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+ Show Spoiler [Kits Rip 2 VE] +On September 03 2013 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes. VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes? As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks. All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot.
Axle: tips hat.
Skip: runs over and gives big wet puppy kiss/lick.
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I don't see any likely situation where both hassy and kita are both town and claiming different things. It's possible, but so unlikely that I feel one of them has to be mafia. I think it's Hassy.
I could also get behind a slam lynch because while there's possible reasons a town would use his item I don't really see any likely ones. Then again, there's even less likely reasons for a scum to tell the thread that he's going to do so. Dunno, I guess everybody saying he's unreadable is true.
Hiropro- I see why people would be voting for him, but I don't think I find any cases compelling. All that shit about brown and is pretty scummy, but he has recently started to do other stuff and actually scum-hunt.
Also, I'm suspicious of risen because he pretty much ignored me and has since still failed to do much in this game. Don't think he's a likely lynch at this point though.
Current thoughts on my lynch preference would be something like
Geript>>>hassy/slam>Risen.
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On September 03 2013 11:30 strongandbig wrote:
Wtf geript
My voting power is currently -1. enjoy.
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On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:
Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player.
None of this actually makes me scum.
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On September 03 2013 12:20 geript wrote:My voting power is currently -1. enjoy.
Your ability to post and participate in finding scum does not need to be zero.
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On September 03 2013 12:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:
Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. None of this actually makes me scum.
but how did your actions benefit town?
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On September 03 2013 12:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:
Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. None of this actually makes me scum.
That's like the definition of scum? Make it as difficult as possible for town to win.
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On September 03 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 03 2013 10:28 Clarity_nl wrote:vayne, read the thread: On September 03 2013 09:50 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2013 09:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Well that actually sucks for him =\
Why does Hassy not look good? Who acted on VE? Hassy claimed to have tried to protect VE. My role reveals all actions on VE. Hassy's protection was not there. All the proof you need. how about you read the thread. I just said that it isn't open and shut like that. Do you know something I don't? It seems pretty open and shut.Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:15 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 03 2013 10:10 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
So is town just incredibly amazing at killing themselves this game or do we have two scum here caught in their night actions? I don't understand this. Either: A) Hassy lied and is guilty B) I'm lying about Hassy and I'm guilty How does either lead to town killing themselves? C) this game makes no fucking sense for all we know some role could have done something to make his protection not go through but he still thinks it did. In this case, neither of you are lying. You aren't thinking over everything This is just... grasping at straws. Kita can you clarify, does your role see actions that are attempted or actions that are actually done?
Looks like me defending VE as scum when he was town doc in some game a long time ago.
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On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player.
Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard.
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On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard.
Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled.
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On September 03 2013 14:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled.
Do you even believe half the shit you post?
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On September 02 2013 13:24 Risen wrote:
There's a lot of points being made about other people that apply equally to me. I find it interesting that cheesecake is the only one consistently pressuring me. I'd be very interested in the filters of those people who mention me off hand but don't follow through at all.
@Risen
So did you do anything with your interest?
or did you
On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard.
Just turn up when the dust is pretty settled and say some stuff. that really doesn't let me see much about how your thinking.
If you were scum and there was really a town player trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make.
If you were scum and there was really a scum player who thought they were so 'caught scum' trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make.
Can you think of anything to do that would give me confidence you are town?
If geript is scum as you imply and the game is balanced, town is effectively at the first lynch they control.. so we could always try to lurker lynch you to see what happens.
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yea that last geript post is too ridiculous to be town but not that concerned with him atm, he already used all his powers (I hope so at least, or his role is the best role NA) so he's just a sitting duck at this point.
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I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6.
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On September 03 2013 04:27 Onegu wrote:
Im going to vote felkyr for now the way the night actions happened he knew something was going to happen because of Black mesa qt and messed with the player list.
##VOTE: FELKYR
@Onegu
Would you like to explain this? I don't know anything, in as far as that would convince you. If there is more being said in the Black Mesa QT, you should tell us. Are you not the town representative there? People have asked for it several times...
@All
+ Show Spoiler +On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
interesting, the fate is -3 at the moment so it seems hiropro is bulletproof for this next night.
On September 03 2013 09:36 GreYMisT wrote:VisceraEyes' Tombstone reads:VisceraEyes, as Alphonse Elric, Drew a circle on HiroPro Night 1+ Show Spoiler [Role Pm] +Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Alphonse Elric, Brother to the Fullmetal Alchemist! Each night you may place a transmutation circle on a player. You may only have 1 circle drawn at any time, and the addition of a new one will eliminate your old one. This Circle will be activated at night after a full day of being on a player. The effect of your transmutation will depend on the fate counters. If the fate counter is negative, your target will be protected from 1 kp until the next day, and if the fate counter is [0, 4], they will be roleblocked until the next day. The first time the fate counter is 5 or greater, your transmutation will kill them immediately. After using the kill ability, the fate counter at 5 or more will roleblock instead. FURTHER INFORMATION REDACTED. You win when you are alive at the end of the game.
”Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is Alchemy’s first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world’s one and only truth.”
If I read this correctly, the circle will STAY on Hiro. Hence, Hiro will stay protected (unless fate rises). HiroPro WILL die if the fate counter gets to 5.
I'm still not sure whether I want to lynch geript. As is said, he could be town. But indeed, he plays very anti-town. It would help greatly if he would explain some more. If he is able to give us another double lynch at a later time (or a voterig), that might be very beneficial. However, as he doesn't seem to want to cooperate at all, I'm afraid he will be useless or worse (and maybe scum above that). If there is a consensus to lynch geript, I will place my vote as necessary.
@geript Talk to us please.
@All
For the second vote, I think Slam is a good choice. I have always thought of him as scummy. Still, for the most part he is unreadable for me, and I have no metagame information to help me. Most of it was his vague/shitty talk. Now, he has done something clearly anti-town. Some people say that the fact that he posted about it makes him look town, but if I look at the earlier stuff he has posted, I don't see why he wouldn't post something like that as scum. I mean, it seems like he likes to draw attention. It was stupid both as town and as scum, but the action himself makes him scum. Again, I will place my vote there if consensus deems it necessary.
Talking about talking shit. Now that Hiro seems to be contributing, I feel no direct need to lynch him today, although it is still a possibility to me. He talked shit earlier and didn't make sense to me, but I'm don't know about him. It's easy to start doing the right thing when you will die, I suppose.
I would like to hear from Hassy what he has to say about the Kita claim.
@Koshi
On September 03 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote:
Also, who has the "Soul Gun"?
That might be the only redeeming thing that Alakaslam did.
Could you explain this? At first, I thought this was the item you wanted to give to Vayne (and that you made it for him). However, from your phrasing you seem to suggest it is good that it was changed from owner? Do you think scum made it?
Below is the post that made me think you invented the item, btw.
On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote:
The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.;
@Rayn
I know you like to talk about your pokemon.
On September 01 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey pokemon dude! Do not fight! There is no reason to if you are town!
You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight.
You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you!
So, you are supposed to fight with another pokemon guy, right? Why would you think he is town? To me, it seems much more logical/likely that your opponent is scum or at least antitown if you are town. Why would you let people fight otherwise? That being said, like you assumed yourself, S&B could be your opponent.
On August 31 2013 08:40 strongandbig wrote:
i still can't decide what to do with geript. randombum i choose you! Why does his claim mean I should vote for him.
And another boldface post (although not that evincive):
I challenge everyone to read what I wrote about VE's case
He has denied it, but of course he will do that if the chances are likely your opponent is scum. But why would he write it then in the first place? To have something to claim later on, only afterwards realizing his mistake? OR, he thinks/knows that your opponent is Randombum, which is interesting.
S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence?
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On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6.
Feh.
I return.
Well sorry then. The professional hero understood.
Sorry been gone good old Arizona. Lot of driving and work ad driving and "lol Labor Day? IDGAF son this is agriculture" and me saying "no I appreciate the extra pay".
Uh yeah I told you all don't kill BH don't kill BH but no.
Bonus he was companion cube
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On September 03 2013 14:12 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled.
Geript: Nothing about what I did wasted town's time.
Your time is (presumably you claim town) is towns time and your wasting it.
Geript: If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me.
You talk about town as if you are not part of it are you claiming scum AGAIN?
But you intentionally playing to your scum meta... the wagon on you was so strong I couldn't find a viable alternative wagon... I spent my time trying to find such a viable alternative wagon, you(if you are town) wasted my time. You still are.
Geript: Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread.
Well one of the anyones who could go back read would be you (as you seem to imply you are town)
So how would people progress the thread when one person who now claims to be town was single handedly ensuring there was only one viable wagon? Thus there is very little way to force scum to make decisions and take stances?
Geript: Prove it
Uh no... it is hardly ever proved someone is scum when they get lynched. There is just a preponderance of evidence.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748
Here i highlighted a few bits....
Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence
Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity.
The only evidence i can think of that you might be town.. is
you are geript.
is a role such as yours unbalanced if its scum. ( I have clear ideas how it might be a scum role) If activating your(scums) D1 vote rigging mandated the D2 double lynch... then apart from giving you the power to mess with town and get presumably 4 scum controlled kills D1, after a double town controlled lynch... we are back close to par.
So there is nothing about your role that for me screams cant be scum.
Your play however even apart from the D1 stuff up ... consists of entirely lurk.
Not sure how much more proven it could be?
We have two lynches today...
I am happy for one lynch today to be geripts. Based on his play I find zero reason not to.
So while I already have a vote on one wagon...
** want geript lynched (today not tomorrow)
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On September 03 2013 14:42 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 14:12 geript wrote:On September 03 2013 13:12 Risen wrote:On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player. Bolded is relevant. Town players don't troll that hard. Man I wish that my vote counted for shit because now you're being too obtuse to be town. You can get over it. I'm way more invested in beating brutal and getting good at SC2 than playing this game. Hell I just scored a 72 at MP in bridge with my dad. Nothing about what I did wasted town's time. If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me. Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread. Prove it scum. Risen tunnel enabled. Geript: Nothing about what I did wasted town's time.Your time is (presumably you claim town) is towns time and your wasting it. Geript: If town chose to waste their time on that instead of scum hunting that's on them instead of me.You talk about town as if you are not part of it are you claiming scum AGAIN?But you intentionally playing to your scum meta... the wagon on you was so strong I couldn't find a viable alternative wagon... I spent my time trying to find such a viable alternative wagon, you(if you are town) wasted my time. You still are. Geript: Rather, should anyone actually choose to go back and read instead of bitch about how I'm playing I'm sure there's actual useful information to be found there based on who wants to talk about claims and shit instead of actually progress the thread.Well one of the anyones who could go back read would be you (as you seem to imply you are town) So how would people progress the thread when one person who now claims to be town was single handedly ensuring there was only one viable wagon? Thus there is very little way to force scum to make decisions and take stances? Geript: Prove it Uh no... it is hardly ever proved someone is scum when they get lynched. There is just a preponderance of evidence. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748Here i highlighted a few bits.... Priority #1: Establishing Your Innocence Being an obvious innocent is worth a lot more than being an active but confused poster. Don’t babble. If you speak without having a clear goal in mind, you impede the town and decrease everyone else’s productivity. The only evidence i can think of that you might be town.. is you are geript. is a role such as yours unbalanced if its scum. ( I have clear ideas how it might be a scum role) If activating your(scums) D1 vote rigging mandated the D2 double lynch... then apart from giving you the power to mess with town and get presumably 4 scum controlled kills D1, after a double town controlled lynch... we are back close to par. So there is nothing about your role that for me screams cant be scum. Your play however even apart from the D1 stuff up ... consists of entirely lurk. Not sure how much more proven it could be? We have two lynches today... I am happy for one lynch today to be geripts. Based on his play I find zero reason not to. So while I already have a vote on one wagon... ** want geript lynched (today not tomorrow)
You may find this oddly ironic fitting and wrong at the same time but if you think about it it's not
##Vote: the Musclebound
+ Show Spoiler +No hard feelings though btw
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On September 03 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6. Feh. I return. Well sorry then. The professional hero understood. Sorry been gone good old Arizona. Lot of driving and work ad driving and "lol Labor Day? IDGAF son this is agriculture" and me saying "no I appreciate the extra pay". Uh yeah I told you all don't kill BH don't kill BH but no. Bonus he was companion cube
Yes you told me that... but did I have any control over it... did most people have any control over that?
Why mess with the items of all the people who dont have control over it?
Did you just have a hissy fit?
Stamp your feet and say I will show you and do the only thing you could? (shuffle the items?)
Why did you do that if you knew at the time it would hurt town?
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On September 03 2013 14:50 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote:On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6. Feh. I return. Well sorry then. The professional hero understood. Sorry been gone good old Arizona. Lot of driving and work ad driving and "lol Labor Day? IDGAF son this is agriculture" and me saying "no I appreciate the extra pay". Uh yeah I told you all don't kill BH don't kill BH but no. Bonus he was companion cube Yes you told me that... but did I have any control over it... did most people have any control over that? Why mess with the items of all the people who dont have control over it? Did you just have a hissy fit? Stamp your feet and say I will show you and do the only thing you could? (shuffle the items?) Why did you do that if you knew at the time it would hurt town?
Yes
Yes
I actually was gone and came back not reading much not caring rather all giddy with "I must follow through on my promise" and making up C&C RA fake flavor & stuff because I always thought the chronosphere story was awesome if the actual building/power in game basically sucked.
I teleports all your items, you know? And it was fair because I lost mine too. "In honor of Blazinghand, no more breadcrumbs from me..."
Anyone remember that?
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