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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On August 31 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we not lynch geript for being an asshole and noisy? Because that means hes town.............. Who the fuck said that was the reason? What are you even talking about Oats? Are you scum? | ||
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote: OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I tend to base my estimates of some ones alignment on my thoughts not theirs. However overly simplistic or overly rigid interpretations that come out how the poster wants them are a flag. Does your rule only limit to BH? Oh gawd when players start making scum calls based on single pieces of evidence that are not the link to scum QT, then I then I start to think they are scum, then I remember and sigh. THEN I REMEMBER ITS VE AND VE IS ALWAYS SO SERIOUS IT HERTZ. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
only because you asked + Show Spoiler [so nicely] + On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand (ebwopped to) wrote: Seriously though show me how it makes sense for P(Blazinghand is town|Blazinghand knew cora would rq) < 1 and I will be amazed On August 31 2013 10:33 Blazinghand wrote: er, < 1? or ~Blazinghand is town? pretend I wrote that in a way that makes sense and is mathy and impressive The trouble with mathy and impressive is it is harder to create false dichotomies. If (in a game almost but not quite exactly like this one) you were scum and Cora was scum.... if the QT you two were arguing about stuff. and it spilled over into the thread.... and thus even if Cora was made to rage quit then the replacement was going to be good enough... (to be a win) Now in that reality mathematically (but not morally) there is no downside? As scum its win win + Show Spoiler [As per RandomBums post] + On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote: I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do. I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good. In that reality either the two scum rage at one another giving distance + shit up the thread. One of them quits and gets replaced by the widely renowned scum player Dandle.... See Sig line | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 31 2013 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Things to respond to. @Black Mesa Bullshit So, from what I gather, BM is: 1) A separate QT organization thing with a bunch of people in it. Apparently there is no wincon or it is hidden or those people don't want to tell us? 2) Some scum are probably inside. Not sure this is worth looking into right now. @ Geript claim Unlynchable. Lynching him provides no alignment-indicative information. He's either unlynchable townie OR unlynchable mafia. Let night actions take care of it, have someone shoot him in the face or something. I think lynching a guy who has the likelihood of being not-lynched is a bad play from a town perspective. Let's say we lynch him and he lives. VE and company will still be paranoid he's mafia that was 1-shot lynchproof or something. Paranoid is the worst enemy you can have in a mafia game, especially when GreYmist is involved. Flip him via bullets / electricity / fire, it's much more fun. Now, onto who we should lynch today. Risen I called him out before for his bullshit. He is clearly reading the thread, by his comment on the "secret QT", but has given us naught a single read thus far. I'll give you my first crude post. + Show Spoiler + On August 31 2013 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I also want to lynch Risen because this is his entire filter. Says he has no idea what's going on and flings shit at random dude. Let's not lynch rather active people D1. POST OR DIE BITCHES Now, Risen's filter is short. He is mafia because he is very apprehensive about his actions. First, he flings shit at WoS, then after i pressure him, he gives this: What is this supposed to mean? He doesn't care to point out "This is what is suspicious about CC, and I think he knows more than he should as town." He justifies it later by saying "Guys, it's just pressure NBD - read dat filter" Townies don't explicitly say "JUST PRESSURE GUYS!" Then he pokes at Onegu: How is this scumhunting at all? Risen doesn't seem to care about finding scum, but rather giving small post to subtly incriminate people. He's inactive and mafia. Why not? Your read on me seems to be centered around my lurkiness, which is understandable. I've been busier than I expected the past couple days with DMing, though. The posts meant exactly what they stated. I felt you knew too much about alignments. Upon reading just your filter without the posts around them I changed my mind. The end. I don't exactly justify it later. It took me 6 minutes between the time I hit post and the time I read through your filter to change my mind. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I haven't flung any shit this game. I simply pointed something out I thought the thread and WoS should be aware of. Pointing something that is anti-town out isn't flinging shit, or every single case ever made in mafia is flinging shit. So I feel justified thinking that while a town cheesecake wouldn't hyperbolize, a scum cheesecake would. His case on me feels so slimy, like he's trying to twist my words into meaning something they don't. | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On August 31 2013 16:27 randombum wrote: So do you still think wos is anti-town? I don't think he's acting anti-town. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On August 31 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but I am not being subtle about it all, I am saying geript is a good lynch. Scum wouldn't want to take a stance on it, but make sure it happens. They can't go back and edit their posts now so I have no problem saying it. WoS brings up a good point about him playing so blatantly cocky, that there is a possibility he WANTS to be lynched for whatever reason Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but If I am asking you questions at the time that does not matter. Indeed if you think about it... if I had explained really clearly what I didn't like (found alignment ambiguous) about your previous post then you replying would have been easy as scum or town (hence not alignment indicative). With the way I asked the question your reply are your thoughts not merely mine reflected back at me. Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but Tip: If that gives you difficulty working out my alignment try asking me the questions... try finding out if I have good reasons behind what I do. Be warned: asking me questions often tells me more about your alignment than me asking you and you answering mine.  Vayne: I don't know what you are saying most of the time but Thats ok it works like that both ways. I asked you the question because I had failed to understand what you were thinking. (On August 31 2013 08:49) I could put the meaning you have replied with to your original words but only if I assumed you were town. If I guessed you were scum I could have put a scum motive to them. I still can but now its harder wine to drink. A normal interpretation of any question I asked is to explain in more words something related to whatever I asked or referred to. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
##unvote WOS (flips coin) ##vote MrZentor | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
Outside of cheesecake what are your feelings. What about geript since he's the forerunner at the moment. | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
The whole point in calling you out is to get you to talk to me. Where are your reads? All I've seen so far is lurkiness and jabs at people. I want your concrete thoughts. you think im scum because I dont like your play etc etc. Fine. and dandy, now be useful to town and give opinions. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Blazing spent like 12 posts defending himself against WoS's point that he was mean to cora on purpose..... Like, I really don't care, although you guys sure did post a lot of nothing together. Blazing why did you feel the need to go on about this? People seem to be ignoring the third possibility about geript (looking at you,cheesecake), he's scum, but he's not unlynchable. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
I know he could be that. But why risk it? Just vig the guy its A lot safer. If we lynch him and he survives he COULD STILL be scum. I'm not having that kind of paranoia run through town if he's lynchproof. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 31 2013 17:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Clarity, I know he could be that. But why risk it? Just vig the guy its A lot safer. If we lynch him and he survives he COULD STILL be scum. I'm not having that kind of paranoia run through town if he's lynchproof. Because with a claim like that, if he's scum, that's probably the "good" outcome which means scum must have some protective roles. Who do you want to lynch, anyway? Risen? Did you see how he played in GoT? | ||
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