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Is mafia KP factional or is a member assigned to do the deed? Roleblockable by JOAT? i ask mainly due to tracker. | ||
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On August 20 2013 08:09 Mocsta wrote: Maine is where they harvest lobsters right? Totes. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:50 DarthPunk wrote: He said that the miller should claim countless times. He then does not claim miller until much later whilst under duress and with a shit "breadcrumb" despite being active in the thread. He was an already scummy player. With a suspect as fuck miller claim. And a breadcrumb that was obviously looked for after the claim. It is possible that he was just retarded townie. But unless a better option presents itself. (which I do not believe is WoS atm) he dies. On August 21 2013 01:00 DarthPunk wrote: I'm all in on WoS. He has my hypothetical vote until he gives an answer to both the original question, butt more importantly explains his avoidance discussing it. Sup dudes. How did this happen, DP? | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I propose you read the whole thread before commenting. All I've seen is a bunch of nonsense about survivor/miller claiming, a real claim, and a case on WoS. From the impression I get, Darthpunk seems to be driving the potential lynch on Koshi. Sn0_man seems to +1 the idea and just roll with it. DP is much more vindictive about the issue, which hopefully means he's town as well. The idea that he is 'all-in' on WoS right now seems like too obvious the contradiction for scum to make. TL;DR -- people that talk a lot, hopefully they flip town. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:22 DarthPunk wrote: my flip flopping is the result of de-tunnelling rayn and then viewing the thread from the perspective of rayn being town. I got enough of a town read of rayn from the way he dealt with my tunnel that I feel good about a perspective switch. Interested to hear what oates has concluded and what kush thinks. Rainbows could be scum from the way he entered the thread. Watching closely. I asked a question, because your line of thinking seemed odd. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:32 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm sensing some Inherent Guilt here. You really didn't ask a question and DP wasn't even calling you scum for questioning him he was simply observing your thread entry and didn't approve. Yes this may be OMGUS but I don't really care. I'm certainly not outright calling you scum but if you could touch up your play a bit and not vomit stuff about me being "Passive" that would be great. Either way, for the time being I'm willing to call off the Koshi hunt on the basis that we have made our points (there isn't much else to say) and we can't lynch for 65 hours anyway. I respect DP's opinions based on what he has said this game so I'll have to re-read the WoS/Rayn interaction at some point. Not really in any hurry, and I still want to hear from the quieter players as well. People seem to be off-put that I ask a question to begin my thread presence. But hey, it's whatever. Sn0 seems like classic scum to me. Sn0 is finger pointing so much it hurts the brain. On August 20 2013 23:28 Sn0_Man wrote: Hi thread. Lets lynch Onegu. Very clear case of scum trying to look active while contributing nothing and trying to blend in as well. I'm actually not sure if this is a joke or not, so the point may be rendered moot. On August 20 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote: Oh, and while typing Koshi scum claims. Cute. On August 20 2013 23:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Hows self-aware-miller breadcrumbing possible? There's no way. Koshi scumclaimed for absolutely no reason. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. On August 20 2013 23:58 Sn0_Man wrote: N0 starts officially a disaster. Scum located but we can't lynch him for 72 hours. PS Onegu did the disappear thing. On August 21 2013 00:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Because the thread had happily agreed that SAM claims immediately, a conclusion that Koshi contributed to and supported. It has nothing to do with him being like me. Ur annoying to play with oats you don't think too much before getting in everybody's face and clouding the thread with shit slinging. I know its how you play town (hasn't changed since Newbie 36 or w/e) but its still annoying. On August 21 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: @Rainbows: -.- @geript: -.- Did nobody notice all of this? It screams of scum wanting to get a bandwagon going on somebody. For the Koshi lynch he just says "No way he is actually miller, no way. 100%. He doesn't even think about the possibility of him being the real miller--it's not town motivated. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote: between this and this, DP, what changed? I lol'd. | ||
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Because I want to figure out the nuances of scum being able to fakeclaim miller day 1? It takes mega balls, if I can see another game in which scum does this I can better figure out if Koshi is actually miller or not. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows, why are you not taking a stance on the only thing there is for realz as now (WoS case)? Why do you call out people flip-flopping around some things when you do exactly the same on important matters (like a case on WoS)? I don't really see how I'm flip flopping on a WoS case if I haven't given my opinion on it :p, You silly goose Rayn. I have a far stronger scumread on Sn0_man. Why do you consider your case the only thing that matters  .If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post. My biggest failings as a town player is pursuing my initial day 1 reads. Last game I pinned Artanis as scum but never pushed it, resulting in a townie getting lynched over him. I want to push my reads Day 1 because typically they are very good. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Rainbows is mafia too. Because I'd rather lynch Sn0 than WoS? You've played mafia with me Rayn, you should know me better than this. | ||
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ARE THE SCUM JUST NOT SAYING ANYTHING TO AVOID ATTENTION TOWARDS HIM? | ||
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Koshi, the best thing to do in the face of accusation is to keep posting so town can better read you. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows make a case on Snodude. All i see is you saying "hey guys, don't you think this and that is scummy?". Point out why is calling scummy behaviour scummy. I can understand snoman doing that as town aswell. Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come. My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches? Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion? | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote: You've nailed the scum team right there Rainbows. Me/DP/Rayn/Oats. All 4 of us making sure the thread doesn't discuss my evil scummy acts, such as calling attention to people attempting to hide in the shadows. Actually, this raises an interesting setup speculation point: How many scum are there? KP we won't be able to discuss until D1, but other points we can at least guess at. Obviously I'm guessing there are 4 scum but I'm really not well versed in setups that are not 9/12 minis. Don't do this. And I don't think Rayn is scum, DP/oats maybe but DP is hopefully town. I was referring to lurkers who, if scum, would just wait out my pressure on you. | ||
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If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean. I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread. I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent). I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots. While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0 We lynched you as soon as you replaced, not a good meta read. But I do like the responses you gave and have a few things more to mull over. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait Rainbows. The "first part of the answer" is exactly what you are accusing him of. lol. The first sentence hit me hard, the part about knowing alignments. That's exactly how I am as scum--remember the Ravens thing in our newbie? I do think town should generally be more aggressive about pursuing their scumreads, because it's an issue I struggle to overcome. The first part struck me as pretty damn townie, whether or not his actions are optimal town or not. You said it yourself that his actions could have come from either alignment. I just needed Sn0 to actually talk with me. | ||
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I'm pretty sure mkfuba07 is mafia. His push on me feels like scum trying to lynch me, as opposed to a wrong townie. As such, this post will contain obligatory amounts of OMGUS. You have been warned. Mkfuba forwarding a mislynch On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Because I'm getting really tired and likely won't be up for the daypost, this is pretty much all I've been thinking about today: I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. 1) It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. 2) This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. 2) When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. 3) But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions. 4) Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of? + Show Spoiler + Good night! 1) The premise for Fuba's case on me stems from the words of unconfirmed town. We now know that DP is town, and hopefully Rayn is as well. The way I see this: "Oh, hey, some town guys think Rainbows is mafia, so therefore I should push this mislynch. Rayn / DP will look bad after." Fuba does not try to find scum on his own, but rather piggyback off of other players in the thread. 2) These two sentences scream of waffling. Fuba knows I will flip town, and wants to set himself up for the "damn, really wasn't sure in the first place" sort of excuse. 3) Completely false information. He twists my words to justify his read. He says that my read on Koshi is "definitely town", like I know his alignment. In reality, I said that Koshi is "probably town" as in the miller claim. Probably. The miller claim is grounds for a vig shot at worst from town. 4) "CAN YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH PLEASE? I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUSH RAINBOWS WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING THAT?" Fuba also spends more of the post discussing his townreads on WoS/Rayn rather than on his suspicions of me, which I find terribly odd if he is truly town suspecting me as mafia. In addition, Fuba has done little else in the thread. Mafia love to tunnel one person into the ground at a time, piggybacking off of other's arguements as they go along. Fuba's goal so far this game has been to push my mislynch subtlety, vote, and /afk. This post is also lulzy: On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: @WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing. Hot/cold? What are your thoughts on Rainbows? Wasting time / feigning contribution. Says he doesn't speculate on things he doesn't know but does that in the entire paragraph above. What does this post do to further towns goals, how is it a town-aligned post? His filter is short and mafia. ##Vote: Mkfuba07 | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion? I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. But I'll do you a great service and go over everything WoS-related. | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so? Flip flopping is going from 'omg he town' to 'omg he scum' or something. Like I did with Sn0. Not giving opinion =/= flip flopping I never said WoS was scummy, I never gave my opinion on it. If you can find where I said 'WoS was scummy because of your case' Rayn, that'd be nice. Otherwise you're lying or misreading my posts yourself. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so). Rainbows, you said this: "If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post." Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no? Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong. Nothing about your case jumped out at me. Only the "I didn't roll shadow" thing did which was minor and not a part of your case. Your case was hard to miss (therefore it jumped out) but I never had a scumread on WoS because of it, and was rather of the no-opinion. | ||
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WoS could be mafia. If you are correct, you are a God. I will forever sheep you in future games without delay. Problem is, I can see WoS doing the "CCM meta, go look at that shit im the same" thing as town too. I've brought up my town meta as town to defend myself before; so it's not concrete. I don't want to lynch him today. Either one of you or him is mafia, or both are town (if both you dudes are scum, GGNORE). If one is mafia, I will grant that it is probably WoS over you. I'd rather not lynch WoS today--If he flips town I will Picard facepalm the thread into oblivion. Another day you might get your wish. Today we lynch Fuba. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing? Because I noticed there was a case, but barely read it. I admit this here: On August 22 2013 07:05 Rainbows wrote: I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. -snip-. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible? Maybe you can lynch Fuba and then you can sheep me? The thing with WoS is, if he were scum I'm sure he'd be all over lynching my ass into hell. He votes Crazometer? Which in itself doesn't make sense because he has a huge case on you, Rayn. God dammit why do people have to make no sense, making no sense isn't always alignment indicative T.T | ||
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On August 21 2013 14:55 WaveofShadow wrote: lol and you wonder why I want you policy shot/lynched. How in any way are you ever a useful member of a town? On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?' About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it? It's such bad play but it's so juicy and tempting. | ||
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1) I "know" Koshi is town somehow. 2) I want to Vig someone who I think might be town. First of all I don't know Koshi is town or else I wouldn't mind him being vigged n0. He claimed miller. I think it's true, but I might be wrong. It's a miller claim--there's a chance it's a fakeclaim. A fakeclaim like that at a lylo situation is just calling for scum to lynch him if he's really miller, or if he's scum completely dominate us. Vigilante's keep the wild cards out. Lurkers are wild cards, miller claims are wild cards. I find your lack of reasons and assumptions about my play bad. | ||
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Fuba - He scum or just bad? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. How else are we supposed to lynch scum? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Now wait a minute. Association reads are dumb on their own but are you insinuating that because I told fuba that I appreciated the fact that he somewhat caught on to what I was doing, we must both be scum? Congratulations for coming up with what would be the absolute most retarded scumplay of all time. I actually want to go back and consider those who decided both me and Rayn were town though---I think it was Yamato/Oats/Fuba? Usually a pretty decent scumplay to pull that 'voice of reason' shit and neither yamato nor Oats have done a hell of a lot this game so far. Yamato, scumread? What? You didn't read those quotes, did you. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:07 yamato77 wrote: I've been lazy as town plenty of times. Read day 1 of LXI. In b4 Rayn comes in: DEFENDING HIMSELF AS TOWN VIA META ----> SCUM 100% | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19555702 So many people can't read. Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so you still did not understand my case on WoS as you even jokingly bring this up? It's a joke calm your face. On August 22 2013 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes, but the above was Koshi's post. Explain to me how your quotes show that fuba and I must be scum together and how that makes any sense in the face of me talking to fuba? And FT, read my first post of today. I didn't fully retract my case on Rayn, but no one seems to want to listen to me regarding him, and I didn't want to shit up yet another day's worth of thread trying to push him. I have reason to suspect him still but I want to see what else the thread brings. You can call my vote on Craz a safe placeholder for now if you want, since I wouldn't mind lynching him. You are getting super defensive over nothing. The quotes show that you cuss out kush when he pressures Fuba, and defend Fuba when someone said he was being aggressive. I even said myself it was bad play to assume things, but it is tempting to do so :p | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:27 geript wrote: @Rainbows... you around still? Kinda sorta | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:34 geript wrote: Of Tofu, Sn0 and Crazy who do you want to lynch. Crazy -- Not much to say. Probably not atm? Lynch bait / vig food? Guy claiming VT and leaving forever isn't exactly optimal strategy for either alignment. Sn0 -- Seems like nobody actually wants to keep him around. Sign of town? I stated my reasons for him being scum early and pressured him, but there were like 2 posts that hit me and made me think he could probably be town. Tofu - Idk. The vet list was pretty useless. Either tofu or sn0. Sn0 seems like scum would pile on him because I've seen more than half the thread say "yeah ill lynch him" or something. Probably tofu? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:42 geript wrote: Would you rather lynch an active player? Koshi is the only active player I'd be interested in right now. Going through filters. Not Koshi. Not Rayn. Lynch Fuba imo. Kush count as active? Idk how to read him. | ||
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Someone tell me why he is town if you aren't willing to vote him. | ||
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Lynching Yamato/Vayne today would be not good. | ||
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On August 23 2013 11:52 johnnywup wrote: Rainbows, is the main case you have against fuba this post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=43#849 Or is there something more current that I haven't gotten to yet? Because if it's just that first post that I linked, I'm pretty unconvinced. He hasn't done anything else this game BESIDES that. He backed off his read on me and that's it. His push felt really scummy as opposed to others pushing me. If not Fuba who do we lynch, eh? | ||
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Somebody actually read Fuba though, seriously. I can't say anything other than read his filter because it's totes garbs. | ||
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On August 23 2013 12:25 kushm4sta wrote: Why is it total garbage?? Doesn't look that bad to me. Because I'm salty about the push on me which was scummy as balls, and the constant uselessness radiating from the center of Mkfuba if he is town. | ||
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Because lynching into rayn/WoS if they are both town would put us in a terrible position. I think we need to realize who everyone is most content with lynching but nobody is really pushing that hard. Scum would soft-bus all day and put buddies in the 'meh, yeah i could lynch him' zone, and can't really say they WON'T lynch the guy. Scum obviously won't push their buddy that hard unless they are ##YOLO mafia. We need some fucking closure on this lynch and fast. Do what WoS says and actually take a stance on some of these people. | ||
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FirmTofu, just because you think Fuba is scummier than me doesn't mean you're town considering I don't know the alignment of Fuba. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Sn0_Man STANCES -- GO | ||
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On August 23 2013 13:03 kushm4sta wrote: lol this flip... im going to be the only one awake for it /facepalm if doubts about sno, vote fuba and lynch him the fuck out of this game. | ||
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On August 23 2013 13:13 kushm4sta wrote: @fuba i cant really blame WoS for that post because I feel the same way! like we really need to consolidate but all the wagons look kind of townie to me and I can't decide who to consolidate on scum Oatsmaster Koshi raynpelikoneet yamato77 maybe replace one or two with a random lurkery person but it's not any of these guys are gonna get lynched because none of them look that bad If none of them look bad, how are they scum? | ||
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On August 23 2013 13:46 FirmTofu wrote: Our two lynches for today are Sno_man and WoS. Ideally, we should consolidate on one so that we can prevent scum from vote-switching to save their ally right before the deadline. Two questions for you: Which one do you think is more scummy? Why? The problem I have here is that you are omitting Fuba. WHY? Everyone is omitting the Fuba. | ||
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On August 23 2013 13:49 FirmTofu wrote: He has like one vote on him, bro. That vote is you. We don't want to give scum too many options this late into day. Yeah, let's lynch the people scum are already voting for. Because that's how you win games. I'm placing my Fuba vote final. If you guys want to kill WoS/Sn0 have fun. I'm saying they smell like mislynches, Sn0 a bit less than WoS but whatever. ##Vote: MkFuba07 | ||
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Rayn scum or framed --- confirmed. | ||
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On August 24 2013 00:19 kushm4sta wrote: scum frame miller because obviously parity cop is going to pick him. also it's either that or try and guess randomly who to frame. SCUM WILL ALWAYS FRAME MILLER Obviously scum know there is a parity cop as opposed to a regular one. /logic | ||
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Now can we lynch scum tomorrow, plz? Vig Rayne if we can. | ||
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On August 24 2013 00:25 Sn0_Man wrote: Having a SAM and a NSAM in the same game seems a bit excessive but what do I know. Either way, we have a solid if not 100% certain red check. The whole point of Framers Godfathers Millers etc is to force people to THINK about checks not just "lol check okay we win". As such, lets THINK about rayn. If you guys don't think he is scum after his performance N0/D1 and how hard he pushed WoS (note how he begged for a Vig kill on our blue role lmao) then I'm not sure what to say. You sided with him on the vote because he shouted the loudest. Now that it is PROVEN he is full of shit by WoS flipping town (blue even) can we just lynch the obvious scum? Saying WoS was blue does nothing to help this post. | ||
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If scum could not shoot me that'd be fantastic as well. | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:43 FirmTofu wrote: Agreed on Oats. The Rainbows/mkfuba interaction was a funny one. Rainbow's case wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly good either. It reminds me of Clarity's Day 1 case on me in Titanic. Nothing was damning and most of it was to elicit some kind of response. mkfuba's defense looks especially constructed and careful. There's some instances when he draws attention to how "unsure" he is. See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521¤tpage=47#933 Sentences like, "I could be overthinking it entirely" are not what I expect from town. I think mkfuba looks scummier than rainbows. On August 23 2013 12:19 Rainbows wrote: For the sake of consolidation I'm content with FT or Onegu perhaps. On August 23 2013 12:42 FirmTofu wrote: Rainbows, if you have any doubts about my alignment, please read my post regarding you and fuba. On August 23 2013 12:47 Rainbows wrote: FirmTofu, just because you think Fuba is scummier than me doesn't mean you're town considering I don't know the alignment of Fuba. Bolded is the main part I have trouble with. Why does he think his post will tell me his alignment (assumingly, town)? Does he know I'm town advocating his lynch here? It's been bothering me a LOT. | ||
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On August 24 2013 23:09 kushm4sta wrote: scumteam is yamato, mkfuba, onegu final answer no take backs MKFUBA YES KILL WITH FIRE | ||
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On August 24 2013 23:19 kushm4sta wrote: yo rainboys, ft has to be town. this quote basically confirms him town: I was actually just looking at that in Onegu's filter. It doesn't confirm FT town, though it helps, but it makes Onegu look like scum. | ||
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johnnywup <---- Pandas? Sn0_Man <---- Hodor? mkfuba07 FirmTofu <--- maybe mafia, if mafia with craze/mkfuba then decently good at distancing. Onegu Rainbows kushm4sta Koshi raynpelikoneet <--- lol yamato77 Yeah I like this list, a lot. I'd prefer Mkfuba but I guess I sheep for now. ##Vote: Yamato77 | ||
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Fuba is probably Vigilante. If he is SK it makes no sense for him to claim. If he's mafia, then they must know there is an SK and it is safe to fakeclaim. With no kill N1, I doubt there is an SK. If we see multiple kills in future nights then we can speculate. Is Rayn contributing to a town atmosphere at all here? I'm more inclined to believe he's some sort of mafia baneling to shit up the thread. A cop claim? I faked cop as mafia before and everyone went with it at lylo... problem is, Rayn isn't being clear as to wtf he's saying. Red check on Vayne? Is Yamato mafia? Idk. @Hosts Can Alignment Cops be insane, paranoid, etc? 4 blues isn't that far-fetched. In 3-scum games there are often 3 blues. Especially if there is a GF and framer like some people suggest, as well as a miller, 2 cops seems actually balanced. This cop claim does make me Picard Facepalm in it's conception, if real. I don't trust Rayn. That being said, the Yamato lynch is poop right now. I'm more inclined to believe mafia are being silent and letting the lynch just happen. Ugh. I'll lynch pretty much anyone right now except Koshi or Kush -- lmfao. When you don't want to lynch Kush you know the game is fucked. @Rayn Who were your two 'checks', n0 and n1, and why didn't you check fucking WoS?? | ||
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WHY WOULD RAYN ASK TO BE VIGGED IF HE'S COP? HE'D WANT TO LIVE TO GET HIS EXTRA CHECK. | ||
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Fakeclaims? If Rayn is town he is seriously fucking town over this game. That did NOTHING to gain town any momentum. We should lynch Yamato, and then we should lynch Onegu. ##Unvote ##Vote: Yamato | ||
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On August 26 2013 02:24 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Onegu first tbh. We will see what happens. Okay we can do this too ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu Afk rest of day. | ||
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i accept your vig claim because its stupid not to. I'm not going to tunnel an un-cc'd vig claim. Unless there is possibility you're SK, I think you're town. It's good because I dont have to waste my time wanting to lynch you and lynch scum instead. Id rather the scummiest on my radar have claims to pseudo confirm them because it narrows the list. FT could be scum since apparently mkfuba isnt. At least one of onegu and yamato is. maybe rayn, and maybe sn0. I highly doubt vayne or koshi or kush to be scum atm. Havent read into johnny much tbh. Lynch a dude woohoo. | ||
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I think its yamato /FT / sn0 | ||
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On August 27 2013 11:08 yamato77 wrote: Next primetime bout: Sn0 vs Rayn 11:00 PM on HBO  | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:01 Alakaslam wrote: Fixed, in my own way. Although I chose nothing in the setup, I shall say the following: Don't be a donkey. Foolishness approved this setup, and post game, I will explain why I personally don't approve of balance talk until post game. And you think this is "bad"... Hah, wait until Foolishness allows me to host >: ) (may never happen, perhaps he too wise) ¡Hasta vote count primero! Wow thanks for letting us know koshi is miller. | ||
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FT dies woop woop go lynch. ##Vote: FirmTofu If he is scum I'm looking at Kush, actually. | ||
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I will provide the thread will some sexy music to jam to throughout the day. Get pumped for lynching FirmTofu! | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:29 Sn0_Man wrote: Well that doesn't make me comfortable. Why? | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Because I have a solid scumread on you and now I'm voting with you. One would assume it should make you uncomfortable too since I'm your "strongest" scumread if I read your recent posts. So how does that make you feel about FT? Am I bussing him? | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Good question. As far as I can tell yes. In reality it makes me more interested in lynching you first, though I'm not sure if I can actually pull that off right now. It sounds like you have already thought through this WIFOM and chose this bus route, but that is very confirmation biased (NOT LIKE THAT STOPPED ME BEFORE). Well Sn0, I am 100% not mafia. You don't want to lynch me. In fact, even if you're mafia, you might want to let me live until lylo. We're going to lynch FT today and it will be glorious. Why exactly do you think Vayne is mafia? Crazo like cased the fuck out of him before getting LOLshot. | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote: Yeah Rainbows is town. There are a couple posts he made that are 100% town. My good friend Mr Snowman, let's not use the fact that he tunneled townies make him scum. Because every fucking townie so far seem to have tunneled townies hardcore. (rayn, you, me) This. Literally NOBODY has caught scum this game and confirmed it. Except the vig shot. | ||
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On August 28 2013 03:08 FirmTofu wrote: Rainbows, if you are town, can you explain why you think Sn0_man is town? I've seen Koshi's explanation. I've seen Sn0_man's explanation. I haven't seen yours. It's not so much I think he's town as I have no idea anymore. | ||
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Thinking. Back later. We lynch Sn0 or FT. | ||
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I see we're lynching Yamato. This looks like fun! Taking zero credit for this lynch regardless of flip. ##Vote: Yamato77 | ||
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On August 29 2013 19:33 Koshi wrote: Could you be less fucking obnoxious? Thank you. | ||
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Kush is just town, lol. | ||
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No way. | ||
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Lol. It's okay, I love you Koshi. | ||
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On August 29 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote: Now let's see if Yamato was speaking the truth about an SK. Will be funzies. Highly doubt that. Brb school. | ||
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DAY 1 - TOWN LYNCH WaveofShadow: (7) Raynepelikoneet, Oatsmaster, mkfuba07, kushm4sta, Koshi, Onegu, johnnywup Kushm4sta: (1) Crazometer mkfuba07: (1) Rainbows Sn0_Man: (2) FirmTofu,Waveofshadow VayneAuthority: (2) Yamato77, Sn0_Man Yamato77: (1) VayneAuthority DAY 2 - TOWN LYNCH Onegu: (5) Koshi, Rainbows, mkfuba07, VayneAuthority, Johnnywup Yamato77: (3) Kushm4sta, Onegu, Raynepelikoneet Raynepelikoneet: (1) Sn0_Man Rainbows: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu DAY 3 - MAFIA LYNCH yamato77: (6) kushm4sta, Koshi, mkfuba07, Sn0_Man, VayneAuthority, johnnywup, Rainbows Sn0_Man: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu | ||
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Are you insistent on a Vayne lynch? Why not Sn0_Man or FirmTofu? One of them is certainly scum. | ||
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Koshi and Johnny are the only two non-confirms on the list that voted WoS. Both also voted Onegu, and Vayne is pretty town. So we're lynching Johnny, right? Nothing redeeming about him, eh. | ||
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We've had Fuba around as confirmed town for two nights. Why wasn't he shot? Mafia thought Rayn / Kush were far larger threats than a confirmed town. Which leads me to believe rayn/kush were on the right track and fuba is on the wrong one. We only have one confirmed sn0, and that's Fuba. I'm paranoid about Koshi but he's probably town with this bad setup. You aren't confirmed, but i'd rather lynch FT / johnny over you. | ||
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I think Yamato / FT wanted to push my mislynch on D2. Once Rayn said he wasn't interested in voting Yamato, they switched so damn fast. see? On August 26 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i feel less good about yamato lynch. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Rainbows On August 26 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: I'd feel more comfortable lynching Rainbows than Onegu. It seems like Onegu is out of commission or something, he hasn't even posted today. Plus, the wagon looks suspect given that it's popped up so suddenly. ##Vote: Rainbows On August 26 2013 17:23 FirmTofu wrote: Ok I caught something suspicious in rainbows filter. He voted sn0 very briefly then invited to something stupid that kush said. The unvote wasn't really justified based on his stated beliefs. Looks a lot like a bus. Also, rainbows has been looking rather diffident since fuba became confirmedish town vig. Looks like he's shooting in the dark, not really doing anything of value to town. I can lynch him. He's definitely a better lynch than Onegu. ##vote: Rainbows This is also super distancing from an onegu lynch On August 26 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote: Sn0_man is mafia. Onegu isn't. I retract all previous accusations of Onegu. Onegu is playing far too differently than his scum games to be scum. Scum Onegu is aggressive and hot-headed. Most of his cases are OMGUS. This game he voluntarily pursued me. He initiate confrontation and pursued it to such an extent that it made him a viable alternative lynch to Yamato. Scum Onegu never plays like this. Scum Onegu doesn't take these kinds of risks. Sn0_man is totes scum. I cannot believe how much he has gotten away with since he survived the lynch. Scum clearly shifted the tide of WoS/Sn0 wagons. The fact that the wagons were so close is a testament to this fact. Sn0 has been tunneled on a handful of people the entire game. He hasn't bothered to provide reads on anyone else and has been content watching the game from the sidelines making baseless accusation towards rayn and koshi(probably a bus) the whole game. The , his only post today was a wasted vote towards rayn who is next to impossible to lynch right now. He hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire game and we are gonna lose because no one is fucking realizing this fact. | ||
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For the crime of being mafia. If you are town, tell me who is mafia and why. Because nothing you've done this game has proven to me that you're town. | ||
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We should be lynching tofu. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: yea i do, johnny is better I'll consider that lynch.Convince me. | ||
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On September 01 2013 14:15 johnnywup wrote: oh wait is the lynch like today 5.5 hours, son. | ||
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Seems legit :p | ||
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##Vote: 24-hour day cycle Hi Koshi, wanna talk? | ||
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VayneAuthority johnnywup Sn0_Man mkfuba07 Rainbows Koshi I'll admit I'm not 100% sure on you Koshi because the setup is actually batshit retarded. | ||
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I don't think scum can win from here? Concede? If it's not Johnny it's probably Vayne. If Koshi is mafia I want him to win. | ||
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I just said if you're mafia I want you to win. In which case, we yolo lynch johnny/vayne. | ||
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And scum should concede. | ||
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Did nobody catch my crumbs? Because only Koshi seemed to get my play. | ||
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My main breadcrumb was the "Survivor - Eye of the Tiger" video, and calling myself "Not mafia" instead of town. I also told Sn0 that if he was mafia he'd want to keep me alive at lylo, lol. | ||
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Why did anyone want to lynch vayne he was obvious town? | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:31 Sn0_Man wrote: I still need halps seeing anything vayne did as remotely townie lol. He simply didn't do anything. Ah well, water under the bridge. The fact that scum tried to push his mislynch all game was evidence enough for me. | ||
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