That said, there are other scenario's where he's town and things still make sense.
Nice effort by oberyn, sadly didn't help us. No reason to wifom over it any longer
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:34 GMT
#2161
That said, there are other scenario's where he's town and things still make sense. Nice effort by oberyn, sadly didn't help us. No reason to wifom over it any longer | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 12:34 GMT
#2162
On August 12 2013 21:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote: On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What in Ace´s posts makes him scum? Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess. O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless. Ehh.. Why is that? Why, if I'm scum would I rather hope its a fakeclaim than fakeclaim jailkeeper cause I think I'll get lynched anyway? Because we were planning on lynching a jailkeeper claims anyway, perhaps? I dunno if you were but i definitely wasn´t. It all would have depended on who claims, what have their actions been before and what they will be after (not only night actions, also in thread actions). | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 12:34 GMT
#2163
On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xata, what earlier question? What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 12:38 GMT
#2164
On August 12 2013 21:34 Xatalos wrote: What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? I don´t think you are fakeclaiming roleblocked. I think you are the towniest player in this game besides Dandel. I was just sayin you MIGHT be not telling the truth, not that i think it´s the case here. Because that would be super good scum powerplay, claim roleblocked, fakeclaim watcher, fakeclaim medic, make town assume wrong number of roleblockers/jailers/whatever, nothing seems scummy to anyone. Just a good play to "bait out scum roleblocker". | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 12:39 GMT
#2165
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 12:40 GMT
#2166
On August 12 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 21:34 Xatalos wrote: On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xata, what earlier question? What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? I don´t think you are fakeclaiming roleblocked. I think you are the towniest player in this game besides Dandel. I was just sayin you MIGHT be not telling the truth, not that i think it´s the case here. Because that would be super good scum powerplay, claim roleblocked, fakeclaim watcher, fakeclaim medic, make town assume wrong number of roleblockers/jailers/whatever, nothing seems scummy to anyone. Just a good play to "bait out scum roleblocker". The WIFOM is strong with this one O.o Wouldn't that all fall apart if one of us flipped scum? Then that'd mean (almost) game over. For no very meaningful gain. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
August 12 2013 12:41 GMT
#2167
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
August 12 2013 12:42 GMT
#2168
I think rayn is one of those people that believe the moonlanding didn't happen. Don't worry about it. | ||
raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 12:43 GMT
#2169
On August 12 2013 21:41 Xatalos wrote: Not to mention that I think both Oberyn and Onegu are town. And you think I'm town. So it's just a very far-fetched WIFOM theory. As i said i do not think it´s the case here. I am pretty sure you are town. I just gave you a scenario where you are not town, because you asked for it. :D I´m not sure about Oberyn and Onegu. I want to hear from them. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
August 12 2013 12:46 GMT
#2170
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 12:50 GMT
#2171
On August 12 2013 21:46 Onegu wrote: Ok first when this happened only xata had claimed being RB, oberyn straight up said Im claiming watcher do me a favor and claim one shot medic. We can get scum rb to try to defend himself and catch him. Or possibly the person will counterclaim me saying he was medic and I was the roleblocker. The first thing I told him was be careful because my scum meta has a history of random claims. He looked really town from this to me, there was no way he could lie to get me lynched because my flip would get him lynched right away and I didnt see any motivation for him to make the fakeclaim as scum. You really don´t see any motivation for him claiming that as scum? Even if you think really hard? What difference does it make that only Xatalos had claimed being roleblocked and Clarity had not? | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
August 12 2013 12:53 GMT
#2172
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
August 12 2013 12:54 GMT
#2173
There is plenty of motivation for Oberyn to do the claiming watcher thing, assuming Xata got targeted by scum and didnt die, so they can hopefully get the town jailkeeper to claim or whatever. Also if none of the scum visited Xata, there is almost no downside to doing what Oberyn did. | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
August 12 2013 12:55 GMT
#2174
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
August 12 2013 12:58 GMT
#2175
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
August 12 2013 13:01 GMT
#2176
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 13:02 GMT
#2177
On August 12 2013 22:01 Onegu wrote: Still thinking and going through possibilities. Town JK claims is very townie person isnt lynched, dies at night, next day oberyn is lynched. He would trade himself for one blue. Doesnt make much sense. And if town JK did claim and get´s nightkilled town!Oberyn (by your thought process) get´s lynched. Now how does that make sense? | ||
Onegu
United States9695 Posts
August 12 2013 13:03 GMT
#2178
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
August 12 2013 13:04 GMT
#2179
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
August 12 2013 13:04 GMT
#2180
On August 12 2013 22:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Um what? Why would Oberyn get lynched? That´s my question aswell. | ||
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