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On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu?
lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted.
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On August 12 2013 22:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post? I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities. I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer. What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed.
I disagree. Me and xata came to the conclusion that unless the jailkeeper claim came from someone already thought to be town, we would end up lynching him. The way oberyn refused to give the 2nd name made it plausible for it to be a fakeclaim.
I'd take the gamble as scum.
Anyway, if we go with your conclusion, then our lynchpool tomorrow would look like this:
snb
vivax
onegu
oberyn
+ whoever didn't post between the fakeclaim and the confession of said fakeclaim (surely its more people than just snb and vivax?)
That said, vivax spent a lot of time with me in pms n1 trying to convince me yamato is scum, so I think he's town.
Oberyn, if scum, has played an amazing scumgame. Look at my interaction with him d1. So I think he's town
That leaves onegu and snb, and I'm okay with that at this point, even if we came to the list with a conclusion I disagree with.
Refreshing before I post: jkirby and koshi didn't post in that window according to onegu. I don't really like a koshi lynch but jkirby is definitely and option too.
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On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time.
You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening.
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Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed.
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On August 12 2013 22:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening.
Ok just going off the top of my head.
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Onegu why are you lying? Or Clarity?
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What do you mean lieing, I didnt actually check who posted just didnt remember koshi posting.
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On August 12 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Onegu why are you lying? Or Clarity?
\Because he's scum and he gains a lot by lying about this because surely no one would doublecheck him or have a better memory.
I just saw his post and assumed it was true. Doesn't change anything anyway I don't really wanna lynch koshi.
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On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time.
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On August 12 2013 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:09 Vivax wrote:Pretty sure you were lord when Grackaroni wrote the post Onegu is quoting here. It was D1. + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player. He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him. Xatalos has not been a lord once this game...
My bad, I thought Oberyn bolded the lords in his houses list lol. It was iamp.
Basically, same question for iamp. Grackaroni himself didn't answer that question yet, how did he get informed of the exchange in PMs Onegu was having (to the point of saying he talked with a specific dude).
If the lords didn't tell him, then he wasn't supposed to know that, and hence is scum.
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On August 12 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed.
Well, when people make weird claims I am pretty good at calling them out on it, but this one-two went right by me. I briefly considered the possibility with both being a Martell, but was quick to conclude it was just a coincidence. Watching Xatalos is not very farfetched, and the clame timing makes sense as well: he watched someone get locked up at home. Not as damning as watching a kill happen, but has a good chance of flushing out Blackfyres.
So the claim made sense.
A Blackfyre reaching this conclusion and deciding to gamble his life on Oberyn not knowing his name seems really unlikely. I don't see how you can think otherwise.
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On August 12 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:09 Vivax wrote:Pretty sure you were lord when Grackaroni wrote the post Onegu is quoting here. It was D1. + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player. He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him. Xatalos has not been a lord once this game... My bad, I thought Oberyn bolded the lords in his houses list lol. It was iamp. Basically, same question for iamp. Grackaroni himself didn't answer that question yet, how did he get informed of the exchange in PMs Onegu was having (to the point of saying he talked with a specific dude). If the lords didn't tell him, then he wasn't supposed to know that, and hence is scum.
I dont recall any specific pms regarding jkirby i will check
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On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu? lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted.
You can only claim stupid or scum tbh.
What vigi was ever going to shoot gumshoe? herpderp I better us my vigi shot on a 1 hp lurker (or at least very low) Like how is that even the most plausible reason why gum died???? Most likely is that one in your House is scum or you are scum. Like 99% scum killed gumshoe, 1% a retarded vigi.
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Onegu you asked me about my read on SnB.
I am a bit puzzled. All i say is "i think SnB is scum" and you move on to completely different matters. Why is that? Did my answer please you enough?
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On August 12 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu? lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted. You can only claim stupid or scum tbh. What vigi was ever going to shoot gumshoe? herpderp I better us my vigi shot on a 1 hp lurker (or at least very low) Like how is that even the most plausible reason why gum died???? Most likely is that one in your House is scum or you are scum. Like 99% scum killed gumshoe, 1% a retarded vigi.
listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp
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I'm so tired of fakeclaims.... it happens like every game now.
Lynch the fake claimers so we won't have to deal with this shit in future games IMO>>>>>>>>>
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On August 12 2013 22:44 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed. Well, when people make weird claims I am pretty good at calling them out on it, but this one-two went right by me. I briefly considered the possibility with both being a Martell, but was quick to conclude it was just a coincidence. Watching Xatalos is not very farfetched, and the clame timing makes sense as well: he watched someone get locked up at home. Not as damning as watching a kill happen, but has a good chance of flushing out Blackfyres. So the claim made sense. A Blackfyre reaching this conclusion and deciding to gamble his life on Oberyn not knowing his name seems really unlikely. I don't see how you can think otherwise.
As I said I'm willing to go with it for now. The lynchpool it produces is cool by me.
Since oberyn didn't reveal names a fakeclaim was my first thought.
Then again I didn't consider that if onegu wasn't part of it (and I thought he wasn't) that a town oberyn would be revealing a blue role.
So yeah, maybe with some more thought into it your conclusion makes more sense.
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I was waiting for him to come back. But for the time being I was ok with just you saying he was scum, that is all I asked.
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On August 12 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote:On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote:On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu? lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted. You can only claim stupid or scum tbh. What vigi was ever going to shoot gumshoe? herpderp I better us my vigi shot on a 1 hp lurker (or at least very low) Like how is that even the most plausible reason why gum died???? Most likely is that one in your House is scum or you are scum. Like 99% scum killed gumshoe, 1% a retarded vigi. listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY LOW AFTER ALL LORDS SHOT HIM?
Ok maybe not 1 hp. But it wasn't going to be 15 HP. wtfff? Like how do you even refuse to see that this doesn't make sense?
And of couse nobody in the thread is paying attention to me when I am actually finding scum............ Typical.
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