Titanic Mini Mafia!

On July 27 2013 10:56 exarezee wrote:
This talk of lurkers is really confusing me. I mean, we SHOULD all know better than to do this. Why is this even being discussed? If someone falls for the "trap" it's mostly due to naivety than anything else. I think we should move the discussion along.

As I have not played with you guys before, it is difficult to make tonal reads on Day 1. I already find a few people scummy: koshi and paperscraps. But this is only a slight lean, as i realize some people just post more "scumlike" than others.

On July 27 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote:
We're obviously not going to lynch a lurker Day 1. To do so would be a terrible play on the collective town's part. If we assume that it's a bad play to lynch a lurker, why are we discussing it? Do you want me to elaborate on why lynching a lurker is bad?

I said I have a slight scum read based on gut instinct and feel. I bunch this together into tonal reads. But like I said, it's very slight as I have not played with the players before. There is no need for me to start throwing evidence on people at the beginning of Day 1 (to be exact there is little evidence). My posts have been much better than some of the fluff already being made. I mean, I can go into more detail why I think koshi and paperscraps have posted more scumlike than others who have posted...but that post can wait.

On July 27 2013 11:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

But how are we going to be able to tell the scum lurkers from the town lurkers? We should just shoot them all!

Or we could get them drunk and get them to admit to being bad. Does this plan sound better?

Also:


Please and thank you.

On July 27 2013 11:31 exarezee wrote:
@Oatsmaster

The "trap" is for people to bait others into saying that lynching a lurker is a good play (when it is absolutely terrible).

The 1st problem with "lurkers" is that you don't know if somebody is actually lurking or just not on the thread in the game. Secondly, there is no direct correspondence between lurkers and scum. The town has only a limited number of lynches. These need to be used wisely and not used on someone who is not posting. 0 information is garnered by lynching someone who has no posts.

But to answer your question, I do not like it when people don't post. But what can you do? .

On July 27 2013 11:34 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

But if they lurk and don't post, how will we be able to tell the difference?
And nothing bad happens around me. Who am I?

On July 27 2013 11:36 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

But what if THAY ALL have little effort and little post count.
And you forgot to answer my question. Who am I?

On July 27 2013 11:42 VayneAuthority wrote:


im getting towncred from oats, dont worry

On July 27 2013 11:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
wait wat?? I thought posting random useless shit made people town to you.

Inconsistency spotted, must lynch oats.

On July 27 2013 11:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
How can you mistakenly post on a forum?

On July 27 2013 12:03 exarezee wrote:
LOL well played oatsmaster if he's scum. I won't be voting him anytime soon. His posts are not careful or calculated at all. I mean could be super scum meta...but I'll just put him in the clueless villager category for now.

On July 27 2013 12:09 exarezee wrote:


We have limited lynches. There is no evidence to support that lurkers are more likely scum than town. If we think both player A and player B both have the same chance to be scum, but player B has interactions with way more people...we want to lynch player B right?

On July 27 2013 13:09 exarezee wrote:
@Oatsmaster

so you would lynch a lurker over someone you think is scummier? I don't get it.

On July 27 2013 13:29 exarezee wrote:
How in the world does low post count = scummy. I really don't get it. Is that the trend on this site or something?

Because if that is the case...the scum players are god awful and have no idea how to adapt.

On July 27 2013 13:33 exarezee wrote:


I don't think this is the case unless the player is really bad. I don't think we want to assume some player is really bad.

On July 27 2013 13:36 exarezee wrote:


I've played several hundred games on the 2+2 poker forums.

Yes, I agree with you that if u know someone posts 15 pages as town and 4 as scum, and he posts 4 pages and not 15...then he is likely to be scum. However that does not fall under your plan to lynch all lurkers. I will also say that this player is a really bad scum player and needs to learn to post 15 pages like he does as town.

I'll take your example to the extreme. Let's say a guy posts 15 pages as scum and 4 as town, and he posts 4, You still want to lynch him?

hzflank United Kingdom. July 27 2013 17:21.
To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far:

On July 27 2013 22:16 exarezee wrote:


i would like to know your scum and town reads as you have talked to several people directly so far.

On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.

I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.

On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this:

So this is not serious at all?

Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).

On July 27 2013 23:19 justanothertownie wrote:
##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow
You earned it with your last post. I have to agree with you - Oats and Vayne both did not post useful things as of now.

On July 27 2013 23:08 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:


My vote still stands, and I believe that it is the correct one for this situation.

Oatsmaster is acting like scum. He is refusing to give us any decent information whatsoever, just mucking up the thread with sarcastic one-liners and not giving us any insight on his opinions or anything.

He is the perfect example of scum trying to blend in and be in the conversation, yet his words hold no meaning and are merely just filler. If you take them out, his filter is left with:



And that, my friends, is not someone I want to give rum to.

On July 28 2013 00:00 exarezee wrote:
I understand it's probably going to look pretty bad for me and potentially cost the town the game if both paper and tofu turn up town...but it's just crying that one of those two attempted a really poor attack at me in the hopes of garnering a following.

On July 27 2013 09:32 Paperscraps wrote:
...LYNCH ALL LURKERS, MUAHAHAHAH.

On July 28 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote:
@Oatsmaster

I don't believe one of the two to be scum because they voted for me. I'm looking at it through town eyes and their Complete Sequence of events doesn't make sense to me if BOTH are town...which leads to the next conclusion that one of them is scum. And I don't think they are both scum, because frankly it's too hard to pull this off.

If I look at the sequence of events with one of them being town and one being scum, it makes more sense to me.

On July 28 2013 00:26 exarezee wrote:
So the next question to me is: Well exarezee: What did they do that don't make sense to you?

I don't understand why tofu was debating lurkers with me.
I don't understand why tofu put a placeholder vote on me.
I don't understand why papers dropped in and put a vote on me.
I don't understand why tofu unvoted me and soft accused papers when i soft accused papers earlier.
I don't understand why papers unvoted me.

On July 28 2013 00:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats your case makes no sense to me, why do you think JAtownie is scum?

On July 28 2013 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:

So town doesn't play the game seriously? That's a weird stance to take. I think Paperscraps just saw an opportunity to park his vote without having to give a reason. Conveniently FirmTofu had just voted for exarezee shortly before.

Yes, he is generalising. He isn't saying anything new and doesn't take a stance on the subject at hand which is scummy in itself but even if it wasn't it is definitely not meant as a joke. He contradicts himself.

Concerning CJS i was leaning null/scummy that's correct. The reason for this was his filter which showed nothing but fluff.
He then went on and posted an accurate statement about Vayne and you (you both didn't contribute anything useful up to this point in time) which i quite liked and which therefore slightly changed my opinion of him. Why exactly is this a scumtell for you?

And no, i don't want to sheep CJS in the slightest. I won't do anything like that and your point about this is just garbage. Just because I agree with one of his posts doesn't mean I want to sheep him - you are just pulling that out of your ass.

So you think Paper is town? What about CJS?

On July 27 2013 23:19 justanothertownie wrote:
##Captain: Captain Jack Sparrow
You earned it with your last post. I have to agree with you - Oats and Vayne both did not post useful things as of now.

On July 28 2013 01:01 Clarity_nl wrote:


I happen to agree that vayne has done nothing and that before you made that case you had done nothing.
So what is left, he nitpicks stuff during the first 12 hours of the game? Please explain why that is scummy.

On July 28 2013 01:01 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Oatsmaster, I think you are being very hasty in calling out JAT because he was simply saying that he agreed with my post (and you even quoted the wrong post, well done). He wasn't sheeping off of me, he was simply stating that he agreed with me. There's nothing truly scummy in that.

The real reason you called him scum was because he said he agreed with me when I said I thought you were scum. You called him out because you are scared, Oatsmaster, and for no other reason. Why are you so scared to get lynched?

On July 28 2013 01:11 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Right now, I'm leaning towards you being scum. I'm trying to figure out whether Vayne is stupid or scum, and I'm leaning towards stupid.

I'd also like to point out that a lot of people have not posted to a satisfactory level, and any one of them could be scum lurking in the shadows. We have quite a ways to go before anyone dies, so a lot of things can change.

On July 28 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Sorry, but agreeing with someone on one particular subject is not the same as sheeping him. Or do we have a very different understanding of this term?

Regarding Papers: The contradiction I meant ist still the point that he claims everything he said was a joke and the part I quoted is surely not

.
Why would scum not vote so carelessly if it makes them look townie to people like you?

On July 28 2013 01:13 hzflank wrote:
Oats, they have already posted that. Clarity thinks that Tofu is scum and CJS thinks that Oats is scum.

On July 28 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote:


I'm not buying it, I understand that argument when you cherrypick a 10 page filter but it was like 12 hours into the game or something.

Anyway, other than Tofu? I dunno, there's a lot of people who have contributed nothing or the minimum and I'm kinda getting worried this is just gonna be a town on town shitfest.
What makes you say vayne is town?

On July 28 2013 01:16 Clarity_nl wrote:


What? Nothing else makes him scum he hasn't done anything else.
You're asking silly questions.

On July 28 2013 01:16 hzflank wrote:


I do not agree with this at all. Playing around is not an alignment tell. It is just as easy to make jokes or think things are jokes as either alignment. It might be a personality tell, but that is all.

On July 28 2013 01:17 Koshi wrote:

That is very very wrong.

On July 28 2013 01:19 Clarity_nl wrote:


Thought you were talking about my "vote post"
Anyway, your answers are still in my case.
You're just asking everyone every question you can think of, how is this helping anyone.

On July 28 2013 01:21 Koshi wrote:

Vayne cares about how he looks? Nope. Just nope.

On July 28 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:

Why would a townie freak out like that and take back everything he said? It doesn't make him 100% scum but until the point i made the post in question he contradicting himself was the scummiest thing existing in the thread for me.

So you know how scum thinks?

On July 28 2013 01:24 Koshi wrote:

Indeed. Always and ever. You can't say he isn't scum because he is "too scummy to be scum" that shit doesn't fly with Vayne and you should know it.

On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote:
Let's talk people that look bad atm.
justanothertownie

Horrible first post.
Horrible second post.
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On July 28 2013 01:30 Clarity_nl wrote:


How is anyone supposed to know when you spam the next two pages with one liner questions that have nothing to do with your case and you don't follow up?
Your case is also pretty poor

On July 28 2013 01:30 Koshi wrote:

Nope. I have recently played with Vayne 3 times now and he doesn't care about himself ever. He doesn't martyr though. Just bad posts. Always.
It's also easy to change styles, I think VA is smart enough to not go "shitposting = I am town", "contentposting = I am scum".

There is no reason for you to say VA is town because he is shitposting. That's defending VA without reason. Don't do it. It's bad.

On July 28 2013 01:33 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Because you are too lazy to do it yourself?

On July 28 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
This post seems to indicate he's town:

On July 28 2013 01:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Oats come on... i agreed with him saying Vayne and you both didn't do shit until then - that's all. Stop misrepresenting things like that.

On July 28 2013 01:38 Clarity_nl wrote:


Two town players cant have different viewpoints?
That post makes no sense from a scum viewpoint, especially the last line. What scum says "I don't think he believes in it himself"

On July 28 2013 01:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Way to exaggerate Oats... i said he looks more like town. How could you interpret that as:
You make no sense man...

On July 28 2013 01:40 Clarity_nl wrote:


Saying my case is bad or that FT looks town can be said by both scum and town,saying "I don't think he believes in his own case" seems like a conclusion you can't really get to as scum.
Doesn't matter that he's wrong

On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:


The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise.

On July 28 2013 01:47 Koshi wrote:
Oats you are posting way too much mate. At this point you are hurting town.

On July 28 2013 01:51 justanothertownie wrote:


Oats is really doing his best in this regard...
So, oats which part of your case do you want me to adress?

As for scumreads:

Paper still looks scummy to me for the same reasons i mentioned before.
You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case.

I don't have any other scumreads as of yet. There are plenty of people who didn't contribute nearly enough to really judge them based on their posts.

On July 28 2013 01:53 Koshi wrote:

You made a case 1 hour ago. Since then you have made around 35 other posts. Not too much on that case, but way much on arguing with 1 liners about a lot of crap. Some of it is useful but most of it is just spamming the thread.

I wanted to make a case on Clarity harddefending justanothertownie, but at this point I don't know if clarity is doing that because he is scum or because he wants you to be wrong. Look at your own filter. It's getting insane. 1 good case followed by 35 one liners.

On July 28 2013 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:

Sigh. Because you try to make it look like you are really contributing and scumhunting while you just repeat the same things all over again without bringing any good points.
Let's just assume i was not in the game - who would you want to lynch?

To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far:

On July 28 2013 02:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


I've made this mistake before in a game where I called someone town because he, for like 72 hours, with one scum left in the game, would not stop talking about setup speculation. I thought he couldnt possibly be this obvious so this is just a dumb townie. Turns out he was the last scum.

Am I saying oats is scum? Not really.... but he did make the last 2-3 pages a complete clusterfuck which is anti town behavior and if he continues we should lynch or vigi that shit.
Oats, you can ask questions and push stuff without making everything around you a slog to read through.

On July 28 2013 02:12 hzflank wrote:


While you may have some points regarding my first post, the above comment is absolute rubbish. Not only have I been happy to step on toes but I have been very obvious about it.

Also, when you say my whole filter, did you miss the parts where I question people in an attempt to move things along?

On July 28 2013 04:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm null on JAT right now. He has me as a town read but a lot of his filter looks like he's trying to "fit in". Like he said himself, his filter isn't that big. I think if we get him to start positing more, it'll be easy to determine his alignment.

No, I would not lynch him today Oats. Not unless you make a good case against him.

On July 28 2013 14:35 VayneAuthority wrote:


sorry but you can't trick me into contradicting myself =) I have quite a few scum reads but it's not worth it to give them out on day 1.

There is no bigger picture. Just take what I said at face value and approach the game like paperscraps doesn't exist for a second.

On July 28 2013 15:33 Paperscraps wrote:
@Oatsmaster
I would like to hear your read on FT. I am bit cross at the moment. Tofu had no reason to defend me early on. If he were scum, what is the motivation behind doing this. He could actually town read me and scum read exar or being trying to look town by defending me. What are your thoughts?

@Malongo
Good to see you posting. I am curious, do you have any town reads so far?

On July 28 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:

No, I didn't say JAT having a town read on me is a town tell. That's simply untrue. I said he has me as a town read. Now, scum usually have some town as town reads. That is not meaningful in itself, however, when it's coupled with the fact that he has a lot of posts that indicate that his town read on me is somewhat justifiable from a town perspective. If you would like, I'll quote them for you.

I'm not going to sheep you if you make a good case. I'll consider voting him if you make a good case. There's a big difference there.

On July 28 2013 04:39 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm null on JAT right now. He has me as a town read but a lot of his filter looks like he's trying to "fit in".

On July 28 2013 20:49 hzflank wrote:


That's a really good question. When Oats made his case against JAT it was actually a pretty good case and I was a little surprised that it did not gather more support or at least positive comments. JAT's filter starts bad and does not get a lot better.

I think the reason that I have been giving JAT the benefit of doubt is because for most of the game I really have not trusted Oats. I did consider moving my vote to JAT but I wanted Paper to post before I moved my vote.

Looking without any associations then JAT seems like scum to me.

In fact, the thing that confuses me most about this game so far is that more people did not vote for JAT and then Oats moved his vote off of JAT when he did. I am not going to be able to figure out why this happened until I see some flips, though.

On July 28 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Nah I don't think FT is scum anymore yo. I'm having issues with paper, yes he looks scummy but there's never been any pushbacks up until now, when suddenly and FT wagon is being formed (which makes sense, his posting is kinda scummy)

It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes.

On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote:
Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town.

Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT.

On July 28 2013 23:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

On July 28 2013 23:07 hzflank wrote:




That information was all available before you voted for FT. Are you not reading the thread properly again, Oats? You cannot change your mind based on information that was available before you formed the original opinion.

On July 28 2013 23:14 hzflank wrote:


A simple scum reasoning could be because you thought that you had more chance to secure a lynch on JAT than on FT.

On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote:

My current lynchpool:
raynpelikoneet
Malongo
VayneAuthority
Stutters695

I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day:
hzflank

On July 28 2013 23:29 hzflank wrote:


At the time that you posted it looked a lot easier to secure a lynch on JAT than FT. As well as Vivax, Clairty and I would not of voted FT but may have voted JAT.



It would not be the best scum play as you ideally would not want your target (JAT) to be lynched while eyes are also on a scum-buddy. It's not an impossible scum play though, just very difficult to pull off well (get a third party lynched).

I'll concede on that last point as there would be no reason for scum to make such a big play on day 1.

Still, why are you so sure that Paper is town?

On July 28 2013 23:58 Koshi wrote:
Weren't you 2 giving me a bad time 15 minutes ago for wanting to lynch a lurker?

On July 29 2013 00:00 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

What the fuck Oatsmaster? You can't have fucking double standards.

On July 29 2013 00:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Fuck this game.

On July 29 2013 01:03 exarezee wrote:
meh, don't really see why smurfs are allowed in games. gives the smurf too much of an advantage.

On July 29 2013 01:16 exarezee wrote:


is it against forum rules to link to another forum?

On July 29 2013 01:37 Koshi wrote:

I feel like being countvoncount this game.
I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious.
Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me.

On July 29 2013 11:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are bad Oats.

Oatsmaster - Has about 25% of the posts in this game. When Oats posts shitton he is town. Is also making sense.

On July 29 2013 13:55 FirmTofu wrote:

I'm not tunneling him. I don't even have him as confirmed scum like I used to. I just think the flip incriminates him because he was the instigator of the lynch. Are you saying he's 100% town?

Doubtful.

On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch?

On July 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote:
##unvote
##vote: Paperscraps

Still open to switching if 8 people are here.

On July 29 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Actually when i got to do my stuff for a while i wanted to lynch Koshi and not FT.. What did you do then? Oh i remember, you didn't give a shit about who we lynch.

On July 29 2013 22:51 Malongo wrote:
So "this guy is not that bad so he is mafia" is a valid argument now. Seems to be the trend.

On July 29 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:
This too dumb to be scum is annoying me. My reads are being very hot last couple of days. I don't think

Currently lynchstreak:
3 correct scums (reads before flip) on I swear 2. Voted Artanis (as second) and then put last 2 on top of my list in the night.
2 correct scums in Sicilian (SnB, Kyronne)
Correct about town on paper in this game
Correct about you being town in Sicilian (that one took a while)

I am feeling pretty good about the current lynch target as well. So this too dumb to be scum is just silly. I am not too dumb sorry. Put me on your scum list. Thank you.

On July 29 2013 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also never wanted to lynch Paper. I put my vote on him because there was already a majority on him, it was 3minutes to the deadline, and i can be wrong about him too and didn't want people to screw around the lynch.

Imagine what would be going on now if i had not voted for him. I can do that for you Oats. Knowing you you would be screaming now that Paper & Vivax are confirmed scum. If Vivax is in fact town that's a really shitty situation, and that's why i don't understand his unvote.

It's pretty clear what my intentions were around the lynch and you are bad because you are unable to understand them.

I don't know who i want to lynch now. The good thing is i don't have to until tomorrow.

On July 29 2013 22:59 Koshi wrote:

So wait.. Too dumb to be scum is actually a compliment because it would be dumb for me to play scum like I am doing now? Because it is 100% townie and I am finding the right scumtargets?

On July 29 2013 23:05 Malongo wrote:


And your thoughts on hz and VA?

On July 29 2013 23:09 Malongo wrote:

Would you rather lynch Vivax or Koshi?

On July 29 2013 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats why would JAT post this when he is one of the main candidates for being lynched:

He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia.

And this:

This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game?

On July 29 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:


Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like.

He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well.

What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing.

On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?

On July 29 2013 23:17 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:

Could you answer the second part of my question, Oats?

On July 29 2013 23:19 Vivax wrote:


And you think bad tunneling townies forget their reasons for calling someone scum like that?
How is it tunneling anyway if he throws away his case to weaken his own read of PS?

He could have gone like: "Joke post or not, he's still scum for the other reasons I mentioned". That would have been tunneling townie.
Instead he doesn't care about his OWN REASONS.
How is that even tunneling townie.
Jesus christ, Oats.

How do you explain he's ignoring Vayne for posting trash when saying this:

On July 29 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So your argument is that he is not new and lying about it. Do you have any proof that supports that?

On July 29 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?

The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.

On July 29 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore.

On July 29 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote:

I don't know. That's the problem. It's crazy. I know of 1. But we don't agree even though my case is so compelling. I shall make a compilation before the night ends. Vivax is pushing me to look at clarity and XRZ but if they join hz in a scumteam this is the most incredible scumteam ever. Imagine you joining them. jeezus.

On July 29 2013 23:35 hzflank wrote:


I do not agree with this. I know that this is going to make me look arrogant, but Oats you were obs in the first and only game that I played scum, and I faked a scum-slip find at the very start of day 2 in that game.

FT has a lot more experience than I do. It is not that hard to fake, in my opinion.

On July 29 2013 23:42 Koshi wrote:
Here is the scumteam:

1) hzflank
2) Oatsmaster
3) XRZ

You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave.

On July 29 2013 23:47 hzflank wrote:


FT's was better than mine, but I am still not willing to think that someone is solidly town due one single point or post. Basically, I do not believe in Town-slips.

On July 29 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats what do you think of Vivax making the same case on exarezee that FT made on D1 and not commenting the case then in any way?

On July 29 2013 23:50 Koshi wrote:

All scum that I lynched said that right before they flipped.

On July 29 2013 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Really? There is nothing odd in him wanting to lynch XRZ now but not on D1 when the same reasons he is calling him scum for were in the thread?

On July 29 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The fact that he magically missed that point about XRZ on D1. Instead he was calling FT scummy. Now he want's to lynch FT's target based on FT's reasons...

On July 30 2013 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax has not read FT's posts closely on D1, which makes no sense as he was calling him scum

On July 30 2013 00:16 hzflank wrote:


Oats, when you get the chance I would like you to go back this and elaborate. Or even just tell me if this still holds true now (only an hour later, I know). Do you you think Exar is town or scum right now?

On July 30 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Vivax was gonna lynch him. What is the best possible way to buy town cred if you hit him? Right, by fakeclaiming RB'd.

On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote:

If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green.

On July 30 2013 13:10 Stutters695 wrote:
Care to justify that at all oats or are you just throwing retarded theories around?

On July 30 2013 13:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
at this point we can at least agree oats that malongo and JAT are not scum together, but one of them is pretty obviously scum.

On July 30 2013 13:17 Stutters695 wrote:

No, the part where you say to lynch me after Mal.

Regarding my town read on Rayn: I'm pretty bad at reading him TBH. I generally have a solid town read on him if he is there. If he is lurking he's probably scum, but what convinced me he was town was his list post. Unlike 99% of list posts that just say "I think this dude is scum because he lurks." Not only was his reasoning very similar to my thought process(outside of the discussion him and I had about a select few) he clearly was putting a significant amount of effort into the post and wanted to follow up on questions.

On July 30 2013 13:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Why would I do that as scum? If I don't waffle on PS I don't draw attention to myself and I still accomplish the same goal in that case of lynching a townie.

I defended myself because I had two people pushing me as scum. If I didn't defend myself you/Hz accuse me if being scum for ignoring you. If I defend, you say what you did. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

I think I explained my thoughts pretty damn well on FT. The dude is scum, read it and see for yourself. If you want I can give you my top three but I generally prefer to focus one at a time.

I also have explained my motivation for lynching despite my town read towards the end. Have you even been reading the thread?

And whether you see it or not, that was the towniest post in the thread imo. I stand by that read unless something drastic happens.

On July 30 2013 16:31 Koshi wrote:
hahaha. yeah. Why so funny oats?

On July 30 2013 16:32 Koshi wrote:
You are playing it very well.

On July 30 2013 16:35 Koshi wrote:
Got to make all the town wagons.

On July 30 2013 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So it was fake after all. Thought so.

So why should I vote Malongo?

On July 30 2013 16:52 Koshi wrote:

please read the thread.

On July 30 2013 16:53 Koshi wrote:
Fucking JAT is being wagoned because he said the fake might be fake?

Because scum would be so stupid to fucking roleblock everybody and then say "omg vayne your fake is fake"

On July 30 2013 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So it was fake after all. Thought so.

why you thought the claim might be fake.

On July 30 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote:
First lynch --> XRZ
After that we can decide on
Oats
Hz
and Stutters

Stutters is in fact the most obvious NK target anyway.

On July 30 2013 21:48 hzflank wrote:


Because your entire point against Malongo revolves around his reaction to the cop claim. Based on Malongo's personality, his reaction to the cop claim is exactly what he would do if he were town.

On July 30 2013 21:59 hzflank wrote:


It's not that he made the case. As Vivax asked me, do you think that case was made by scum? Read it carefully.

Also consider Stutter's posts on day 2. They are town.

On July 30 2013 22:17 hzflank wrote:


I don;t play by gut feelings. I read that post by Stutter's at least 5 times and I tried to read it from a scum pov and a town pov. It is unlikely that post came from a scum pov.

On July 30 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think both of Stutters / JAT are town? Like, i could see that as possible, but Koshi's N1 posts feel townie to me. He is pushing a conspiracy theory that makes no sense but i think he genuinely believes in it.

On July 30 2013 22:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Oats, why?

Also Koshi what made you change from me being scum to town over the last couple of pages?

On July 30 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno Oats, Stutters´ case on FT is spot on. Can you comment on FT and what i said about him?

On July 30 2013 22:45 hzflank wrote:
I think that this is worth more discussion:



RB cannot stop dayVig anyway. If Clarity is town then scum must of thought he was the most likely cop or doctor.

On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote:

Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me.

On July 31 2013 00:34 Malongo wrote:

Player A: hey VA im dt checked malongo he is mafia
VA: o shit if I dont call this out im going to be called out myself
MA is hit
VA:ok player A contacted me and claimed faking this so he is mafia.=> town gets a confirmed mafia.

On July 31 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote:

Welcome to 24h ago.

If we mislynch today then we need a cop check on Rayn night 2. A guilty check on Rayn means Vayne is likely GF. If we mislynch and Rayn goes unchecked then he just flat out wins if he is scum.

On July 31 2013 01:13 hzflank wrote:

The actions of Rayn and Vayne around the fake cop check lead me to believe that they are likely the same alignment. Vayne should not of pulled that stunt as scum unless he is the GF.

On July 31 2013 17:32 Koshi wrote:

You are saying that both me and Malongo are scum? And we were both making cases on hz while there was a perfect good Paper wagon for us to be on?

We would be playing pretty bad as scum.