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On September 26 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Pandain is a decent lynch. His case on me D1 was very wrong and misconstrued many posts to paint me as suspicious. He has a case on Sentinel D1, and D2 he puts more suspicion on Sentinel then says he is hesitant to lynch him in the same post... He wants to kill Stutters too but I haven't see much of that. Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town".
Ceph is just a lurker lynch, which is cool.
I'll vote Pandain for great justice!
##Vote: Pandain
This is a great misinterpetation of my post I was going over Sentinel more day 2 because Yamato was still wanting to lynch me. I shared my thoughts on the matter. He played extremely suspiciously day one but day two is extremely town-like and town-mindset.
If you think my goal was to say he's scum, you're wrong. My conclusion was based on his play in day two, he is town. I assume his day one was simply atrocious. He also somewhat adequeately explained his Ray vote, which is one of the main reasons I was suspicious he's scum. I have found only one reason to be suspicious of his play after the first day, which I explained in my post.
People say I have not been pushing anybody. This is clearly wrong. I pushed Sentinel day one, you guys simply didn't listen and I had to work on studies. All my posts have a purpose, in either seeing how someone reacts or seeing if they are actually having reasons for what they do. Or sometimes just help thread. AKA Gertrip vote.
My marv vote was along the same lines, but worse. I was hoping to generate discussion on him and see how people felt, my sleep deprived brain was suspicious of him yesterday but I think there are better options.
I have pushed Stutters and said I would lynch him. My only caveat was that I would feel bad.
I have pushed OO in the beggining because he was playing suspicious for reasons I stated, mainly seeming constructed in his posts and contradicting himself by voting Coag when he says he wants to lynch an inactive. From there, I found out more of his reasoning and now understand he doesn't understand how Coag plays. t
I attempted to get Vayne saved who was clearly town.
I have pushed Cheesecake, and still wonder why others don't analyze him. He lurked almost the entirety of day two
Why have you been absent? He hasn't done shit and is actually guilty of the reasons Marv is accusing me. All he has done is talk about me and eventually vote me for reasons which are weak as I've already stated. Marv, I want your reads on Cheesecake now and why you feel I am more suspicious than him since I assume you have ready every filter.
If you think I'm lurking, you're wrong. I use my time the best I can. I will soon talk about someone I am suspicious of the most, only reason I don't say his name is because I don't want him to start fake contributing now as a response to initial suspicions.
There is no reason I am scum, I am in fact surprised by the accusations, and further surprised by the weak reasoning.
For my firm post, I was saying that the way he posts it will be easier to decide if he's scum later. I'm not saying that he is scum now but we should go after someone else. I think he is too much a combination of town/mafia for me to decide on him, and want to wait until later. That is not scum. That is town.
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Statements that I'm not contributing are wrong.
Statements that I am inconsistent are wrong.
My scum reads are: Rayn, LM CC, Stutters, and the person I will post about later.
I also suspect one of the lurkers to be scum.
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So are you suspicious of marv or not?
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On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence.
He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead.
Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town?
Why have you not pushed for Koshi day two? You are clearly confident he's scum. You have not even been attempting to push him or generate discussion. This conflicts with your general town play to root out scum.
On September 25 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Pandain's supicions: D1: Sentinel, doesn't push the lynch at all. D2: Show nested quote +I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum.
I'm probably going to vote and push for Stutters tomorrow as I think he's actually the best vote choice above Mattchew and Sentinel. Then, about Stutters: "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. " -- Sounds like a real push. Votes for marv, why? No mention about others. Oh, but Mattchew was "not the best lynch" or "not necessarily scum". To be exact: Show nested quote + Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow.
I would also like you to exactly explain this, as this reasoning is bullshit and I think you made it up to put suspicion on me. Explain your thought process and reasoning on this in its entirety. It doesn't make sense.
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As in later panda bear man before the lynch right?
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On September 25 2013 12:50 Pandain wrote:Day one Senteniel is like the definition of scum. His first post is a list without content but looks like content. He's wishy washy- hereThen a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum. Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf. 5* In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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5*
In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game. I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy. He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion And then a sudden change after re-reading? Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one? More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post: Show nested quote +And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red.
(##Vote Chairman Ray) Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.
Better than yamato I guess.
##Vote: Chairman Ray Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched. But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes. What do you think of his D2 play Yamato?
Panda, my problem with this post is that you spend the entirety of it talking about how Sentinel looks / looked like scum, and then in the last sentence say he is probably town because his D2 is good. If you don't think he's scum, why bring up the reasons for him being scum again?
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My computer is about to die.
I think Marv is town. I am not certain.
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On September 26 2013 02:52 Pandain wrote:
My computer is about to die.
I think Marv is town. I am not certain.
Marv is probably town.
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Actually scratch that. I'm uncertain.
But I don't think it's worth pursuing at this time.
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On September 26 2013 02:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 12:50 Pandain wrote:Day one Senteniel is like the definition of scum. His first post is a list without content but looks like content. He's wishy washy- hereThen a contradiction/wishwass/simple scum. On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf. 5* In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. On September 23 2013 07:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 07:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 06:55 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 06:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote:
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And yet you looked town! I can't say that here.
That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game. I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy. He sounds pretty sure of himself and like he already came to a conclusion And then a sudden change after re-reading? On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one? More importantly, this contradicts with what he writes in his explanation post: And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red.
(##Vote Chairman Ray) On September 23 2013 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm reading Ray's filter from newbie, he seems a lot more restricted here than there which is weird. Unless coaches were really on meth (holy shit I was coaching? nobody sent me any questions, I forgot all about it), I can't really say why he would regress in his ability to post substance.
Better than yamato I guess.
##Vote: Chairman Ray Does not sound paniced. It's a possibility but I think it's weak, also FT was the other main guy who could be lynched. But day two sentinel is so good, he's reasoned and makes sense. Simply because of his day two, I'm hesitant to lynch him. It's so town in my eyes. What do you think of his D2 play Yamato? Panda, my problem with this post is that you spend the entirety of it talking about how Sentinel looks / looked like scum, and then in the last sentence say he is probably town because his D2 is good. If you don't think he's scum, why bring up the reasons for him being scum again?
I was talking to Yamato. I was also unsure how to analyze a super scum d1 play with a super town d2 play, so I was sharing my analysis and looking for feedback. Yamato never responded.
I now think Sentinel simply played awful day one. Townies do that sometimes. His play has been pushing the thread forward and he has been analyzing and showing an interest to lynch scum.
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On September 26 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 02:38 marvellosity wrote:
iamp! your main scumread is recently in the thread.
why don't you ask him some questions? Can you stop being annoying you said you were going to give me room to operate in order to prove my alignment instead you do this crap. If I have a question I'll ask it. And in fact I already asked a question to risen and he didn't directly answer but he says ft hasn't preformed well this cycle which I vehemently disagree with.
What question? And what has ft done to make you think that way?
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I don't like Mattchew using balance as his reasoning for being suspicious of marv. That's just...I just don't like it.
However it's far more likely to come from a town Matt than a scum Matt imo. Why? Because it's fucking retarded and I don't think he'd have the balls to say "I think town leader X is scum based on literally nothing".
##Unvote
This requires some thought. So think on this I shall.
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Panda is probably a bad lynch.
Now that I think about it, if he pushed Sentinel D1 they (probably) aren't both mafia. If panda is mafia and sent town, he could have just pushed a sent lynch through because he was a target of high suspicion coming into D2.
It seems like everyone in the thread has a scumread of some sort on LM, but nobody wants to lynch him T.T
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On September 26 2013 02:52 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 25 2013 23:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Since you are so keen about me posting everything I think about this game. I don't like rayn at all atm. This is not his usual thread presence.
He doesn't go around declaring people to be 100% town. As town he always does this. Especially with Koshi. Here he goes after him instead.
Like I said he is sheeping you instead of headbutting walls to get his own lynches and opinions through. I can't imagine this to be caused by the size of the game only. Why the fuck should i declare Koshi is town when i don't think he is town? Why have you not pushed for Koshi day two? You are clearly confident he's scum. You have not even been attempting to push him or generate discussion. This conflicts with your general town play to root out scum. Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Pandain's supicions: D1: Sentinel, doesn't push the lynch at all. D2: I would check Shutters, LM, Marv, Rayn, and Mattchew for likely scum.
I'm probably going to vote and push for Stutters tomorrow as I think he's actually the best vote choice above Mattchew and Sentinel. Then, about Stutters: "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time. " -- Sounds like a real push. Votes for marv, why? No mention about others. Oh, but Mattchew was "not the best lynch" or "not necessarily scum". To be exact: Definitely feel we can find someone better than Mattchew, that's my goal for tommorow. I would also like you to exactly explain this, as this reasoning is bullshit and I think you made it up to put suspicion on me. Explain your thought process and reasoning on this in its entirety. It doesn't make sense.
I have not pushed Koshi because i don't think he is necessarily scum. I have explained this already on N1. Also i have explained why -- even if i thought he is scum -- i would not push him on D2. Another thing that makes me think you are scum, you are clearly not reading the thread.
About Sentinel. Are you saying you really did oush his lynch? Because to me it didn't look like it.
About D2 lynch candidates, the people you have even mentioned from your list of scummy people are Stutters and Mattchew. You said you don't want to lynch Mattchew. You said you will be pushing Stutters, then, in the same post you say "I feel bad because he's probably genuinely sick so I don't know if I want to give him more time". Do you think this is going feel very threathening push to Stutters if he is mafia?
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On September 26 2013 02:52 iamperfection wrote:
As in later panda bear man before the lynch right?
Sorry I missed this.
But no, I meant later. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a lynch of him if he makes more posts which indicate alignment, however.
And what do you think of my Sentinel analysis?
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Rayn your posting honestly annoys me. I was going off of your recent post which says you don't think he's town.
You also said that if he played more passive you would look at him today. He is playing passive. What do you think of him now? And me giving a caveat isn't real good analysis. You think I wasn't accusing Stutters in that post? Really?
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On September 25 2013 14:25 kushm4sta wrote:
i am for real sick. if i dont feel better by tomorrow i will ask for a replacement. which i dont do lightly
Totes town. Also still reading.
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Yamato since I know your town and I won't have much time to give an analysis, I'll give you this.
I think VE is scum. He has been lurking during day two despite being here. Hasn't been sharing opinions only agreeing disagreeing. Votes Matt with the bandwagon then unvotes. You and WoS were both suspicious of VE and commented that he's scum and both of you got shot.
I'll post more about it later but that's who I want to get lynched. Also Rayn is feeling really weak to me now. Still think Stutters is scum but I've found better targets.
What I need to do is contrast VE with his town/ scum play which I'll do later.
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On September 26 2013 03:15 Pandain wrote:
Rayn your posting honestly annoys me. I was going off of your recent post which says you don't think he's town.
You also said that if he played more passive you would look at him today. He is playing passive. What do you think of him now? And me giving a caveat isn't real good analysis. You think I wasn't accusing Stutters in that post? Really?
I am saying i will be giving him this day, because he said he is in a seminaire or smth and can't post much. His posting on N1 felt much more townier than D1. I am not saying he is town, i am not saying he is scum. I don't know what he is atm. Even if he is scum there are 5 other scum to find. Me pushing Koshi lynch does not serve any purpose because he can't even respond properly. I will have much better read on him if i let him do what he wants and judge him for it.
I am saying your Stutters push is ridiculous because you say you are going to push his lynch and in the same post you say you might be willing to give him more time. That's not confident. If you are not confident you will never get anyone lynched. I would assume you are good enough player to know that. Are you? Or why are you giving an unconfident image of yourself to your lynch target in the first place? Can you explain that?
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I'll respond and point out your flaws after class
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