If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course.
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If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:23 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean. I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread. I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent). I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots. While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0 We lynched you as soon as you replaced, not a good meta read. But I do like the responses you gave and have a few things more to mull over. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait Rainbows. The "first part of the answer" is exactly what you are accusing him of. lol. The first sentence hit me hard, the part about knowing alignments. That's exactly how I am as scum--remember the Ravens thing in our newbie? I do think town should generally be more aggressive about pursuing their scumreads, because it's an issue I struggle to overcome. The first part struck me as pretty damn townie, whether or not his actions are optimal town or not. You said it yourself that his actions could have come from either alignment. I just needed Sn0 to actually talk with me. | ||
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I'm pretty sure mkfuba07 is mafia. His push on me feels like scum trying to lynch me, as opposed to a wrong townie. As such, this post will contain obligatory amounts of OMGUS. You have been warned. Mkfuba forwarding a mislynch On August 21 2013 14:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Because I'm getting really tired and likely won't be up for the daypost, this is pretty much all I've been thinking about today: I'm not really convinced of either WoS or rayn being scum. I answered WoS's question the way I did because he seemed to be suggesting that something big was coming, which in my mind always means some kind of reveal. I'm not sure what that could be, other than a roleclaim. Thus the theory was born. It feels like their cases against each other can be summed up as "town WoS didn't feel like answering a question" and "town rayn got annoyed that WoS didn't answer his question". I can certainly see how each case could describe the other person's actions as though they're scum, but I don't really see why the town explanation isn't simpler. As it is now, I'd probably guess both as town due to how many times I've seen this kind of townie v. townie fighting D1. And the fact that neither wagon (even though we haven't really started voting yet) picked up a whole lot of steam throughout the night kind of makes me think I'm right. I guess we'll see more when D1 actually starts. The only person I've actually had reasonably strong scum feelings for this game has been Rainbows. 1) It started when both rayn and DP claimed to have seen something that made them sure he was scum, at a time when it seemed to me as though rayn and DP were likely different alignments themselves. 2) This may have skewed my view towards him too strongly towards scum, but I think it could still be right. I looked into his filter and found this post: The bolded section makes me feel like he *knows* that Koshi is green. It seems like he knows those who are pushing Koshi will look guilty in the event of his lynch. It's as though he's saying, "even though DP lynched Koshi, the push seemed genuine so he's probably town," but phrased before the fact. 2) When I first found this I felt so sure that I was right, but I later realized that he could just be really, really sure that Koshi is town, and finds it scummy that anyone would push him when that's so obvious. This made me doubt my read. 3) But on the other hand, he still suggests that Koshi is a viable vig shot (in the nested quotes above), which is at odds with a "definitely town" read. Ultimately, he seems to know more than he should and when I try to explain his post from a town perspective I find contradictions. 4) Anyone think I'm way off? And rayn + DP: What was the evidence that you're now unsure of? + Show Spoiler + Good night! 1) The premise for Fuba's case on me stems from the words of unconfirmed town. We now know that DP is town, and hopefully Rayn is as well. The way I see this: "Oh, hey, some town guys think Rainbows is mafia, so therefore I should push this mislynch. Rayn / DP will look bad after." Fuba does not try to find scum on his own, but rather piggyback off of other players in the thread. 2) These two sentences scream of waffling. Fuba knows I will flip town, and wants to set himself up for the "damn, really wasn't sure in the first place" sort of excuse. 3) Completely false information. He twists my words to justify his read. He says that my read on Koshi is "definitely town", like I know his alignment. In reality, I said that Koshi is "probably town" as in the miller claim. Probably. The miller claim is grounds for a vig shot at worst from town. 4) "CAN YOU PUSH THIS MISLYNCH PLEASE? I KNOW YOU GUYS WANTED TO PUSH RAINBOWS WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS DOING THAT?" Fuba also spends more of the post discussing his townreads on WoS/Rayn rather than on his suspicions of me, which I find terribly odd if he is truly town suspecting me as mafia. In addition, Fuba has done little else in the thread. Mafia love to tunnel one person into the ground at a time, piggybacking off of other's arguements as they go along. Fuba's goal so far this game has been to push my mislynch subtlety, vote, and /afk. This post is also lulzy: On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: @WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing. Hot/cold? What are your thoughts on Rainbows? Wasting time / feigning contribution. Says he doesn't speculate on things he doesn't know but does that in the entire paragraph above. What does this post do to further towns goals, how is it a town-aligned post? His filter is short and mafia. ##Vote: Mkfuba07 | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rainbows could you amongst others read the last pages and give me a recap on what do you think of the case on WoS (it's been talked about a lot on D1). You clearly did misread my case on D1, does this change your opinion? I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. But I'll do you a great service and go over everything WoS-related. | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: mkfuba, this post and importantly these parts of it. First bold; That's the definition of flip flopping. Second bold; Rainbows says WoS is scummy because of what i wrote in my case. But he still does not have opinion on it? Also he falls into the category "misread rayn's case". Speaking of which, Fuba. You do fall into the same category aswell. Why? Is it really so that DarthPunk and Koshi are the only people bright enough to be able to read what i wrote about WoS in the first place? Another thing that bothers me is this post: This is what i want explained Fuba. You started getting suspicious of Rainbows when me + DP called him scum at the same time, without knowing the reason. Why? You say at that time you thought me + DP are differing alignment. How does that make sense, based only on our accusation on Rainbows, that he is mafia? You surely thought that, which one of us was bussing and why would one of us do so? Flip flopping is going from 'omg he town' to 'omg he scum' or something. Like I did with Sn0. Not giving opinion =/= flip flopping I never said WoS was scummy, I never gave my opinion on it. If you can find where I said 'WoS was scummy because of your case' Rayn, that'd be nice. Otherwise you're lying or misreading my posts yourself. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuba & Rainbows. Yeah i miused "flip flopping". I meant Rainbows talks about WoS case earlier but does not give any comment on it. He lists things that have happened in thread and then he did not comment on those happenings in any way, or told why they are dumb (if he thinks so). Rainbows, you said this: "If you're fishing for my read on WoS, your case seems rather meta reliant and I want to see his stance on things and a response. Nothing jumped out at me from the reading of the thread other than your post except his 'I didn't roll shadow" post." Correct me if i am wrong but with my reading comprehension the bolded part means "these are things i find out to be scummy from WoS", no? Fuba. Your case on Rainbows has not much in my opinion. I do not understand what you are saying in the paragraph you wrote after quoting his post. Actually Rainbow's points agains you from the very same paragraph make a hell lot more sense to me. It also does not help you you are asking other people if they think you are wrong or not. You are supposed to tell people why you are right in someone being mafia, not say things and ask if you are wrong. Nothing about your case jumped out at me. Only the "I didn't roll shadow" thing did which was minor and not a part of your case. Your case was hard to miss (therefore it jumped out) but I never had a scumread on WoS because of it, and was rather of the no-opinion. | ||
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WoS could be mafia. If you are correct, you are a God. I will forever sheep you in future games without delay. Problem is, I can see WoS doing the "CCM meta, go look at that shit im the same" thing as town too. I've brought up my town meta as town to defend myself before; so it's not concrete. I don't want to lynch him today. Either one of you or him is mafia, or both are town (if both you dudes are scum, GGNORE). If one is mafia, I will grant that it is probably WoS over you. I'd rather not lynch WoS today--If he flips town I will Picard facepalm the thread into oblivion. Another day you might get your wish. Today we lynch Fuba. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why did you not just say "I think your case on WoS is bad because of XYZ" in the first place instead of saying "there is a case on WoS" and then nothing? Because I noticed there was a case, but barely read it. I admit this here: On August 22 2013 07:05 Rainbows wrote: I'll be honest Rayn, I never fully read any of the stuff on WoS. I don't have much time, so I skimmed his filter and the cases and went 'eeeeeh, prolly town'. -snip-. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we lynch WoS so you can start the sheeping as soon as possible? Maybe you can lynch Fuba and then you can sheep me? The thing with WoS is, if he were scum I'm sure he'd be all over lynching my ass into hell. He votes Crazometer? Which in itself doesn't make sense because he has a huge case on you, Rayn. God dammit why do people have to make no sense, making no sense isn't always alignment indicative T.T | ||
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On August 21 2013 14:55 WaveofShadow wrote: lol and you wonder why I want you policy shot/lynched. How in any way are you ever a useful member of a town? On August 22 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Is this your promised 'D2 town reveal?' About fooba dooba: I agree that his activity and posting resembles that of Basterd, but I wouldn't call his play aggressive in the slightest. What has been aggressive about it? It's such bad play but it's so juicy and tempting. | ||
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1) I "know" Koshi is town somehow. 2) I want to Vig someone who I think might be town. First of all I don't know Koshi is town or else I wouldn't mind him being vigged n0. He claimed miller. I think it's true, but I might be wrong. It's a miller claim--there's a chance it's a fakeclaim. A fakeclaim like that at a lylo situation is just calling for scum to lynch him if he's really miller, or if he's scum completely dominate us. Vigilante's keep the wild cards out. Lurkers are wild cards, miller claims are wild cards. I find your lack of reasons and assumptions about my play bad. | ||
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Fuba - He scum or just bad? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:02 yamato77 wrote: Honestly I'm just tired of people calling each other scum and arguing about it for days. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that this is fucking pointless. How else are we supposed to lynch scum? | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Now wait a minute. Association reads are dumb on their own but are you insinuating that because I told fuba that I appreciated the fact that he somewhat caught on to what I was doing, we must both be scum? Congratulations for coming up with what would be the absolute most retarded scumplay of all time. I actually want to go back and consider those who decided both me and Rayn were town though---I think it was Yamato/Oats/Fuba? Usually a pretty decent scumplay to pull that 'voice of reason' shit and neither yamato nor Oats have done a hell of a lot this game so far. Yamato, scumread? What? You didn't read those quotes, did you. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:07 yamato77 wrote: I've been lazy as town plenty of times. Read day 1 of LXI. In b4 Rayn comes in: DEFENDING HIMSELF AS TOWN VIA META ----> SCUM 100% | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19555702 So many people can't read. Reading this post (linked) actually makes me think Yamato is town. | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so you still did not understand my case on WoS as you even jokingly bring this up? It's a joke calm your face. On August 22 2013 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes, but the above was Koshi's post. Explain to me how your quotes show that fuba and I must be scum together and how that makes any sense in the face of me talking to fuba? And FT, read my first post of today. I didn't fully retract my case on Rayn, but no one seems to want to listen to me regarding him, and I didn't want to shit up yet another day's worth of thread trying to push him. I have reason to suspect him still but I want to see what else the thread brings. You can call my vote on Craz a safe placeholder for now if you want, since I wouldn't mind lynching him. You are getting super defensive over nothing. The quotes show that you cuss out kush when he pressures Fuba, and defend Fuba when someone said he was being aggressive. I even said myself it was bad play to assume things, but it is tempting to do so :p | ||
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On August 22 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Why? Decently easy as scum to come up with a lot of shit on a lot of people. But he doesn't have to make that post as scum. He can just let the shitfest between you and Rayn continue and say nothing provided you both are town. He also has a level of pissoffery that I don't associate with scum typically. | ||
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