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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 13:42 GMT
#3941
Axle answered it himself.
In both games we played together, he was scum and picked me as his target to tunnel into infinity (I was town in both those games).
I honestly didn't remember that he was scum in both of those, only that it was REALLY fucking aggravating trying to shake him off because no matter what I did he wouldn't let go---I assumed he was going to do the same thing here, and lo and behold it seems I may not be wrong. I don't mind generally talking with anyone but essentially when I go through all the work of trying to respond and give people the answers they seek and it clearly does nothing to change their personal bias (or in the past two cases and MAYBE this one, scum agenda) I get annoyed.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 13:46 GMT
#3942
Look I don't want to shit up the thread arguing with Axle and trying to prove myself all day, I've already said that. I gave defenses he asked for last night, and they weren't good enough for him, as expected. Fine, I'll live with that. Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me. Whatever.

In the meantime I'd actually like to try and get a grasp of what's going on this game. The 'Yi fishing' and obsession towards BM chat is because I don't like the idea of all this hidden shit going down where we have no idea of hte alignment of a whole bunch of power roles acting behind the scenes. As it stands we have how many 'survivor' 3P roles? They can't ALL be survivor can they? It's just bothered me. (Certainly piqued my interest as it was a LoL reference as well which is my game.)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 13:49 GMT
#3943
Who exactly are these survivor roles and why would they be mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 13:51 GMT
#3944
Also "Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me." This. So do you still think i am scum or not?
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 09 2013 13:51 GMT
#3945
On September 09 2013 22:39 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:20 Stutters695 wrote: two conditional OTU checks

sorry, what's "OTU"?

one time use
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 13:55 GMT
#3946
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
September 09 2013 13:55 GMT
#3947
On September 09 2013 22:51 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:39 cakepie wrote:
On September 09 2013 22:20 Stutters695 wrote: two conditional OTU checks

sorry, what's "OTU"?

one time use

so, arbitrary player rather than list position based is what you're getting at?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 13:56 GMT
#3948
On September 09 2013 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also "Rayn is another good example of someone it's often futile to argue with, and I will absolutely not be surprised when he switches to me." This. So do you still think i am scum or not?

I don't know anymore atm but I'm pretty sure it will be pretty easy to find out. You just carry on doing what you're doing---this activity has certainly been better this half of the game than the first.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 13:57 GMT
#3949
On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.


VA is dead.
VE's role is in thread.
Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why?
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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
September 09 2013 13:59 GMT
#3950
Stutters, please address these:

On September 09 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
do you believe that despite cakepie having a pokemon role that he's not the other pokemon dude? You seemed pretty certain in your earlier post.


On September 09 2013 22:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Stutters did you not expect to die last night, then? I'm having trouble following you.


WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 13:59 GMT
#3951
On September 09 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.


VA is dead.
VE's role is in thread.
Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why?

It doesn't sound fake. What I'm saying is we have had 3 3P survivors and we 'know' Yi is 3P, are we supposed to assume survivor too? Why are YOU so interested in my Yi talk all of a sudden? Aren't you supposed to think it's scummy? What more do you need to hear?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 14:01 GMT
#3952
On September 09 2013 22:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming.
VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check.


VA is dead.
VE's role is in thread.
Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why?

It doesn't sound fake. What I'm saying is we have had 3 3P survivors and we 'know' Yi is 3P, are we supposed to assume survivor too? Why are YOU so interested in my Yi talk all of a sudden? Aren't you supposed to think it's scummy? What more do you need to hear?

Well who is Yi? Give some analysis who they are so we can question them and lynch them if we assume they are scum.
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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
September 09 2013 14:02 GMT
#3953
Also, stutters, any insight into this, despite the lack of austin death+flip?

On September 08 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote:
Stutters, if your target is shot and I am dead, then ... look at my list. The guy who is SEVEN slots beneath your target is very likely mafia. You will know why based on my flip.

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#3954
Doesn't this sound a bit wrong WoS. Your case on me was purely based on "hunting the scum pokemon trainer and doing nothing else".

You are hunting third factions who could be scum, here, right now.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 14:14 GMT
#3955
Yup, it does. So maybe if you're town you can understand how I am.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 09 2013 14:18 GMT
#3956
I just had a random hilarious thought:
Hiro is scum because he rolled Chezinu, who always rolls scum.

Actually looked into Hiro though and there was some stuff in his filter I didn't like, among them a seeming bus on OO that was dropped really quickly after it was brought up.

Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 09 2013 14:21 GMT
#3957
WoS why did you drop your scumread on me?
table for two on a tv tray
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 20:36:59
September 09 2013 14:24 GMT
#3958
Day 4 Lynch

WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser
MrZentor (1): Clarity_nl, Risen
randombum (3): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, Cephiro, Cephiro, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (1): WaveofShadow, randombum
Stutters695 (1): Cephiro, Mr. Cheesecake, raynpelikoneet, WaveofShadow

The lynch will happen in at Tuesday, Sep 10 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 14:26 GMT
#3959
Stutters where art thou? Why you do this to us? Just disappear like that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
September 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#3960
On September 09 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote:

The one thing that really stood out to me was this post in response to Axle:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright finally back.
Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you if I don't answer your questions exactly the way you want them. I'm telling you right now I'll answer your shit once, and if it's not how you like it, too bad.
I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it, and defending myself from shit that I'm honestly going to have to look into my own fucking filter to find answers to because it was like 2 weeks ago is not scumhunting.


Is there some sort of history here? Because I don't feel Axle has tunneled anyone this game. In fact, Axle has been really slow to draw conclusions which I actually give him towncred for. He seems willing to listen to arguments and tries to make slow deliberate decisions.

So where is WoS coming from, when it comes to this post, if anyone can answer that?


As it is easier for me than you to find it. specifically.

I swear this is normal mini mafia had a superficially similar place, and probably the basis of
"Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you"
me coming back to stuff I had been on about earlier.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18869999 (Gravman is WOS(town) I was scum)

I had chosen gravman as my best plausible mislynch (or as wagon i could run and not flip...)
( I had run out of others having given town reads BH and some more)
case much earlier as he was neither low hanging fruit nor too big a target.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18879764

See other post.

I found the suddenly going after rayn... See this post...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19702961
more interesting because It doesn't involve me



Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
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