explain himself because there was no reason for him to do this as any alignment. @rayn: Because I believe him to be town. Why are you acting like a dumbass? Koshi could also be lying and be SK, but that would mean, like if you were SK, that Rayn was framed N0. | ||
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1) WoS is cop and has a SAME check on Rayn/Koshi. 2) Oats is doc 3) Mkfuba claimed vig who shot Crazo 4) Koshi claimed Miller 5) Rayn claimed cop with red check on VA To comply with 1, 3, 4, and 5, Rayn MUST have been framed N1, AND VA must be scum, SK, or unaware miller. IF Rayn is lying, he could have been framed, could be unaware miller, scum, or SK. But for all those things to be true, it would mean that we have 5 power roles as town. I find that unlikely in this small setup. Therefor, I think one of 3 4 5 is false, and that one of them (Rayn/Koshi/Fuba) is SK. If I had to pick, I would say Fuba, but this isn't a very strong read. I think Rayn is actually town, and I don't see why he would, as town, fakeclaim cop. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: im not a cop, yamato is mafia, fuba is legit.  Why would I believe that you are cop? Fucking idiot. I thought you were fakeclaiming the whole time. It proves nothing. | ||
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You people think I'm scum just because you're all terrible at reading the thread. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:59 kushm4sta wrote: who are you picks for scum, yamato? vayne?? because there are a bunch of reasons why he is probably town FT, perhaps Fuba still could be SK. I honestly haven't had time to think more about other players because Rayn fucks around with this dumbass claim for 2 hours and now I have to go to work. | ||
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On August 25 2013 11:24 yamato77 wrote: [b]Because you're fakeclaiming cop.[\b] I have to say, I don't understand your play from a town perspective. Could you be the SK that I theorize? 1) You'd probably shoot DP night 1, or be smart enough to hold your shot. 2) You do have a red check on you. 3) You asked to be vigged (or thought you would be vigged), but if you have a red check on you then that means you have an extra night life, no? So it matters not. Only problem is that mk claimed vig, tbh. Your N1 shot is unaccounted for. Yet Rayn still thinks I'm mafia for not voting him when he supposedly had a red check on him. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:02 kushm4sta wrote: -FT is close to 0 percent chance of being scum due to his interactions with crazo. -I didn't ask for random sk speculation, which you seem quite content to stick to atm lol, your association tells mean nothing, Suddenly scum don't interact with scum inthe thread anymore? Did you read GoT? | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey dude. A cop who you think is town (me) has a red check on a guy (vayne) who is btw your scumread. What do you do? You say "hmm, can this check be true, NO I AM NOT MAFIA!!!!". rofl. (i did not even "check" you). ^_^ I obviously did not believe you were cop. Read the fucking post I quoted. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:05 kushm4sta wrote: i pointed out instances of scum interacting with other scum in the thread. it looks exactly like what it is what does this even mean? antecedents, bro | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, you are shitting up the thread, start posting seals ok-. says RAYN, the person who you townread WHEN HE SHITS UP THE THREAD FOR DAYS ON END LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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I obviously didn't believe you were cop. Why would I? I'm town, and you mention me as scum right after you claim cop in your filter. I thought you said you had a red check on me. You also mention Koshi as scum in a post where you claim cop. How the fuck do I know who you checked when you don't clarify it for fifty posts? It seems like a shitty fakeclaim, and that's what I thought. | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah you are scum dude. I'm a cop <3 On August 25 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh yamato is also scum.. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: IDGAF if you believe i am cop or not. Explain your post plz. Can you read? My post IS that I don't believe you are cop. WTF | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i have checked you, koshi and vayne on 2 nights. bullshit scum! Exactly why I didn't believe you, dumbass. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because iahve NEVER EVER SAID anything but "vayne is red",. Well you sure made it clear, didn't you? No, you didn't. It looked like a shitty fakeclaim, and it was. It proves nothing, because I didn't believe you were actually cop. | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you assume i have 3 checks on 2 nights? I DIDN'T, CAN YOU READ? I THOUGHT YOU WERE FAKECLAIMING COP FOR SOME DUMB REASON AND KEPT SCREWING IT UP | ||
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On August 25 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: ohg fuck yamato, sorry, i misread one of your posts. What do you think of vayne's response? Which one? | ||
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On August 25 2013 10:50 VayneAuthority wrote: one of fuba and rayne is scum, we don't have 2 cops a vig and a doctor. exactly what I thought On August 25 2013 10:51 VayneAuthority wrote: why wouldn't you just take the top 3 considering I posted it in an order? onegu, yamato, rainbows but that's clearly wrong now that you or fuba is scum whatever who cares who he thinks is scum, he's been lazy the whole game On August 25 2013 10:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I'd be glad to kill him at any time. If the votes are there, I will vote for him. Simple as that. will sheep any good wagon on the three scummy people I picked out On August 25 2013 11:02 VayneAuthority wrote: My vote is already on yamato, I do want to kill onegu but if you checked the voting (which would kill 2 birds with 1 stone here) then you will see that is not possible. My second best scumread is just as good. now ask yourself why you have yamato as cop checked scum and took your vote off him Thought the same thing I did, again. On August 25 2013 11:08 VayneAuthority wrote: this is why yamato The offer is still on the table. If he can correlate sicilian and this game and show that special scumtell he is talking about then I will drop my vote off of him. Actually proves he isn't reading the thread. I specifically say multiple times that my suspicions on him have nothing to do with meta. IF they did, I would definitely have revealed this scum tell. Sill haven't seen it. On August 25 2013 11:41 VayneAuthority wrote: why would fuba, your cc, vote with you? lol... if everyone wants to lynch rayne and sort this out im fine with that since I know I'm town. If he's really cop then he should be glad to take this offer up considering we could lynch his 2 red checks ( me and yamato ) after he flips. Considers lynching you, still thinks that you have a red check on the both of us. On August 25 2013 11:46 VayneAuthority wrote: don't know anymore with this claim. I thought you were kidding but apparently not. Only thing for sure right is one of you/fuba is scum. If you are telling the truth, lynching you pretty much secures the win for town. So why shouldn't we lynch you? Suggests it again, On August 25 2013 11:51 VayneAuthority wrote: why not prove that me, yamato, and fuba are all scum by simply martyring yourself for the greater good of the town? And again. He obviously doesn't believe you, but does this mean he isn't mafia? Not really. If his plan goes through, he might get two or three townies (two PR at that) lynched with himself. A worthy trade. | ||
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When lynches like this happen, they are always on town. | ||
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On August 25 2013 21:40 kushm4sta wrote: this is how your lynch happened last game too! Because I claimed scum | ||
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On August 25 2013 21:53 Koshi wrote: Meh, rayn went crazy. Maybe we should lynch Onegu? I don't have that town read on rayn anymore and I don't want to lynch somebody he wants to lynch. ##unvote ##vote: Onegu What makes Onegu a good lynch? | ||
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On August 25 2013 22:45 Koshi wrote: WoS was on him + see Kush cases. (Not being mentioned by Crazo is interesting.) Also Onegu tried to go for a Kush lynch for policy? While Kush was doing wayyyyyyyyyyy better than in GoT and there Onegu wasn't on Kush but fully on me. So you think him attacking Kush in this game is weird because he didn't attack a far worse Kush from GoT? IDK how alignment-indicative that is, because the two games have been vastly different in every other way. What DOES concern me about him is that he's been rather AFK this day (though he said he was in hospital?) and his vote D1 was RRRREEEEEAAAALLLYYYY sheepy. IIRC, that was why WoS was on him in the first place. | ||
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On August 25 2013 21:53 Koshi wrote: Meh, rayn went crazy. Maybe we should lynch Onegu? I don't have that town read on rayn anymore and I don't want to lynch somebody he wants to lynch. ##unvote ##vote: Onegu Also, why did your read on Rayn change? | ||
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On August 25 2013 22:59 Koshi wrote: FT: Could be scum but won't lynch VA: Nha, townread. VA can get away with doing less and not get lynched. He is actually helping atm. You don't think VA suggesting that we should lynch Rayn to confirm him as cop is weird? And why won't you lynch FT or Rayn if you suspect them as possible mafia? | ||
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On August 25 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote: Its a game of percentages. What is this supposed to mean? | ||
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On August 26 2013 02:19 Rainbows wrote: I only read to the part of both dudes claiming, what the fuck. Fakeclaims? If Rayn is town he is seriously fucking town over this game. That did NOTHING to gain town any momentum. We should lynch Yamato, and then we should lynch Onegu. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yamato When I look through your filter, I never find a reason why you think I'm scum. All you say in your vote post is some stupid list and then say you'll sheep the wagon on me. Wtf? | ||
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On August 26 2013 08:45 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck? Did you read the cases from Kush? Do you think Kush is scum? Do you think the Lion King is scum? Do you think I am scum? I don't like that VA jumps on the wagon immediately when it looks like I'm not getting lynched. Kush probably isn't scum, but that doesn't mean he's right about his reads. He thinks I'm scum after all, lol. I don't know about you. You don't seem to care who gets lynched much. | ||
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On August 26 2013 09:32 Koshi wrote: Ok thx. I am less certain about Yamato being scum atm. Even though he dodged my question completely. Onegu is safer lynch. A bit unlucky that he hasn't been around for a long time. Hopefully his health is ok. I did not dodge your question. I have no idea who lion king is, but I explained why I don't like the Onegu wagon and don't trust you. I haven't trusted you since the beginning of the game. | ||
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On August 26 2013 09:45 Koshi wrote: How many pages have you even read of this game? 6? I don't keep up with dumb nicknames people come up with. | ||
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Sn0 vs Rayn 11:00 PM on HBO | ||
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On the other, Rayn is almost certainly not scum. idk man this is a hard one to judge, need to see round 2 | ||
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On August 29 2013 11:25 yamato77 wrote: I don't like FT I like Sn0 even less | ||
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i think sn0 ##vote sn0 | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:52 Koshi wrote: Why play antitown as survivor? im not playing antitown | ||
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