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Just cool your tits rayn.
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On September 24 2013 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 24 2013 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO just isn't as engaged as I expect him to be at this stage in the game. A lot of stuff has happened, a lot of people have said things they can be held to, and OO isn't prodding/poking people the way I've come to expect him to as town. Most of his posts have stank of "Hi guys, I'm here and reading and am townie just like you!"
Coag is mostly a gut feeling. I feel like I'd be further up on his scum list if he were town - I haven't done a whole lot this game and it's raising a lot of peoples' hackles, but not Coag's.
gumshoe is the lurkiest lurker. I feel like scum are lurking, and no one is drawing attention to gumshoe like at all. This is suspicious to me, but it's also not conclusive. Again, mostly feels. Okay so what differentiates gumshoe from Xzavier, Onegu and Zenatsu? Well strictly speaking, nothing...but I feel like I've seen those three names brought by others up more. I might be misremembering, or remembering Xz and Onegu from playing with them before maybe, but that's my reasoning. Again, that read is mostly gut and hard to explain. I don't expect you to like it, only acknowledge it and take it into account if/when I flip.
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Can you quote me one post that says anything about about those three people but not about gumshoe?
Can you quote all of those guys filter to me and tell me why they are not red in your list?
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Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours 
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No, I'm not going to do those things rayn...nor am I going to push for a gumshoe lynch tomorrow based on all of this. You asked me and I answered. Get the fuck over it.
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On September 24 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I'm not going to do those things rayn...nor am I going to push for a gumshoe lynch tomorrow based on all of this. You asked me and I answered. Get the fuck over it.
My problem is this. None of those guys have posted once. All but Onegu got replaced..
Why do you bring up gumshoe but noone else?
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On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours
Thank you. 
On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members.
I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum.
The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else.
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I told you already - because based on my (admittedly fragmented and not-quite-completely-reliable) memory gumshoe has been MENTIONED BY OTHERS the least.
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On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else.
Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave.
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On September 24 2013 04:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I told you already - because based on my (admittedly fragmented and not-quite-completely-reliable) memory gumshoe has been MENTIONED BY OTHERS the least.
Okay we are making progress here. Why would mafia mention only their member and not other non-posters in case gumshoe is scum? Or if a townie brings up gumshoe and not the other non-posters, how does that make him more likely scum than the others?
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On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave.
How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible.
I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time.
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Not by others of their team - I'm saying by others in general. I'm saying that scum would NOT mention their teammates as lurker-lynch candidates...therefor, whoever of the non-posters has been mentioned the least is the MOST likely to be scum.
Before you ask, I haven't like cross-referenced the people I've marked as red and found that they haven't mentioned gumshoe or anything, this is all strictly from my memory of the thread from reading it as it's gone along. NOT based on evidence I've found or connections I've drawn between specific players.
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On September 24 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time.
I just don't know why. You've seen towns devour themselves on this site as much as I have recently. Why is that so hard for you to believe?
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On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:39 deconduo wrote:Hey guys, just spotted the PM saying I'm in the game. Reading 117 pages now, I'll be back in a few hours Thank you. On September 24 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 24 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
1: DarthPunk
2: raynpelikoneet
3: WaveofShadow
4: gumshoe
5: yamato77
6: kushm4sta
7: Koshi
8: ObviousOne
9: Chairman Ray
10: FirmTofu
11: Pandain
12: Cephiro
13: Mr. Cheesecake
14: Xzavier
15: Coagulation
16: Stutters695
17: Onegu
18: Zenatsu
19: [UoN]Sentinel
20: VisceraEyes
21: VayneAuthority
22: geript
23: Risen
24: LoneMeow
25: marvellosity
26: Zaragon
27: Mattchew
28: Umasi
29: justanothertownie
30: Mocsta
Okay this is where I stand going into reread mode. If anyone has any questions for me get them into the thread. I realize there are probably too many red names, but these are where most of my suspicions lie. I'll be doing a mix of filtering and rereading, so I may be delayed in responding. I'm pretty bothered by the fact that many of these red names are present in my vig-list in one form or another. Do you really believe that the entire scumteam is being lurky/useless and they do not have one strong member? I would consider both OO and Mattchew to be strong members. I've never played with Mattchew before, so I can only base my thoughts of him on this game's performance and so far, I'm not impressed. OO is a different story, and yes, at times he can be a prolific poster and a good scumteam member. He is also apparently capable of spectacular blunders as scum. The point of my question is, neither of these players can be declared to be influential or strong within this game; as such there is NOBODY on your entire redlist who I would consider a strong player, and that to me, is suspect. It is incredibly easy to pick out the weaker half of the player list and throw a bunch of red names on there because it will either be difficult for them to retaliate or prove their innocence, or because there hasn't been a great deal of counter-discussion with or involving those players that could implicate you above anyone else. Only if you start from the assumption that I'm scum. The list and its contents are for when that consideration is no longer an issue Wave. How and when will that no longer be an issue? Do you believe that you will be able to prove yourself as the day progresses? Because I look forward to that. As it stands atm I have you at 'having a bad game' or 'scum.' Both equally possible. I'm not assuming you're scum necessarily, VE, but I find it very hard to believe that a town VE's list is this.....'easy.' Of course it is entirely possible as well that all of the scum this game ARE contained within weak posters/lurkers, I just choose to remain skeptical of that at the current time. I just don't know why. You've seen towns devour themselves on this site as much as I have recently. Why is that so hard for you to believe?
Because that is my nature as a player. I have attempted to ditch the 'conspiracy theory' side of myself but it's just not happening anytime soon. I have always found it is better to prepare for the worst case scenarios (ie super-strong active scumteam) and hope for the best (a scumteam made up of lurk that we can vig into). It is ultimately more fruitful in my opinion to suspect everyone as often as I can so I don't let any 'confirmed townreads' in my mind slip by.
Again I admit, in this game it is certainly possible that the scumteam in its entirety is located in your redlist. But it certainly wouldn't be my first and most confident thought, nor would I necessarily think it to be the first thought of any confident town player who wants to consider any and all options.
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On September 24 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not by others of their team - I'm saying by others in general. I'm saying that scum would NOT mention their teammates as lurker-lynch candidates...therefor, whoever of the non-posters has been mentioned the least is the MOST likely to be scum.
Before you ask, I haven't like cross-referenced the people I've marked as red and found that they haven't mentioned gumshoe or anything, this is all strictly from my memory of the thread from reading it as it's gone along. NOT based on evidence I've found or connections I've drawn between specific players.
Okay well, the thing is i do not think anyone of those people have been mentioned by anyone besides "has not posted" lists.
I really don't understand where you get this "feeling" you have seen them being mentioned (other than gumshoe)..
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Oh in response to your question Wave, it will no longer be a concern when I flip to either scum, vig or lynch. When my alignment is made plain for all and is no longer a question. I MAY be able to prove myself townie, but I mean when I'm confirmed in the strictest sense.
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Don't like that VE list. No I don't.
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On September 24 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Don't like that VE list. No I don't.
Then kill me bbygrl. I wouldn't mind being spared of reading this mess
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As for as towns devouring themselves in recent games...it's basically EVERY game. I have no faith in TL towns any more and having not played town for an extended period of time in a game for a while, I am attempting to do my part in making up for it. The thing is, though, TL towns haven't been only devouring themselves due to terrible townplay (those it is a primary factor). I don't think I've seen a scumteam in the recent string of wins who hasn't deserved to win in any degree, and that to me would be what you are suggesting with your list.
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