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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:03 GMT
#2621
OK, so I have read the *whole* game.. I know, epic task in <12hrs.

Haven't been updated with Nk outcome. Hopefully I'm right.

I was going to spoiler but then decided not to.

Oatsmaster
Originally read as firm town. Cred has dropped as the game progressed. In particular when he started giving a town read to yamato post red-check. I cant understand why a scum oatsmaster would do this; BUT.. I cant understand why town oats would do this either, especially considering his early grievances with yamato77 play. I will go with null. If he can satisfactorily explain his position, then leaning town.

Dandle ion
Originally read as firm town. Once Ace joined the game, his tone/attitude changed a lot from cocky to submissive. Hard to say whether the lurking was based on IRL issues //Ace//scum.

Will stick with a leaning town read.

Onegu
Was sceptical of him at first as we was quite open with me from the get-go. But our first comparison of reads was similar and for the same reasons so I like his mindset. I think he just lacks confidence currently, hence needs to put more balls in the thread. I hope that him being lord this cycle will allow him to grow more presence. Firm Town.

Sharrant
Lynched yamato. Of course I would have liked more activity from him but you get that. I also liked his post on Kushmaster. I disagree with people saying it was poorly timed. Kush was being attacked at the time. Prob worth re-reading who was slamming into him for that. One thing I don’t like about Sharrant, is that I am used to seeing *massive* walls of text from him that are hard to read. Perhaps time is a contributor to this not occurring. Because of that will relegate from firm town to leaning town.

Iamperfection
Im not sure why some are saying hes holding to his town meta. He feels forced to me. He also pounces on opportunities to call “bad play” scummy etc; but tries to get others to be public about initiating actions behind the scenes. Town confidence is pushing both publically and pm-land. Firm scum.

Xatalos
Started off well. Seems to be a good mediator. Also handled the RB fake claim quite well. Towards end of D2, started to go off the rails a touch, but this has been commented in the thread. Firm Town.

Oberyn
Seems to be more active in PM land than thread. I like him; but don’t know why. Seems to have good vision as well. Firm town.

S0lstice
Started off poorly in my opinion but perhaps based on emotions of lord vote. However, after his first read post became town for me. His reads were 100% opposite to me which I find too polarising for scum. They normally like to nominate at least one person in a big list post. Having said that, he did nominate yamato as scum IIRC. Need more from him over Day3. Specifically, thoughts around iamperfection. Null.

Vivax
I liked his first post on Koshi a lot. As at the time I had a scum read on Koshi. Im stuck on Vivax. Since then, I don’t particularly like his posts HOWEVER, I do know for fact he has been very busy outside the game. Its more, Im not sure why he is posting. He seems to be trying to understand the target more; but is not there to follow up. So it becomes pointless, as he does not call them scum either. Again, I want to see more from Vivax regarding iamperfection Day3. Null

Chromatically
Someone else said it perfectly. “I know Chromatically is posting, but I cant remember what he is saying”.. agree in full. Massive blender.. latest contributions are purely targeting lurkers.. LOL.. this guy is scum for sure.

Clarity_nl
Like him a lot.. I think he had a rough start, in fact I thought his first post was scummy. Since then, maybe around page 40; he has shown publically the best mindset I think. Is quite open to possibilities and is not haste in putting down people. Firm Town.

Gumshoe
Yamato77

Grackaroni
Tough one.. Some things he has done are just so ridiculous you would think only a townie would be so careless. I cant help buy feel this guy is lynchbait, but cant peg why. Prob the whole ‘too scum to be scum’ which he tried to sell when giving his meta. Seemed plausible. Null. I would like to have a better understanding why iamperfection dropped this whole blacksheep earlyu-game stuff on Grack. I cant remember if the reasoning was well detailed.

Raynpelikoneet
Has been bugging me all game. Yet several have a strong town read on him. Some due to PMs which I don’t have access to. Im conflicted. Early game is terrible I think; Mid Day2, is relatively pro-town which balances out. Im not experienced with Rayn, but in Sicilian I felt he was town instantly, and not just because of the pardoner claim. Im not getting that vibe at all; early game he was displayed a lot of “forced aggression” and nitpicking. I think he is scum; but would pick him off last and he is the one I am the least confident about.

FirmTofu

Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum.

Johnywup
Seems to be lynchbait.  Been pretty noobish all game. I think ppl jumped over him way too fast for the 3P thing. Since when do 3p accidentally claim; especially first post in. If anything, this is a weak town heuristic. It is often town who love to setup speculate in this type of manner. Leaning town.

Mocsta
Town.

Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.

Ace

Acrofales
Flavour is a bitch to read him him; but hes been consistent and breaks out of it when required. This speaks heavily of town.
Another town point is, I feel early game he was severely wrong but still had a presence. This reminds me a bit of ??Not Another Dual Mafia??
I have also played with scum Acro, and know he doesn’t have a problem posting in the thread for filler; and trying to drive home points.
Its also hard to get a read on Acro because he is so established in the PM land; that we don’t get full context of his position.
Personally I would say one of Rayn/Acro is scum. I would lean with Rayn. So will give Acro: Null to leaning town.

Kushm4sta
Lynch bait for shizzle. Sharrent hit the nail on the head. However, sharrant has benefit on PMs; we only get his handful of posts. Based on the quality im leaning towards town (lol)
I hope kush care factor kicks in soon though; otherwise I would consider policy lynching him late game due to “scum coaching”.

Risen
Like Iamperfection this guy pounces on opportunities to belittle ppl by calling out bad play. Risen also delurks to do this in such an uncouth manner. Hes in effect promoting such an antitown atmosphere. His reads are completely shite; but I wont call him scum for that. Its mainly the atmosphere he is providing *AND* the timing of his contributions.

Another thing to note is that Risen is an TL Mafia Award holder for best scum play. So I would imagine that faking aggression is not difficiult for him if this is his normal style of play.

==================

In short: Scummish reads (firm at top, soft at bottom)

Firm
Iamperfection
Chromatically
Risen

Soft
Raynpelikoneet or Acrofales
Koshi
Vivax
mmm got iamp wrong.. damn..

Here's my reads

A
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 14 2013 05:03 GMT
#2622
go town
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:05 GMT
#2623
So oats.. certainly that was a bluesnipe
So... Thread slip
House pm slip
Or lord pm slip?
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 14 2013 05:07 GMT
#2624
No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved.
ATOBTTR
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:09 GMT
#2625
Lords.

Tyrell and baratheon are the only full houses left.
I suggest we purge there. That way we help maintain lord full house no longevity.

Chromatically from baratheon is my choice. But I am a mere peasant.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 14 2013 05:11 GMT
#2626
So I was roleblocked last night.
Try TL Mafia!!!
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 14 2013 05:11 GMT
#2627
I'm off to bed.

Vivax, you had better be dazzling today.
ATOBTTR
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:11 GMT
#2628
On August 14 2013 14:07 s0Lstice wrote:
No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved.

If that's the case. He's definitely worth a filter dive!!!

A town oats is only helpful because u know he is town. He's not known for being a town driving force.

So I eagerly await what u find...cos I don't see a shot for nothing.

Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
August 14 2013 05:13 GMT
#2629
That was quite the active night. Easy lynch today. They would have killed me if I was wrong.

##vote: Sharrant
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 14 2013 05:15 GMT
#2630
On August 14 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 14:07 s0Lstice wrote:
No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved.

If that's the case. He's definitely worth a filter dive!!!

A town oats is only helpful because u know he is town. He's not known for being a town driving force.

So I eagerly await what u find...cos I don't see a shot for nothing.



Stop filling the thread with dumb.
ATOBTTR
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:16 GMT
#2631
Lol.. risen preemptive warfare I see.

Give me your read on chromatically.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:18 GMT
#2632
On August 14 2013 14:15 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote:
On August 14 2013 14:07 s0Lstice wrote:
No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved.

If that's the case. He's definitely worth a filter dive!!!

A town oats is only helpful because u know he is town. He's not known for being a town driving force.

So I eagerly await what u find...cos I don't see a shot for nothing.



Stop filling the thread with dumb.

Why r u trying to brush this away..

Last time I checked a townie. Regardless of lord or not tries to solve the game.

Why r u actively promoting an anti town atmosphere..
U have spewed u a claim..unsubstantiated might I add.

I am merely asking for proof. A request any townie worth their salt should be able to provide.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 14 2013 05:19 GMT
#2633
On August 14 2013 14:13 Risen wrote:
That was quite the active night. Easy lynch today. They would have killed me if I was wrong.

##vote: Sharrant


Lol they are gonna shoot you over finishing off the guys they hit night 1? You can't be serious.
ATOBTTR
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:22 GMT
#2634
Hymn that actually makes sense solstice. I didn't think of that.

Will drop the oats enquiry then.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 14 2013 05:27 GMT
#2635
On August 14 2013 14:13 Risen wrote:
That was quite the active night. Easy lynch today. They would have killed me if I was wrong.

##vote: Sharrant

wtf?
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 14 2013 05:28 GMT
#2636
Don't get me wrong mocsta, I'm overjoyed that you actually read the entire thread when before you said you wouldn't. Town points.

For real though bed.

To reiterate, vivax is interest #1 now. Show me what you got.
ATOBTTR
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 14 2013 05:33 GMT
#2637
It makes sense that 3 died last night, tbh. Only gum died on n1 so they probably sent KP to multiple targets to purge on n2.

also, sharrant said he'd be less active the first 1/4th or 1/2 of this day but that he'd be back in full force tomorrow, I believe. I'm pretty freaking sure both Acro and Sharrant are town. I'm pretty freaking sure kushm4sta is scum.

mocsta, bravo for reading the thread in 12 hours, thats beastly.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
August 14 2013 05:34 GMT
#2638
gg gl
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:42 GMT
#2639
Johnny. Whilst I disagree on kush I won't fight u about it. He's just one of those guys everyone gets burned by eventually.

What I will query instead is this.

There's more than 2 scum in the game. Please provide an alternative to kush that we can discuss.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 14 2013 05:53 GMT
#2640
Funny how risen disappears once queried
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