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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 13 2013 02:04 GMT
#2561
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:07 GMT
#2562
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.

ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town?
table for two on a tv tray
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 13 2013 02:08 GMT
#2563
@iamp
why are you calling acro scum? u have reasons?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 13 2013 02:08 GMT
#2564
like i dont really get what were talking about here rayn
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 13 2013 02:08 GMT
#2565
On August 13 2013 11:08 kushm4sta wrote:
@iamp
why are you calling acro scum? u have reasons?

why kush way
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
August 13 2013 02:09 GMT
#2566
On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.

ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town?

If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop?
Is that what you're getting at?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:10 GMT
#2567
On August 13 2013 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
like i dont really get what were talking about here rayn

Explain why would ANYONE think Sharrant is town and Acro is scum after yamato check has been outed?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:11 GMT
#2568
On August 13 2013 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.

ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town?

If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop?
Is that what you're getting at?

*ding ding* , or roleblocked.
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DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 02:20:06
August 13 2013 02:17 GMT
#2569
jrkirby is replaced by Mocsta. No more replacements after the start of D3.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 13 2013 02:19 GMT
#2570
On August 13 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.

ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town?

If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop?
Is that what you're getting at?

*ding ding* , or roleblocked.


...until the check was revealed, wasn't acro the only person sharrant told?
ATOBTTR
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:22 GMT
#2571
On August 13 2013 11:19 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 11:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:09 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote:
On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2?
Especially Xatalos.

i dont know perhaps you should ask them,

acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it.

ehh.. You do not see the inconsistency in Acro being scum and Sharrant town?

If Acro was scum and Sharrant was town than scum would have shot Sharrant since they know he's a cop?
Is that what you're getting at?

*ding ding* , or roleblocked.


...until the check was revealed, wasn't acro the only person sharrant told?

so? Xatalos was suspicious of him after that. And Sharrant was town.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 13 2013 02:27 GMT
#2572
it would be dangerous for a scum acro to act on sharrant in any way as it could incriminate him.

sharrant tells acro he is cop->tells only him->is roleblocked
sharrant tells acro he is cop->tells only him->is hit but somehow survives, and the drop in hp is revealed later with an hp check

seems pretty risky for acro

this doesn't preclude acro from being scum, just they may have decided to go ahead and let the check go through.
ATOBTTR
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:29 GMT
#2573
did you read what Risen wrote? Because i agree with it.
And how would roleblocking Sharrant incriminate Acro? It´s all WIFOM.

Can you tell me how Xatalos' thought process over Acro/me/Sharrant is a townie one throughout D2?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 13 2013 02:31 GMT
#2574
whatever, you´ll hear more about this in D3.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
August 13 2013 02:38 GMT
#2575
Sup
I'm replacing someone in house martell
Haven't read the game and at 130pages not sure I will
Can someone post a quick recap pls.

From the quick snippet I seen. Seems to be some issues with role block claims.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 13 2013 02:40 GMT
#2576
TIL reading the thread is an optional activity
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
August 13 2013 02:46 GMT
#2577
On August 13 2013 11:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sup
I'm replacing someone in house martell
Haven't read the game and at 130pages not sure I will
Can someone post a quick recap pls.

From the quick snippet I seen. Seems to be some issues with role block claims.

why shouldnt we shoot you?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
August 13 2013 02:46 GMT
#2578
i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirby, yamato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum.

on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum.

also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
August 13 2013 02:48 GMT
#2579
yo can someone post a for mocsta recap or all the claims and shit that happened... just the important stuff. I could benefit from this too
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 13 2013 02:53 GMT
#2580
and ps, something that bothers me in particular about Acro is how he treated Oats

On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.

So events happened like this.

I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys?

Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy?

Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around.

While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum?


On August 09 2013 04:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity.

So events happened like this.

I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever.
Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys?

Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy?

Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around.

While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum?


Yes because obviously with that exchange between me and oats, the possibility that we're both scum somehow still remains?
But yeah, whether I am town or scum I'd have reacted the same way, most likely.
That said, do you think Oats as scum pushes me really hard for my rolename (he underemphasized this, it was like 5 pms each of him asking me rolename and me asking "why?") and then when I refuse to give it he makes up a role like that?

Seems a bit farfetched for scum just to "dick around"


Where do I say you're both Blackfyre pretenders? The exchange between you and Oats seems like intentional bad play by Oats, and his subsequent behaviour in this public hall has been to intentionally obscure information that would have been far more relevant at the time than his derpfest bickering with Yamato. Why would a loyal citizen intentionally derail the discussion, rather than presenting an interesting topic for discussion?

I exaggerated with the "whole house" bit, but I have some serious suspicions of Oatsmaster and Strongandbig.


His message here is pretty clear. Serious suspicion of Oats. He later qualifies this by saying that no in fact Oats is not scum, he just wanted to see more.

On August 09 2013 22:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative.

So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative?

Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno.


In case my earlier discourse was unclear, Ser Oatsmaster has clearly traveled in the Reach and caught onto my way of speaking immediately.

Regarding the content: the young Tofu seems to think that I was afraid of calling Ser Oatsmaster a Blackfyre. Rest assured that if I had thought that, I would have called him a Blackfyre then and there. At the time, all I wanted was to hear more from him, and I said so.


Here is the more that Oats gave him in between those two thread presences:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative.

On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative.

So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative?

Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno.

Ok so I was looking through johnnywup's filter and I saw this
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 05:57 johnnywup wrote:
i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy.

And its really weird that his defence is 'none of my housemates think it was scummy'. Shows an attitude of caring about his appearance. Not that he was wrong about the 3p or whatever but that his suggestion did not look scummy to other people. Weird mindset. Thoughts?

On August 09 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote:
he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out.

Why is it worth pointing out?

Why didnt you explain why its not scummy to think that there is a 3p

On August 09 2013 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 15:19 johnnywup wrote:
I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you?

It's scummy to think there's a 3p?

It bothers me that your defence is 'these guys think its not scummy'

On August 09 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 15:44 johnnywup wrote:
it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum?

yes

On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
So which lurker do you want to die Xata?

On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that kush will show his alignment either way.

So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right?
Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree.


After this he returns, but nothing on Oats. We would be lead to believe that this is because Oats has satisfied whatever was bothering Acro about him. What in those quotes would set his suspicions to rest? Oats activity has actually dropped as the game has gone on, which would presumably ring some bells for Acro. More, in those quotes, Oats attacked johnnywup primarily.

On August 13 2013 06:15 Acrofales wrote:
--snip
In my humble opinion, johnnywup is the most obvious lynchbait in the thread


Thats from his case on Rayn. One of his points is that Rayn attacked johnnywup.

Again, we are at the mercy of PMs here, so I dunno what Acro was doing in regards to Oats in PM land. I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance.
ATOBTTR
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