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Random musing before sleep, I name MrZentor a Nothingmaster. Pop dat sweet, sweet filter open.
I initially took this for an actual murky claim:On August 30 2013 10:57 MrZentor wrote:
Is everybody okay with me deciding who we lynch today?
However, now that we KNOW geript (or someone else if geript super playacting) can essentially decide a lynch, if Zentor was hinting at something we'd have two people that can singlehandedly control a lynch?
Apart from that:On September 01 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 17:20 AxleGreaser wrote:
@WOS Untunnelling
##unvote WOS
(flips coin)
##vote MrZentor
Seems legit. MrZentor's last post before this was 11:37 TL time Aug 30.
Axle posts that vote 17:20 Aug 31.
Zentor responds 5:04 Sept 1.
Either Zentor just ctrl Fs his name, or he read/followed thread over the course of 2 days and provided nothing at all. He also went into the voting thread and voted geript at 5:17 TL time, 13 minutes after his "seems legit" post.
Reads thread + adds nothing at all + odd 13 minute period where he posts in thread then votes later = scum. If someone was active in Black Mesa during that time period, please let us know, it's likely him and it gives another explanation, but...MrZentor be scum.
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(And yes I know Zentor and activity is total lynchbait and haven't compared it to any other games but ...)
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On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch  Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it.
So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day?
When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen?
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On September 01 2013 14:56 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats. + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day? When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen?
Not explaining it again. Read my filter.
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right ok.
Huh. So I guess we are gonna waste 2 days..
Game with Voterigger is lame GreyMist.
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On September 01 2013 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 14:56 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 01 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:geript town guys. Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target. lol BH again victim of the lynch Which totally explains why my vote on SHiaoPi was moved. Thanks for your contributions as always Oats. + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision. I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day? When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen? Not explaining it again. Read my filter.
I have.
Originally here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19646000
you said
On September 01 2013 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others.
Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi? Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh. I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so.
you said this subsequently
On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it.
and in my filter I explained that my plan was fine even if some of the three were scum
yet still even though you "I am fine with AG's plan" you cant swap your vote onto the geript wagon to enable my plan to work? even though I say the thing you are concerned about (BH's confidence in going along with it) is fine.
Playing as town is hard... you have to cooperate with people you only probably think are townies...(in this case me and my plan) its the effort to try and do that I am not seeing. That part of playing as town is also hard to fake as scum.
So yes even though you have explained that in your filter... I could do with you clarifying why some more.
(people reading this exchange ought remember that in my own statistical opinion i tunnel WOS like trojan. So form your own opinions please. Also note I tunnel him in games I am not playing just reading...)
@thread
What I am looking for when analysing what happened when i tried make my plan go down is who acted like a townie would. As the situation (me wanting specific 3 votes was unusual as mentioned earlier in my filter scummers were trying to fake stuff they had never done as townie... aka work out how suspicious as a towny they ought be of my weird arse sounding plan.)
yes its thin, so is trying to read what happened from the votes on someone that never flipped (geript) when he then redirected the lynch onto someone that hadn't even be a contender.
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On September 01 2013 15:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
right ok.
Huh. So I guess we are gonna waste 2 days..
Game with Voterigger is lame GreyMist.
I could argue we might wind up wasting 5 so which 2 days are you referring too?
(game or real days BTW)
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we are gonna waste day 2 because we lynch geript.
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On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb.
Axle, I presume you wanted scum to vote for you so that you could find out who they were if they had voted for you, or at least this is what you want us to believe (not saying this in a negative way, perhaps you posited this plan to instill fear and get reactions).
Hiro is scum.
- Axle wanted a handful of votes, and requested that scum vote for him. --> Axle wouldn't have to ask in the thread for scum to vote for him if he was scum. Nor does this idea that giving people voting for him powers make any sense when I'm sure there's plenty of power already floating around, and additionally ANYONE could vote for Axle to receive the same benefits if it indeed has that property. From this, I posit that Axle is probably town.
- Hiro refused to go along with the plan and thus had something to fear. --> No statement that it would contradict his own powers or play, simply disregarded it entirely on some crazy power scheme. Where does Hiro get the idea that Axle is going to empower the people voting for him? I'm not seeing it. I see Axle trying to further his own goals with these votes.
- Insane focus on BH that is explained in his post [here]. --> BH is BH, his classic mafia tell is really easy to see especially when you are on the receiving end of his abuse. Was he abusive to Cora early game? In a manner of speaking, yes. Would scum BH give up on being a giant rectum when his target of abuse left the game? Hell. No.
- Being Brown is the essence of being unreadable. --> There's only really one question here: does Hiro's role have anything to do with Chezinu or the Brotherhood of the Brown? If so, who is the scribe? If not, there's no reason for him to be brown. Also, he's doing Brown wrong.
On September 01 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan? probably because they're both scum.
I got you bbygrl
Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro.
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Blazinghand has been lynched! Alakaslam initiative states code red! + Show Spoiler +Translation: Alakaslam goes all ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/frnXxyM.gif) with tears of rage & stuff
##ACTIVATE: CHRONOSPHERE
Chronosphere: charging.
+ Show Spoiler +Well I warned you. . . whoever you are
If not player initiated oh well! I stick to my guns!
Wow this post took surprisingly long to make
maybe I couldn't see through the tears.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 01 2013 08:20 HiroPro wrote:^ what he said.
So what was your reason?
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On September 01 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
we are gonna waste day 2 because we lynch geript.
I would have thought someone would try the other option.
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On September 01 2013 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:On September 01 2013 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else Your confidence in shitflinging on the back of AG's play is cause for concern to me. I'm sorry  What I mean to say is, I can't imagine a reason NOT to go along with AG's plan. It seems like he's aware of the risks and has chosen wisely. Geript is getting lynched anyways. His power won't help the people voting him, it seems to be that he gets information about those people. If you think I'm scum, you shoudl be EAGER for me to follow AG's plan, right? It's just this. I still think you're scummy, and as such you shouldn't be this confident in following along with a town-aligned plan like AG's. Some of your actions resonate as being from a town perspective, like this one, but I still can't connect it to the fact that you refuse to actively participate in scumhunting in this game so I have to assume scum.
Hmmm.. you're referring to this, WoS?
I mean, I didn't have a townread on BH but Axle said it was fine if there was a scum voting him among the three he mentioned.
I don't really understand why you decided that it was dangerous BECAUSE bh was on him???
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Shoulda refreshed before posting, took me a while to find that WoS post >.<
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
OK, lets see if I can do something badass tonight
/roll 1d20 + 9
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hahahahaha
How many people die hapa?
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
Wait...hapa's playing? I don't see him in the player list
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Hapababy
Consider my interest peaked
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hassy loool
oops.
So at least geript dies TONIGHT GUYS. SOMEONE SHOOT HIM.
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I dont have a gun. Can someone give me a gun?
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