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On August 09 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread? I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information. I'd like to distinguish between saying they don't want to be lord, and them not running for lord. Are you telling me 2/4 in your house did not WANT to be lord? Yes. I am saying that.
It seems like your House is full of scum or very unmotivated townies.
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On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid.
As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone.
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds
Why you being a useless piece of shit when your capable of not being said shit?
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On August 09 2013 03:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 03:05 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 02:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Hey rayn, from your giant post: I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. if you were leaning scum on him why tell your house to elect him? Was there no way to elect one of the other two? Because electing noone is shit and the other people were not running. Even if a house elects mafia as a lord it gives town info. There are 5 lords. People MUST PM with each other (especially Lords). If scumlord, they might out themselves to a town lord. I understand that not electing someone is terrible. My issue is that if you had a scumread on FT, why not try to convince one of the others to run? Surely you'd try to find a way to not elect your scumread? I had no time any more and noone was answering me. There is no reason to have a lord that does not want to be one. They get lazy and we don´t gain information. I'd like to distinguish between saying they don't want to be lord, and them not running for lord. Are you telling me 2/4 in your house did not WANT to be lord? Yes. I am saying that. It seems like your House is full of scum or very unmotivated townies.
My house id the definition of AFK basically. :E
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On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone.
If you really thought that, then what was the point you telling his rolename to Oats in the first place?
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On August 09 2013 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone. If you really thought that, then what was the point you telling his rolename to Oats in the first place?
Oh my god we're going in circles. I wanted to see what oats thought and I wanted to see how snb would react.
Guys please, get over it or something.
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I don't see why everyone wouldn't want to be lord. Everyone is confirmed town to themselves, therefore they're the safest bet. I can only think of a few legitimate reasons why not.
On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone.
So your reaction is to tell everyone else before SnB?
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Alrighty so...
Oats v Yamato is either two scum destroying the thread or one of them taking advantage of the other to destroy the thread.
Oats had a really simple mistake that bothered me pointed out by Koshi here in number 1. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. On August 08 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad. personal attacks and jumping to conclusions not cool
As for the Yamato end, he's been consistently null. He trashed up the thread, but at least he didn't lie or change course. I actually really like this part of his filter + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
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um what?
you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. how can you take that condecending attitude?? How. What a dick. Why havent you talked to them? I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. you have house powers???? cool. Why did your house choose to elect oberyn? Every house has powers, IT'S IN THE OP. >_______________> I guess Onegu and jrkirby thought he was townie. I didn't really have time to talk to so I'm not surprised they chose the other person who was considered a candidate.
Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that.
WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler +but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] )He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure.
I'm looking at Onegu now b/c of thread feelings and I don't see anything inspiring me to chime in. I don't see the contradiction rayne was pointing out. I see why he would think it was a contradiction, but I don't believe it is.
On to Xatalos. First thing that caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet.
Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. On August 08 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? load of shit. What happened: As obviously the best town player in the house, as well as obviously town when town, it was clear I was the best lord from the start. chrom said he wanted to be lord, but seemed pretty rational about not being the best choice since he's 1) average 2) a lurker but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol). Never even considering another lord but himself, even though he had stated HIMSELF that I was probably town and he'd elect me if he couldn't be eleced. And I decided he indeed couldn't be elected. Then he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. So Koshi, that guy said he didn't want to be lord at the start. ok weird but w/e. The he said he'd vote sol over me. So I slammed him with my spears of logic of why I'm best lord and he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. He then also decided to want to be lord for no reason at all. That was the tipping point from which on it was utterly IMPOSSIBLE to get anything out of him. every response then was needlessly passive/agressive, choke-full with either bad logic, or no logic at all, things like that. So basically he claimed scum. So I couldn't elect koshi cuz he was being a scummy bitch I couldn't elect sol cuz he was being a bitch I couldn't elect myself cuz koshi and sol were running around like emotional teenage girls. So I had to elect the lurker that's prolly not even going to use the PM ability cuz afk, just so we get one at all. My house is full of scum and baddies. I want to switch houses. LOL. Well, this post from you is definitely more than I got out of you in all your posts *combined* when you were scum last time. So I'm pretty sure you're town and telling the truth. Chrom seems pretty null from that. Both s0Lstice and Koshi look scummy. I'm more concerned about s0Lstice than Koshi, since Koshi is new (although he fooled me well last game) and s0Lstice should be able to see that you're a good choice for Lord - at least better than Chrom or Koshi (or probably himself, even if he was town). On August 08 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Dandel you can come join my house, np. Koshi played pretty weirdly as town in Titanic so I wouldn't quite say he claimed scum. That said, he did say he was trolling to see how far he could take it without taking heat (and he was town, sigh. On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO. I hate to come back to this subject, but Xatalos could you explain how hiding house member lists slows scumhunting? Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses. On August 09 2013 02:18 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, why would Clarity "throw stupid stuff" as scum? Just to cause confusion or something? Is that plausible?
I don't mind Grackaroni coming in and posting without reading the thread, simple mistake. My problem is that he posts the identity of people without asking his house and without reading the thread. That's something major and anyone should know that. It's a WIFOM, though. Did he make a stupid mistake as town, or is he scum trying to appear as having made a stupid mistake. Wash. I DO have a problem with him coming in and saying + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.
s0lstice hasn't posted anything. Can't really judge anything. Doesn't look particularly good for him, though.
I'm going to reserve judgement on Clarity for the time being to see how this plays out. It's clear he thinks REDACTED will have his back.
Plenty of lurkers, but the game has just started. Please post your opinions on other people in the thread and tell me what you think about my four scum reads (but really discuss my top 3 of Dandel Ion, Xatalos, and Oats)
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On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone.
I don't see any actual scum motivation in forwarding the role name, so I don't think you even have a reason to lie about this. Definitely not lynchworthy stuff.
What was your basis for hiding Oatsmaster's identity, by the way? Or at least aiding in hiding it? It feels very stupid to argue something for so long with incomplete information.
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds
Policy lynches suck, please stop being like this and post actual discussion.
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds
My house kp is currently aimed at you unless you become more active the first half of the game.
Cool a beefy post from Risen :D
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On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:Alrighty so... Oats v Yamato is either two scum destroying the thread or one of them taking advantage of the other to destroy the thread. Oats had a really simple mistake that bothered me pointed out by Koshi here in number 1. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. He explains this away later in the thread as being heuristics. It's more likely a scumslip when you add that he feels the need to respond to inane stuff like he does here. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad. personal attacks and jumping to conclusions not cool As a town player you shouldn't respond to things like this with more filler that just serve to increase the thread length. As scum it gives you the appearance of activity without appearing pushy. Feels like he's just moving around baiting people and later he'll claim it was all just to get discussion flowing to make scum be active. Unfortunately, the point of having scum talk in thread is to trip them up and catch them in a lie. I think he's scum who wanted to appear townie, started this plan, and then slipped himself on accident. If he hadn't he would have been a solid town read later when he "revealed" his master plan to just get discussion going. I love discussion, and this is why. As for the Yamato end, he's been consistently null. He trashed up the thread, but at least he didn't lie or change course. I actually really like this part of his filter + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
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um what?
you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. how can you take that condecending attitude?? How. What a dick. Why havent you talked to them? I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. you have house powers???? cool. Why did your house choose to elect oberyn? Every house has powers, IT'S IN THE OP. >_______________> I guess Onegu and jrkirby thought he was townie. I didn't really have time to talk to so I'm not surprised they chose the other person who was considered a candidate. because to me he's still tunneling Oats, but at least he's found something worth tunneling. Why didn't Oats know about the house powers thing? Because he didn't read the OP. That's fair, I didn't fully read it either. Why did Oats call out Yamato without fully reading the OP? Because he was scum trying desperately to pin Yamato with something and didn't think about the consequences. Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that. WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler +but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] )He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure. Like wat? You know something about s0l the rest of us don't? You trying to win the heart of town s0l as his defender? Or do you know he's scum and are trying to shift from him... either way it's a bad look. Dandel Ion is scum. I'm looking at Onegu now b/c of thread feelings and I don't see anything inspiring me to chime in. I don't see the contradiction rayne was pointing out. I see why he would think it was a contradiction, but I don't believe it is. On to Xatalos. First thing that caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Yamato's rampage was really Yamato AND Oats' rampage. Why are you trying to pin it on one player here? Also, I don't care about your town games, and Yamato isn't new. Comparing yourself to Yamato might hold weight if Yamato was new, but he has plenty of town games for you to look at linked in his profile. But wait, let's be wishy washy and give Yamato advice on not jumping the gun. You know who patronizes in mafia games? Those who are in an argument with another person, mentors, and scum. You weren't in an argument with him, you're not his mentor....... Onwards. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? You giving yourself an out for when Dandel Ion flips? This is soft as all hell. What's his take on it? How about your take on it, and THEN ask him for his take on it. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. Why are you defending Koshi? He's perfectly capable of defending himself. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet.
Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. What's the use of this post other than to cast suspicion on gumshoe when you haven't even really done so in thread yourself? Why are you hedging all over the place so hard? + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? load of shit. What happened: As obviously the best town player in the house, as well as obviously town when town, it was clear I was the best lord from the start. chrom said he wanted to be lord, but seemed pretty rational about not being the best choice since he's 1) average 2) a lurker but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol). Never even considering another lord but himself, even though he had stated HIMSELF that I was probably town and he'd elect me if he couldn't be eleced. And I decided he indeed couldn't be elected. Then he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. So Koshi, that guy said he didn't want to be lord at the start. ok weird but w/e. The he said he'd vote sol over me. So I slammed him with my spears of logic of why I'm best lord and he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. He then also decided to want to be lord for no reason at all. That was the tipping point from which on it was utterly IMPOSSIBLE to get anything out of him. every response then was needlessly passive/agressive, choke-full with either bad logic, or no logic at all, things like that. So basically he claimed scum. So I couldn't elect koshi cuz he was being a scummy bitch I couldn't elect sol cuz he was being a bitch I couldn't elect myself cuz koshi and sol were running around like emotional teenage girls. So I had to elect the lurker that's prolly not even going to use the PM ability cuz afk, just so we get one at all. My house is full of scum and baddies. I want to switch houses. LOL. Well, this post from you is definitely more than I got out of you in all your posts *combined* when you were scum last time. So I'm pretty sure you're town and telling the truth. Chrom seems pretty null from that. Both s0Lstice and Koshi look scummy. I'm more concerned about s0Lstice than Koshi, since Koshi is new (although he fooled me well last game) and s0Lstice should be able to see that you're a good choice for Lord - at least better than Chrom or Koshi (or probably himself, even if he was town). Finally, he doesn't hedge. He just gives a solid town read openly to the thread. And Dandel has typed out a long summary of the PM conversation he's had and that's town confirming? + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Dandel you can come join my house, np. Koshi played pretty weirdly as town in Titanic so I wouldn't quite say he claimed scum. That said, he did say he was trolling to see how far he could take it without taking heat (and he was town, sigh. On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO. I hate to come back to this subject, but Xatalos could you explain how hiding house member lists slows scumhunting? Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses. Grackaroni's list didn't do anything. Koshi's member list itself didn't do anything, either. The discussion caused by talking about the PMs did something. The member list was inconsequential to that. And you know what else helps with scum hunting? Actually giving scum reads and real reasoning for those scum reads. I don't think Xatalos "knowing" lords have 1KP is alignment telling at all and don't think it was a scumslip. + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 02:18 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, why would Clarity "throw stupid stuff" as scum? Just to cause confusion or something? Is that plausible? People make stupid decisions as town and as scum. And it's really, really setting my scum detector off seeing you in here with these three rapid fire questions when you know how he has to respond. Answer to question 1: He wouldn't intentionally do so, or he might intentionally do so. It's WIFOM. Question 2: If he's doing it intentionally then yes, to cause confusion or further some other agenda, obviously. Question 3: Anything is plausible, this is mafia. You know this, you know the answers to the questions you're asking. Xatalos is scum. I don't mind Grackaroni coming in and posting without reading the thread, simple mistake. My problem is that he posts the identity of people without asking his house and without reading the thread. That's something major and anyone should know that. It's a WIFOM, though. Did he make a stupid mistake as town, or is he scum trying to appear as having made a stupid mistake. Wash. I DO have a problem with him coming in and saying + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything? Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Why out yourself as the "black sheep"? Iamp didn't feel the need to out you. Why are you cutting off speculation like that? Why are you giving scum that information? Is it because you've already told scum Iamp views you as the black sheep and you no longer care about hiding information? That's the scumtell I'm getting from Grackaroni. I see someone who doesn't care about the protection of information because all the information he has is already being forwarded to his scumbuddies. And why, WHY are you giving out town reads? Do you know Gumshoe is town and are trying to curry favor with him? Xatalos is annoying so town and tunneling two out of three people in his house is town and effort makes him town because scum don't actually try or something. What? I've seen nothing actually useful come out of Grack's mouth. I wouldn't lynch or shoot Grackaroni over someone like Xatalos, Dandel Ion, or Oats, but I think he needs to do something. Right now I have a scum read on him, and it's going to stay that way as long as he doesn't post anything of use. s0lstice hasn't posted anything. Can't really judge anything. Doesn't look particularly good for him, though. I'm going to reserve judgement on Clarity for the time being to see how this plays out. It's clear he thinks REDACTED will have his back. Plenty of lurkers, but the game has just started. Please post your opinions on other people in the thread and tell me what you think about my four scum reads (but really discuss my top 3 of Dandel Ion, Xatalos, and Oats)
LOL. The fact that you have DI as scum (when he's playing his obvious town meta) and me as scum (when I'm playing my town meta, compare to my earlier games - I don't discuss freely or share random thoughts as scum)... I'm having a hard time taking the rest of your post seriously.
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On August 09 2013 03:28 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:20 Xatalos wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Hmmm..... Clarity, why did you happily pass along snb's role name if you thought that "scum can bluesnipe rolenames"? This chain of events just seems stupid. As I've said, I thought snb told me he was gonna tell everyone. I don't see any actual scum motivation in forwarding the role name, so I don't think you even have a reason to lie about this. Definitely not lynchworthy stuff. What was your basis for hiding Oatsmaster's identity, by the way? Or at least aiding in hiding it? It feels very stupid to argue something for so long with incomplete information.
No real reasoning other than I don't see the point. I don't think Oats' townread on me is justified so it wouldn't change the discussion. Oats tends to be around at this time anyway so why not wait for him.
@Risen
I strongly disagree on Dandel. Yes he kind of messed up the thread but he put himself in the spotlight and put strong pressure on Koshi.
Your case on Xatalos seems compelling but it relies on Xatalos being a good mafia player. I think I recognize the name but haven't been in games with him. That said I see town ask questions to which there is only one answer (or the answer is useless) all the time.
Look at oats his recent post about his pm interaction with me and tell me if that changes your mind about him at all please.
I think you should also look at Oats' filter in the recently played "Titanic Mafia" cause he does this as town.
Grack's "Black Sheep" comment you're misinterpreting I think. It refers to all the other lords being vets and him not being a vet. I haven't really read in to him much so don't have much of an opinion on him.
All in all, your post is huge and has some valid points but you're stretching some stuff and I don't see the reason to post FOUR scumreads, instead of one concise case.
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i disagree with almost everything you said risen
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"Grackaroni's list didn't do anything. Koshi's member list itself didn't do anything, either. The discussion caused by talking about the PMs did something. The member list was inconsequential to that."
That's just... really wrong. There would have been no discussion in the first place without knowing which players the PM discussions even implicated.
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On August 09 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:
WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. Like wat? You know something about s0l the rest of us don't? You trying to win the heart of town s0l as his defender? Or do you know he's scum and are trying to shift from him... either way it's a bad look. Dandel Ion is scum.
How is he "destroying the thread"?
How is he trying to "win the heart" of Sol after everyone just said that they were arguing all of N0?
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1) I bring up sol as scum
2) That somehow means I'm defending sol
3) apparantly sol is town even tho he's never heard a word from sol himself (not in the thread at least)
4) CONNECTION CASES
Risen, brother, you are not town are you?
Good I didn't think so
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Xatalos, what do you think of Grack now? He claimed you were tunneling him on N0.
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On August 09 2013 03:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
1) I bring up sol as scum
2) That somehow means I'm defending sol
3) apparantly sol is town even tho he's never heard a word from sol himself (not in the thread at least)
4) CONNECTION CASES
Risen, brother, you are not town are you?
Good I didn't think so
very try hard for scum no?
Its just was full of stupid
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