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On August 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason. What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh. Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large?
I wrote my reasons for withholding the information, you just seem unable to understand them.
Why do you know that geript is town? And again, why put out information about our roles into the thread if there is no benefit for town? That's why I first wanted to know what his plan is.
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On August 07 2013 21:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:01 phagga wrote:On August 07 2013 20:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 07 2013 20:51 phagga wrote:
- I wanted to know what geripts plan was. No matter what role I have, I wanted that information first. Part of this is that he is more likely to give me information if I withhold the information he wants from me.
- Only you and geript had claimed at that point. If I would think that geripts plan was harmful, I would still have had a chance to stop the other two from claiming. But it looks kinda stupid if I just claim VT and then tell the others they should not claim for whatever reason. What? So you dont actually have a reason for not claiming. Huh. Why wont geript as town tell you the plan? Like I dont see why your actions would affect when he tells us the plan. Ego a bit large? I wrote my reasons for withholding the information, you just seem unable to understand them. Why do you know that geript is town? And again, why put out information about our roles into the thread if there is no benefit for town? That's why I first wanted to know what his plan is. I think geript is town. You do too if you are town. Stop saying 'information'. Its not like scum doesnt know it already. Therefore you would only be telling town. And thats a good thing. Your reasons for withholding your role name, vt, dont make any sense. You wanted to make geript say something? is that right?.
In short, yes.
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Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours.
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On August 07 2013 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
1. phagga is rubbing me the wrong way majorly. I dont like his response to me calling him a jester, and I don't like his reasonings for withholding "information" regarding claiming.
- What do you not like about my reasoning? Please elaborate.
- I hope you realise that my reaction to you calling me jester was mainly a product of me misinterpreting your statement.
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On August 07 2013 21:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 21:26 phagga wrote:
Yes, I do.
When geript asked everyone to claim, my reaction was not "oh well, claiming VT is useless information, I might as well claim". I thought "Why does he want everyone to claim? What's the ieea behind it?". And for that thought my own role was absolutely irrelevant. All I wanted is to know why he thinks it's a good idea to claim.
Oats, what do you think of Mocsta so far?
I'm at work and have a meeting in 30 minutes, need to prepare. Will be offline for a few hours. I dunno about Mocsta. firmly null. Why do you think he wanted everyone to claim? What benefit does mass claiming have for scum?
Again, when I asked for his plan I did not think that far. I really just tried to figure out what he wants to achieve with massclaiming. I just did not like the thought of needlessly putting out information if it does not benefit town.
The benefits for scum? Mocsta mentioned it, there is the possibility that it makes it easier for them to pick a good NK. However, I did not think of that at the time. When I claimed, I could not think of a downside.
Going on the train. My work day did not work out as planned, there is a high probability that I will not be online for the next 12 hours.
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On August 08 2013 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:Come on Hapa, show up man. Wait so you objected to Geript's plan WITHOUT THINKING OF A DOWNSIDE TO IT  ????? WHAT>>> ?? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
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I'm back, reading up. This first:
On August 08 2013 14:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Rules clarification re: endgaming the jester
A jester endgamed by the town loses.
A jester endgamed by scum gets a "partial victory"
This basically means we have to lynch scum D1. If we don't, we have to hope that scum hits the jester. If the jester survives the night, town is in an almost unwinnable position as it is not possible to get a majority on scum (1-1-1 or 2-1-1 if we lynch the unlynchable), since the jester will not vote scum with us (if he is able to properly identify the scum).
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On August 08 2013 12:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Mocsta
Well there are several ideas being bounced around right now.for example, there's been some "Phagga is Jester" talk that I'd like to hear your thoughts on. As well as any other sCum-reads you might have. sure. Phagga has a consistent vibe in his posts which is a plus. however I'm still struggling to get why he was hesitant to claim when he supported the plan . This seems more to do with paranoia considering He also admits to looking carefully for the lynchproof which falls into my mafia mindset criteria. Im not sure whether a jester would be playing this reckless either. So for now I'm willing to consider phagga as non jester....Maybe mafia though. I do feel phagga has not sufficiently addressed why he was hesitant to claim either whether talking to myself or oats. Phagga. The crux of my problem is. U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
Seriously Mocsta, it's not hard to read my posts in chronological order. I'm sick of having to explain this over and over again, I've written enough about it to Oats. Read my filter.
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On August 08 2013 15:39 Mocsta wrote:
Phagga.
I thought I explained my inability to comprehend your actions in some detail.. however u still choose not to change your approach...
Lets try something new.
Now that all 5 ppl have posted somewhat. Who do u think fits the mould of jester and goon.
Do u think lynchproof is going to play the same way as a vt?.
The lynchproof should play the same as VT, as if he's town he should be able to show that and therefore be in no danger of getting lynched.
I can't say who's jester and who's goon, I think however that you are one of the anti-town forces. You are not trying to figure the game out, instead you ask me over and over again about my actions around the plan, and you ask things I've clearly answered already.
U agree with the lynchproof plan yet did not want to contribute to it?? I just don't understand how u could withhold that information if the key to the plans success in it eyes was to have information??
I mean, this question is useless. I already explained I withheld my claim to get more info from geript about his plan, and after that deciced that the plan has it's merits and claimed. I've clearly written this, read my filter.
On August 08 2013 12:45 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 10:53 geript wrote:
Mocsta Who are you interested Lynching and why? I think it is too haste to push a lynch with the current info. So far. My towniest read is oats though. So just need to figure out between hapa.geript. phagga which is jester which is mafia. If I was to have a punt now. I would pen hapa as jester.. mainly because of his reluctance to consider phagga as jester and he just feels off from the limited posts so far. Still want to pursue phagga first though.
I don't understand why you can't follow up on both of us. Why this focus on me when you say yourself that something might be up with Hapa? we're not in a game with dozends of pages, it should be easy to follow two people at the same time.
So yeah, I think you are either jester or scum.
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On August 08 2013 16:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
phagga, hapa more likely jester or scum?
If I have to choose between the two, I'd say jester, because he reads me correctly. Scum would use the opportunity to further push me as lynch.
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On August 08 2013 16:12 Mocsta wrote:
So phagga. I can't vote for me. U gonna show some balls and start this?
Why don't you push hapa if you think something is wrong with him?
I vote when I feel sure I've found scum.
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Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town?
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On August 08 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? U have a terrible penchant to misread. He thinks I'm antitown and if u read the quote he supplied that would be apparrent.
That's the latest summary of reads I found of Oats:
On August 08 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Obviously things early in the game won't be damning, but of all the players in the game that have posted so far, Mocsta looks by far the worst. Oats is being very confrontational/spazzy, which is pretty semblant of his townplay. Phagga sounds extremely paranoid (townie) in reaction to Mocsta's "jester" thing. You have your try-hard pants on. This statment. Im town, phagga's town, geript's town. Oh wait. Hapa cant be town then. Yeah so phagga and hapa are the anti town factions. Which one is scum and which one is jester though.
So much for missreading.
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On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town.
On August 08 2013 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:25 phagga wrote:
Hapa: What do you think of Mocsta? What do you make of his reaction to my accusation?
Oats: you said earlier that Hapa and me are the anti-town forces. Why do you think Mocsta is town? cause mocsta feels like town.
What makes you feel his town? Can you elaborate a bit? Can you point to something?
I wrote some posts up why I think Mocsta is not town because he's not trying to figure things out, what do you say about that?
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On August 08 2013 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
I wrote lol afterwards dude.
When he wrote "this statement." I thought he shared hapa sentiment of me.
Regardless. Here's a q for u phagga.
U choose to outline me as scum. But then ask me to also chase hapa.
Why r u being so reactive? If u had concerns with me or any others. Why r u not leading the charge to ascertain alignment?
I choose to outline you as anti-town, not scum. Funny how you seemed to have missed that.
I'm reactive because I'm at work currently, which means I have only short time frames to quickly answer/ask. I am trying to follow up on the people on which I want to flesh out my reads some more, which are mainly Hapa and Oats.
On August 08 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Phagga
U do realise everything u have submitted in the thread is a +1 right?
Ur idea of a good plan....+1 to geript
Ur best scum lead.... +1 to hapa
Ur scum justification...,+1 to hapa
So if u want to use hapa logic so flippantly.. Is he a town read for u or not....
No, he is not, I don't know where to put him currently. That's why asked Hapa about you, I want to hear more from him. I hope to get some more quality time with this thread later to get some more questions out for him, as we seem to miss each other entirely due to timezones.
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On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. [/b]
But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today?
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On August 08 2013 18:03 Mocsta wrote:
firstly.. scum and anti town is the same thing.. but that is semantics and the last in shall speak on the matter
secondly.. I am as time poor as u, am o ly on phone access yet that makes me scum and u a reactive "townie"... lol.. this is lol even before factoring your +1 contributions
lastly.. how can u support a firm anti town/null reads "case" without adding anything additional of merit...
I'm going to put it out there... did u change your position on hapa based on the jester rule clarification??
When I say anti-town I mean either scum or jester, since are both anti-town roles IMO. I also thought there was at least one other person using it the same way. I hope that cleares it up.
Perhaps because I came to that conclusion by myself and Hapas read on you is not relevant for this?
Where did I change my position on Hapa? And no, the jester rule clarification only made it clear for me that it is of upmost importance to lynch scum on D1, since if we misslynch or nolynch, we have to rely on either the jester or scum on D2.
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On August 08 2013 18:25 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today? [/b]
Scrap that, I figured the answer out myself. With the rule clarification, Scum prefers a situation of 1-1-1 on D2 over a 2-1. If the unlynchable claims D1, he will get shot N1 because scum wants to make sure he hits town.
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On August 08 2013 18:36 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 18:25 phagga wrote:On August 08 2013 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:On August 08 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
wait so hapa, you would play jester as townie as possible? No, but a Jester won't necessarily reveal his/her hand this soon. You have to balance being scummy with being laughably obvious. On August 08 2013 13:11 geript wrote:On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched. I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me. Just because you don't understand my explanation doesn't mean I didn't explain it. As said twice before, there's simply no merit in having the unlynchable townie claim now. Why out a blue when we don't need to? He can claim at [i]any time. Best case scenario for town is to have him live to tomorrow and THEN claim. But if the unlynchable claims D2, both Jester and scum can counterclaim. Where is the advantage of claiming tomorrow against claiming today? Scrap that, I figured the answer out myself. With the rule clarification, Scum prefers a situation of 1-1-1 on D2 over a 2-1. If the unlynchable claims D1, he will get shot N1 because scum wants to make sure he hits town. [/b]
No wait, that's not necessarily true. If its 1-1-1 scum has to rely on the jester, while the jester might try to get the win for himself. If it's 2-1 it's up completely to the scum, which he might prefer.
Probably still a bad idea to claim unlynchable D1.
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