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On August 13 2013 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
did you read what Risen wrote? Because i agree with it.
And how would roleblocking Sharrant incriminate Acro? It´s all WIFOM.
Can you tell me how Xatalos' thought process over Acro/me/Sharrant is a townie one throughout D2?
Yea I dunno man, if I told one person and one person only that I was a cop, and then something went awry, I'm probably gonna be in the thread screaming for that guys head.
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1-5 EDT risen
5-9 EDT oats
9-13 EDT chrom
13-17 EDT aco
17-21 EDT iamp
21-1 EDT oberyn
let me know if thats not good
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On August 13 2013 11:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sup
I'm replacing someone in house martell
Haven't read the game and at 130pages not sure I will
Can someone post a quick recap pls.
From the quick snippet I seen. Seems to be some issues with role block claims. why shouldnt we shoot you?
U can if u want to. But I start posting pictures of cute kittens and u will let me off the hook.
I dont have time to read 130pages. I'm admitting that outright
I do have time to read the last 20or so pages and the game from
here on out.
Jeez.. if u so up to date. A recap should be easy to spit out I woulda thought.
Anyways. How the fuck does this question Devine my alignment?
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On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote:
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirbyshut.mato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.
on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.
also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.
Is this guy new or feigning a contribution?
I don't even need to have read the game to know some of this is wrong and not alignment indicative shit
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Vote Count
yamato77 (6) Acrofales, Chromatically, iamperfection, Oberyn, Oatsmaster, Risen
not voting (0)
yamato77 is set to be lynched. Deadline is in at 05:00 GMT (+00:00).
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On August 13 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On August 13 2013 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
wtf is it with people hunting town and not hunting scum?
It´s not the town things they du but the scummy things. Do you have any opinion on what Xatalos said about me or not? well i think your town too so i dont really think much about it at all. Well maybe you should start. Seriously, part of Acrofales' case is this: Acro: "Your interactions with Grack...." Me: "Tell me where i ever talk you about Grack" Acro: "You didn't" Me: "Then why do you say this (quote)" Arco: "There was no point to be made. He wasn't protesting his innocence. He wasn't catching me out on something that could come from a Blackfyre, he was just being pedantic. While not necessarily indicative of being a Blackfyre, there is clearly no loyalist motive for being so pedantic and sidetracking the conversation, so he had perked my interest." WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT? I am calling the dude out lying and he is trying to use it against me in his case? And Xatalos is all "yeha dude that's some good shit on rayn, go on, let's vig him!" Nothing sounds bullshit to you here iamp?
Walk me through this: you caught me out the lie where:
You asked me about my opinion on Grackaroni
I told you I had no idea about Grackaroni except what you said had happened in private
This was clearly a mistake, because you had never said anything about talking to Grack in private, and are in a different corner of the realm and thus could not possibly have been in private contact with him.
This "lie" was so humongous that after I admit the mistake and say that I was confused, you felt the need to continue hammering it in for at least 2 posts.
What were you attempting to accomplish? Why even bother? Where was the Blackfyre motivation behind this "lie" that you had caught me out in? Or were you just screwing around for no apparent reason?
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I'm on my phone, so I hope you all appreciate this even more.
@iamp
I have a special task for you. In the likely event that I do not survive the night, I must ask you to call any town member who aimed kp at me a jib jub. I have the highest respect for your ability to call people names, and that is why I come straight to you with this request.
@risen
Your paranoia is unwarranted and kind of hilarious. This seems like something you could get worked up about as town though. However my highlight of your case is easily (paraphrasing here): "my first reason for wanting to lynch sharrant is the same reasoning I had for lynching that townie. But this time it's right!"
If you want to believe I'm mafia, you have to
A) assume I started putting pressure on my scum buddy in post number one.
B) assume kush is mafia and I defended him to start the game. Or:
B) 2. Assume that I (as mafia) hard defended an easy mislynch of kush who had basically just thrown away a game that town had won and that I wouldn't want to lynch him on that reason alone.
C) assume I continued to bring up yamato twice when un pressured.
D) fake claim a cop check on yamato
E) tried to not tell the thread about the cop check.
F) decided not to take the time to gain town cred by waving my dick in his face when he came back to the thread.
I think that's all there is to say about that, unless someone has some questions
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On August 13 2013 10:08 kushm4sta wrote:
im not trying to piss you off rayne but sharrant and acro are town because of PMs.
Why does dandel think acro is scum? were there ever any reasons backing that up or just feels?
Wait what? You just told me you think Sharrant is Blackfyre. What the hell?
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On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos. i dont know perhaps you should ask them, acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.
Honestly, I didn't. I was rather drunk and the lynch was aimed at a scummy lurker I had pegged as a scummy lurker. Turns out I was wrong. Mea culpa. But at the time I was happy with throwing FT to the angry townsfolk of King's Landing, but was in no state to reevaluate anything and was just around for the ride.
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On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing.
Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn
rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread
rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is
So how does rayn come out scummy from this?
Acro can you explain this?
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On August 13 2013 11:53 s0Lstice wrote:and ps, something that bothers me in particular about Acro is how he treated Oats Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 04:07 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.
So events happened like this.
I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? Yes because obviously with that exchange between me and oats, the possibility that we're both scum somehow still remains? But yeah, whether I am town or scum I'd have reacted the same way, most likely. That said, do you think Oats as scum pushes me really hard for my rolename (he underemphasized this, it was like 5 pms each of him asking me rolename and me asking "why?") and then when I refuse to give it he makes up a role like that? Seems a bit farfetched for scum just to "dick around" Where do I say you're both Blackfyre pretenders? The exchange between you and Oats seems like intentional bad play by Oats, and his subsequent behaviour in this public hall has been to intentionally obscure information that would have been far more relevant at the time than his derpfest bickering with Yamato. Why would a loyal citizen intentionally derail the discussion, rather than presenting an interesting topic for discussion? I exaggerated with the "whole house" bit, but I have some serious suspicions of Oatsmaster and Strongandbig. His message here is pretty clear. Serious suspicion of Oats. He later qualifies this by saying that no in fact Oats is not scum, he just wanted to see more. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 22:03 Acrofales wrote:On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. In case my earlier discourse was unclear, Ser Oatsmaster has clearly traveled in the Reach and caught onto my way of speaking immediately. Regarding the content: the young Tofu seems to think that I was afraid of calling Ser Oatsmaster a Blackfyre. Rest assured that if I had thought that, I would have called him a Blackfyre then and there. At the time, all I wanted was to hear more from him, and I said so. Here is the more that Oats gave him in between those two thread presences: + Show Spoiler +On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. Ok so I was looking through johnnywup's filter and I saw this Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy. And its really weird that his defence is 'none of my housemates think it was scummy'. Shows an attitude of caring about his appearance. Not that he was wrong about the 3p or whatever but that his suggestion did not look scummy to other people. Weird mindset. Thoughts? On August 09 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote:
he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out. Why is it worth pointing out? Why didnt you explain why its not scummy to think that there is a 3p On August 09 2013 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 15:19 johnnywup wrote:
I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you?
It's scummy to think there's a 3p? It bothers me that your defence is 'these guys think its not scummy' On August 09 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum? yes On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
So which lurker do you want to die Xata? On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that kush will show his alignment either way.
So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right?
Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree. After this he returns, but nothing on Oats. We would be lead to believe that this is because Oats has satisfied whatever was bothering Acro about him. What in those quotes would set his suspicions to rest? Oats activity has actually dropped as the game has gone on, which would presumably ring some bells for Acro. More, in those quotes, Oats attacked johnnywup primarily. Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 06:15 Acrofales wrote:
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In my humble opinion, johnnywup is the most obvious lynchbait in the thread Thats from his case on Rayn. One of his points is that Rayn attacked johnnywup. Again, we are at the mercy of PMs here, so I dunno what Acro was doing in regards to Oats in PM land. I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance.
You quote (early) D1 stuff. On D1 I was clearly not in contact with Ser Oats, because Lord Strongandbig was lord of Winterfell. In D2 I have exchanged 1 PM with Ser Oats, in which I called him scum and he told me to fuck off. It was not very productive.
The bit in the case against Rayn is also not for him just attacking lynch bait. It's that he calls lynchbait scum and then just forgets about it.
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On August 13 2013 12:36 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing.
Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn
rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread
rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is
So how does rayn come out scummy from this?
Acro can you explain this?
I have, about a million times. I see no reason to keep posting about this. Tell me what exactly you don't understand about it. Rayn clearly wasn't talking about changing his opinion about the plan. He was talking about changing his opinion about me.
I never needed, nor wanted, Rayn's support for the plan, so couldn't give half a fuck whether he would reconsider the plan, and that was definitely not what the conversation was about. He said he would reconsider his stance on me in exchange for information about the plan.
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On August 13 2013 12:50 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 12:36 Chromatically wrote:On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing.
Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn
rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread
rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is
So how does rayn come out scummy from this?
Acro can you explain this? I have, about a million times. I see no reason to keep posting about this. Tell me what exactly you don't understand about it. Rayn clearly wasn't talking about changing his opinion about the plan. He was talking about changing his opinion about me. I never needed, nor wanted, Rayn's support for the plan, so couldn't give half a fuck whether he would reconsider the plan, and that was definitely not what the conversation was about. He said he would reconsider his stance on me in exchange for information about the plan.
My understanding is that rayn disagreed with your idea to use the HP check N1, and called it "anti-town". This is the sentiment that he said he would reconsider if he got more information. Correct?
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you've satisfied me Acro
I think you're crazy, but I believe that you believe that rayn and oats are scum
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On August 13 2013 12:59 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 12:50 Acrofales wrote:On August 13 2013 12:36 Chromatically wrote:On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote:
I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing.
Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn
rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread
rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is
So how does rayn come out scummy from this?
Acro can you explain this? I have, about a million times. I see no reason to keep posting about this. Tell me what exactly you don't understand about it. Rayn clearly wasn't talking about changing his opinion about the plan. He was talking about changing his opinion about me. I never needed, nor wanted, Rayn's support for the plan, so couldn't give half a fuck whether he would reconsider the plan, and that was definitely not what the conversation was about. He said he would reconsider his stance on me in exchange for information about the plan. My understanding is that rayn disagreed with your idea to use the HP check N1, and called it "anti-town". This is the sentiment that he said he would reconsider if he got more information. Correct?
I interpreted it as "if you tell me the info, I will drop my suspicions of you".
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Hmm okay, we can discuss it tomorrow.
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@rayne: I rarely PM people a lot in PM games since I want to be transparent in the thread. Also I dont have any PMs from you anyway to respond to. I already told you I took your information when I replaced in to catch up.
@Risen: I may have missed it but it seems you went off track. Can you post your in deoth read against Rayne or explain why you changed focus?
@all: As for the Sharrant being Scum with a fake check/bus on yamato - I dont think its concrete at the moment. The thing that worries me is that he claimed 1 shot Cop which means something is up that I dont think needs much thinking to figure out if he is Town. There would have to be even more information roles around or House Powers (I still dont know much about these) would have to be strong to get us info somehow. Unless we get some more information about roles now that we have admitted double fake claims I think that is a dead end path.
@Vivax: Where you at bro?
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On August 13 2013 05:40 Risen wrote:
Okie dokie big post incoming. I thought it would be similar to my last post, but everything I have pales in comparison to my case against Sharrant and, by a REAL connection, Acro.
The whole thing with rayne was an attempt at getting the thread to react. Everyone reacted, and I was going to use those reactions in my cases, but then I stumbled upon this. So I'm sorry for wasting people's time.
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who are we shooting and can it be Ace?
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