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On September 22 2013 23:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:16 DarthPunk wrote:On September 22 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:10 DarthPunk wrote:OK I read Koshi's filter and it seemed to contain a lot of one liners. Wasn't he going away though and stated before the game started that he would potentially be phone posting? If he is limited to phone posting then his filter makes a lot more sense as it is much more convenient to stick to one liners whilst phone posting. Like I am unfamiliar with the standard of play required from Koshi. If it is a high standard and he is usually active and curious and writes good posts then I would be concerned that he was flying under the radar. But if I discounted meta, then I would probably not want to lynch Koshi and here is why. On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:51 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:On September 21 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote:On September 21 2013 22:42 Koshi wrote:
I want to lynch Mocst
Reason: People that make special posts always end up being scum.
Acrofoles: GoT
Persona: Crazometer
Aperture: Alakaslam (he was even more special than otherwise, with the evul bee posts)
Golden Sun: BH
Right... So lets get you useful. Is Geript scum? I have 0 clues. The guy had a superpowerful role in aperture and we all know how that ended. But I am very friendly towards geript because he is friendly towards me. yeah OK, more stuff that means nothing. That was a different game. You know; i have seen you replace in as town, and your game play was very different to what you are doing now. Day1 spaztic mode is over. So lets try again, one more time. - cos you didn't give a definitive answer on where you stand. Read on Geript.Then Read on WaveofShadow. :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative.It isn't. I just don't want to lynch geript atm. I have 0 clues about geript his allignment. Is DP scum?I am not lynching DP. Scum got 6 nk next 2 nights unless crazy vigi happens n1. Let's see if DP is still alive day 3. I like DP posting as well.Now ask me new shit. And answer my question. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Here he states when questioned about both myself and geript that he does not want to lynch us? Why would a scum that is trying to fly under the radar take that position on both of us? I think as scum it would be far easier and more convenient to just side with one or the other and no one would really care. Saying that you don;t want to lynch either draws attention to Koshi and if we read his filter and decide that he is trying to lay low, taking a controversial position just does not gel with that mindset. Why would scum want to side with one of you two in case; (1) You are both town? (2) One of you is scum? (3) Both of you are scum? Because when the whole thread is giving out town/scum reads it is a lot more convenient for a scum who is laying low to say. 'Oh X is scum and Y is town', than to say 'I don't know who is scum or town but I don't want to lynch either of them.' Correct me if i am wrong but i think the only one who gave a strong scumread on either one of you was you? No i think a few people came out over the course of the day leaning one way or the other. I dunno dude. Like you could be right, and I clearly don't have the same grasp on reading koshi that you do. But after reading his filter and because of the other stuff I brought up I certainly don't think he is very scummy. He could be lying low. Or he could just not really be trying. I can't tell which so I think a Koshi lynch would be a bit of a gamble honestly.
Town Koshi:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&user=Koshi
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&user=Koshi
Scum Koshi:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Koshi
In addition to what he has exactly posted, which one of the games would you say mirrors his play in this game the best?
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I know what makes marv scum/town. I'll tell you about that later when he posts more.
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On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter.
lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D
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On September 22 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter. lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D
Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously.
Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm.
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On September 22 2013 23:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
God damn rayn linking me 23 page koshi filter. lol sorry, it was supposed to start from p1 at every game. :D Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously. Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm. Well If that is the case I feel like this game is more like his town game. In his town games he posted many one-liners. in his scum game his posts were generally a paragraph in length and he posted far fewer one liners than his town game or this game.
Look at how he interacts with people. Even in his one-liners the thoughts are clear and not wishy-washy at all.
It's easy to understand what he thinks and why, even when he does not give complete reasons for his thoughts.
It's nothing like this game. He does not follow any "game plan" in this game. His thought process is not clear and his reasons change after asked about them. If you want to have more insight of his meta, please read GoT scum QT (the first ~150 posts).
Here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QABVbtFWtEj
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On September 22 2013 23:53 Mocsta wrote:
Keep in mind DP/Rayn, Koshi was heavily coached in GoT.
Look, hes a fuckn ballsy player thats for sure. My first game with Koshi was in sicilian, where he was the SK.
He then replaced into a newbie, and the difference in play was immediately apparent (granted thats 3P vs town.. so may not be indicative of scum).
Fact, if Koshi wants to look town and be useful, he can. Overall, the points rayn made before are quite interesting and do lean scum I feel.
Whereas the point that DP raised for townieness, is highly situation (as he admitted later when queried). I think this leads to an overall leaning scum read (not confirmed obviously).
That's what i am talking about, because i coached him in GoT!
I also know what he would most likely do when he is not coached, and it's what he is doing here.
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On September 23 2013 00:20 Koshi wrote:
Sorry rayn, I am just busy. I think I will have 24 hours now that I can be very active in. Am I still scum if you know for a fact I couldnt post more?
About thread: I once heard that yamato as scum does 1 tryhard post and then fucks off as scum. But in this game I feel like it is town yamato. That first post wasnt a scummy trying to not get lynched day 1 post.
FirmTofu was scum in Titanic and Persona. I dont feel like he is scum here. Need to reread a bit though. Because FT likes to OMGUS himself when he is scum and I thought I read that once. Not sure yet.
I am not making a read on you based on what you don't post. What's that question about?
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On September 23 2013 00:37 Zaragon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On September 22 2013 23:12 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious I dunno what "softening his play as scum" means. I thought it was suspicous because he dropped his read based on my counter-point so easily. What i wrote was my own insight, but certainly also far from fact. I personally was expecting him to hold his point of view, and counter, my counter-point. Unless of course I was that convincing. DP kinda suggested later that may have been the case. Perhaps this point of discussion isn't worth pursuing then. Think it was partly that, partly just him rereading the posts in the morning. After that, it makes sense as either town or scum, just with different motivations. As I said I read the motivation from his posts more scum. By "softening his play" I mean trying to go lower profile and taking less risks. On September 22 2013 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:39 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game. I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is. Oh and from earlier: On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
[quote] On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out. I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum? It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance. Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here. How does me saying what i did make me scum? Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why? It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point. On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".
Elaborate please. That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings. So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point? Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious So in comparsion you should be really scummy then? Yet another question and no substance. I've been giving my reads and analyzing people consistently; yes, I condense my points with little detail--I type slowly and am not going to bore anyone with my medical history. Give me your read on something I have said and I will address it. I ask questions and make conclusions from them. If the questions end up in non-scum conclusion i drop the matter because there is no need to say it ends up in a town/null read. Your analysis and conclusions are all "this guy did this and then that and he could do that as scum or town both". You have ne real conclusions in your posts. I would like you to give some conclusions that actually take some stance on someone. The only thing close to this is when you called me slightly scummy, and that is bullshit. Yes, I keep in mind the possibility that someone could be town even if they do something scummy. I'm not scum so I don't know who is town besides myself. I've given reads on what is likely; if you prefer, you can read them as more definite when you interpret me. I currently have no interest in pretending someone is absolutely scum or absolutely town, I have an interest in making links, and for day 1 choosing a good, likely target that yields a decent amount of information. Currently I'd be fine with VE lynch (feels scummy and would give us significant info from the early day events). There are lots of possible backups like LoneMeow, Sentinel, Rayn, Pandain but I don't have a comfortable read on them. I don't care about the lurkers or people posting nothingness, fine for throwaway lynches but mostly irrelevant for analysis. Of course, if we can't pass a lynch on someone else, we do need to get rid of them sooner or later. I have decent town reads on Marv, Tofu, Geript, DP and Mocsta. But the situation suggests at least one of them as scum considering the amount of conflicting reads on each other. Unfortunately I can't tell who, if so. Okay so last time. I did something scummy according to you. What is that i done that's scummy? And how is that scummier compared to your own posts. Also what are your thoughts on my case on Koshi? Deflecting with questions. You've started to contribute more, but you still do more deflecting than giving reads or opinions when someone actually talks directly with you. I have no problem with questions, but when you don't attach much of your own opinion, it's easy for you to pretend you had a different agenda. Especially in a filter later on. Maybe I'm over-reading you, but to me it's enough to say you lean slightly scum. I read up on your meta case on Koshi, I'd say it does make his voting and push for VA more scummy than I had assumed. My problem is, he seemed a lot more interested in his scum game than he is now. Anything to show he's just acting like he's mostly fooling around now?
My case on Koshi is not based on meta. It's based on what he has done this game and how it does not make sense to me. There is meta to support my argument, but my argument is not based on meta. Could you elaborate more on why you think it's a meta-case, do you think Koshi's actions this game have been townie aside from meta?
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Vayne who do you want to lynch?
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On September 23 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2013 00:52 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 00:29 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, could you tell me what you make of rayn's push on you? Is it warranted? Do you think town-rayn would be able to distinguish from your... lower activity let's say this game compared to normal, and distinguish town/mafia? Rayn his case on me is ok. I am not very transparant atm. It must unsettle rayn a bit. VA vote was to shake VA out of rp, I just read his new log. Funny. Seems like rayn thinks I am scum not based on low activity. Meh. Will be home in 2 hours, hopefully I find a better lynch. Dont know who yet. Are you not transparent because of your lack of activity? Apparently not. Why do you think you're coming across that way? Otherwise rayn wouldnt vote me. His vote is based on it. He thinks I am going after easy targets with flawed reasoning. I think that I voted Mocsta before our little chat. But not certain. If so, that is bad for rayn his case. And VA was explained. I dont have other reads. Maybe rayn is a little rattled after my quick jabs at him the first couple hours of the game. Dnu.
You voted for Mocsta in the middle of your argument, at the late-parts of it.
Can you respond to the case.
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marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?
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On September 23 2013 01:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Not particularly. Has anyone really kinda gone after me though? Full-sized games are different to minis remember. In any case, every time he posts I think he's town, and then my town-feelings kinda slip away again when he just goes afk.
What do you think of this set of posts;
On September 22 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:30 yamato77 wrote:On September 22 2013 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you plan on reading marv this game and work from there (like you did in Desert with marv/Hapa)? Or have you done so already? Are you reading my posts? Yeah i am reading your posts. You don't seem to try to find out marv's alignment, you seem to argue with him about something, you beth tell your pov and then you move on to different things. HAve you found out anything about marv's alignment based on what you have talked with him?
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On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
He specifically said that's how he works in games. He finds out marv/(Hapa's) alignments and lynches them or works with them. He also gave me an impression he has tried to read marv's slignment, i don't see him doing so.
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On September 23 2013 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:24 kushm4sta wrote:On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game. CLASSIC NITPICKING LOL lynch it with fire How is that nitpicking? I am legitimally interested in the reasoning. Also I read parts of that game so I know where rayn is coming from but it was a mini and hapa/marv where definitely the most "prestigious" players in the game. This game however is much larger and there are some really good players besides marv.
I get what you are trying to say. It might be the size of the game. However what's bothering me about yamato is that despite Desert mafia being a mini game he was ONLY talking about Hapa/marv on D1 (at the start of the game). In this game he gives ~5 half-arsed scumreads in his big post and then votes for a newbie despite having said "i'm terrible read newbies" earlier on in the game.
He is not really trying to read the strong players, while that's how he operates usually as town.
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EBWOP: ...despite having said "i'm terrible at reading newbies" ...
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Vayne explain your vote please.
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On September 23 2013 01:45 DarthPunk wrote:Before I go to bed I wanted to discuss this post from Firm Tofu in light of him being quite scummy. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote:Ello peeples. On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote:
Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts?
Why do you think that's bluehunting? I am not following you.
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On September 23 2013 01:48 Mattchew wrote:
I blue hunt as town but im not bad enough to post about it... I dont think its scummy, and if that is his intention its super bad scum play
Thank yourself there are not some people in this game.. You would get lynched for that. :D
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On September 23 2013 02:23 Coagulation wrote:
ok caught up. Can someone explain the VE messup I cant wrap my head around it.
also I seen someone ask about chairays play history and I know he has played around 3 games I think on another forum with me and he was scum every time and raped town alive. His play this game looks like its a bit different than those games tho but I could be wrong.
wtf, is this true?
I did get the opposite feeling from his/Mocsta's interaction earlier (that he is not that good).
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On September 23 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote:
So many people want to lynch the stray kitten. I ll reread the james bond game and see if I agree.
Elaborate fully on my case on you. Then tell us who do you want to lynch. Otherwise i make sure you'll get lynched.
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