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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: ##vote : hzflank I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. Not good enough. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Paper rejoins the game with a big post that is basically just a list of town reads. He does not provide particularly good reasons for his town reads. This is scummy through and through. I dont care about a list of his town reads, I want to know who he thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. I already pointed out a specific thing that I did not like about this, which can be seen in this exchange. I encourage you all to read it from post 493 to 503. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=25#493 Paper's excuse for the inconstancy was that he did not read properly, but it was not one of those moments where you can tell that he was obviously being truthful. Paper refused to answer any of my questions. How am I possibly supposed to get a town read on him when he does not answer my questions? If Paper were town then he would of answered them as honestly as possible. Also, what does this actually tell us? It's pure fluff in an attempt to pad a post that contains zero useful information for town. On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. In general I have no idea how Paper even arrived at the useless town reads in that post because he did not explain them in a townie way. In addition, when Paper is pushed and finally gives us a scum read it is this: On July 28 2013 13:32 Paperscraps wrote: Right now I would lynch Vivax followed by JAT. Vivax's push on Vayne seems like an excuse to just put a vote up. JAT hasn't added anything new to the thread. He has just regurgitated other people's FoSes in his own words. The only good thing JAT has done is nominate Jack for captain,  I would like rayn and Malongo to post more, before I actually made a decision. Also I disagree on your read of Oats, I think he has contributed and I lean town on him. You should read through Vayne's filter, he posts some really good stuff if you look for it. I don't see him flipping scum right now. He gives us a single sentence as to why he wants to lynch Vivax. A single sentence in a game with 400+ posts to use for information. Then he adds a second scum read. He never actually pushes either of these reads at all. Not once does he even direct a post at Vivax or JAT. Paper later says that he has changed his mind about me and thinks I may be scum. I engage him in conversation (linked above) and he does not even try to push his read on me at all. If Paper actually had a scum read on me then why did that conversation go as it did? How is any of this not scummy? How can people be saying that Paper's filter looks town? | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote: How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? | ||
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote: hey hey exarezee, why dont you think the actions surrounding your case and his response does not make him town? think you left out a key player name or something here. | ||
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote: Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why. No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that. It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today". By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though. | ||
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Vivax
21716 Posts
Found him kinda scummy since the thing with stutters, where he used one argument on paperscraps but not on me. I need still to analyze his other posts more properly though. I suggest that's a good place to start looking if you want to find something weird about hz. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
When paper flips town man. You guys gonna be sad. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote: Right now im interested into knowing who hzflanks other three scumspects are, if he has any besides paperscraps. Found him kinda scummy since the thing with stutters, where he used one argument on paperscraps but not on me. I need still to analyze his other posts more properly though. I suggest that's a good place to start looking if you want to find something weird about hz. I think I have made that fairly clear already and it would be based on associations after Paper's flip. I am perfectly willing to answer your question, but first I would like you to answer mine. Why do you want to know my other scum reads while I am obviously pushing hard on Paper? What benefit goes that give you or the town? | ||
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Vivax
21716 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:33 Clarity_nl wrote: Vivax why is paper town? The thing i found kinda townie is how he treated people of the nullish category more favourably than not. Scum needs to paint people scummy and get a mislynch, being easy going on potential mislynches is something that works against that objective, in case they need to switch to them later, or start a counterwagon. | ||
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Vivax
21716 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:39 hzflank wrote: I think I have made that fairly clear already and it would be based on associations after Paper's flip. I am perfectly willing to answer your question, but first I would like you to answer mine. Why do you want to know my other scum reads while I am obviously pushing hard on Paper? What benefit goes that give you or the town? I want to know if you're trying to figure out the game or just pushing a lynch from an easy tunnel. You tend to paint whatever ps does in unfavourable light, and seem to ignore other possibilities. It's my current subjective impression of your play, and i will reinforce it or correct it when i have the chance to post from a more comfortable place later. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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exarezee
United States423 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that. It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today". By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though. Why would you not want a scum/scum wagon? (Even though I don't think paper/tofu is scum/scum but possible). YOU, knowing you are a town would rather chance someone else's scum read getting lynched than your own? You don't know if he has any agenda or not! Of course if you only have one scumread then you just push your single read. This is different after Day 1 when some people flips and you know if you can give more credence to someone's picks. This is just not logical that you would not want two people you think scum not to be the wagons. Of course once my goal of the two wagons is done, I can sit back. How does this make me scummy? I've already identified the best two lynch candidates in Day 1. In an extreme example, suppose I know for certain that both paper and tofu are scum. Should I not want both of them on the wagon? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Exarezee. Calm the fuck down and relax. Now tell the thread how FT is scum even though his reaction to finding a scumslip is incredibly townie. Or is nothing totally townie in your world? Where scum always play perfectly? | ||
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