Persona 4 Mini Mafia - Page 2

On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote:

I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean.

I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread.

I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent).

I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots.

On August 21 2013 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote:

I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0

On August 21 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Wait Rainbows. The "first part of the answer" is exactly what you are accusing him of. lol.

On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
Because I'm getting really tired and likely won't be up for the daypost, this is pretty much all I've been thinking about today:

I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts.

The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. 1) It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. 2) This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post:


The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. 2) When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. 3) But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions.
4)
Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of?

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On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
@WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing.

Hot/cold?

What are your thoughts on Rainbows?

On August 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion?

On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it.

First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping.
Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case".

Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place?

Another thing that bothers me is this post:

This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so?

On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so).

Rainbows, you said this:
"If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post."
Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no?

Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong.

On August 22 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing?

On August 22 2013 07:05 Rainbows wrote:


I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. -snip-.

On August 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible?

On August 21 2013 14:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol and you wonder why I want you policy shot/lynched.
How in any way are you ever a useful member of a town?

On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?'

About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it?

On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote:

Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days.

I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless.

On August 22 2013 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

Now wait a minute. Association reads are dumb on their own but are you insinuating that because I told fuba that I appreciated the fact that he somewhat caught on to what I was doing, we must both be scum?

Congratulations for coming up with what would be the absolute most retarded scumplay of all time.

I actually want to go back and consider those who decided both me and Rayn were town though---I think it was Yamato/Oats/Fuba? Usually a pretty decent scumplay to pull that 'voice of reason' shit and neither yamato nor Oats have done a hell of a lot this game so far.

Yamato, scumread?

On August 22 2013 09:07 yamato77 wrote:

I've been lazy as town plenty of times. Read day 1 of LXI.

On August 22 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19555702

So many people can't read.

On August 22 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay so you still did not understand my case on WoS as you even jokingly bring this up?

On August 22 2013 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote:


Yes, but the above was Koshi's post. Explain to me how your quotes show that fuba and I must be scum together and how that makes any sense in the face of me talking to fuba?

And FT, read my first post of today.
I didn't fully retract my case on Rayn, but no one seems to want to listen to me regarding him, and I didn't want to shit up yet another day's worth of thread trying to push him. I have reason to suspect him still but I want to see what else the thread brings. You can call my vote on Craz a safe placeholder for now if you want, since I wouldn't mind lynching him.

On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why?
Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people.