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On September 24 2013 18:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 16:56 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 12:52 Pandain wrote:
Firm out of curiosity what made you change your read on Zaragon? The way he responded to my accusations. Just felt like a townie response to me. I also know that my case wasn't the strongest evidence-wise, so I am willing to consider other options as well.
Like what.
How did it feel like a townie response?
I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed?
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On September 24 2013 18:27 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 18:20 FirmTofu wrote:On September 24 2013 16:56 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 12:52 Pandain wrote:
Firm out of curiosity what made you change your read on Zaragon? The way he responded to my accusations. Just felt like a townie response to me. I also know that my case wasn't the strongest evidence-wise, so I am willing to consider other options as well. Like what. How did it feel like a townie response? I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed?
No, marv and I disagreed on my heuristics. I changed my read on Zaragon independently of anyone else.
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Ugh. I just read his filter again and he's back in scum territory. I don't remember why I changed, but this guy is still scummy imo.
On September 24 2013 11:16 Zaragon wrote:
Ugh that tells us next to nothing I can see.
With an FT shot, either way he flipped he would have yielded tons of information. Red: Rayn would be confirmed scum to me. Sentinel, pretty much confirmed. Geript a lot more suspect, for all intents and purposes confirmed. Kush a lot more suspect. And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter.
Some Mocsta and LoneMeow voters would get a lot more alignment-indicative. And we'd basically have four confirmed town who voted FT besides Chairman Ray.
Green: the playing field would be a lot more open, but it would make a lot of other people read townier than they are (yes, I'd look significantly scummier, I wanted to take that risk)
That's just off the top of my head
What does this tell us? Do we just hope that the next 48 hours doesn't let us convince ourselves to get out of an FT lynch?
I can't believe I missed this post. How exactly is rayn confirmed scum if I flip red? Rayn always busses his teammates when he's scum. He sure as hell isn't going to hard-defend me when I'm the most likely person to get lynched on day 2. Awful logic.
I'm not sure as to how Sentinel is even related to me.
Basically all he's doing is making pre-flip association cases that are likely to amount to shit. It's a terrible way to play.
The only thing I like about this post is "And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter." I actually agree with this. I was a good vig shot considering the circumstances of the lynch. Those who try to dissuade the town of that are quite simply anti-town.
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Voting Zaragon for now. Going to bed. Am also willing to lynch Sentinel.
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Since when has yamato been confirmed town?
Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato.
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##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Who are your scumreads and why?
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On September 24 2013 18:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 18:27 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 18:20 FirmTofu wrote:On September 24 2013 16:56 Pandain wrote:On September 24 2013 12:52 Pandain wrote:
Firm out of curiosity what made you change your read on Zaragon? The way he responded to my accusations. Just felt like a townie response to me. I also know that my case wasn't the strongest evidence-wise, so I am willing to consider other options as well. Like what. How did it feel like a townie response? I assume you mean Marv convinced you your argument was flawed? No, marv and I disagreed on my heuristics. I changed my read on Zaragon independently of anyone else. ............... Ugh. I just read his filter again and he's back in scum territory. I don't remember why I changed, but this guy is still scummy imo. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:16 Zaragon wrote:
Ugh that tells us next to nothing I can see.
With an FT shot, either way he flipped he would have yielded tons of information. Red: Rayn would be confirmed scum to me. Sentinel, pretty much confirmed. Geript a lot more suspect, for all intents and purposes confirmed. Kush a lot more suspect. And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter.
Some Mocsta and LoneMeow voters would get a lot more alignment-indicative. And we'd basically have four confirmed town who voted FT besides Chairman Ray.
Green: the playing field would be a lot more open, but it would make a lot of other people read townier than they are (yes, I'd look significantly scummier, I wanted to take that risk)
That's just off the top of my head
What does this tell us? Do we just hope that the next 48 hours doesn't let us convince ourselves to get out of an FT lynch? I can't believe I missed this post. How exactly is rayn confirmed scum if I flip red? Rayn always busses his teammates when he's scum. He sure as hell isn't going to hard-defend me when I'm the most likely person to get lynched on day 2. Awful logic. I'm not sure as to how Sentinel is even related to me. Basically all he's doing is making pre-flip association cases that are likely to amount to shit. It's a terrible way to play. The only thing I like about this post is "And anyone who deflected from an FT shot would be suspicious--they are slightly now, for that matter." I actually agree with this. I was a good vig shot considering the circumstances of the lynch. Those who try to dissuade the town of that are quite simply anti-town.
I had no idea about that meta on Rayn, can anyone verify? I suppose I might believe it since he'd set himself up for that with his playstyle
I'm slightly frustrated if my scum read on him is mostly because he keeps deflecting with questions, and he's just always been doing that and no one commented on my read
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Mattchew:
At the early stages of the game you said you opened four player's filters. The only thing you contributed about them after that was that you liked the tone of my posts. I asked you about your read on Mocsta and you had a town read on him. Did you get a town read on LoneMeow and Zaragon aswell? What do you think about them now and why did you pick the four people you did in the first place?
Also, you said this on N1:
i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker
Elaborate please?
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Zaragon explain to me how am i "deflecting with questions"? Show me where i ask questions and not give a conclusion after that.
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Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum.
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On September 24 2013 20:15 Zaragon wrote:
Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum.
That's how you are supposed to play lol.
So i am scum because i ask questions and make conclusions based on answers, and because i did not vote for FirmTofu whose alignment you don't even know.
that's really weak dude.
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On September 24 2013 10:59 Pandain wrote:
Coag dont shoot Vayne if he was mafia he would care about gettng shot
On September 24 2013 11:00 yamato77 wrote:
Please do kill him
On September 24 2013 11:01 kushm4sta wrote:
ya please kill him. I have seen him do this i dont care shit before i think when we were on a sucmteam toghter
Yamato and Kush, can you explain your reasoning here at the end of the night phase?
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Btw Zaragon i already talked about me bussing as scum with Koshi on N1. Are you even reading my posts? I even posted a game which you should have looked at if you think i am scum.
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On September 24 2013 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 20:15 Zaragon wrote:
Your filter to me reads like this: ask question, gauge reaction, give opinion based on reaction. Sometimes ask multiple questions, give opinion if one leads in the right direction. The few times you went opinion + question at once, it didn't feel substantial to me. Feels like a scum way to play, even if its not an unreasonable way to play as town; as I said you were only slightly suspicious to me at first. Until the end of the day when you felt aligned with FT and voted Chairman Ray, at which point I felt you would be confirmed scum if FT flips scum. That's how you are supposed to play lol. So i am scum because i ask questions and make conclusions based on answers, and because i did not vote for FirmTofu whose alignment you don't even know. that's really weak dude.
I told you, your play itself only made you lean slightly scum for me. It felt like you were hiding more of your thoughts than I felt is truly towny. Questions to me are interrogation tools, but I haven't felt you balance them out with reads that could not be constructed on your responses.
I'm now asking if someone besides FT can verify your meta, because if you play like this all the time I have much less on you.
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Zaragon. The tells on rayn is why he is town.
As scum he uses info advantage to run discredit campaigns.
He is genuinely inquisitive as you pointed out, and is picking and choosing his battles.
Hallmarks of town play, and precisely why rayn is town. He has continued that behaviour throughout the whole game.
You just dropped some points on my ranking , which is going under a total underhaul btw.
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On September 24 2013 20:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw Zaragon i already talked about me bussing as scum with Koshi on N1. Are you even reading my posts? I even posted a game which you should have looked at if you think i am scum.
I had glanced at Desert and Catch 22. Doing a more careful pattern read on you now since I realized I had only compared endgames
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Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"?
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Hey brewskis! I'm Darth pink and I'm town.
I also have a problem set due tomorrow so it's unlikely I'll be able to read the whole thread. If people could link me to cases or guide my reading it would be a big help.
Truck?
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Ebwop that was supposed to say ttyl
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On September 24 2013 21:04 rposelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, talk to me about Pandain. What do you mean with the "not confused enough about NK's"?
Will provide more when I'm home.
Too hard on phone.
But in short. His post came about 3 to 4min after night post.
Thoughts are too coherent for new Info I think. Consider time to refresh , read post with lots of flavour, and think about outcome, plus type.
Pandain admitted to being a slow typed too.
I'm saying, his point of view is based on info town did not have.
Exacerbated when questioning why yam wasn't shot. For me personally, he wasn't a solid night1 kill. So yeah.
Dunno when I will be home. Plus coming from a port tasting night. So to be honest. I'm a touch hammered. On a side note. Vintage port IS incredible.
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