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On August 10 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax what's your read on FT?
He's unusually inactive and I still have some unanswered questions. Seems like another solid lynch, unless he shows up with some bombastic posts before deadline.
On theother hand, similarly to Onegu though we still don't have reaction to the current developments, whereas johnnywup keeps shining through lack of scumhunting even in his activity.
There's still the matter of houses handing out KP, this isn't just about the lynch, it's also about lords deciding who should be a prime choice for house kp. Thing is, after deadline the other suspects can't post, only talk to their house members.
I'd say consolidate on someone who is more actively scummy for the lynch, and leave inactives to be scrutinized during the night by their respective houses, when they might have had the chance to catch up from inactivity.
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Okay so, FT has been really defensive all game. His campaign (if you read my post in the beginning of D1) was full of shit as explained. He tried to show up as confident, but in his other PM´s with me he was REALLY insecure and non-committal. I asked him what does he think about revealing all the players in every house in thread, he answered: "i want to know what the thread thinks about it before giving an opinion"... REALLY?
This post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=51#1017
Why does he have to prove that his case on Acrofales is "original"?
How does he even know that Acro was accused by people if he has not read the thread?
This is what we have been talking about with iamp.
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i feel really confident about this in fact
it is
now
wait for it
THE WAGON OF JUSTICE
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Vote Count
Firmtofu (2) iamperfection, raynplikoneet
Onegu (1) strongangbig, raynplikoneet
Acrofales (1) Oberyn, raynplikoneet
jkirby (1) Acrofales
s0lstice (0) Chromatically, Oberyn, Acrofales
Vivax (0) iamperfection
raynplikoneet (0) Acrofales
not voting (1) Chromatically
Firmtofu is set to be lynched. Deadline is in 4 hours, at 05:00 GMT (+00:00).
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I can get behind this lynch. Would prefer shots over lynch, but whatever. Shots at Vivax would make me happy.
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On August 10 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 08:49 johnnywup wrote:thats not what i said  and i never said its a meaningful contribution but making a list and not knowing which house two people are in doesn't make me look mafia i'm not saying i'm contributing from that post but someone asked for a list and I wanted it put into a post for convenience sake so i made it. it's just something i thought would be nice and people could refer back to if they needed. i don't understand how that makes me look like mafia? Go more in depth about your FT scumread please, you give me the impression you aren't reading the thread properly and only throw in some half-assed scumread to calm down the waters. If you're defensive, town and know it, you could try to change that and actually show some interest into finding out who's scum. Instead you don't seem to show any interest whatsoever into covnincing the lords to get to the right lynch, only to survive, and that seems a lot like scum play. Most of my house seems interested into lynching Onegu, although I still need to get a clearer picture from PMs. Oats is like disappeared currently, still waiting for a few replies. I'm kinda unsure on the choice but I can't find any particular reason for assuming Onegu is town at this point either. I feel that some of the points brought up against him are also similar to stuff that others are similarly guilty of: Lack of sharing scumreads, and lack of interest, I can't tell if he's genuinely busy though and would argue that someone like johnny has a similar style but doesn't have an excuse. I think the currently most viable options for the lords to consolidate are Onegu, yammo and johnnywup. I don't think I got them too convinced on Koshi. Of those available I endorse both a yammo and a johnnywup lynch. Oberyn's points from his pm traffic seem very strong and so far I don't recall yammo fighting back to those properly, which is not townie from someone I would expect to be more headstrong. Johnny is scummy for reasons that I hopefully clarified for everyone. Onegu is an okayish lynch but not the best in my opinion, I'd give him some time to see if his claim of being busy is legit. In that case his activity should pick up.
Soft defend of FT, check. Trying to shift focus back to Onegu at a time when the wagon is leaving him, check.
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The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes.
I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house.
Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation.
I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets.
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other lords get in here and lynch scum
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On August 10 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnnywup can you start making them?
Who do you think is mafia?
im not pretending i have lol but that doesn't make me scum
and i can start making them but im not really motivated to atm.
if i were to pick one from every house it would be sharrant ft oats gumshoe koshi onegu i haven't been paying as much attention this game tbh and im losing interest as people continue thinking im scum. it's too much effort to prove my inoccence. if you guys think it's a good idea to kill me just night kill me and don't waste any discussion on me and try to find actual scum. im really close to not giving a shit anymore
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Ok I am up, 15 pages behind reading now.
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On August 10 2013 10:39 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnnywup can you start making them?
Who do you think is mafia? im not pretending i have lol but that doesn't make me scum and i can start making them but im not really motivated to atm. if i were to pick one from every house it would be sharrant ft oats gumshoe koshi onegu i haven't been paying as much attention this game tbh and im losing interest as people continue thinking im scum. it's too much effort to prove my inoccence. if you guys think it's a good idea to kill me just night kill me and don't waste any discussion on me and try to find actual scum. im really close to not giving a shit anymore
fuck you
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On August 10 2013 10:39 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
johnnywup can you start making them?
Who do you think is mafia? im not pretending i have lol but that doesn't make me scum and i can start making them but im not really motivated to atm. if i were to pick one from every house it would be sharrant ft oats gumshoe koshi onegu i haven't been paying as much attention this game tbh and im losing interest as people continue thinking im scum. it's too much effort to prove my inoccence. if you guys think it's a good idea to kill me just night kill me and don't waste any discussion on me and try to find actual scum. im really close to not giving a shit anymore
Why did you sign up if you're not really gonna play?
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ask that to gumshoe, lol.
i put in at least some effort up till this point. I care about winning. but there comes a point where i no longer do if i keep being shit on by everyone. i do want to kill scum but frankly i don't care to put in enough effort at this point.
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noone is gonna lynch you dude. wehy do you think those people you mentioned are mafia?
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On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum? In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn?
This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game.
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I'm not even the lurkiest here. Gunshoe has 4 pages of pregame trivia, and not a single post after game start.
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lords the realm needs you where are you?
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I'm around, just reading.
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On August 10 2013 11:10 Oberyn wrote:
I'm around, just reading.
vote tofu
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EPT
