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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 22:13 GMT
#912
On September 22 2013 07:12 Koshi wrote:
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On September 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why did you vote for Mocsta in the first place?

He was being special.

Special in what way? What's scummy in that? And is he not special any more?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 22:21 GMT
#922
On September 22 2013 07:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 07:12 Koshi wrote:
On September 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why did you vote for Mocsta in the first place?

He was being special.

Special in what way? What's scummy in that? And is he not special any more?

Special posting. And I dont have the mocsta feeling yet. I remember him from Sicilian and GoT, not the same guy. But who knowz?
VA best lynch now.

How does Vayne's posts make him scum? There are only two posts of his in this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 22:34 GMT
#931
On September 22 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 07:18 Koshi wrote:
On September 22 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 07:12 Koshi wrote:
On September 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi why did you vote for Mocsta in the first place?

He was being special.

Special in what way? What's scummy in that? And is he not special any more?

Special posting. And I dont have the mocsta feeling yet. I remember him from Sicilian and GoT, not the same guy. But who knowz?
VA best lynch now.

How does Vayne's posts make him scum? There are only two posts of his in this game.

Dude. VA can be an useless fuck when he appears to be trying (persona) now we.are keeping him around when he is rping? Vote VA. You should now why.

Vayne can be useful as town if he wants to. There is no reason to start a wagon on him now, you know what'll happen regardless of his alignment. I am curious why you planted you vote on him for non-alignment indicative posts?

On September 22 2013 07:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 22 2013 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 22 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Ello peeples.
On September 21 2013 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote:
Cos I do what I want bish.

And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool.

Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP.


Okay, I'm done with my trolling for the day.

I see that geript and DP have engaged in a shitfest argument that is meaningless and spammy filled with ad hominem attacks. That should stop now because it is anti-town play. I like rayn for stepping up to the plate and tell geript and DP to cut out the bullshit. I think DP comes off the worst with this argument. DP has showcased a deliberate and calculted town posting style in past games I've seen of him. He is not the type to spam the thread into uselessness. I'm not saying he's scum, but I really dislike his approach so far. I think we should keep a close watch on him as the day progresses. Geript emerges from the shitfest argument in a favorable light, imo. His town play is usually spammy and meaningless during day one. Good examples include Nuclear Winter and Bluelightz(he was hydra smurf).

Still on page 30 catching up to the thread.

On phone atm but I want to know if anyone else found something odd/disturbing about this post.

It would help if I knew what you were referring to. Do you mean the referreeing? Or the defending geript? Or what? It looks like a pretty standard nullish interjection while catching up to me.

Sort of? Ill explain when not on phone (3-4h mebbe?) But I also wanted to be purposefully a litle cryptic to see if anyone else was on the same page as me since nobody has mentioned FT at all yet.

The only thing i found odd in FT's post was that he was trying to appear like he was contributing. Then said he has not yet caught up in thread and never followed it up in any way. It's now been 1,5 hours since his post. He should have caught up already.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#945
On September 22 2013 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
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On September 22 2013 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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The only thing i found odd in FT's post was that he was trying to appear like he was contributing. Then said he has not yet caught up in thread and never followed it up in any way. It's now been 1,5 hours since his post. He should have caught up already.


Yes. But increasingly these days I see this as a bloody annoying-tell rather than a mafia-tell. Stutters is a well known proponent of this as town in fact

Maybe it's a promise to contribute and somehow can't because he's mafia? Obviously broken promises and shit are bad, but also as mafia you tend to try to follow through on simple things like reading and making some bullshit posts.

Yeah i am not saying it absolutely makes him mafia.
His post just reads to me as "hi, i am now at page 30, and here's what i have gathered so far". Then what, he stops reading and doesn't finish the thread?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 22:55 GMT
#948
On September 22 2013 07:54 marvellosity wrote:
I know rayn. But my reply to you is contained in my quote right there. ^_^

It's bad, but there's nothing else to say about it right now. It's not even that alignment indicative. What will be alignment indicative is what he finally posts.

Yeah we are getting nowhere in talking about FT now.
What are your thoughts on Koshi?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 23:04 GMT
#958
On September 22 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote:
I do wish people wouldn't randomly go after coag btw. Makes it hard to get a read on people doing so. Why go after coag when people KNOW he's going to be at least some form of useless, especially on Day 1? Are the people pursuing him really able to say "this is NOT town coag on day 1"? If not, why is the vote on coag, or why is coag on the shit-list other than for being useless?

That's right.

This is actually my problem with Koshi at the moment. Koshi knows what will happen if he pushes Vayne lynch now. Vayne probably OMGUSes him and that'll turn the thread into a shitfest and for people not knowing Vayne's play (regardless of his alignment) Koshi will look better than him with justified reasoning. That however does not tell anything about either of those people's alignment.

Vayne needs to be let doing his own stuff. Regardless of if he is mafia or not attacking him at this point, when he has posted twice, does not help figuring out his alignment. He is capable of good analyses, but if someone attacks him for stupid reasons he'll attack back. If he and his useless posts are left unnoticed he'll have to contribute something useful, otherwise we lynch him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 23:10 GMT
#962
On September 22 2013 08:08 Risen wrote:
That's an awful scummy post from rayne. You defending two people you know are town?

I am not defending anyone, i am asking what makes Coag / Vayne scum. Those are probably the easiest places to place a vote at the moment aside from no-posters.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 23:10 GMT
#964
On September 22 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:
What if Vayne doesnt break character rayn?

lynch.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#977
So Risen what do you think about marv?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 00:23 GMT
#997
Something is not right in this game. My strongest town read is ObviousOne.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 00:34 GMT
#1007
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 00:40 GMT
#1010
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 00:45 GMT
#1014
On September 22 2013 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

Yes. Now tell me when I said something different?

Your initial answers to OO read me as you were not interested in knowing more about Zaragon.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 11:43 GMT
#1161
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

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On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


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On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

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I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 11:45 GMT
#1163
FirmTofu why is your play completely different from Desert?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 11:47 GMT
#1164
Also Risen, could you answer me about what's your read on marv?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 11:57 GMT
#1166
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 12:16 GMT
#1172
On September 22 2013 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735

Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning?
Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 12:30 GMT
#1175
On September 22 2013 21:22 Zaragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:36 Zaragon wrote:
I don't read either Tofu or DP as scum right now. The problem with that is, they could both be, playing off each other, as it would be a good time for that. Still, I'm going to assume they're town for now since the other line of thinking is currently not useful. Especially since Tofu suspects VE, who I have had a bad feeling about all game.

I don't see any other reasoning for going after DP at this point as scum, I hope DP will elaborate about why he thinks there is.

Oh and from earlier:

On September 22 2013 09:26 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:20 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Do you have thoughts about that post or no?

It says almost nothing.

You're so adorable. What does it mean to you that it says almost nothing? That's the point of the game.

So you think only scum posts like that?


On September 22 2013 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 22 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So JAT if someone posts something that's mostly fluff your thoughts on it are "big deal?", why?

Because in my experience town does it all the time, too. It's not that it doesn't matter but if you want to convince me the dude is scum you should give me more reasons.

Yeah you are right. It does not mean he is scum. But it's a post that serves no purpose. It says nothing. You should be by default curious of his intentions for making the post. It helps you getting a better read on him and it helps out people getting a better read on you. Townies should care about finding scum, bad posts should be called out.

I wrote exactly what I thought. That it is more likely to come from scum. Does that outright eliminate him as town? No. But since fuck-all is happening I'm trying to make something happen. So you have completely avoided answering this question. It's kind of important to note that the question wasn't important, the fact that you haven't answered it yet though is very interesting. Do you think I'm scum?


It was a bedtime post. But I'm glad you made some kind of use of it, even if only Rayn comes out looking slightly scum from it, to me. Rayn, would you say that your posts have generally had more substance than the one you pointed out? If we assume that asking what someone else thinks is not substance.

Yes i am saying that my posts have had way more substance than the post of yours in question here.
How does me saying what i did make me scum?
Also what exactly is your read on Pandain / VE and why?


It doesn't make you scum, you have just thrown out a lot of questions and provided few reads apart from a bit on FT. Which gives little material for anyone to read you, which is slightly scummy at this point.

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On September 22 2013 20:50 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:45 Zaragon wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
Zaragon, your filter has basically nothing of substance on VE, other than "feels", and "potentially a mafia VE might play this way if both these dudes are town".

Elaborate please.


That's what it boils down to. His timing and input with his posts at that time seemed very deliberate, acting as catalyst for a town vs town fight and at the same time establishing himself as being on DP's side. Even his emotional responses felt too deliberate to me; I can't define that as it's mostly gut. It's day one, so any read--for me at least--works under the assumption that someone is linked to someone who is likely either town or scum. Any suspicion I have is still weak, and I won't pretend otherwise. I missed my window to go after him with sharper phrasings.

So.. what do you make of VE dropping his issues with Geript once I presented a counter-point?


Felt like softening his play as scum. Makes sense as town as well, though, it really was the sort of discussion where you can have an emotional reaction about something you might reread later. If he hadn't been a significant part in inciting the emotional part, it would be neutral; as is, suspicious

So in comparsion you should be really scummy then?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 22 2013 12:43 GMT
#1179
On September 22 2013 21:32 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 22 2013 21:12 Mocsta wrote:
On September 22 2013 20:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, has your read on Koshi changed since yesterday?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=37#735

Oh right. Could you elaborate on the reasoning?
Waht makes Sentinel's vote on Coag worse than Koshi's on VA? (I assume you are voting for Sentinel because of his vote as you gave no reasoning for the vote besides a link to his post - am i right?)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=53#1049

As for why sentinal > koshi

Mainly because Koshi has still been responsive to pressure etc; and at times has commented on important thread matters.
Sentinals filter just reads as blendy shite; and the vote was over compensated for what it was.

Okay. I think you should really consolidate your posts, at least the one's where you vote for people. I really didn't find the reasoning for your Sentinel vote in your filter because it was spread out in three posts.

What are the important matters Koshi has commented on and how is Koshi's responses to the pressure townie?
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