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On July 27 2013 06:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: To make it slightly easier on the Europeans without discomforting the Australasians too much, would anyone have a problem with moving the deadline up 2 hours to 00:00 GMT (+00:00)? Please do it! | ||
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First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first. Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff). | ||
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On July 27 2013 21:29 hzflank wrote: One post doth not maketh a townie. What do you think of Clarity's case on Tofu? Or the exchange between Clarity and myself? I don't like the case on Tofu. That doesn't mean he can't be scum but his Filter looks more like town to me. His vote on exarezee doesn't make that much sense to me but I don't think it is scum motivated. I guess he just tried to get exarezee to explain himself. But as you already pointed out: he should defend himself! Your argument with clarity is actually pretty stupid... I see a lot of nitpicking in it. For example I think the discussion whether 7 minutes are enough to read a page of filter ist pointless as it surely depends on the player. I also don't understand why you are so focused on clarity answering you and presenting his case in the same post. Arguments like this won't help town in any way. I am not entirely sure why clarity started this case on Tofu because I can't imagine he really thinks this guy is scum at the moment. | ||
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You earned it with your last post. I have to agree with you - Oats and Vayne both did not post useful things as of now. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: The Justanothertownie dude is scum though. Reasons upcoming. Ah, so you are actually calling someone scum. That's a good start. Why me? | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: yup justanothertownie dude is scum. Look at his first post. justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously. So town doesn't play the game seriously? That's a weird stance to take. I think Paperscraps just saw an opportunity to park his vote without having to give a reason. Conveniently FirmTofu had just voted for exarezee shortly before. On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: extreme nitpicking here, clearly paperscraps was using generalization and notice that justanothertownie just throws shit on him without explain how or why its scummy. Like pointing out supposed bad posts without explain why. scumtell. Yes, he is generalising. He isn't saying anything new and doesn't take a stance on the subject at hand which is scummy in itself but even if it wasn't it is definitely not meant as a joke. He contradicts himself. Concerning CJS i was leaning null/scummy that's correct. The reason for this was his filter which showed nothing but fluff. He then went on and posted an accurate statement about Vayne and you (you both didn't contribute anything useful up to this point in time) which i quite liked and which therefore slightly changed my opinion of him. Why exactly is this a scumtell for you? And no, i don't want to sheep CJS in the slightest. I won't do anything like that and your point about this is just garbage. Just because I agree with one of his posts doesn't mean I want to sheep him - you are just pulling that out of your ass. So you think Paper is town? What about CJS? | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Of course. Why would I share all my scumreads? You only need my vote. I'm town because that's what my role PM said. How convincing... | ||
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Regarding Papers: The contradiction I meant ist still the point that he claims everything he said was a joke and the part I quoted is surely not. Why would scum not vote so carelessly if it makes them look townie to people like you? | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote: How the fuck is it a contradiction if his post is slightly inaccurate? Also, so he posted that everything was a joke when there was a post that clearly was not, how does that make him scum? Because scum dont think that way. Why would a townie freak out like that and take back everything he said? It doesn't make him 100% scum but until the point i made the post in question he contradicting himself was the scummiest thing existing in the thread for me. So you know how scum thinks? | ||
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[quote]On July 28 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Sorry, but agreeing with someone on one particular subject is not the same as sheeping him. Or do we have a very different understanding of this term? So you currently think me and vayne are scum right? Wanna give better reasons that CJS?[/QUOTE] No, i don't think like that. I don't know about you because you are so stubbornly defending your ridiculous case against me. You might be scum but might aswell be misguided town. Regarding VA I would really like to see him contributing at least a bit. I don't like his approach to this game but it is not alignment indicative to me. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8 Talk about bad posts... | ||
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town town town town town town town town Dude stop hurting town. Ft is town somemore. You make no sense man... | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote: The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. Oats is really doing his best in this regard... So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress? As for scumreads: Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before. You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case. I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote: OMGUS? nice response. How is me tunneling you scummy? Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points. Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch? | ||
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Do you really think that this is very likely? Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? | ||
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Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote: No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you. I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there. Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. What? Please explain this. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps | ||
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Vivax - would you mind explaining why you think I am scummy and why I am a good lynch today? You don't wan't to lynch me just because I'm a low profile player, do you? If you have any questions i will gladly answer them. Also, I really want to hear your reasoning for the read on Paper. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:39 Vivax wrote: The thing i found kinda townie is how he treated people of the nullish category more favourably than not. Scum needs to paint people scummy and get a mislynch, being easy going on potential mislynches is something that works against that objective, in case they need to switch to them later, or start a counterwagon. So Paper only giving town reads is townie to you? That's some unusual logic. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:51 Vivax wrote: Is it so unusual that you find it scummy?i'm curious to see you get into the spotlight, and not shout from the sidelines. If you think paperscraps or me are scum, then i'm all ears, cause your post suggests that exactly. I don't know about you. You are null to me and I am unsure if this kind of logic is scummy or just different from my own. Papers could very well be scum - that's why my vote is on him. | ||
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I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. | ||
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I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home. | ||
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gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. | ||
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All I can say at the moment is that hz and you could very well both be scum. I could imagine hz encouraging you to attack him in the thread because it's not very likely for him to get lynched. Besides I don't believe he has any reluctance to bus you hard. | ||
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Will be here for several hours. Oats I am new and I could easily prove this to you if you want. But I am absolutely fine with you treating me as a smurf because it's good if you judge me for my play and not for this. So if you insist that I am a smurf I won't defend against this any more after this post. | ||
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I read a few games before I made my account to start playing myself but I cannot be bothered to check exactly which ones - I skimmed through most of them anyway. Stormmafia comes to mind - really cool game. But I guess the goal of your question was the last Newbie game where you were scum. Yes, I read that one. | ||
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Among other, less important reasons because of those: He defended Paper very early when there was no reason for scum to do so. He attacked me with a stupid case but backed off a little when he noticed he overlooked something I said. His logic for the case against xrz looks good. I don't know if I agree with the whole case though (have to look at xrz again before). He generally makes sense. The only things I don't understand are: Why do you compare case patterns, Vivax? Is it because you think one player writes them for the whole scumteam? I think that would be too obvious and very stupid. I still don't like your unvote. You claim to have not known the fact that Paper still would be lynched at that point and that you wanted to cause a no-lynch. I can't understand this. If you would have succeeded then we would be in the dark for a whole cycle where we can't really analyse based on any facts. I personally find that to be horrible. Besides you would be extremely likely to be mislynched the next day because of your unvote. It wastes a whole cycle... The only kind of reasonable explanation (at least for me) for the unvote is that you are scum and you knew Paper would still be lynched, so you tried to get town cred/fuck with other peoples minds. I am not sure that this is the case because you are so townie after all and because I have to admit it would be really bold for scum to make this stunt so for now you are town to me, but it's still weird. | ||
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On July 30 2013 03:41 Clarity_nl wrote: You have some points JAT but why does someone defending a townie early make him town? Scum do it all the time Maybe, but I don't think that's the case here. There was not much town cred to get because there wasn't a wagon on Paper at that time and on top of that he attacked hzflank for the case on Paper. It just feels very townie to me. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: That being said; If there is a doctor, doc Vivax! I second this. | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:39 hzflank wrote: Hmm, depends if I knew if there was actually a doc on you. I would prefer a Vig to save his shot until day 2 because I have an awesome conspiracy theory. So if you will 100% survive the night I would ask you to save the shot  If you had to fire now then I would not be against a shot on Stutters as he has a reasonable chance of being scum. I think that JAT has a higher chance of flipping scum, but Stutters is up there. If Stutters flipped red then I would want to lynch JAT next anyway though, so I would say just shoot JAT instead. Mind explaining? | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote: I don't think that your take on Koshi and I comes from a town perspective. It does not appear to be a scum-scum relationship in the slightest and I think that you know something that I do not. Look at the very first conversation that I had with Koshi here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=34#661 That is not scum-scum. Even if you argue that the later day 1 conversation was, the night conversation was not. If you are going to make such a wild claim then either I need to understand how you arrived at that position or I think that you are scum. It was a gut feeling (Vivax asked me to post it) because at that point my gut said both of you could be scum and I think you would take a fight with your scumbuddy without a problem. If you want a detailed opinion from me on that matter why the fuck don't you ask me earlier? It's like earlier in the game where people like you said I should be questioned and proceeded to not asking me relevant questions ever. I will give you an updated read on the subject when I'm done with Koshis filter. I already read yours and it isn't pretty. On July 30 2013 07:06 hzflank wrote: By the way, regarding Koshi and me: It is going to be a mess on day 2. Regardless of his alignment he is going to push hard at me and I am going to have to make a series of long and possibly boring posts and everyone is going to wish that we would both just stop posting. This is not a scum-scum thing. Very true. It will be like most of your early posts in this thread. | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:24 justanothertownie wrote: Gut-wise? I would prefer looking at filters before I post reads again. I was totally wrong yesterday and I didn't have the time to take another close look at the game as of yet. I know. I blame Vivax for making me post gut-reads. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:22 FirmTofu wrote: Wtf I did not expect Vivax to die. This is really unexpected. Why? It was very obvious to me. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:14 hzflank wrote: In my defense, Sent completely changed the role description for the Vig at some point after I signed up for the game. Sorry, I did not go back and read it again. Can anyone confirm this? | ||
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hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats. Details tomorrow. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:50 VayneAuthority wrote: if you can give any decent reason for writing what you did in parenthesis I'll be surprised. This is exactly what I was looking for tbh. people with outside info Parenthesis? Sorry, im not a native speaker. I liked this check because I came to the conclusion that Tofu and hz are likely to be scum and Malongo was a null read for me which fits in really well because hz wanted no connection between Malongo and Koshi to be had while Koshi was treated as scum. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah Vivax was just trying to not die. Notice how he talks about everything BUT me after saying he's getting a case ready. That's what I said. | ||
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The post before refers to Malongos question. | ||
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To adress Tofus point: Yeah, that one was stupid by me. Like really stupid. But it's not alignment indicative in any way. I thought hz and you are scum and didn't consider all the available information/posted like an idiot, true. But why does this make me scum? Btw. I am absolutely of the opinion that scum hz could fake this claim. I am at work and can't be here reading/posting all the time but I will do my best to stop you from a stupid mislynch. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote: Day 2 starts and I claim Vet. Scum have to decide whether they can lynch me anyway or not, and the answer very much depends on who the scum team are. For example, they were never going to get a vote from town-Rayn or town-Clarity, but they could get a vote from them if they were scum. Then Vayne fake claims Cop. Was that a move my scum-Vayne as a response to my Vet claim? That would only be true if scum were seriously in trouble without my lynch on the table. I do not see a scum composition that includes Vayne and that would be in so much trouble D2 they they would need to pull that. Scum are only 1 mislynch from MYLO anyway and they know not to shoot the Vet. I don't follow this logic. Why would scum need to lynch you specifically? Why do you think Vaynes claim is an answer to yours? On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote: Another reason as to why Vayne is town is because people are not calling him scum. Let me explain: if Vayne is scum then he pulled that move to setup a mislynch other than me. Therefore, he must of purposefully be waiting for someone to “Slip-up” so that he could un-claim and call that person scum. He did that when JAT posted. The fact that is was JAT would have been a bonus for scum-Vayne because several town already thought that JAT was scum. Next question: Why are the people not voting JAT also not attacking Vayne? If you think that JAT is town then you should absolutely think that Vayne is scum who was waiting to replace me as a mislynch target. I also don't understand this. Yes, your explanation for scum Vayne might be true but it's not the only possible explanation. I still don't see why Vayne absolutely has to be scum if I'm town. Maybe he just wanted to bait people into posting carelessly and see if he finds scum? Don't know why it makes me scum if he interprets my responses as scummy. Maybe someone could enlighten me if I'm just to dumb to see it at the moment but you make no sense to me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:17 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I think it's really weird that he is just lurking now and all pressure from him disappeared after this shit storm. Would be really surprised if he isn't scum considering all the logical fallacies he has made today Sorry, but I can't be active the whole time when I'm at work is it that hard to understand? Now I have time and I will gladly participate although the thread is a fucking mess. First of all I would like you to point out all the logical fallacies you think I did TODAY... | ||
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Does a Veteran die when he is roleblocked and shot by scum? I guess he does? I am currently thinking about the possibility of scum interpreting Vivax boost of activity and scumhunting + his vigclaim as bait to shoot him (vet). So if he was on the right track they could have shot + roleblocked Vivax to be sure and to kill a potential blue. In this case clarity had all the reasons to claim being roleblocked as scum. It also makes sense it's him who claims because Vivax attacked him before he died. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:51 FirmTofu wrote: This post is beyond scummy, holy fuck. What's up with you and scummy parentheticals? Why did you feel the need to say that? Inherent guilt, anyone? You ADMITTED that you made a mistake. Why would you ADMIT as town? Why would I not? | ||
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Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote: If they were aiming for doctor then they aimed for the person who "If he is Doc he will target Vivax". If they were aiming for Cop then they aimed for the person who: "If he is Cop then he is the most likely to target one of us who is not the GF". The perfect RB target would of been a mixture of both of those.[/QUOTE] That's a good point. I don't think they aimed for the doc but maybe I should take a look at claritys reads at that moment. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:17 Stutters695 wrote: I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit. He would definitely have known nobody would shoot him. The only danger would be a real vet claiming but that's not that bad for mafia either and I'm sure he would be confident in his ability to talk himself out of that at least til another mislynch happens. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:24 VayneAuthority wrote: yes there is a hole in your theory JAT, RB does not roleblock vet status since it is an inherent ability, not an active one. That's how it usually works here. So no they did not shoot and roleblock vivax. Really as I said before, if clarity fake RB'ed himself it will become very apparent later. It's foolish to think of that right now. Are you sure? Then it's different compared to the game hz talked about? If roleblock doesn't block the vet then clarity is town to me. Don't worry. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote: Rayn, lets go on a quick trip through my strange brain... Do you think that JAT is a smurf? Or do you think that this is his first game? Seriously?... | ||
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Anyways we should drop this discussion I guess. I don't see it leading somewhere, sorry. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:27 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: Justanothertownie Too weird, too weird. What is it that you think is weird? | ||
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On July 28 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm not saying your case is bad or anything, but rather discussing the length as to which you keep drilling into it. There's quite a few other people in this game. Tunneling is an easy way to get by as scum without revealing too much about yourself. I do it all the time. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote: Of course I want to look scummy. If this gets anywhere close to endgame I always solve the game in the end. (besides i swear this is normal mafia, which was a disaster) It wasn't your actions actually, but everyone else. The pressure disappeared so quickly once people started arguing about other stuff that you got swept under the rug. Best. reason. ever. /s | ||
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WTF. On July 31 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote: JAT doesn't look new at all when I actually read his filter. Especially page 3 is pretty hardcore. This makes his first 2 posts look pretty bad. Are you serious? That's the best you could come up with? And yes I'm aware of the fact I didn't follow through with my hz/tofu case. That's because it was not up to date anymore and I would have needed to add the new information gained by all the claims and reactions tonight. When I tried to put it together I started to become unsure and waited and since my conversation with hz earlier I'm seriously doubting my read on him. The case was a mix of hz/tofu with a lot of connection between them and if I doubt the hz part of it I can't justificate the whole case as it is. Therefore I didn't post it. Btw. like I said to oats before - do you want prove I'm new? I can give it to you easily. | ||
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Come on man. At least put a bit of effort into this. If you avoid giving real reasons besides the so called scumslip would you mind explaining why exactly my mistake is only possible from a scum point of view? I really want to hear how you try to justify that. | ||
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Whatever it's already late and there is no deadline today so I will finally get some sleep now. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:05 FirmTofu wrote: Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. Fair enough. | ||
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On July 31 2013 09:49 Malongo wrote: I am just going to stop posting because I feel like in another level of idiocy right now. Sorry to all players. For me it was an all pm game. Thats what I can say without interfering even more. I am going to cry in a corner now. ##Unvote. ##Vote: Malongo This is so fucking stupid. If you thought it was a pm game - did you message someone? If no WHY? If you are town this move is horrible. Why don't you even try to help us figure this shit out instead of doing that? If we lynch you and you are town I will rage. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:16 FirmTofu wrote: My Response: Yes, if I think someone is scum, I'm going to try and throw all the dirt I have and pursue that lynch with fervor. That's what I do as town. So, would you kindly post your case on me then? Also, if rayne tried to direct the lynch into paper/you/me why would he start tunneling koshi so hard? Not saying you are wrong but at the moment I don't see a good reason for rayne to do so. | ||
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I think you are probably scum. I liked your reads earlier (apart from the lists) and especially your case on hz but since then you only trolled. That's not that indicative I guess but when people attacked you you didn't defend yourself properly and your strategy to avoid being lynched is to paint me scummy. Not because I really am your biggest scumread but because you think I am the only one who you could get enough people to vote for. You turned 180 on me based on posts that were available to you when you said you were sure I'm town it doesn't make any sense. You should try to get scum lynched as town and not only someone who isn't you. I'm starting to think you only defended me for being new at the start because you knew I was telling the truth because you are scum and it is easy to be correct about townies as scum. If you are scum hz is less likely to be scum. This matches my recent feel about his play. I will elaborate on this in a second. | ||
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It came pretty quickly after raynes post (I was f5ing hard at that time) and to me it feels scum hz wouldn't have come up with this that quickly. He immedeatly assumed rayne meant to attack his claim with this post and I think scum-hz would have read the op before fakeclaiming. No hard evidence but it seems very genuine to me. I'm at work as always at this time of the day so my time is limited. If you want me to post reads tell me about which player you want to hear. | ||
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I didn't know how to read this guy since the very beginning of the game that's also the reason why I didn't comment on him that much as of yet. Ok, I will try to take a closer look at him but this will take some time as I only have a few minutes to play ever so often. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:01 Koshi wrote: But why would I do it as scum? Why would I do all this as scum? Why would you do it as town? | ||
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For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:29 Clarity_nl wrote: how can one person make the game so fucking unenjoyable QFT. On August 01 2013 03:19 hzflank wrote: I was joking when I asked that as I did not really think it could be a scum-slip. Now I am seriously concerned though. The first time you implied: I feel like Mal is town The second time you implied: I feel like Mal is scum Any third parties have thoughts on this? I think you might over interpret this. I could imagine me posting like that if I'm not sure about Malongo. He is right it would be a policy lynch. So, hz/clarity. If you are right then we should lynch vayne the next day if he doesn't get nightkilled, yes? If we don't get really different new information. On August 01 2013 04:35 FirmTofu wrote: Guys, we need to start consolidating if we want a lynch to happen today. No lynch is not an option. Since some people are not entirely convinced about rayn, can you guys look over JAT an stutters so we can actually lynch scum? Thanks. Seriously man. You took your time to make that rayn case and all but you still prefer to lynch me. WHERE IS THE CASE ON ME? Am I blind or did you just not post anything about me apart from saying "yeah totes scum lynch please"? | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:03 hzflank wrote: Before I start Vayne, lets make it clear that I do not fully trust you as I do Clarity. I have no idea whether you trust me. If you think that Rayn is scum and directed the NK (if he were scum then he would be the one making those decisions) then the simple answer is that he thought the most likely Doctor to save Vivax was Clarity, so he roleblocked Clarity. If Rayn is scum then when he directed the doctor the only good reason to do so was in an attempt to figure out who the doc was so that they could roleblock or shoot them. How would that work? I don't get it. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:12 hzflank wrote: I am not sure. When I played scum sometimes I was talk about blue roles and look for how people responded. I always took notice to everything said about roles in an attempt to figure out the blues. Once I got a shortlist of possible blues, I went well if this guy is that role then he will probably target player X, etc. It's all assumptions but I think it is better to attempt to blue hunt (as scum) and to just rng your roleblock. Ah, ok. Thought you might have definite reasoning I can't see. But you know how very wrong you were as scum trying to predict blue roles. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:33 VayneAuthority wrote: if malongo is town the game is ruined anyway so might as well get it out of the way. It would be just like NWM where we got fucked over by gumshoe, and so I didn't really care that we lost since we had trolls anyway. That's how I feel about this game. This is actually kind of true... Also, if Malongo thought it was a pm game isn't it strange he messaged noone? Maybe he didn't because he is scum and did not want to pm townies while he still had kind of a pm game via the scum qt. On August 01 2013 05:52 Stutters695 wrote: And for the record I will consolidate on him but I think Mal is barely better then a coinflip, while Tofu is scum. There is no justification for Tofu's play and I think this is a mistake. Still true though... | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:57 hzflank wrote: That is a good point, except this is Malongo we are talking about. He is not a very talkative person. Frustrating. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:18 hzflank wrote: Well there is no point in lynching Malongo then because it will not tell us which path is correct. At least if we lynch one of the people that I mentioned we get some great associations. FT is not my lynch of choice, though. Why? And your choice is stutters I guess? | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote: I have like this list of associations, like, giant list. Anyone ever do those puzzles as a kid, seating arrangements, x doesn't like y etc. I feel like I'm missing one piece. hz why do you not like a tofu lynch? I'm wondering about that since almost the start of the game. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I have to go and no I'm not voting for FT. hopefully he flips scum so I look really bad  ... | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:04 hzflank wrote: Rayn's cop claim makes total sense btw. If you guys spent as much time as I did analyzing pages 77-80 you will get it. I surely am getting it. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: For all of those voting me, explain to me why I would post all of my reads for all of town to scrutinize. Explain to me why I have been pursuing my scumreads and justifying them appropriately. Ask yourself if this is scum behavior. Ask yourself if scum would want to behave like this. Lol, just lol. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: EVERYONE WHO ARE TOWN, VOTE FOR FT, D3 LYNCH CORAZON, FT HAS A BETTER ROLE THAN CORA, THAT`S WHY THERE IS THIS SHIT I POINTED OUT IN THREAD! ? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, please. Xrz is a problem too btw. (for the vote). That's directed at the votecount. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:52 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm not twisting shit. Rayn literally said that anyone who doesn't vote for FT is scum and then named off 5 people who weren't voting for FT. I'm just connecting the dots. Come on... | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: lol, it's going to be hilarious when I flip. I can't wait to see the look on rayn's face. So you are assuming he would be surprised? Scum! | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:38 Clarity_nl wrote: If you're green you'll die for a greater cause than you were ever capable of creating by yourself. Man that's mean. Still true. | ||
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On August 01 2013 09:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Anyway, I'm going to bed straight after flip. Me too. | ||
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On August 01 2013 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: ok summerize it for me. XRZ claimed a red check on Malongo 40 minutes before the lynch. You also claimed cop with a green check on who? He checked Vayne. | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing i don´t get Koshi. If vayne is scum why did Malongo react to the check like he did? It makes no sense to me, because Malongo would know there is some sort of plan going on when his scumbuddy claims a check on him. It is Malongo. Maybe he was as active (clueless) in the scum qt as he was in the thread? Who knows. I don't see why there shouldn't be 2 cops either to be honest. 10/4 with majoriy vote system seems kind of hard for town - especially if there should be good mafia roles. | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote: wait wait wait. So you are lynching people on pure setup speculation?(this means you explain) When did you claim cop? I checked back to when i posted the xrz vote, didnt see it, What? | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I really hate reading 10 pages of 1 liners so I'd rather create 3 more pages of 1 liners than read those 10. Right? | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:35 VayneAuthority wrote: I still say there's a high chance JAT flips scum, He was also swept under the rug along with malongo. I knew there was something fishy about that and if im not dead tomorrow you can be dam sure ill be pushing a JAT lynch I will be very interested in your reasoning for this. If there is a reasoning besides the fact that "I was swept under the rug". Of course there aren't any people who look scummier than the dude who was not #1 lynch candidate anymore. Sounds legit. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont recall that FT has rolled scum yet, I cant tell you what FT's scumplay looks like. He voted Malongo man, thats totally townie That's the easiest bus ever. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote: I've given all my damn reads. I posted two long ass posts earlier. I know. Don't hold back if there is more just because they are poking you. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:31 Clarity_nl wrote: I suggest taking a couple hours break from mafia, come back tomorrow. The guy provides you with a logical argument and you fling shit. WHAT? He is gonna die tonight! | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:00 VayneAuthority wrote: nah exarzee went full retard there. Hz was trying to protect him from dying tonight but he's too dumb to realize it, just like his dumb last second claim Yeah, I realized this too in between my posts but seriously - this would never have worked. How dumb to you think scum is? | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i suggest people look into JAT aswell. The dude pops in with random comments on whatever discussion at times and then fades away. He´s not doing much to help right now. So, you want my help? How can I help you? I am of the opinion it is not necessary for me to build all the theories before the night is over and there is more information because I am never going to be the nightkill this time. | ||
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Who I think is scum depends partly on the nightkill but I didn't like oats posting today and I still think Tofu is scummy. I also did not like CJS posting yesterday even though he was right on malongo but I'm not sure about him. I guess after the nightkill I should have a better understand of what's going on. | ||
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My opinion on this game: rayn - cop xrz - town (it really makes no sense to play like him as scum) clarity - town because xrz town Tofu - scum On August 02 2013 12:52 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah I have no fucking idea why we let rayn get away with this bullshit play all game long. ##vote: raynpelikoneet rayn is fakeclaiming cop. He probably killed vayne so he couldprove that his town check was correct. Hes been playing against us the entire game by throwing whit at everyone with one-liners and no reasoning to back it up. I cant believe we let him live this long. Yeah, sure. So we have not a single cop after all? Seems legit. CJS - town because rayn town Oats - probably godfather (nightkill doesn't make sense otherwise) Last scum player between hzflank, koshi and stutters. I think koshi is the most likely to be red of those but here I am not absolutely sure. | ||
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There is also a slight chance CJS is godfather but I don't think that's likely. | ||
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Well, I wont be here for a few hours and I had a few beer so maybe I'm missing something key here but why don't we just lynch FT? | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote: JAT could also be a scum. There is a lot of defense coming from JAT towards XRZ. JAT also said he could phone XRZ if I am not mistaken? What the hell? I think you are indeed very mistaken my friend. Hz, I think you are a bit to sure about this. I don't think your not-a-cop-slip makes sense and I don't know why xrz should declaim if it doesn't. What I really don't understand is the kill on vayne but maybe they weren't afraid of raynes check (or didn't believe he really is a cop) because he announced an oats check (who would be vt or gf - if your balance assumptions are right more likely vt) and tried to set us up for a juicy rayn mislynch? The only thing that fucked with this plan is xrzs declaim. Am I stupid and this is impossible? If so why? Also why is it impossible that there is a doc still hiding? The only conclusive point for this is that he would probably have saved Vivax Day 1 but you can't be 100% sure everyone would have done that. There is so much speculation going on right now it's insane. | ||
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If you are right about the setup clarity is scum in this situation that's right. | ||
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It just feels weird to me to relie so hard on the setup and it would mean Stutters tried to bus Tofu pretty hard and I don't know how likely this is. | ||
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On August 03 2013 08:58 hzflank wrote: JAT, you are a fast learner! Btw. things like that make me feel you are either scum orchestrating a gigantic play or town (who thinks I could be scum) setting up a trap for me... | ||
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On August 03 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are however right about Koshi being pretty likely mafia. The dude is not bad, hell he just won a big game as SK, and whenever someone calls his bad posts out he goes into insta-defense mode and calls himself bad. FirmTofu is still really really scummy. His D3 posts make no sense from town pov. He´s basically not thinking about the game from town pov at all, can´t understand why the setup stuff is pretty obvious and makes very odd conclusions about things. I still think XRZ is most likely to be mafia because of stuff i have said and he is now suddenly willing to throw the game for himself if he is town. If he flips town however that´s not good play from him on D3, at all. It´s terrible. If that´s the case however JAT has to be the third mafia with Koshi + FT. I can't find any logical errors in this post at the moment. That means xrz pretty much has to be scum because I'm town. Will think about it some more. | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:32 Koshi wrote: The best thing I can do for town at this moment is proving I am not scum. Sure, I am trying to not get lynched, but that hasn't been my sole goal for this entire game. At the moment I would assume the best thing to do would be to prove someone else is scum if possible as you are not the lynch candidate. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:50 hzflank wrote: Rayn, it looked to me like Clarity was just trying to see who was willing to switch to Cora and who was not, so that if we did flip FT red we would have more information. Maybe I read it wrong, though. He already gave a different explanation hz. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:55 Clarity_nl wrote: Speak of the devil. Indulge me, what explanation is that? You saying you thought it would be a no-lynch. | ||
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I'm torn. They both look very scummy to me. What throws me off is that I don't think Stutters and FT are on the same scum team so it is not as easy as it could be after this flip. This would mean Koshi would be a better target because he is scum in almost every possible scenario. Still I read Stutters and Tofus Filter again and while Stutters does not look bad in my opinion FTs filter almost screams scum. Just look at his contribution since his almost-lynch - doesn't look very townie, does it? Then there is this: On August 03 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, this is where I stand. If XRZ flips town: I think it's probably JAT, Stutters, rayn/Clarity/Koshi. rayn could be lying about the cop claim, but I'm deferring to hz's best judgement on this. I have to agree that no cop is pretty unlikely so until another claim comes up, rayn could still be town. If XRZ flips scum: I think it's probably CJS, JAT, Koshi, maybe Stutters. When you look at his reads concerning a xrz town flip there is me (town - I know it is not obvious for you in this situation), Stutters (I'm not sure here) and especially this: rayn/clarity/Koshi. It should DEFINITELY be Koshi and just Koshi. I don't know why he feels the need to add rayn and clarity here. Keep in mind this is his xrz town scenario. Total bullshit. Since pre-flip stuff didn't work that well the last time I think I would slightly prefer a FT lynch. I would hate if we lost and he escaped the lynch 3 times while being scum. But honestly I am still down for both a Koshi and a FT lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I´m a bit puzzled over this post of yours because if FT and Stutters are both not scum, that means you kinda have to be scum? They shouldn't be scum together that's what I meant. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:40 hzflank wrote: If Rayn is town then Koshi and JAT are scum, with the remaining scum being FT or Stutters. Oats, dont take it personally but I agreed with Clarity's assessment of you. You have not seemed to really push your scum reads enough to make me confident that you are town. You also attacked townies for their voting without seeming to consider that majority lynch forces voting to be different. Doesn't matter though. I think that you are town based on what Rayne said, Based on Koshi being more scum, and also based on you not being attacked. If Koshi or JAT were town they should of hit you hard already on N3, but they did not. Why does that mean I am scum? Maybe I just didn't want to make the same mistake of trying to name a whole scumteam again? Yes, oats being scum would be one possible solution for the current situation especially since scum obviously didn't take rayns claim seriously so oats is far from confirmed town but we should concentrate on one lynch target not three. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I think it's very unlikely that FT and Stutters are on the same scumteam. If I had to make a scumteam lineup, and I really hate to do this because it is stupid, I would put it at: JAT/Stutters/Koshi/Malongo There are way too many players that have played very similarly. It's the reason that we are facing MYLO (I think, I know we have one lynch left). These 4 players have all lurked at times, have not contributed to the scumhunt in a decent manner, and have generally been really useless for the entire game. Sure, their filters are long (most likely longer than mine), but they refuse to partake in discussion (especially over the last 2 days) and they refuse to weigh the circumstances of their vote. They just sheeped onto XRZ and allowed a townie to be lynched without giving it a second thought. Imagine if 2-3 players had been reading the thread and made an accurate decision instead of just going "It looks like XRZ is scum herp derp" and just agreeing with the same crappy heuristics that Rayn and company threw out. Out of all of these players, I truly think Koshi is the scummiest and the most likely to flip scum should he be lynched. That's why I want to vote for him D4. This just isn't true concerning me. If you read my filter you wouldn't say this. | ||
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Oats is the most likely last scum but why do I have to push that if we only lynch one person today? Fine if you want to lynch Koshi you have my vote and I recall saying he is scum in almost any possible scenario so don't twist my words please. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:03 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So instead of thinking about your town read on XRZ for the first 2 days, you decided to 180 your read just off of what hz said? Yes. I should add that it wasn't a very strong town read but in essence this is correct. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:05 Stutters695 wrote: Trying to catch up on breaks at work since the thread popped a little. Oats is town because he doesn't give a shit. It's simple. If he is scum he doesn't need to give a shit because town is heading towards a lose. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually we got quite a lot out of it. - FirmTofu´s post regarding who is scum with/without XRZ was really horrible. There was zero logic in it. - Koshi´s been bad and scummy throughout the game and i tried to lynch him on D1 and D2 (that´s also a reason i didn´t think Malongo was mafia). I don´t even bother to recheck the quotes/posts because everyone knows that´s a fact. - JAT makes no sense with his logic right now. He says he does not think Stutters/FT are both scum but everyone else are town but Koshi. That kinda makes himself scum no? - Stutters is still meh.. On the other hand he looks good for pushing same targets i have (mainly FT & Koshi eariler, D3 is irrelevant now), but then him sayin he voted for XRZ because of "pre-flip associations" is bullshit. The case was not a pre-flip association, definitely not. Other things on D3 were, but the case was not. Either way he didn´t even understand the case (so his vote makes no sense), or he is mafia who is now trying to justify his vote. Please at least read what I'm saying. It is probably Koshi + FT/Stutters + oats right now. But we can only lynch one of them. | ||
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Yes, I did. If you lynch me we lose. At the moment to me it looks like everyone is dead certain I'm scum. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT do you think mafia has a godfather? I don't know. Oats can be scum without being GF because as you said yourself scum did not believe you are cop. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:16 hzflank wrote: Then why do you think it should be Stutter's job to convince us otherwise? That's your job. You have time as no one is currently advocating your day 4 lynch. I never said it is stutters job. Yes, it is my job and yes we should lynch koshi and it looks like we will but this just leads to the same problem the next day. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why exactly do you think Oats is mafia, and why is he more likely to be mafia than both Stutters&FT? He is NOT more likely to be scum than both Stutters/FT wtf are you talking about? I think he is mafia because there are no other possibilities left besides stutters and tofu being on the same scum team. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:20 hzflank wrote: You thought that town was going to lose because we have no mislynches left and we think that you are scum. You thought that Stutters should be in the thread helping town to not lose. Therefore, you thought that it was Stutters job to help you. When did I say this? | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote: it makes every sense for a town player to make. You pushed the lynch. You lynched town. If that's all you need you should take a look at hz. Lead the Paper mislynch and the xrz mislynch. But if he was scum we only have a cop and that's not very likely. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:20 hzflank wrote: @Oats Read through Tofu's day 3 play again and then tell me that he must be town due to a day 1 townslip. QFT! | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:26 Clarity_nl wrote: So your idea of being a good townie is to do nothing, then fling shit at the people who did stuff but ended up being wrong. Yes, the association stuff by hz got kinda out of control and rayn was just spamming the same two things over and over but it doesn't make either of them scum. So what is your point? Do you believe hz is scum or not? That's the important part. Koshi you are not completely wrong with your criticism but if you yourself say that they are town why do you start this shitfest? | ||
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Fine, I will look closer into stutters/oats the tomorrow/the day after that but we can only lynch one person this day and I would like to see the nightkill before (although it would surprise me if it's not a confirmed townie who dies). | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah it's gonna be me or rayn fo sho Possible. I could imagine CJS being killed too. Koshi, I think everyone gets that you don't like rayns and hzs play by now. Would you stop it now? | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are mafia that´s an easy way out. You buss two of your teammates because you only need to lynch Stutters after that. What differentiates you from Stutters? Why are you town over him, because i am pretty sure everyone else is town? Stutters is saying the same stuff you are. Hell, if we could flip Koshi & FT right now and they both flipped mafia how am i going to tell which one of you/Stutters is mafia because you both look equally good/bad and you are not trying to do anything to look better than the other one? I can´t tell you what you should be asking them. That eliminates the purpose of "proving why you are town" because i would be giving you the correct answers in the first place. You should be figuring out how to expose mafia and prove why you are town and then convince the rest of the town of it. It´s not my job to do that for you. Fair enough. It was a rhetorical question. If I knew how I could make myself look stutters right now I would do it. Like I said before I will take a closer look tomorrow. You have a lot of time to figure out if it's me or him or maybe oats so I have some time to come up with a good reasoning. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote: Also, I don't believe FT is scum. At least he looks through the bullshit. I don't see scum doing that. You are a funny guy. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote: To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) But how much sense does one blue (vet) make if scum has a roleblocker? Not much. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: A scum rb and vet is completely balanced. It does not matter than scum have an RB if there is nothing to block, so it cancels each other out. Just saying. I still think Rayn is cop, but the setup is possible without one. But would 1 vet be balanced in a 10/4 majority setup? Sorry, I don't know about this stuff. | ||
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On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Posting Style: A laid-back, "Lynch anyone who suspects me" style of play. His first strong scumread was me and he gave no justification for it. It looks to me like he wants me dead for the sole reason that I think he's scum. OMGUS at its finest. He just sheeped general thread sentiment and casually prodded me when I wasn't making a case on him. I don't see the usual enthusiasm that is so characteristic of most townies. Almost all of his posts are focused on defending himself rather than pursuing lynches. My first strong scumread was hzflank, not you. And this never was thread sentiment. Sure I prodded you because you never ever explained your scumread on me while it was one of your strongest reads. Why should I not? This makes you scum not me. If someone does OMGUS this game it is you with your scumread on rayn. Also you are using some kind of reverse OMGUS when you consider people who have you as town town all game long. Starting with me and proceeding with people like Koshi atm. Of course I defended myself when I was accused. If I can refute a point I should do this because otherwise town wastes time looking into this and doesn't hunt for scum. Also, when I'm at work (like right now) it is easier for me to defend myself than to post big cases on other players because it takes much less time (I don't have to filterdive or think a long time about what I'm going to say in order to defend myself). On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Stuff I Don't Like: + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps 1)Quotes random parts of Paperscraps' post and asks him to explain. He doesn't specify what exactly he wants PS to explain, he just says, "explain". To me, this looks like a classic case of scum trying to pretend to be active and questioning without asking anything of actual substance. On July 31 2013 07:45 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. Now you suddenly think I'm scummy without any new information? Suddenly you don't believe I'm new anymore and the posts you use to prove it were available to you way earlier when you actively defended me and said I'm town. WTF. Are you serious? That's the best you could come up with? And yes I'm aware of the fact I didn't follow through with my hz/tofu case. That's because it was not up to date anymore and I would have needed to add the new information gained by all the claims and reactions tonight. When I tried to put it together I started to become unsure and waited and since my conversation with hz earlier I'm seriously doubting my read on him. The case was a mix of hz/tofu with a lot of connection between them and if I doubt the hz part of it I can't justificate the whole case as it is. Therefore I didn't post it. Btw. like I said to oats before - do you want prove I'm new? I can give it to you easily. 2)The first part of this post aims to ridicule someone for their case against them. JAT dodges the case without putting out any actual substantive defense. The second part of this post is an excuse made to justify the lack of follow-up on the case he promised to make. Bad all around. On August 01 2013 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read xrzs filter. I'm leaning town on him. Many things he say make sense. If he is scum he is hiding this really good. For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). 3) This post was made when the XRZ lynch was gaining a little bit of steam on Day 2. JAT supposedly had me pegged as scum during this time. He previously made a few arguments against Koshi, but nothing too significant. If he really thought I was scum, why didn't he vote me? Did he fear backlash? What exactly prompted him to vote Koshi instead of me? On August 02 2013 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: I'm not afraid of dying because there are several much better targets to kill for scum not because I'm new. Who I think is scum depends partly on the nightkill but I didn't like oats posting today and I still think Tofu is scummy. I also did not like CJS posting yesterday even though he was right on malongo but I'm not sure about him. I guess after the nightkill I should have a better understand of what's going on. 4) He keeps using his "noobiness" as an excuse to justify things. In this post, he is saying he won't be killed because he's a noob. In other posts, JAT says people think he's scummy because he's new. He's using it as a fall back option to get himself out of the limelight. 1) Did you even read the post? I asked him to explain his read on oats how could I be more specific in this case? His read consists of 2 sentences of general praise for oats without any reasoning. 2) Koshis case was ridiculous why shouldn't I ridicule it? Maybe you could point me to the part you think I didn't adress because to me it looks like his sole point was that he suddenly thought I was not a new player. Add to this that he thought I was town earlier with the same information about me available to him. Then he starts to get heat and 180s on me without any reason like he does now on some other reads. He just accuses anyone he thinks could be lynched over him (apart from you conveniently) disregarding his previous stance on them and that's not a town trait btw. 3) At the moment I voted there were quite a few people on Koshi and he was more likely to be lynched than you. I thought you both were scum and voted for who I thought would more likely be lynched. 4) Stop twisting my words, will you? What I say in this quote is exactly the opposite of what you make of it. I say I won't be killed because there are far better targets. I will NOT be killed because I'm new. I don't keep using my noobiness as an excuse in fact I stated several times that people should NOT consider me being a newbie when thinking about my play. You are obviously getting desperate finding arguments for me to be scum. To the scumslip thing: On August 05 2013 16:52 FirmTofu wrote: Why is this a scumslip? JAT just said he was town because he jumped on the Malongo lynch. Okay, that's fine. So he should think that everyone who jumped on the Malongo lynch is town, right? WRONG. Both hz and I were on the Malongo lynch and JAT still had us as his top scumreads. There is absolutely no reason why a townie would hold this blatantly contradictory position. I already refuted this numerous times but I will do it again just for you Tofu. Yes, I made a logical mistake when I stated this but making logical mistakes is not exclusive to scum. I didn't consider the point I wrote to defend myself while stating that you were still my scumreads because I posted hastily and didn't think it through very well. If I would have thought it through I would have come to the conclusion that it doesn't make anyone town or scum to react on this claim like we did. If I was scum I probably wouldn't have posted anything at the time I did. You seem to be the only person who considers this a scumslip and you only do because it was the only thing you thought you had against me for a long, long time. You are really desperately trying to paint me scum to rescue yourself/your scumbuddy koshi and to end the game with a mislynch on me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 21:51 Koshi wrote: Your first scumread was Paper. You made 1 offensive case this game and that was it. You sticked your vote permantly on him. You are right that you had FT as town for the entire game. Your second post was saying you thought FT was town. I said strong scumread for a reason. Of course Paper was my first scumread. I voted him because I didn't think anyone was scummier Day1 but it wasn't a very strong read - how could it be Day1? Also this part of your post is prove that you did not even read my filter. I had FT as town for the entire game? Riiiight. And no I did not say that. I had Tofu scum since before Vivax was killed. I had Tofu as town Day1 and Day1 only. 1) The only read I just asked him to explain is the oats read. Learn to read ffs. Sure I asked questions regarding other stuff but Tofus point was that I just said explain without saying what i specifically want to be explained. 2) Ok, so Tofu states I am only defending myself. You claim I don't defend myself. Makes sense. If you want me to adress any specific point feel free to point me to it. The only problem is there isn't a good point because your case was full of shit. 3) meh, I can't see you being town. 4) I explained why I did not follow up on the hz/tofu case. If you are to lazy to read my filter that's not my problem. If you think there are any other promises I made and didn't follow name them. "if I was scum I wouldn't have done that" Yes, that is a bad excuse. That's why it isn't my main excuse and I just added it at the end. The only thing pathetic is your sudden Tofu/Koshi bromance without any town reason for it. I won't have 30 consecutive minutes to play for a looong time today. If you want to ask me something just do it and don't blame me for actually having to work. | ||
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- posting useless lists Day 1 - changing your opinion on people on the fly and without giving reasons - trolling the thread - refusing to answer people and instead saying unicorns/candyland whatever - lynching your townread Day1 - voting xrz without a reason On July 30 2013 16:25 Koshi wrote: NOOOOOOOOONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONNONONONONONO WE ARE NOT LYNCHING JAT ##Vote: exarezee - defending scum FT without a good reason On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote: Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter. -defending scum malongo hard On July 30 2013 21:50 Koshi wrote: hzflank is so smart. Too bad he is on the scumteam today. But as present to Oats. As this joke has served his purpose My scumteam: XRZ hzflank Oats Confirmed town Stutters Malongo On July 31 2013 21:01 Koshi wrote: Malongo is town, fuck it guys, remove all the stupidity and his play is green, unlike me this guy did not clusterfuck the thread. Read my previous post about Malongo to see he is town. My play is pretty red, because I did clusterfuck and took a lot of time away from town to do useful things. On top of that my scumbuddies could buss me really really easy if I just went afk after the trolling. (there are more posts like this) - this seems like a very scummy statement especially if you know Malongo is gonna be back by the deadline. On July 31 2013 23:37 Koshi wrote: btw, if Malongo ragequited he could be replaced. - voting for your townread FirmTofu On August 01 2013 07:05 Koshi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu - changing your opinion without reason as usual He was town to you before. Still you voted him and posted this. On August 01 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote: Rayn dude, we will never get 7... There really is a small chance FT is not scum but Cora is. Shortly after he is total town to you again. After that you are attacking hz, rayn and oats again. Without giving new reasons and only relieing on your older hz case. Also you can't decide if they are scum to you or not. On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote: At that point we would never have lynched Stutters. Thats why I said that. Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam. But wtf can I do. My name keeps being mentioned, town thinks I am scum, pfff. Going to be my first loss in mafia. This scumteam played well. I fucked my credibility and I never understood this game. I can't do shit. I ll focus on 2 people for the rest of day 4. Maybe I can catch somebody. Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see. On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote: To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) - This is funny! On August 05 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote: I always said you were town. ALWAYS. But I was on you because I also thought Maongo was town -_-. And we wanted a lynch... - because in my eyes there is absolutely no scumteam possible without you being a member of it | ||
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On August 05 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote: Small question: Why haven't you made cases on any of your scumreads through this game? You keep promising that but you never do. You just trow out names that are on your scumlist. But you never say why. I didn't create big walls of text but there almost always was some kind of reasoning. Textwalls aren't always better or more full of content. This can easily be seen in Firm Tofus case on me. On August 05 2013 22:40 Koshi wrote: Small question: Do you like hzflank? Tricky. I don't have him 100% confirmed but there are far scummier people than him and his vet-claim makes sense setup wise. If he is scum he almost deserves to win for being townier than most townies. On August 05 2013 22:43 Koshi wrote: feel free to answer the small question fast. Small question: Why would I bother buddying both Malongo and FirmTofu as scumteam? I could understand FirmTofu because our asses are on the line atm (lol) but why do it with Malongo? How do I know? Maybe you thought town would never suspect you being obvious like that? On August 05 2013 22:44 Koshi wrote: Small question; When did you put FT as a scumread. Why? I already answered that. It was night one (before Vivax was killed). It started by gut feeling + association with hz who I thought was mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: can we just lynch FT? Believe me I would love to. But Koshi is the one who should be lynched today. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look, there is a small possibility that Koshi is in fact town. FT looks much worse than him, and JAT went mia, again.. At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded. I'm here. If you have a question - ask. Otherwise I will continue reading filters. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:25 hzflank wrote: Well there have been a lot of developments recently so you must have something to say. What do you think of Oats? Oats could absolutely be mafia. He didn't give a shit all game long an just left aggressive comments here and there. Also he never votes with town. I would have called oats scum earlier but you guys said this play is his town meta and since I don't know oats I thought this might be true. Although this is not a good reason it makes also sense because if he is scum only one of FT/Stutters has to be mafia. | ||
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The townslip: On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote: WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this? I really don't know why people give him towncred for this. If you read this post of xrz - is it really possible to think it is a scumlip? Maybe if you only read the first part but it would be so hilariously obvious and stupid that no person in their right mind could think this really is a scumslip. FT is very quick to call things scumslip btw. this isn't the only time he does it. I think he uses this "scumslips" to have a point against someone he can always relie on without having to explain it and without having to think about the rest of their play. That's exactly what he did all game long with the scumslip he claimed I did. In this case I think he saw something promising (a possible error/contradiction) and instantly wanted to call it a scumslip. Later he only backed off because he saw that you can't possibly understand it in any suspicious way. He then proceeds with a big wall of text accusing xrz but if you really look at it there is not much content at all. He just quotes loads of posts and gives a short comment on it. In fact for the most part he just summarizes what xrz has done and calls it scummy. Especially scummy to FT is xrzs suspicion towards him of course. Well that's not the worst doesn't make him scum necessarily. There is some discussion with xrz without much information to get out of. So I will skip this part. On July 28 2013 04:39 FirmTofu wrote: I'm null on JAT right now. He has me as a town read but a lot of his filter looks like he's trying to "fit in". Like he said himself, his filter isn't that big. I think if we get him to start positing more, it'll be easy to determine his alignment. No, I would not lynch him today Oats. Not unless you make a good case against him. This point has been brought up numerous times by now so I will keep it short. It seems like me thinking he is town leads to him thinking I am town. Weird logic - I will call it reverse OMGUS. He did that again later. He tried to make it sound reasonable in this case but his explanation was that I had many posts which justify my townread on him from a town point of view. I don't see those post to be honest. He takes look into Papers posts: On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Filter Dive of Paperscraps: Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee. His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious. His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post. WTF! He uses the fact that I ask Paper to explain this specific part of his post as a point against me in his case. Just wtf. On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this? This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread. Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself. So, he changes his read about Paper because of Papers reads on xrz, oats and koshi (he attacks me later for exactly this) and because of one (not really bad) sentence in another post. Although there is a post he quotes which he actually likes. For the record he thought Papers was town before this post. I guess he just wanted a reason to hop on the wagon. He better doesn't attack anybody because of association votes: On July 29 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm starting to warm on the Paperscraps lynch. I have a feeling that Paper/Malongo/Koshi is one possible scum team and exarezee/hzflank is part of another possible scum team. Lynching in one of these two groups of players would give us invaluable information about the other group. ##Unvote ##Vote: Paperscraps On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote: If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though. Sounds convenient to me if FT knew Paper would flip town. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum He should think hz and xrz are scum based on his pre flip associations but he ist just leaning scum on them while I suddenly go from town to scum just because of the time I got back into the thead. Does not make sense. On July 30 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: I'll be honest. I don't really understand Stutter's case on me. If someone could clarify what exactly he's getting at, that would be great. hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. I am leaning slightly scum on both JAT and stutters, especially after stutter's jumbled case on me. I'll have to filter dive to be sure, though. Yep, Stutters totes scum because he accuses Tofu. On July 30 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo and Koshi are very closely linked. They've been buddying each other the whole game. On reads and just about everything else. They were trying to prevent the PS lynch by voting hzflank, someone they thought was a stronger scumread. This makes sense if they were both town, but not if they are both scum. Thus, a PS town flip exonerates them. Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all. Defending scum Malongo and scum Koshi based on a lie! Koshi voted Paper without much problem. On July 30 2013 09:22 FirmTofu wrote: Wtf I did not expect Vivax to die. This is really unexpected. How anyone could be surprised by that is beyond me. I guess Tofu wasn't either. He then sees my "scumslip" and attacks me for it really hard. It will be his one and only point against me for a looong time. Rayn attacks him so Tofu thinks he is scum. Next OMGUS read. On July 31 2013 02:39 FirmTofu wrote: Totally agree. My point is that rayn is using this as a way to get people to think I'm scummy. I'm pointing out that I've done this plenty of games when I was town, so it is definitely NOT a scumtell. My question to you is, "Why is rayn deliberately misrepresenting me?" He then gives a huge ass post full of reads. Problem is all the scum reads are missing (because there was no time left, lol). Who the fuck makes a gigantic post explaining reads and all as a townie and only posts townreads? Or to be concrete who as a townie would waste all the time he got on townreads while completely ignoring the scum reads. I ask him to make his case against me - he doesn't until very recently. Defends scum malongo: On August 01 2013 02:16 FirmTofu wrote: I can policy lynch Malongo, but I don't think he's scum. I'd rather lynch people I find scummy. Something funny: On August 01 2013 02:58 FirmTofu wrote: Oh, Clarity, I forgot to answer this bit. Oats is town for the same reasons as you. He tunneled for a bit and then dropped off the case. I just forgot to post the post where he dropped off and started pursuing others. Personally, I think you are a bit more likely to flip town because you did what I would do. You pressured someone you thought was moderately scummy(me) and then backed off when you saw a decent defense and a "scumslip townslip". I would have expected scum to continue tunneling. Scum don't like admitting they were wrong. On August 01 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote: @JAT Most of my case on you is the scum slip you made. There are a few more posts that I didn't like, but ultimately it all hinges on the scum slip. If people aren't willing to accept the premise that it was indeed a scum slip, then my case is essentially useless. I was pretty burned out after I made the case on rayn so I'm procrastinating on yours. I was hoping people would be more eager to lynch rayn because of my case. Unfortunately, this town has gone full-retard while I was sleeping. On August 01 2013 04:50 FirmTofu wrote: I already do that numerous times. Try reading my filter. You even admitted that you made a mistake. Also he had no energy left to make a case on me. Sure. On August 01 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty sure I can't because it's against the rules. I probably would, though. Haha, yeah... On August 01 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: lol, it's going to be hilarious when I flip. I can't wait to see the look on rayn's face. This still makes no sense. Keep in mind he was dead certain rayn was scum. He wouldn't be surprised in this case. If I was Tofu I would start shouting scumslip scumslip because this post suggests he thinks rayn is town in reality. On August 01 2013 08:31 FirmTofu wrote: Let me break this down for you. You have been checked by a cop in XRZ and he has found you as[red]scum[/red. Care to defend yourself instead of being utterly fucking useless? This whole discussion just feels so like scum scolding inactive scum to me. Not a good point but it fucking does. Discussion with hz and rayn follows. This has been talked about much already. On August 03 2013 05:16 FirmTofu wrote: One last question. If there is a blue out there, not revealing his role, would it be in town's best interest to have him reveal? Consider all the possibilities. Hidden Doc/Cop/Vig/Vet Obviously, vig and vet are unlikely to be hidden, but I think a hidden doc or even a cop is still a possibility. What is this? Is he trying to get another blue (possible doc) to claim? On August 03 2013 08:26 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think Clarity is NULL if XRZ flips scum, but is possible scum if XRZ flips town. Aside from the potential roleblock fakeclaim, what dirt do you really have on Clarity? This makes no sense at all considering clarity claimed roleblock Day1. On August 03 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, this is where I stand. If XRZ flips town: I think it's probably JAT, Stutters, rayn/Clarity/Koshi. rayn could be lying about the cop claim, but I'm deferring to hz's best judgement on this. I have to agree that no cop is pretty unlikely so until another claim comes up, rayn could still be town. If XRZ flips scum: I think it's probably CJS, JAT, Koshi, maybe Stutters. I already commented on this. It makes no sense to add rayn and clarity in the xrz = town scenario. He knows xrz is going to flip green and tries to get koshi out of line of fire. On August 05 2013 07:12 FirmTofu wrote: Alright I finally have some time. I find it odd that koshi is suddenly defending me so vehemently. On day 2 and 3, he was willing to lynch me, but now he wants me alive? If he was scum, he would recognize that I am the best alternative to a long on me. Why would scum koshi defend me? Hz, cjs, oats, and clarity are all town btw. Anyone tho thinks these ppl are scum has to pull out some crazy conspiracy theory to justify their position. Rayn is probably town. Like hz said, no cop is extremely unlikely. He's probably going to die tonight anyway, so there's no point discussing him right now. Of those who are left, JAT and stutters have to be mafia. There is no doubt in my mind about this. My vote will likely be on either of these two candidates for Day. Reverse OMGUS. He calls Koshi town because Koshi calls him town. On August 05 2013 09:31 FirmTofu wrote: Oh lol. I can see why they would leave a potential cop rayn alive, but I don't know why thy chose clarity over CJS and Oats, who are both practically universally confirmed town. I already commented on the rest of his filter not long ago. Especially on his desperate and really poor case on me. | ||
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On August 07 2013 05:04 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You guys try to make association cases and I try to lynch off the scummiest players. My plan is to lynch Koshi, JAT, and then Stutters and get Town MVP because I carried the town on my back. Then we can have cake and I promise you, it's not a lie. Well if you proceed with this plan you definitely won't be town MVP I can guarantee you that. | ||
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On August 07 2013 05:16 hzflank wrote: I cannot believe that so many people keep talking about how they want to look good post game. Fuck post game. The objective is to win the game. That's it. Sounds reasonable. I can understand Koshi writing bullshit because he is scum and he will be lynched but CJS should think a little further than I will be MVP of this game. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:58 FirmTofu wrote: On phone, but ill consolidate for now. ##unvote ##Vote: Koshi Isn't it weird for town tofu to consolidate on his townread koshi at MYLO? | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:25 Stutters695 wrote: There's nothing to say really. Koshi is scum. That's what I was thinking too. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: If that is the scumteam you made 800 posts blaming townies for being scum. ^^ | ||
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Oats totally fucked us up. If he had saved Vivax the game would be different. We would have known there is a doctor and all those association cases would not have been made in this way. Also CJS would have been questioned because if people knew there is a doctor then there could be a gf too. Koshi, you are definitely not stupid. Please don't play like this again as town it looked scummy as hell. Hz, you should not stop playing. You are good at this. I think we could have lynched FT Day2 because I guess Vayne would have switched but then came the fake claim and ruined it. 2 cop fakeclaiming townies in one game don't make it easier... Later rayn checked CJS of all people. Really bad luck. If there wasn't a green check on him CJS couldn't have ended the game so easily. I know I didn't play a good game especially in the beginning and the only scum I saw through was FT who escaped the lynch multiple times - it saddens me. Well, I think I learned a lot and it was fun. At least I wasn't mislynched and the trying townies thought I was town at the end. | ||
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