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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 20:31 GMT
#1401
On August 10 2013 05:29 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:28 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really see as town how you could genuinely be angry at oats and then be a complete hypocrite to what you expect from others

You seem to be missing that I'm here now being readable.

Why do you think we should lynch SnB? I am not sure if he is town given the Clarity/SnB/Oats disaster that was allowed to go on too long. What are your thoughts about him?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
August 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#1402
On August 10 2013 05:25 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:24 Oberyn wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:21 Acrofales wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote:
yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him.

I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town.

His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it."

It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy.

Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres.

Look, I already told you guys who to lynch.


Do you want a medal for your one-liner?

Do you disagree that SNB is scum?

I do not trust the Lord Stark, nor do I trust his bannerman Ser Oatsmaster. But I do not feel he is suspicious enough to lynch. Why do you feel that way? I need a lot more convincing than your word, which is suspect to say the least.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#1403
On August 10 2013 05:25 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:24 Oberyn wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:21 Acrofales wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote:
yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him.

I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town.

His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it."

It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy.

Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres.

Look, I already told you guys who to lynch.


Do you want a medal for your one-liner?

Do you disagree that SNB is scum?


I don't have a strong read one way or the other. What's your thought process?

What do you think about sol/koshi?

Do you still think oats is scum?

Have you exchanged any pms with our house mates this cycle?

Who is your preferred lurker shot?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#1404
On August 10 2013 05:28 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
@Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes?

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.

I would love to stay and chat but its late


Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?

Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister-
Xatalos
Gumshoe
Iamperfection
Grackaroni

So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town.

Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him.

Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.

Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum.

I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not.

I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 09 2013 20:33 GMT
#1405
On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, people I want to lynch:

jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres.

FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting.

Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch.

I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now.

I find your lack of response to me disturbing. Seems opportunistic to call me scum without actually trying to interact with me at all.
Writer@WriterYamato
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
August 09 2013 20:34 GMT
#1406
On August 10 2013 05:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, people I want to lynch:

jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres.

FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting.

Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch.

I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now.

I find your lack of response to me disturbing. Seems opportunistic to call me scum without actually trying to interact with me at all.

Why? Do I need to hold your hand as well? Tie your shoelaces perhaps?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 09 2013 20:36 GMT
#1407
@Yamato, Please write out a case on S&B
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 20:36 GMT
#1408
On August 10 2013 05:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, people I want to lynch:

jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres.

FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting.

Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch.

I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now.

I find your lack of response to me disturbing. Seems opportunistic to call me scum without actually trying to interact with me at all.


You've had every opportunity to contribute. We shouldn't have to ask you, you should want to tell us. You had to have known that we would want a reason for your s&b suspicion. Why not post it without being prompted?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 09 2013 20:38 GMT
#1409
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 09 2013 20:39 GMT
#1410
On August 10 2013 03:08 Dandel Ion wrote:
In an conscious effort to improve thread atmosphere, I've decided to stop posting for today.


I'm not sure if this is a serious post or not, but I'd strongly advise against this.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 20:43 GMT
#1411
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything?

How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
August 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#1412
Risen! Who do you want to kill. If you're a loyalist, you generally have good intuitions once you've settled down. If you're a Blackfyre you will just accuse your fellow conspirators. I want to know who you'd like to kill today! And please don't refer me to your earlier long discourse: I want an updated version!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 09 2013 20:45 GMT
#1413
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 09 2013 20:47 GMT
#1414
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 09 2013 20:50 GMT
#1415
On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.

Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 09 2013 20:51 GMT
#1416
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).

His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread.
Writer@WriterYamato
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#1417
On August 10 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum.

Okay this is weird. Why would you ever consider anyone´s first post more pro-town than yours? you should post as pro town as possible, in every single post.

when did I say this in my post? But I'm sure there were people that came into the thread with more pro-town first posts than my own. I try to make my posts as pro-town as possible obviously, but there are lots of town and some people are better at making posts that are pro-town than I am.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
August 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#1418
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.

Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.

I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.

##vote jrkirby
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#1419
On August 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:
On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom?

How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless.

It´s everything that happened in his house. Do you give Oats scumread because he said everyone is town in his house and didn´t even explain anything?

How can Grack possibly have scumreads if he thinks everyone is town fron N0? What would you suggest he contributes as scumhunting for his first post?


This is Oats' first post:
On August 08 2013 14:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
So who is scum so far from the 6 houses?
my house seems pretty townie

Does that look like a fake contribution to you? Grack's first post was an explanation of useless reads that don't help town. It was trying to look like contribution without actually being any, ie scum.

It's not that there's no scumhunting in his post, because that can depend on what happened in your house. It's that the post is trying to look helpful by providing reads that actually don't help.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18110 Posts
August 09 2013 20:55 GMT
#1420
On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote:
Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything).

His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread.

In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him.
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