Titanic Mini Mafia!

On July 27 2013 11:42 VayneAuthority wrote:


im getting towncred from oats, dont worry

On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!

##Vote: exarezee

On July 27 2013 12:05 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im hurt.
I still dont understand your reluctance to lynch lurkers man, what if every active player looks town?

On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:
Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.

On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
Ok, so no one has died yet right? I was a little thrown off by the Night 0.0 and Night 0.1.

LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH.

On July 27 2013 09:55 Paperscraps wrote:



Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.

Day 1 lynches are always interesting though. It is hard to get solid reads and judge interactions between players.

On July 27 2013 10:38 Paperscraps wrote:


As in any other game of limited information. Day 1 has the least amount of material to draw from and thus is harder to deduce a solid fos. As the game progresses and people are pushed off the boat, you can begin to seem "teams" form and motivations for lynches and kills.





##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow

Also, anyone want to make out in a town car with me?

On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!

##Vote: exarezee

On July 27 2013 12:43 Paperscraps wrote:
Im just going to lurk for the rest of the day, since exarezee has deemed lurkers unlynchable. It is a full proof strategy guys. If you are mafia, just lurk from now on. You won't get lynched.

On July 27 2013 13:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

I would lynch a lurker if he is the scummiest dude in the thread.

Why are you insisting that we must lynch a relatively active player?

On July 27 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also, generally on average scum post less than the average townie.

On July 27 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:

How in the world does "insert scummy post" always = scummy?

Where did you play before?
Also, if a dude posts 15 pages or more as town often, and posts 4 pages here, is he likely scum?

On July 27 2013 17:37 Vivax wrote:


It was kinda designed to lure some response from scum thinking they got an easy target.
But I need to work on appearing scummy, either that, or scum this game is a team of cravens (thx GoT).

On July 27 2013 18:53 hzflank wrote:


Most people have now posted and the current discussion is at risk of stagnating. You have already talked about Paper, so unless you have anything to add there would you now be willing to tell us why you found Koshi more scum like than others?

On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now.

On July 27 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno about FT, that 'mistake' above seems really newbie scum mistake to make.

Clarity, what do you propose I talk about?

On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:


How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum?

You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum.

Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad.

Which of them is most likely to be scum?

On July 27 2013 23:27 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

My question to you is, why are you trying to highlight posts that make you look town! It doesn't help us find scum if you take a post and run around screaming "Guys! I'm town! This is why!".

No. That will earn you a one way ticket into the ocean. Go find us scum, not sit around and proclaim your innocence. It helps no one.

The Kraken is hungry, and I don't think it wants to eat me again. But perhaps it would find you tasty...

On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?

On July 27 2013 23:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

You said that you think at least one of them as scum. So that would mean that you are trying to figure out who is scummier?

I bolded two sentences in your post which contradict each other. You would rather vote paperscraps first, but you think FirmTofu is scummier. Am I missing something?

On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu?

You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then?

On July 27 2013 23:39 exarezee wrote:


Are you trolling me? I never said that I think they are both scum. If it was voting deadline right now, I'd vote paper first, and tofu 2nd. I don't think paperscraps is as scumy as FirmTofu. WTF? have you been reading my posts or just making things up in your head.

On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:


Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.

If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.

On July 28 2013 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Tofu's vote isnt serious.
Papersvote isnt serious.
By serious vote, I mean intent to lynch.
Other than that exarzee?

On July 28 2013 00:17 hzflank wrote:


They wanted to apply some pressure in an attempt to get a read?

On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:


The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise.

On July 28 2013 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote:


You mean papers, right? that's who your vote is on

On July 28 2013 02:28 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to consolidate and post a case on exarezee. There is a wealth of scummy shit that he's been doing.

On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:

WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?

On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake.
Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours.

##Unvote

Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo.

On July 28 2013 03:25 Paperscraps wrote:
Just woke up and I am heading to work. I have read up to page 16. I will be back in 5 or less hours and make some posts with substance.

On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.

Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.

Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.

On July 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:

Mostly because I think you are scum and if you are scum, paperscraps is likely town.

Do you think I'm scum?

On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:

He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.

On July 28 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote:

I wasn't even saying CJS is a scumread for me right now...
Nope, still scum on exarezee. His responses look like a feeble attempt to save face.

On July 28 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:
I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta.

That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash.

I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics.

I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to.

On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote:
@exar

About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction.

On July 28 2013 11:12 Paperscraps wrote:
@exarezee

If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat.

I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game.

You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though.

On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote:
Lets all BW and murder this guy!

##Vote: exarezee

On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote:


Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.

TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all.

##Unvote

My first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far.

I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad .

On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote:
@exar

About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction.

On July 28 2013 13:39 Paperscraps wrote:
@exar

Your need to defend/attack everything that is said about you is not helping. FMPOV I see a stubborn townie who thinks he found scum in the first day and doesn't want to look bad by backing down. Behind every post, even ones that aren't super-serious people can still have an agenda. Whether you believe it or not I don't really care. I have developed a decent read on you now and wish to move along to more important matters.

On July 28 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:


I'm not saying your case is bad or anything, but rather discussing the length as to which you keep drilling into it. There's quite a few other people in this game. Tunneling is an easy way to get by as scum without revealing too much about yourself. I do it all the time.

On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote:

exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.

If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.

Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.

On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote:
Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around.

Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now.

On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote:

exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.

If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.

Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.

On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee

Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.

Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy?

On July 28 2013 23:57 Clarity_nl wrote:


kinda, lets wait to see what rayn and stutters have to say before discussing it

On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally.

"If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both"
-Native American Proverb

On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us?
Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it.

On July 29 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey exarezee, why dont you think the actions surrounding your case and his response does not make him town?

On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that?

On July 29 2013 00:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that.

It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today".

By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though.

On July 29 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I meant FT exarezee


When paper flips town man. You guys gonna be sad.

On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore.

On July 29 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:

live with it.

Links to past games?

On July 29 2013 02:51 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
And stop giving me town cred for rage quitting. Give me town cred for this shit that I've done, not the ragequit.

On July 29 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
Although I disagree with most of what he's said since he came back, he seems to be trying to figure the game out.
Also OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP classic town, hard to fake. At the very least don't lynch him today.

I'm gonna be gone for a couple of hours but will be back with plenty of time to spare.

I suggest people look into Oats, Stutters and Malongo.
Right now I think I'm willing to lynch Malongo (waiting on him to show up first) or Stutters.

On July 29 2013 03:11 Vivax wrote:
I use to fake mistakes about setup (KP and similar) to get cred.
In the context of Tofu pushing XRZ it might actually have some value in giving him a townread, it simply fits with the timing where he votes and pushes him, so I think it could actually be a good town indicator.

If it were some random zomg scumslip with no context I'd treat it as null, but in this case it's a fine towntell.

On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
##Vote: justanothertownie

JAT is scum. He just sheeped onto the wagon that was on me with out much thought and gave himself an out when I flip town that I am "probably" scum.

Vivax actually posted some content and I don't think would be the best lynch today.

Stutters I would definitely keep my eye on.

hzflank is weird read for me now, I really don't know if he is pushing as town or scum. It was obvious that he wanted to push on Oats and he even admitted to it, which I liked.

I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Good vig shots tonight would be rayn and/or stutters. I think their flips would be more beneficial than the content or rather lack of content they post.

On July 29 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote:

Fixed. Your logic works both ways.

On July 29 2013 03:22 FirmTofu wrote:
@exarezee
I want to know why you think Paperscraps and I being on the same scum team is so unlikely. You still haven't justified that logic. Why is it that you would drop your case on me if Paper flips scum?

On July 29 2013 03:25 Vivax wrote:


There's the other side of the medal, you already know the other guy is town and will elaborate that post according to that mindset, not believe he's scumslipping.

But yeah, I see where you're coming from. I use these little things in getting townreads, but ultimately one has to judge the overall picture.

You want to lynch FT quite badly I take?

On July 29 2013 01:38 Koshi wrote:

Are you and JAT friends?

On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.

Can someone else try, please?

On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote:

exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you.

If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly.

Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts.

On July 29 2013 04:24 FirmTofu wrote:
Rayn always accuses me Day 1. This is becoming a thing now. I've been town every game and rayn has been wrong every time.

Exarezee is scum. I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you guys. Everything he has done this game is scummy. His defense is scummy. His attack on me is scummy. His attempt to set up 2 wagons is scummy. My vote stays on exarezee.

On July 29 2013 04:36 FirmTofu wrote:




What I find really odd is that you stopped attacking me after I made my case on you. Am I correct in assuming that my case on you made me more town to you?

On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote:

Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper?

On July 29 2013 07:23 Malongo wrote:

I am pointing out directly at the post where hz didnt want to pressure lurkers early because *it was best for the town to consolidate 2/3 wagons early* wich never happened because there was only one wagon on Paper. If he wanted more wagons then why did hz kept focusing on convincing everyone that Paper is mafia. Clarity you are actively ignoring that he lied.

On July 28 2013 18:31 Paperscraps wrote:


I don't really plan on answering it either. I shouldn't have to go through another person's whole filter and outline what I think are good reads or insight. You can choose to agree or disagree. That is all that really matters.

On July 29 2013 07:34 hzflank wrote:
I do not want to take all the attention away from JAT because he does look like scum and I am aware than I am defending him by proxy. The problem that I have is that I don't know for sure which of you are town, so if I just easily change my vote to JAT then I may just be easily letting scum control my vote.

We really need JAT and Paper to start posting.

On July 29 2013 07:46 Paperscraps wrote:


It is a decent post, slightly biased through the lens of hzflank who already at that point scum reads me. You are seeing what you want to see in my posts. I could defend every point you made against me, but right now I don't think that would be beneficial since I am beginning to town read you again. We could go into the psychology of mafia and how people want to think their first choice is right, but really you should realize with all the flak I am getting from everyone right now, the chances of me flipping scum is very low. I am all alone here, this is day 1.

Tofu made a pretty big shift in the recent pages, going from totally being against my lynch to voting me. I am not saying I don't have reasons to be voted with what everyone is throwing at me, but it doesn't seem like a natural shift at all. Where did his backbone go? Does he not scum read exarezee anymore? Is exarezee bussing me now? A closer look at Tofu right now would be great.

@anyone
How much time until the deadline?

On July 29 2013 07:51 Paperscraps wrote:


I am putting myself in Tofu's shoes. What is he thinking to have voted me? His shift from being against my lynch to voting me was too sudden. It is scummy. He has been all about lynching you exarezee, then is now voting his scum's scum read. That doesn't strike you as odd play?

On July 29 2013 08:08 Paperscraps wrote:


The main thing I like about Oat's is his posts don't seem super thought out. This gives them a sense of truth and genuineness imo. He doesn't seem like he is trying to manipulate everything he talks about, but just gives us his outlook on the matter. I actually kind of dig his filler post's as well, they are light hearted and don't seemed forced. I would be hard pressed to see Oats flip scum and have been forcing all of these posts.

On July 29 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we should kill Koshi or Paper. Maybe FT is town after all.

On July 29 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have a 95% feeling this lynch is gonna be a mislynch. I'll be back in 15min. Now sauna.

On July 29 2013 08:22 Vivax wrote:


Do you think it's even worth considering that Rayn could be scum?
What happened to your XRZ scumread actually. PS asked a good question: Why do you think it's so likely that XRZ is bussing PS so early?Cause that's what your current reads foot on.

On July 29 2013 08:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

When Paper flips town you mean...

On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch?

On July 29 2013 09:11 Vivax wrote:
First of all, my vote on Ft didn't represent my current read. I just had to do it to avoid warning/modkill. I actually think FT's read post makes him likely town at this point.



Are you dumb or something. You think I'm scum for attempting no lynch on a townie?
If you think I want cred for that, no thanks, whatever you do to read me, base it on my other play.

On July 29 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:


Indeed, but my play was also suicidal and unnecessary for scum.
Or do you think I'd have SUCH massive balls as scum to pull such a stunt?

On July 29 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

WIFOM.

On July 29 2013 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everything in Vivax' post..

On July 29 2013 09:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
Hey I said anyone except paper! oh well.

On July 29 2013 09:54 VayneAuthority wrote:


prove it!

as for excar guy you'll see me in the olympics before you see me pushing a day 1 lynch

On July 29 2013 09:57 VayneAuthority wrote:


Because Vivax is scum.

as for excar guy again I thought my sarcasm was dripping but this is the internet after all

On July 29 2013 10:02 Vivax wrote:


Cause I know I'm not scum, and cause I feel I did the right thing, albeit it ended up not accomplishing anything.
Plus, I would like if people judged me on my overall play and not just that stunt. I do crazy shit as both town and scum, and while this was crazy from the point of view of my own safety, I feel that accomplishing a no lynch would have been the right thing.

On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote:

Here is the small mistake hzflank made. Here in this comment hz somewhat admits that he knows that paper is town, and he is being scared that when this flip happens, Koshi will use it to prove he is scum. This comment is full off scared scum.

No fucking townie would be on the paper wagon so long and make this comment. Why would a townie suddenly doubt himself? Or suddenly be so scared to be lynched for being wrong?

hzflank was also lurking during the heat of the lynch. That's another scumtell. Because nothing feels so good as scum to see the bickering of town when they are about to lynch another townie. I know the feeling from nuclear.


It's 5 am and I got to go to work in 2.5 hours. Been a while since I woke up i nthe middle of the night and solved a problem.

On July 29 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote:


And you think bad tunneling townies forget their reasons for calling someone scum like that?
How is it tunneling anyway if he throws away his case to weaken his own read of PS?

He could have gone like: "Joke post or not, he's still scum for the other reasons I mentioned". That would have been tunneling townie.
Instead he doesn't care about his OWN REASONS.
How is that even tunneling townie.
Jesus christ, Oats.

How do you explain he's ignoring Vayne for posting trash when saying this:

On July 29 2013 23:51 hzflank wrote:


Just to be clear here, are you saying that this is what made Paper's look less scummy to you?



Personally I thought that was the scummiest thing that Paper had posted up until that point.

On July 30 2013 03:25 Vivax wrote:
If you spent more time arguing on why somebody is scum it would lend more strength to your cause rather than complaining all the time that I have a scumread on you, cause that's what you have been doing this night phase.

What's your take on Vayne, Rayn, Clarity, Koshi etc etc., what are your current scumreads?

On July 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched.

On July 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
exarezee; Also if you think that's important, why don't you go over his posts and see what's in there?

Vivax, can you please talk to me.

On July 30 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So what did you find out that is important?

On July 30 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
why are we looking over some one who got lynched again? You look at the filters of people that got nightkilled not lynched.

On July 30 2013 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:
You can do the same with a nightkilled townies reads...

On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....

VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-

On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:
Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases.

Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote.

On July 30 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-.

On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff.

When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter...

You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information.

That's fucking scummy.

On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:

And ~5 other posts about the subject?

On July 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched.

On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:


If you think the information is not important, why do you post this:

And ~5 other posts about the subject?

On July 30 2013 04:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
xrz unless you think he's scum for not looking back at paper please stop shitting up the thread.
If you DO think he's scum for it, explain.

On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact?

On July 29 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
ahahahah I knew it guys .

Rayn and JAT probably scum.
JAT is definitely a smurf and not new.

FT is town. Let me explain. Lets say he is scum and looking through exarezee's filter who he knows is town. He has to look carefully and read carefully. Now on first glance, the scumslip may look like one but FT knows its not a scumslip cause exarezee is town so he never posts it.
Lets say FT is town and looking though exarezee's filter. OH SHIT SCUMSLIP. POSTPOSTPOST. oh wait not a scumslip.
Yeah. FT is town.

On July 30 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So what should we do in your opinion now?

On July 30 2013 05:18 Vivax wrote:


Opinion on my dissection of the clarity case?
Do you think that case came from a townie?

On July 30 2013 16:54 Koshi wrote:
Scumteam:
Oats
hzflank
XRZ

On July 30 2013 08:38 Vivax wrote:
My main lynch target tomorrow at this point would probably be XRZ.
If I die, still use your own head. I hate when people use my reads without some own reasoninhg post-death.

On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.

On July 29 2013 21:39 Koshi wrote:
XRZ boasts about having played over 200 games, has 7 pages of filter and can be placed next to oats this game. They talk alot about small things, I am not leaning neiter town nor scum. They should not fear any lynching from me yet.

On July 29 2013 21:39 Koshi wrote:
XRZ boasts about having played over 200 games, has 7 pages of filter and can be placed next to oats this game. They talk alot about small things, I am not leaning neiter town nor scum. They should not fear any lynching from me yet.

On July 29 2013 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Here is the scumteam:

1) hzflank
2) Oatsmaster
3) XRZ

You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave.

On July 31 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
no shoot malongo or rayn

Rayn why do I always wanna kill you man.

Ok at this point I have 7 strong townreads.

So therefore the remaining people are scum.

Stutters/rayn/malongo/koshi

On July 31 2013 00:13 Malongo wrote:

You are actively ignoring that hzflak and Clarity confirmed no millers 6 or 8 posts before mine. At that point I had little time to add to much and honestly I have never seen a mafia game with 0 vigis int TL. Have you?. I am ready to answer any questions.

On July 31 2013 00:25 Koshi wrote:

Vivax his case on you made me think you are scum. If Vivax would have been scum and I alive I would be yelling to lynch you today.

On July 31 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:
Can't believe I missed this.





What in the world happened in these 2 hours for me and oats BOTH to go from null reads to being on the scumteam? Probably need to lynch koshi at some point too.

On July 31 2013 00:21 Malongo wrote:

Then I ask you to be a little more careful about your reads. Please recheck the thread from VAs claim to see if my post makes sense or not.

On July 31 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi defending Malongo is really od btw.. I see no reason for him to defend that bullshit.

On July 31 2013 00:25 Koshi wrote:

Vivax his case on you made me think you are scum. If Vivax would have been scum and I alive I would be yelling to lynch you today.

On July 31 2013 00:46 hzflank wrote:
You guys are going to hate me for this but I think Koshi is currently more like to be scum than Malongo.

I am not saying that Malongo is town, but I think there is a higher chance of that than of Koshi being town.

On July 31 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lolol. His post is basically a copy - paste from HZ´s . :;DDDD

On July 31 2013 00:57 Koshi wrote:

I was pushing my scumread. I was not trying that much to not lynch Paper. I did say paper was town in my book.

Also Mr. XRZ. What is your read on hz atm?

On July 31 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That´s a fucking towniest post in this thread this day and nobody should try to lynch this guy ever. There is 100x more thought in this post than half of the players have expressed in the whole game.

On July 31 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:
And so we end up at:

If we mislynch today then we need to cop check Rayn.

Which is where I started

On July 31 2013 02:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, why the fuck are people not looking at JAT? This guy made a SCUM SLIP? Anyone want to explain to me how this guy isn't 100% confirmed mafia?

On July 31 2013 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, FT... please use your brain (if you are scum you are excused). I didn't scumslip.

On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
I really would like some opinions on my scum roleblocking and shooting vivax idea. If I'm overlooking facts it would be a waste of time looking into clarity now but if there's a good chance that this happened then I'm suspicious of him.