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Would have faked it a bit if this wasn't the first post on a page. So sad. I mean Why did Leo have to die. They could have fit both on that piece of wood Fuck mythbusters It could have happened They would have lived happily ever after *cries himself to sleep* | ||
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On July 27 2013 09:01 Vivax wrote: Hi guys, I propose that we lynch the lurkiest guy D1.Obviously if someone looks really scummy then we lynch him first, but if that's not the case then we lynch the guy with the least posts. I think scum really likes to post as few as possible. I know that's gonna look kinda scummy, but I'm going to bed now. Gn! 1 | ||
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Paperscraps FirmTofu Oatsmaster People I don't want to lynch day 1 reads exarezee Vivax Clarity_nl hzflank | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Explain the tofu read. Vayne is town for not giving a fuck how he looks. That is very very wrong. | ||
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FT is always looking scum on day 1. Everytime, always. Give him a day to prove himself. I am not saying don't follow his actions, but I have seen FT play town 3 times now, and each time he is capable to make his first post look insanely scummy. Last game he fell for the Kenpachi rule, the game before that he made a "FT kickstarter" post and got so much flak for it he posted his role PM to prove he was town and got modkilled. Give FT some time, and look somewhere else for the time being. | ||
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Vayne cares about how he looks? Nope. Just nope. | ||
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Indeed. Always and ever. You can't say he isn't scum because he is "too scummy to be scum" that shit doesn't fly with Vayne and you should know it. | ||
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justanothertownie Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8 | ||
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Nope. I have recently played with Vayne 3 times now and he doesn't care about himself ever. He doesn't martyr though. Just bad posts. Always. It's also easy to change styles, I think VA is smart enough to not go "shitposting = I am town", "contentposting = I am scum". There is no reason for you to say VA is town because he is shitposting. That's defending VA without reason. Don't do it. It's bad. | ||
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I know, but since then you posted another 20 times. Let's go back to that case and let's all discuss it! Clarity. You don't think that justanothertownie has a bad filter? He says FT his filter looks town. You should have been on his ass for that. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I really don't think you can call VA any sort of smart after his last few posts... We can be really good friends this game. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote: He's no shining beacon of green but I don't think he has a decent chance of flipping red, no. This post seems to indicate he's town: How does that look town when you think the opposite? You say that you are scum? | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Nope. Why do people always bring up this 'hurting' town thing. I dont get it. Nothing that creates more content is hurting town. You made a case 1 hour ago. Since then you have made around 35 other posts. Not too much on that case, but way much on arguing with 1 liners about a lot of crap. Some of it is useful but most of it is just spamming the thread. I wanted to make a case on Clarity harddefending justanothertownie, but at this point I don't know if clarity is doing that because he is scum or because he wants you to be wrong. Look at your own filter. It's getting insane. 1 good case followed by 35 one liners. | ||
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5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl I already forgot why | ||
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On July 28 2013 02:13 Oatsmaster wrote: So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum. Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to draw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum. Again you defend Vayne for some meta bullshit. My current lynchpool 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl Oatsmaster I already forgot why[/QUOTE] | ||
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On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote: WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this? That looks pretty okish. He meant that the town/town wagon hz spoke of is clearly not a town/town wagon at all. He just says that he is scum because he is pushing that wagon. | ||
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Still around 30 hours left to see some posts from the inactives. | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. | ||
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On July 28 2013 17:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Malongo are you serious right now? Koshi, + Show Spoiler + do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him.... On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8 You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him. On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote: Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling. Who do you currently want to lynch? In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently. My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make. | ||
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On July 28 2013 18:58 hzflank wrote: So what is up with the Oats + Paper + Vayne circle jerk? These guys have all acted like the have strong town reads throughout the entire game and I would go as far as to say it looks like they may have been carefully defending each other throughout the entire game. Can anyone other than Oats and Vayne give me a good reason to move my vote off of Paper? /agreed It's strange. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list. Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I kinda want to lynch Koshi now. I can't explain him not giving a read with reasons as town, but I can't explain it if he's scum either. Doesn't make sense as either alignment = scum. What's this random mention of vigi? If you were vigi (which is town only) why would you shoot someone trying to lynch you, or why would the person trying to lynch you be afraid of that. I'm confused. Here is a game for you with hzflank as scum. The guy can make a million posts, make sense and still be scum. I see him playing the same game here, but this time I don't agree with his case. But I am not saying he is scum, he can be town, I just put him under investigation. I have read everybody his posts. I do not find somebody lynchworthy for Day 1. That's how I feel, if you don't like it. Bad fucking luck. Also, I am waiting on Vivax to name the scums. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:00 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: What the fuck Oatsmaster? You can't have fucking double standards. I am ok with it... It's just funny. | ||
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I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. | ||
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1. hzflank 2. Stutters 3. VA People Koshi can agree upon: 4.Malongo People Koshi won't lynch ever: 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 | ||
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On July 29 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi, why are you making lists in this game and in NONE of your other games? Why are you not providing much reasoning for any of those reads. Why do you not seem to care who dies? I feel like being countvoncount this game. I gave reasoning for all my names. Or it is obvious. Why should I care? I would like it to be scum, I would really like it to be not me. | ||
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On July 29 2013 01:03 exarezee wrote: meh, don't really see why smurfs are allowed in games. gives the smurf too much of an advantage. Are you and JAT friends? | ||
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On July 29 2013 01:46 hzflank wrote: I might be reading too much into this, but that may be a trap aimed at me. Koshi knows that scum-me would jump on him for that but not push it too hard, because it would be too easy to just let townies finish him. I think I have figured out Koshi's play this game. Since out last game together he now checks under the bed for me before he goes to sleep. You were quite scary in that game. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:02 hzflank wrote: So what are you doing this game? If you are town then you must realise that you position is becoming increasingly precarious. As town you are currently an easy lynch target that anyone can attack and anyone can vote for without even looking at all scummy. That is not a good position for a townie to get into. I am trying to figure out your gameplan here but the best I can see is that you have some kind of meta-vendatta against me and just want to catch me out as scum. You were better than this in the previous game. You must appreciate that if I cannot figure out how you are playing to win as town then it looks a lot like you are playing to win as scum. And do not tell me that you are not playing to win as I do not buy that sort of thing at all. Whose filters have you read recently? Did you find anything interesting? Do you have any in-game reasons for wanting to lynch me? Nono. I am not out for you. I just find it a similar playstyle. You don't agree? Also there is no reason for bad blood between us. SK killed me right? I loved your game. I just want the same to happen here. You know. Because I am town. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote: Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me? You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper? I said I dislike it. Paper looks cool. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote: That is not what I asked. What do you think of the reasons as to why I think Paper is scum? I think there is a chance that you are tunneling paper to prove you are scumhunting and to hide your reads on other people. Because it is hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum. Hence my vote and shizzle. | ||
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On July 29 2013 03:24 hzflank wrote: And what makes it more likely that I am doing that than actually just pushing my scum read? Is this your first game as scum, Koshi? Personally, I did not find it hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum, but judging by what you have posted so far in this game it seems that you do. Still, that is the best reason for me being scum that you have posted so far. Why did it take you so long to post that reason? It's not exactly an original reason either as it is basically what Vivax said earlier. If you are town then I still do not understand your game plan. Are you so confident that you knew that I would question you so that you could push your read on me that way? I did not see you asking a lot of questions to me. If you are town then you should be pushing me at this point. You truly are apathetic towards the lynch, though. Give me one good reason as to why you are not scum? Unicorns. | ||
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You don't think JAT is new to the game? | ||
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I shall continue later. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:32 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 05:22 Koshi wrote: Vivax You don't think JAT is new to the game? Is he? Even if he was, it still wouldn't explain why he lists Oats as read he disagrees with but never attacks him. If he's town and deliberately not openly talking about the players he finds suspicious, but lists them as not-town as means to attack somebody else, then he must be not just super newb, but super newb not wanting to play or solve the game. Koshi, you included him in your list and then retreated from it, mind telling me what you initially found scummy about his first two posts, and what changed your opinion later? + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote: Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Like I said before. He reminds me of myself when I didn't know how to start playing in a game. You read the tread but you got 0 clues what to do. The thing you do then is read what other people think and try to verify that, JAT read what hzflank said about paper and then tried to make a case around that. The second post is him trying to find a townie. The problem I had with that post is that I didn't find FT his filter that town looking. But that was before I saw that JAT is probably new to the game opposed to being scum. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: You should not bother if you can't make a rock-solid case. In any ways i'm interested in hearing what you have against him. What do you think about his "Oats case" post? I put that in the same category as: "scum would never dare to lead a wagon." | ||
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That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"? I got same feeling bro. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't understand. Did you just claim mafia? HOW? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Oh sorry. I misread the last line. I thought you were saying you are thinking what i said there. :D But please elaborate. You got a feeling that i am mafia? Why? Not you. hzflank... | ||
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That being said. I'll make a case. But because it is day 1. It will not come down on hz being obvious scum. I can tell you that already. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 17:21 hzflank wrote: First impressions: I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one. Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far. That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads. This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason. I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post. Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was: There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town. This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town. To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far: ##vote: Paperscraps Now to me those first posts of Paper (read the paper filter not only the posts hz quotes) are pretty much null, or maybe even leaning town as he is playing this game and not taking it too serious yet. After a couple posts paper even apologizes for making the joke posts and is willing to make more serious posts, which he did. Now, after this one would remove this vote on paper in case it was a pressure vote right? Nope, hz doesn't. Why not I ask you? In the spoiler below hz says that he would change his opinion on Paper, But let's be honest hz is not going to to that. He even puts a scumvote out of the fucking blue on oats because oats defends paper. But then decided to not posts a case on oats because it wasn't a good case. (as if this ever stopped hz) + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. Another remarkable thing is how hz interacts with me. It's gut but it's not towny for me. I don't have the time to provide the quotes but it comes down on hz saying that I am a null read. It obviously isn't that simple but meh. Something else that bugs me is that hz does treat anybody the same as paper. hz does not tunnel anybody else, but hz makes sure he has conversations/discussions with everybody. Hz steps on clarity his toes a bit, maybe a bit on vayne, maybe a bit on oats. But is it on the same level as paper? Not even close. There is a lot of thread control coming from hz, but is it is rarely about finding scum outside the paper case. Obviously hz asks a lot of questions and makes comments on other people their cases. But is it really pushing to find other scums? I would say no. Not at all. | ||
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Something else that bugs me is that hz does not treat anybody the same as paper. hz does not tunnel anybody else, but hz makes sure he has conversations/discussions with everybody. Hz steps on clarity his toes a bit, maybe a bit on vayne, maybe a bit on oats. But is it on the same level as paper? Not even close. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote: He wants to push HIS wagon over other peoples wagons? The scummy bastard. That's not the point. The point is he is not interested in finding other scums and is controlling the thread to make sure the atmosphere is not ideal to find other scums. How many people here don't lean scum on paper? Oats exarezee Malongo Myself. hz keeps shooting everything down and pushes 1 fucking wagon. Who of us is so fucking certain about 1 wagon that he is almost blinded towards all other wagons. | ||
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Before you all go crazy and stuff. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi you can't lynch more than 1 scum / day. There is no reason to push multiple lynches by yourself. You want to find them don't you? If you can? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote: Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol, you don't want your top scumread to contribute? wtf, maybe we should lynch Koshi. You fuckers aren't lynching him. So why should he hurry? please stfu rayn. Last time you were yelling lynch koshi, koshi was lynching your scum teammate. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:03 hzflank wrote: I did not think that Paper was scummy 40 hours ago. I disliked that he said that everything he had posted up until a point should be ignored so I voted for him. I made multiple posts which included something hinting that my vote was flexible. I fully intended to move my vote once Paper posted again, but then his posts made me think that he actually was scum. You think I have tunneled Paper all game? What on earth do you think my conversation with you was about? You think that I was scum setting you up for a mislynch, right? I say that I was town trying to open you up to get a read on you. I was attacking you, and therefore not tunneling Paper. Which ones? After that he made his list right? | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be more precise. You don't want your top scumread to contribute towards your other scumread. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi That's enough bullshit. Paper has never been my scumread. Ohhh you are a funny one! | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:05 hzflank wrote: Also Koshi, imagine that I am town for a second and give me one good reason why town-hz should of unvoted Paper at any point during this game. Paper certainly did not give me a reason to move my vote. Some other people came close, but without Paper also helping them it was not enough. I just f ind it strange that town-hz never used that vote to pressure other scumreads, and I am having problems thinking that town-hz wasn't able to pressure anybody else this game with the 100 posts he made. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:07 hzflank wrote: It started with the list. You seen so sure of how I play this game so you should have noticed that when I think that someone is scum I start to ask them questions directly. When I was questioning Paper I was trying to get a better read on him. If he had given me good answers I may not have thought that he was scum. Why do you think I get annoyed when people ignore my direct questions? Why do you think that I go out of my way to answer questions directed at me? This is Mafia 101 here. Malongo quoted a post in which paper responded to you. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:11 Clarity_nl wrote: No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2. You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit. THAT'S NOT THE POINT MALONGO MAKES | ||
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Look I am out of this thread. Looks like we will lynch paper. I will add my vote if it is needed. I will check back 1 hour from now. Maybe you guys are right. I don't believe it. But meh. Also, Vivax and VA are nowhere to be seen in the heat of battle. I noted that down as well! | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:42 exarezee wrote: @Koshi could you explain your case against JAT? Why are his 1st 2 posts bad? On July 29 2013 05:42 Koshi wrote: Like I said before. He reminds me of myself when I didn't know how to start playing in a game. You read the tread but you got 0 clues what to do. The thing you do then is read what other people think and try to verify that, JAT read what hzflank said about paper and then tried to make a case around that. The second post is him trying to find a townie. The problem I had with that post is that I didn't find FT his filter that town looking. But that was before I saw that JAT is probably new to the game opposed to being scum. | ||
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So wait. This time my read isn't good because? Paper looks town to me. Hz looks scum to me. I have no reads otherwise except I always like a VA lynch. So. Why is this bad? | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:04 VayneAuthority wrote: The only reason you would ever like a lynch for me as I stated before is that you think im a power role or im going to tunnel you endlessly so you are scared scum. Not really helping your case, especially when I'm not even doing that. Nha, there is the reason that you are useless. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is that enough for everyone? BECAUSE I PREFER I LYNCH OVER ANYTHING ELSE. AND I DON'T THINK I AM GOD ALLMIGHTY WHO IS ALWAYS RIGHT. Jeezus rayn. Your tunneling is insane. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:12 hzflank wrote: Koshi, why did you vote paper instead of JAT? WQSDFQSDFQSDFQDFGSDFGQSDFGSDF QSFQDSFQSDF QSFD QFQDSFQDSFQSDFDSQF | ||
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I don't want to lynch any of them. But I prefer lynch over no lynch. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:13 hzflank wrote: Koshi, why do you keep saying that tunneling is bad when you entire game plan (if town) revolves around tunneling me? That isnt' true at all. All my lists have had multiple names on them. Now that it is moneytime I am trying to push a better lynch. But it seems that the majority wants to lynch paper. So I am going to lynch paper. even though I dont like it. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna be so fucking mad if you guys don't vote for Koshi today. rayne my love. you are crazy. | ||
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rayn my dear. Please join the paper lynch. You don't want scum to change opinion in the last minutes. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:18 FirmTofu wrote: Creating another wagon at this point will split the vote and could cause a no lynch. I'm fairly certain that if Paper is scum, Koshi probably is too. Do you agree? Obviously not. Why are you asking dumb questions? | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:19 FirmTofu wrote: Wait, what happened in between the last two pages that shifted your read so dramatically? You were pursuing Paper and now suddenly you think Koshi is confirmed scum? raynbow magic | ||
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Koshi tunnels hzflank. I think that hz is town. Koshi must be scum. I will tunnel Koshi. My play looks perfect town. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:23 Vivax wrote: For the record, I don't find Rayn's switch scummy at all. He did the same thing in I swear. Yelling I should be lynched. But this time I don't think he is scum. Would be too obvious. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:24 Paperscraps wrote: Why don't we just lynch JAT? Do all you have town reads on him? There is already 2 votes on him. Lynching you will provide so much information. Lynching JAT would give us nothing. Lynching JAT would be the dumb townplay. Really really dumb. I am sorry bro. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:27 Vivax wrote: No. Koshi has HZ scumread. Koshi asks people to consider Malong's points against hz. HZ asks Koshi if he wants to hear what he has to say. Koshi says no. Because hz offered to do it at night. Because he didn't feel like it now. Koshi is actually a cool person and let hz do it later. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote: On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me. Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that. hz. dude. Tomorrow might be different. I think you are a better lynch than paper. Just like rayn is thinking I am a better lynch than paper. Rayn is being as insane maybe even more insane than me. Don't you agree? At least I bring some sort of argument. | ||
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AND NO I AM NOT DOING IT TO LYNCH HZ TOMORROW. | ||
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I VOTE FOR WHOEVER HAS THE MOST VOTES. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:36 hzflank wrote: Did you just claim Vig? wtf. Either shoot someone now or if your reads are right then scum may just RB you at night. If that was a Vig claim then it was really really bad timing. hahaha | ||
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You people are a joke. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:44 hzflank wrote: You call us a joke after the shitty game that you have played? Read this game back when it is over and see just how wrong you have been. I would only be wrong about you. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:47 Paperscraps wrote: Hmm, we 8 to lynch right. Looking at the how the votes are, I don't see how we can flip this onto FT. I would rather I be lynched than no one at all. So you guys should change back to me before to the deadline. RIP sweet prince. | ||
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Vivax and rayn look bad then? | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:49 Paperscraps wrote: If tofu isn't shot or lynched in the near future I will be sad. I actually believe he is town. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: "Hey guys i just posted a list with no reasoning, but when we mislynch here everything can change". Sounds legit! How doesn't that make 100% sense. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you do not make association cases pre-flip. Ofc you can. I can tell you that if paper flips red, me and Malango look pretty bad. | ||
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It doesn't matter. I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn. You had the balls and I am pretty sure you are not scum. I won't peruse you till day 3. But on day 4 I will lynch your ass. | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:09 exarezee wrote: we can post during night phase? yup. | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote: ok new to me. in all games i've played it's only scum communication. cool. scums need to type in red during the night. | ||
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I edited instead of quoted. Sorry for that. Did you know that we would still lynch Vivax? It doesn't matter. I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn. You had the balls and I am pretty sure you are not scum. I won't peruse you till day 3. But on day 4 I will lynch your ass. | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:24 justanothertownie wrote: Now we at least have a flip + voting patterns to analyse. We could have had that if we knew that Paper was 99% town. Enough people knew paper was town in the end, we could have ignored the tunnelers, but with majority lynch, their might have been too many people disliking the no lynch. Maybe even me. Nha, removing the vote was terrible Vivax. Truly terrible. But meh, you will prove you aren't scum. | ||
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rayn. Please get some sleep and stop the crazy. I am not scum. Sleep on that. | ||
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On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. | ||
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On July 29 2013 17:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Cora why must you explain things all so scummily man lol. I wanna lynch stutters so fucking much right now. Uhuh. Stutters, why so scum man. What's scummy about that? | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:20 Vivax wrote: Koshi, I need you to explain something, what happened in between your posts that made you remove JAT from your suspects? Just that post of his I included? + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote: Again you defend Vayne for some meta bullshit. My current lynchpool 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 8. VayneAuthority 9. Stutters695 13. justanothertownie I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank clarity_nl Oatsmaster I already forgot why On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote: My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank [/QUOTE] I already told you once (and a couple other people as well) I came to the realisation that JAT could be new as opposed to be scum.I don't know if it was because of that 1 post or because I decided to look at his filter again. JAT How many mafia games have you played before? If you say a lot I won't find you suddenly extremely scummy but I will expect a lot more from you next cycle. If you say you are new your opinion will also be judged accordingly. TLDR: please be honest, lying is bad. | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:41 hzflank wrote: 'Somewhat admits'? You are not this bad Koshi, and therefore you are scum. That was my impression upon joining the game this morning and the only reason why I am hesitant to go deep into it is that I worry I am being OMGUS. I will go properly into it though as at this point you are really likely to be scum. Let me ask you this, assuming that I am scum and that you are town, what was my motivation for making the above post? Can you read? | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:44 hzflank wrote: Why did you not attempt to clarify your read on JAT by asking him that question before you actually changed your read? Here is where your read changes, but you do not actually question JAT at all. I could have asked it ealier. But I didn't. Sue me. | ||
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On July 29 2013 19:46 hzflank wrote: Me being scared is not in the slightest bit consistent with your scum read on me. Your read on me is based on the fact that you think that I am good at playing scum. In addition, If I were scum and I did not actually want Paper to flip, why did I not just switch my vote onto you? You tried my good friend. Already forgot that? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:33 hzflank wrote: Why is Koshi not a lynch candidate? As far as I can tell, the only good town reason for Koshi's play this game is because he is convinced that I am scum. If he is not genuinely convinced that I am scum then he is likely scum. It's going to be hard for me to be objective, but I think he should at least post a case so that others can read it. | ||
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On July 28 2013 20:21 hzflank wrote: I take it all into account. But the thing is no one can really discuss his trolling with you as there is not much to say about it. Regarding the content that he has posted: There is a read change on Paper for a bad reason, but I could not use that as a reason to vote for Vayne unless I know Paper's alignment. Vayne thinks that JAT is too useless to lynch but would make a good Vig shot. Again there is no way I can justify lynching Vayne over that at this point. He tells Exar that he is tunnelling Paper too much, but again that is not useful on its own. Basically, any case I could make for Vayne being scum is solidly based on association with Paper. As I already think that Paper is scum it would be bad play for me to want to see Vayne lynched before Paper. | ||
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On July 29 2013 20:09 hzflank wrote: Off the top of my head, I thought someone should day Vig him to make the day 1 lynch easier. As we approached the vote I thought that Paper and Koshi were both more likely to flip scum than JAT, so it would of been stupid for me to push for his lynch. I was already pushing hard enough for Paper's lynch.. At this point I think that Koshi is much more likely to be scum than JAT. There are also other people that I want to look into. In fact calling JAT scum during this night phase would be too easy for me. JAT looks scummy due to sheeping the lynch early and generally being inactive, but I cannot actually read more into that until I or someone else questions him more. So you thought me and paper were scum but you made a comment about me going to use paper his green flip to pressure you. lololol. | ||
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If I am not I should express myself better. Because it is obvious to me that I am pointing out contradictions in hzflank his statements. | ||
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On July 29 2013 20:18 Vivax wrote: You said he was voting PS so he could push you in case he turned up town, which is nonsensical for someone who thought PS was scum. You know my half-a-dozen scumreads, if you want to help me get a better read of you, could you give me your opinion on them?If they aren't your scumbuddies it should end up being unbiased and you have nothing to fear. Almost correct. It is nonsensical that hz believes that I and Paper both are in the same scumteam. And hz believes that I am voting paper because I think he is town. | ||
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1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. | ||
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1) knows that both are town but pretend otherwise 2) can assume koshi is pushing paper because koshi thinks paper is town | ||
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Try to find reasons why we are both scum outside the "you guys are bussing each other" because it is generally more likely scum will ignore each other. Or have some interaction but not go as harsh against each other as we are currently doing. | ||
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I think you are confused. It was you yelling 15 times I am scum. Not the other way around. Did I mention you were scum once? Maybe once. Twice? Quote plz. | ||
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Ahyeah that's once. It was somewhat a joke iirc. Something with associations and preflip reads that you were going crazy about. But at that time I was getting distressed that the Paper lynch was not going through and I typed that without too much reasoning. lol. I think you can quote me saying you aren't scum somewhere as well. But that could have been before that. Don't be mad that I was unreasonable once. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:24 Koshi wrote: Clarity_nl: Did you read the thread already? If you did what is your opinion on the last 4 pages. I am referring to the posts between Vivax/Koshi/hzflank and also jat 4 scumreads and jat saying he is new. | ||
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Currently lynchstreak: 3 correct scums (reads before flip) on I swear 2. Voted Artanis (as second) and then put last 2 on top of my list in the night. 2 correct scums in Sicilian (SnB, Kyronne) Correct about town on paper in this game Correct about you being town in Sicilian (that one took a while) I am feeling pretty good about the current lynch target as well. So this too dumb to be scum is just silly. I am not too dumb sorry. Put me on your scum list. Thank you. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: i meant the way you are playing, not the quality of your reads. Chill out. So wait.. Too dumb to be scum is actually a compliment because it would be dumb for me to play scum like I am doing now? Because it is 100% townie and I am finding the right scumtargets? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu. To everyone who wants to answer: Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch? I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch. Also @Oats: If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why? In this majority system I am a firm believer of making sure a lynch happens. Reason: Because the clusterfuck that will happen when a lynch fails. People will be extremely divided and won't be able to come to their senses for a next target. The thread would evolve into a shitfest and scum can roam freely. I came to this conclusion after vivax asked me what I found of him remvoing his vote. I dislike that move extremely now but I can't put scum on his name for it. Just a very very bad move. I was 99% sure that Paper was town. | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: \ who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi? I don't know. That's the problem. It's crazy. I know of 1. But we don't agree even though my case is so compelling. I shall make a compilation before the night ends. Vivax is pushing me to look at clarity and XRZ but if they join hz in a scumteam this is the most incredible scumteam ever. Imagine you joining them. jeezus. | ||
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1) hzflank 2) Oatsmaster 3) XRZ You can thank me later town. Please put flowers on my grave. | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. I think your streak is gone. Koshi why you play like shit? All scum that I lynched said that right before they flipped. | ||
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On July 29 2013 11:49 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. | ||
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HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: On July 29 2013 08:33 hzflank wrote: On second thought you have a really good reason for voting for Paper. Your plan is still to lynch me as soon as you can. You think that Paper is town so that will help your case against me. Also, a no lynch will not happen. Only a fool would cause that. Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote: When the lynch was happening hzflank admitted that he had both these opinions at the same time. He did so in different posts obviously, both posts were made after pressure in addition to the red post above. 1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town and koshi wants to see this flip to pressure hzflank. Which is impossible, these are 2 clear contradictions. In addition you don't think like this as a town player. But as scum? On July 29 2013 20:30 Koshi wrote: A scum player on the other hand 1) Scum has to fake red reads on town people, hzflank faked both red reads on paper as on Koshi (quote added entire below where he puts it black on white, but again you should know this if you followed the thread yesterday.) 2) But in the red post above hz scumslips and says that koshi thinks paper is scum THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. | ||
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WE GOT A PERFECT SCUM TARGET IN HZFLANK AND YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEBODY WHO IS ANNOYING? YOU SCUM VIVAX? | ||
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JEEZUS I NEED TO CATCH UP WITH THIS THREAD | ||
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WE ARE NOT LYNCHING JAT ##Vote: exarezee | ||
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On July 30 2013 16:47 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Because you haven't been doing any original scumhunting so why start now please read the thread. | ||
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Because scum would be so stupid to fucking roleblock everybody and then say "omg vayne your fake is fake" | ||
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The Thread Police. | ||
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So JAT said that the claim might be fake. Because scum would be so stupid to fucking roleblock everybody and then say "omg vayne your claim is fake" | ||
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On July 30 2013 17:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi explain hz's vet claim as scum, you think it's some elaborate ploy? He also is clearly trying to figure out what happened after the smoke cleared with vayne's fakeclaim Can you please look at all the evidence? Fucking hell don't believe these fake stories. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:48 Stutters695 wrote: Like I said Rayn I don't get him. Based off of NWM he should be an obvious lynch but I heard his game before NWM was equally terrible (as town). Your case would be a lot more powerful on just about anyone other than him(maybe not Mal) but I don't think it's enough to lynch him over Paper. You do fucking know I was scum in NWM right? ADD STUTTERS On July 30 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: Malango Not much to say to that lol. Awesome check Vayne. On July 30 2013 13:17 Stutters695 wrote: No, the part where you say to lynch me after Mal. | ||
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On July 30 2013 18:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi if you're town, snap out of it. If you have questions I will answer them. But make sure you remember these 4 names. | ||
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But we can go Oats as well. You say which one. I follow. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi don't be bad please. Reread what Oats said about Malongo. Hz's claim makes no sense from scum PoV, if there is a real vet he would have been cc'd and lynched. Let's start with XRZ and keep an eye on these 2. We will see. I can make mistakes. Maybe. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? Listen to hz man. He is smart. | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:24 Stutters695 wrote: Oats, why? Also Koshi what made you change from me being scum to town over the last couple of pages? I wanted to type Oats twice because he is double scum but I mistakenly wrote your name down. Sorry. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck it, let´s just kill this scum. ##Vote: FirmTofu FT is confirmed town rayn. You are being wrong. Don't leave the XRZ wagon. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:21 justanothertownie wrote: Why is FT confirmed town to you koshi? Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:59 exarezee wrote: so basically your case against me is that town vivax thinks i'm scum? Vivax his case on you made me think you are scum. If Vivax would have been scum and I alive I would be yelling to lynch you today. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: How does vigging Malongo over vayne in that situation make Malongo think one of them survives? Malongo flips green, vayne is a confirmed liar -> he gets lynched whatever he flips. Now shoot Malongo already. THATS THE POINT OF MALONGO. HE THINKS JUST LIKE YOU. BEING WRONG = BEING SCUM | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:28 exarezee wrote: And what is vivax's case on me? He thought my case on papers was fabricated? A case he or anybody could have made on Day 1? Candy land. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:34 exarezee wrote: Can you please address this koshi? And if you don't respond to this, or respond unicorn or candyland. I am going to probably have to vote you every day as long as I'm alive. Jeebus touched me and I saw the light. If you got a doll I can show you were he touched me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Vayne, Im getting an extreme noob townie vibe off JAT and I dont want to lynch him anymore. Do you think differently? Malongo struggling for air right now lol. Welcome to 24h ago. | ||
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I know that some of you will think that this is a terrible play. Considering the setup a day two mislych is likely to be really bad for town. If the NK has gone through then we need 7 to lynch. Three people have already said that want to lynch me today and at least two others think that I am scum. People will probably think that I should just man up and play standard. However, I was the person who pushed hardest for the lynch on town on day one. There is going to be an attempt to lynch me today, and in order to thwart it I need to be a driving force in lynching someone else. If I do that and accidentally target town then I am going to have a really hard time defending myself on day 3 and scum will likely win. So sorry for being a pussy but I am making this play. I am claiming Veteran. If we have a Vig and he can shoot me now then we will be confirmed town to each other. We will be confirmed same-alignment to the rest of the town and they should think that we are both likely town, especially if there is no second Vet or Vig. Sorry if this is a terrible play, but I think that it has a reasonable chance of making it more likely for town to win the game. I could not wait until later in the day as I cannot risk the only Vig using his shot on someone else (if we even have a Vig). If we don't have a Vig I realise that my Vet claim is not great. But to be honest, there would have to be a drastic change in the game for me to be a night kill target any time soon. I realise that I have put myself in a bad position for a Vet role, but if Paper flipped red then I thought I would be a good NK target. Also, you now know why my tone has been more aggressive than usual this game. If it's worth anything my silly super soft-doctor claim during the night was an attempt to draw the night kill. I doubt that it will have worked. If there is no Vig then take this as you will. It would probably be null to me but that's for you to decide. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:55 exarezee wrote: PUSHING HARD TO NOT LYNCH A TOWN DOES NOT MAKE YOU TOWN. I can't believe people actually try to make that stupid fucking argument. It actually makes you look scum. I was pushing my scumread. I was not trying that much to not lynch Paper. I did say paper was town in my book. Also Mr. XRZ. What is your read on hz atm? | ||
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On July 31 2013 06:53 Stutters695 wrote: Start by saving yourself. Why am I town now to you? You never explained that drastic change. I was actually doing some retarded play to see what oats would say because you are one of Oats scumreads. | ||
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JAT Reasons: JAT doesn't look new at all when I actually read his filter. Especially page 3 is pretty hardcore. This makes his first 2 posts look pretty bad. These 2 quotes are pretty scummy. He was back at the deadline but eventually didn't participate. On July 29 2013 01:38 justanothertownie wrote: I'm taking off now. I should be back ~ 2 hours before the deadline but I can't guarantee it. On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote: But to answer your question: gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are: koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you Take this with a grain of salt. We got 1 extensive case coming from JAT. Which resulted in the paper vote. We also got this. On July 30 2013 09:16 justanothertownie wrote: Wtf hz. I had a lengthy post ready for you. Have to think about this nonsense claim now. I will post tomorrow it is getting to late and I don't want to be too hasty with this. I don't know why FAT didn't post it because 12 minutes later JAT is still on hzflank On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real): hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats. Details tomorrow. Details never to be seen. After defending him this morning I let him sadly enough escape with my trolling. | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:28 Stutters695 wrote: If you're town I'd like your thoughts. If you're scum fuck up and give up the scum team plz. Also what did you learn about Oats from your gambit? What were you expecting to learn when you originally stated it? I was playing without restrictions. Going in blindly. So it was a lot of #yolo play. Oats didn't really react so I don't know. I am a bit lacking on the reads department. You are not going to like this but I think FT is probably town. If you look at his play when he pressured JAT the first time, went to somebody else, and after a good defense he went back to FT. Clarity looks town to me as well. Can't put my finger on it but I am running with that as well. | ||
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hzflank is still scum for me. After his excellent posting today I cannot shake the feeling he is scum. If you would compare is posting today with that of yesterday there is also a difference. Today he is way more open with his reads on multiple people. Yesterday there was a lot more secrecy I would say. The veteran claim is a pretty good calculated risk. After the night where a lot of people asked for vig shots there was no response, even if there would be a vig there is a chance that the vig does not shoot because he doesn't feel like it is worth the shot (given how hz made that vet claim) on top of that people would probably have pointed out that the rules were different than in the op. Now the risk lied in my only in another vet coming out and claim that he was vet. But if there is only 1 kp each night the chances on a vet are low? Also with a roleblocker on scum their is a bigger chance on a doc/cop combo? All this is not just mathematical and don't proof shit. I don't know. I still think hz is scum but I can promise you I will not make this thread in a clusterfuck anymore and will not tunnel hz at all. | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:59 FirmTofu wrote: Why would his "excellent posting" make you think he's scum? It doesn't, it makes me feel he is town and I am being horrible. The only problem with it is that he was not posting like this yesterday. But today his posting was pro town all the way. | ||
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Stutters. You don't post a lot and the content you posted this game was not good. You started with a case on Vivax that was ballsy but on the other hand not really because Vivax wasn't posting yet, so it was a case on a lurker. After this your posting is just jumping from FT to Paper to FT to Paper while you had town reads on FT. On July 29 2013 04:13 Stutters695 wrote: Anyway, on to why I'm down with the paper lynch. His post on lynching lurkers was weird. Not committal but that's w/e. Opening d1 is really awkward for both alignments. What gets me about him is two-fold. First despite his clear protesting about not lynching lurkers and a clear understanding of a pro-town environment he lurks and provides no justification for his play that clearly doesn't match his expected play of a townie. His reads are also very loose and for the most part do nothing to actually catch scum. It's also a little weird that despite all the controversy around CJS and Firm he doesn't modify his reads from null on them but picks all of his targets from the people he hadn't previously commented on. On July 29 2013 04:26 Stutters695 wrote: And on that note, going to check out FT a bit closer. On July 29 2013 04:53 Stutters695 wrote: Also Tofu read page 5 and 6 of his filter. That isn't scum responses at all. On July 29 2013 06:16 Stutters695 wrote: Continuing with Rayn: Paperscraps: see my read I posted, I think he's scum, not null. Malango: no idea, as I explained. Leave him for the vigis imo. Koshi: I could easily see him being scum, especially after NWM. Mostly a meta read since he always is confusing as fuck and kinda useless. I would lynch him if Paper doesn't get traction but I'm way more confident about him. FT: I haven't looked at him too much. I'll have to get back to you on that. I had him kinda null but your post makes sense. JAT is another one I haven't really dove. He could be scum but he's not huge on my radar. He could easily be a misunderstood town. I think we'll see with more posts from him. On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote: We can continue this at night if you want to Rayn, that took me longer than I wanted to type up. Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch. On July 29 2013 08:42 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: firmtofu On July 29 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm like 99% sure paper is town now. Wouldn't a no lynch be better if people won't switch? On July 29 2013 08:57 Stutters695 wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Still open to switching if 8 people are here. On July 30 2013 05:03 Stutters695 wrote: Cool. I want to bounce some thoughts related to FT off you? What are your thoughts on him? I'm like 90% sure he's scum from some stuff he posted around/after the lynch. And then you make a case on FT at the start of page 3. It comes down on Stutters not creating too much content, don't get me wrong, it is better than the 10 pages of content I have been creating but it did make me think Stutters is the 4th scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:25 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know man. You can't say he is posting excellently and still says he's scum. He's scummy for improving his posting? What the fuck are you saying? Yes, that's it. He improved his posting a shitton but blame it on my tunneling before, or my stubbornness, I still have the feeling hz is scum. I will not be lynching hz today (not that I have that power but w.e), nor shall I put pressure on him today. I am just putting a case here and I feel like I need to comment on hz. Telling that he is now town for me because his posting today was town would not be how I feel. | ||
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Don't know really. A part is me testing the waters how far I can get away with it. Some of you might remember that I wasn't doing this a bit in I swear 2 as well in the start but I picked it up in the end due to good town play pushing me. I did it at the start of day 1 in this game and sadly got too emotional trying to prove hz was scum which made no sense, which a really bad thing when you plan to troll before / after being serious. This morning was me not reading the game, being blind on JAT, and than thinking I could get away with the trolling. When it went sour I just kept going for too long. Meh. Terrible. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you die? On D2 you have: 1) Yelled how flank is scum but you don´t want to lynch him because you are bad and bla bla etc etc.. 2) Told people to vig you, and how you are bad 3) made some random cases on JAT/XRZ/Stutters. You don´t have a clear direction in your play. You are trying everything and try to see if something sticks. You are scum. Get lynched. I probably will get lynched. But I ll try to not trow the game completely before that. | ||
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On July 31 2013 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi, why did you think the check was fake? Hmm, I started posting without reading. Then I read the part about the red check and posted, then I read about it being fake and posted. Dnu, felt like Malongo couldn't be scum because he was on hz as well. Your question is hard to answer because you could see it as I being drunk yesterday and today you ask me why I did x while being drunk. The easy answer is "because I was drunk". It's not the best answer but I simply was not thinking yesterday while posting. | ||
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On July 31 2013 16:50 Oatsmaster wrote: So do you feel the same way about Malongo now? I don't think there is much to go on about with Malango. I still think he has a really good chance to flip town. | ||
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For yesterday: The reaction towards the claim looked like this: Vayne you are lieing 100% because there is no way you could have had a red claim, I don't see a way to prove vayne is lieing so please let a vigi shoot me now so we can trade 1 v 1. The whole PM misunderstanding is not a way a scum player would go to to explain his actions. I truly believe he was thinking that there were PMs being used. | ||
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On July 31 2013 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: But why would you not read the OP. HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU BUYING THIS EXPLANATION?? koshi totes scum. You are saying that both me and Malongo are scum? And we were both making cases on hz while there was a perfect good Paper wagon for us to be on? We would be playing pretty bad as scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 17:39 Clarity_nl wrote: btw this game is getting dumb, I raged yesterday and although I'm not so sure Koshi is scum I still want to lynch him. Yeah. Although if there miraculously is a vigi out there SHOOT KOSHI NOW KTHX There wont be a vigi. I guess there is a big chance of Cop/Veteran. So you think JAT is town? | ||
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It's based on a shitton of associations. Look at XRZ his post about it. On July 31 2013 04:30 exarezee wrote: if koshi flips scum, i'm autovoting mal the next day. if mal flips scum, i'm autovoting tofu. then i have a dilemma. if koshi flips town, i probably just concede the game and blame it on koshi. This is just fucking bad townplay and too many of you are thinking like it. Snap out of it! I will be telling you people for another 16 hours, I am town. So when I flip, partially blame yourself. | ||
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On July 31 2013 17:59 Clarity_nl wrote: oh and before I go Koshi, it's not that you've played bad, it's that you've done so intentionally. I realize that. But here am I apologizing to town and try to salvage me playing bad. I don't think that I am the first guy to have intentionally played bad for 48 hours. | ||
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Just understand that it is stupid to say that Malongo, FT and me are connected and that you solved the damn game. FT is looking town 24/7, a lynch on JAT will prove that further, as I will be very surprised if he flips green. But even preflip his voting behaviour is really good, so is his play. Malongo is town, fuck it guys, remove all the stupidity and his play is green, unlike me this guy did not clusterfuck the thread. Read my previous post about Malongo to see he is town. My play is pretty red, because I did clusterfuck and took a lot of time away from town to do useful things. On top of that my scumbuddies could buss me really really easy if I just went afk after the trolling. People like rayn, XRZ are being extremely tunneled if they believe FT is scum, and if they do, they should never link that to Malango or me. Or the other way around... It's too easy. Way too easy and both these players know better. Let's take a look at these posts: On July 31 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote: I mean this discussion is off topic. But what else is there to talk about? Lynch koshi+malongo. See who dies, try to figure more stuff out. I highly doubt anybody is going to convince me not to vote koshi today and malongo tomorrow. On July 31 2013 04:27 exarezee wrote: I mean, we're like all in agreement that koshi and malongo need to go. We're going to be speculating so far down the road that I just don't feel like it's worth it. I've already got a scum team in mind that i can post arguments for if koshi and malongo flip scum, but I can make that post in N2. What do you wan to talk about? Do you want me to convince you that I think koshi/malongo/tofu is a likely scum trio? Do you want me to listen to some argument you have that koshi/malongo are not scum? I seem to be repeating myself because I don't know what else to say right now at this point in the game that cannot be said during N2, when we have more information. On July 31 2013 04:30 exarezee wrote: if koshi flips scum, i'm autovoting mal the next day. if mal flips scum, i'm autovoting tofu. then i have a dilemma. if koshi flips town, i probably just concede the game and blame it on koshi. This is the scumhunting XRZ has done Day 2. It's just bad. It's bad and he isn't even pretending to be bad. | ||
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On July 31 2013 20:49 justanothertownie wrote: Where I am standing right now: I think you are probably scum. I liked your reads earlier (apart from the lists) and especially your case on hz but since then you only trolled. That's not that indicative I guess but when people attacked you you didn't defend yourself properly and your strategy to avoid being lynched is to paint me scummy. Not because I really am your biggest scumread but because you think I am the only one who you could get enough people to vote for. You turned 180 on me based on posts that were available to you when you said you were sure I'm town it doesn't make any sense. You should try to get scum lynched as town and not only someone who isn't you. I'm starting to think you only defended me for being new at the start because you knew I was telling the truth because you are scum and it is easy to be correct about townies as scum. If you are scum hz is less likely to be scum. This matches my recent feel about his play. I will elaborate on this in a second. But why would I do it as scum? Why would I do all this as scum? | ||
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If you were town and I would be scum. I would just ride the JAT wagon. There were 3 or 4 votes on you when I woke up, I was honestly surprised that was the case and it was the catalysator of my insanity for a part. | ||
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1) If I get lynched today people will see me flip green, you will get a shitton of flak on you tomorrow and it doesn't look like you will be able to defend yourself from what I have seen. (you always defend yourself, but yours scumhunting is lacking and your defense currently as well.) If you flip town after I was lynched, town is fucked. 2) If you flip town today I will get a motherload of shit over me tomorrow. And frankly, I will get lynched and can't blame anybody. I will flip town then and town is fucked. Fact is that I, Koshi need a red flip today to make sure town has a chance to win. I think that I the highest chance on a scumflip is you are XRZ. So proof today that you are town, even if I get lynched today town will be able to use that defense to look elsewhere tomorrow. | ||
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Fact is that I, Koshi need a red flip today to make sure town has a chance to win and I can survive. I think that the highest chance on a scumflip is you or XRZ. So proof today that you are town, even if I get lynched today town will be able to use that defense to look elsewhere tomorrow. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, if you, Malongo and FT are town who is scum? Look at FT´s read on me, it´s: D1 - OMGUS N1 - "rayn raid Vivax might be scum, when stuff happened he said he is probably town" D2 - OMGUS You call that a good read? You and FT have a special bond. I would encourage you to look past all the things FT says about you and focus on his play not concerning yourself. FT needs to come through with 3 more cases of his scumreads, read them and base your suspicion on that. It sucks that FT thinks you are scum but the best advice I can give you is to look at FT his play besides that. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are using fear to make people not vote for their scumreads (in this case you)? That´s classic mafia play. "You will be lynched tomorrow when i flip green" - fucking retarded defense. I am also trying to give better lynch targets. I agree that I use fear but I use it to make people think. Not to make them not vote me. | ||
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Because I am fucking horrible. I have not lynched in all the games I have played, not even been close, I was just testing the waters and see what it brings me. It brought me doom. I wont be this kinda play in the future. Not as town not as scum. | ||
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EBWOP: 1) I have not been lynched before 2) I will not be using this kinda play in the future | ||
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Fact is that town is going straight to a lylo situation and I shall at least not allow my scumreads to ride in their easily because of me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, the point is in his case he does not give a single reason that makes me scum!!! Also why does it suck to you that FT thinks i am scum? You seem to think that yourself. The wording you use is incredibly odd from town perspective. Yeah, I think you could be scum. But that feeling is there because you are treating me a bit the same as in I swear 2. But that feeling prevents me to look at you closely for the moment. I want more information on JAT and XRZ. Could you help me on this? Tell me why they are worse lynches than me. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: XRZ looks really town from his contributions from D2. He is trying to push his scumreads, in fact he is only focused on doing so. He only talks about people he finds suspicious. In the argument between me-him-hz he thought i said something scummy (wrong), if he was mafia he would have let go of the argument earlier because he would know he is wrong. Everything he has done on D2 screams town to me. Next JAT. But he doesn't even say why we are scummy, and on top of that he gives himself outs when we would flip town. Except in 1 post where he actually say he doesn't need to give himself outs for when we flip green... His scum reasons seem to be association and stupidity. | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:17 hzflank wrote: You should ask that question both ways. Oats was also Koshi's top scum read and it was not greatly followed up. It was a complete insane idea of mine. I couldn't follow it up because it was insane. Also, nobody should be blamed for seeing me differently today as yesterday. I think the quality of my posts now allows that. What do you think of a JAT or XRZ lynch today hzflank? | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is Oats scum? Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ. There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now. Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop... FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game. | ||
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In the night he was a believer of the hzcase I made. He commented twice on it that he approved of it, and then never came back on it. Without much words/accusations XRZ made it possible for him to vote on so many people, probably because he thought I wouldn't come back in this fashion, all other people like FT, Oats and hz kept looking around. XRZ never gave that impression on day 2. | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: That´s one fucking weak meta-read and you are not even answering how his play looks in this game. You´re both scum. Jeezus, and your superread on Oats is where? ffs. | ||
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On July 27 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS so bad. I dont think hes scum though. The Justanothertownie dude is scum though. Reasons upcoming. On July 27 2013 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: FT's vote was probably a ploy to see what you would do, apparently it didnt work to well huh. If you push paperscrap, you are scum man. Why cant he joke around? Why does every post have to be useful? On July 27 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno about FT, that 'mistake' above seems really newbie scum mistake to make. Clarity, what do you propose I talk about? On July 27 2013 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What is this wagon crap man. Hmm wheres rayn? On July 27 2013 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote: oh god hzflank, stop being so defensive, its annoying. I think both of you are not talking about anything really. Hzflank, how do you think you have played this game differently so far from the last newbie where you were scum? On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: yup justanothertownie dude is scum. Look at his first post. justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously. extreme nitpicking here, clearly paperscraps was using generalization and notice that justanothertownie just throws shit on him without explain how or why its scummy. Like pointing out supposed bad posts without explain why. scumtell. Ok look at his thoughts on CJS, I assume he is leaning null scummy. In his very next post commenting on CJS post, his view drastically changes. looks like he wants to sheep CJS, off this horrific accusations without anything to back them up with. contradictions and shit, way over generalization. And it makes justanormaltownie want to sheep him? I dont buy it, justanormaltownie wants to support this set of lynches/lynch and see if I could possibly be mislynched. ##vote: justanormaltownie On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Vayne, try a bit please. what do you think of justanothertownie? On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post. He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis. | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:10 hzflank wrote: I would not call any of those Oats quotes evidence of good scum-hunting. A couple of them could be taken as scum-hunting or also as target-hunting. In fact, I would say Oats' scum-hunting method has been tot town-hunt and then find scum by process of elimination. Can't disagree if you put it like that. lol But his recent vote of me indicates he is consistent. Unlike XRZ who has litteraly suspected everybody a little bit but never pushed through except on FT, and fuck me sideways but I call FT town. | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:28 VayneAuthority wrote: so why aren't we killing the guy voting for himself useless to town or scum. win/win Because he is town? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:31 VayneAuthority wrote: if he's town he is playing against his wincon. Logical fallacy detected. He wasn't till he voted on himself. Come on VA. I have so many suspects for being scum. I can't have you as well D: Any reads on XRZ/Oats/JAT? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:38 VayneAuthority wrote: yea and in bluelightz mafia DrH ragequitted and onegu replaced him who was scum. what's your point? I don't know if what your read of DH was before he ragequited. But in this game you can give Malongo a town read? That shit with your fake claim was town right? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:44 VayneAuthority wrote: I didn't think he was scum until he self-voted. If you aren't scum at that point you're just a scrub, and aint nobody got time for that Ok. Agreed. But I need to find scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 00:42 exarezee wrote: just lynch scum malongo today please. No reason to look anywhere else today. Then probably lynch koshi. I should look a lot better to everybody if malongo flips scum. Can't believe there are people that actually think malongo looks town. For having played 200 games, and a lot of those played turbo games you are extremely limited with giving out reads + reasons. It's insane how great your case on Malongo is. | ||
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On August 01 2013 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read xrzs filter. I'm leaning town on him. Many things he say make sense. If he is scum he is hiding this really good. For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). Also pretty good case on why XRZ is town. Many things make sense. | ||
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##vote: justanothertownie Reason: Useless. Promises to make cases but never comes through. AFK before lynches and lurking during lynching because everything goes like "planned". Even with my excessive trolling and Malongo martyring I can't believe anybody would want to take this guy into lylo. | ||
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On August 01 2013 00:59 exarezee wrote: how about you answer this before i can start to take you seriously again. On July 29 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote: \Scum is showing massive balls this game. such big balls I don't want to lynch VA anymore. who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi?[/QUOTE] On July 29 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote: \ who are the 4 mysterious scum players koshi? I don't know. That's the problem. It's crazy. I know of 1. But we don't agree even though my case is so compelling. I shall make a compilation before the night ends. Vivax is pushing me to look at clarity and XRZ but if they join hz in a scumteam this is the most incredible scumteam ever. Imagine you joining them. jeezus. I called Oats out on the fact that he was being the thread police in day 1. I think that combined with Vivax making you look bad made me post that. It's a bad post. No reasoning and a lot of bullshit. | ||
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Rayn has 4 solid townreads. On top of that he says that XRZ and JAT look town, so together with him that is 7 townies. Now you ask me if he plays like he knows all this? He isn't yelling he found all scum like I would do -_- | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote: can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it. Could you please quote the post where you make a case against malongo? I can't find it. | ||
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1) I agree that rayn has been very consistent with his voting. 2) Stutters jumping to all the places can be seen in day 1 as well when he says something different about FT each second. I made a case. | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:45 exarezee wrote: same freaking reasoning why i was voting you earlier. But Malongo has been a scumtarget off you since forever? What was the reason before that? | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:53 exarezee wrote: You can look at my filter for Day 2 if you want. It's really not that long. Ok I see. But to me Malongo comes out town in that exchange with Vayne... Damn. Did you read what people said about it? That Malongo tried to sacrifice himself to prove Vayne lied and therefore found a scum? (or the person that told Vayne through PM -_-) | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:03 VayneAuthority wrote: if you see rayn/stutters as scummy, they are actively preventing the malongo lynch. Why do you feel it not a good idea to vote for malongo? ignoring the fact that he's a martyr This is indeed a very good point. My own idea is that JAT/XRZ look bad? Do you agree? Y/N is enough as I don't want to tire you too much. | ||
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##vote: Stutters I am town. I think FT is town. I am starting to love hz. | ||
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town hz says lynch FT Clarity says lynch FT Vayne says lynch Malongo Scumteam 1 Cora says lynch Malongo FT says lynch Stutters695 Oats says lynch XRZ Scumteam 2 Rayn says lynch FT Stutters says lynch FT Neutrals JAT says lynch Koshi XRZ says lynch Malongo Malongo says lynch Malongo | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys. Looks like I'm about to die. As long as you guys vote rayn and stutters tomorrow, I'm willing to take this hit for town. I am VT. For all of you who are still deciding, I will answer any questions you might have. For all of those voting me, explain to me why I would post all of my reads for all of town to scrutinize. Explain to me why I have been pursuing my scumreads and justifying them appropriately. Ask yourself if this is scum behavior. Ask yourself if scum would want to behave like this. Would you go for a Cora lynch over yourself? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not bad at playing scum and you are scum so... Yeah, if FT flips red I should just find a way to modkill me without getting banned lol. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:19 FirmTofu wrote: How about you vote for stutters and we try to lynch him instead of me. If it catches steam, we are good. If it doesn't, you can always switch back to me. Sound like a plan? Dude it really is you or Cora. Never Stutters. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:29 FirmTofu wrote: Looks like no one is going to read anything I have to say. Town deserves to lose. I'm done with this game. TO NOT DARE TO LEAVE! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty sure I can't because it's against the rules. I probably would, though. It's not against the rules. Please vote yourself. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:35 justanothertownie wrote: XRZ! If you are really reading please change your vote to FT! We may have enough votes if Koshi stay on FT. I am staying, do not worry. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'll vote myself if you guys can convince me that killing me is better than the alternative. What does it give you that would make Day 3 more productive? Remember, I know I am VT, so convince me based on this assumption. 1) hz thinks that FT/Cora/Koshi/Oats is a team 2) Rayn respects hz 3) Rayn thinks you are scum 4) If you buss one of your teammates as the 7th vote that might actually change his mind 5) we get oats next time or me but that would be bad 6) you live at least 2 more days yay! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:40 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So Malongo, Vayne, me, Oats, FT, and possibly Koshi are scum? That's a few too many bro. Are you even fucking trying? Malongo, Vayne aren't in rayns eyes. Fuck I would lynch you so hard. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:41 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I was basing my last post off of this bit of Raynlogic. I see. lol. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: This town is probably the worst I've ever seen. If you are VT, it probably is lol. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:57 exarezee wrote: i am here on phone. dont like where its headed. gonna be same discussion next day re malongo. i can live with tofu as i think its tofukoshimalongo scum. ok, just vote FT then please. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: lol, it's going to be hilarious when I flip. I can't wait to see the look on rayn's face. FT I am going to bitchslap you so hard when you flip red. Why are you doing this to me... | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:07 FirmTofu wrote: My question to you, "Why is rayn unwilling to switch to Cora if he truly believes he is scum?" Because he thinks you both are 100% scum and you have a better role. My question to you. Why is Cora playing so fucking awful? It is obvious he wants to be lynched? | ||
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Pickpocket (Janitor) -Somehow you have managed to steal one of the crew's flare guns and a flare to shoot. During any one nightphase, you can shoot off this extra flare and distract the crowd while a passenger is dispatched. This will prevent anyone other than you and your fellow ruffians, who are observing the crowd, from knowing what role the passenger had. Alternatively you can shoot a passenger with the flare. It will have a 50% chance of going off and dispatching them. You may use the flare once, either for distraction or KP but not both. You win with the ruffians. You may clean a person for the night-kill. If a person is night-vigged, they will be cleaned and their role/alignment hidden instead of the night-kill. Nothing other than their name will be revealed to town. | ||
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##Vote CaptainJackSparrow Let's pray that the 50% is in town favor. I don't see how the other use of the flare is useful. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:14 hzflank wrote: Oh I see wont to spoil this early. Town wins, guys. With the Cora lynch? | ||
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##Vote Malongo lololol this is probably worse for me than FT lynch. hahahaha. I am actually laughing hard right now. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:31 VayneAuthority wrote: welp I can't even convince rayn with his own logic so this is lovely. let me spell it out for you just as you were yelling at me for before the only reason for xrz to make this last second claim is to guarantee a mislynch. xrz is some sort of scum power role (pickpocket) and uses his power at night. You lynch him but who the fuck cares. he already used his role. hurpadurp I fucking agree with this. This would save me from | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:34 VayneAuthority wrote: he doesn't have to clean. He can also take the 50% chance to kill 2 people tonight. then we will be at 5-4 LYLO But this means FT is 100% scum right? | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:38 hzflank wrote: Okay, Two things... Exar may already of done some light breadcrumbing of his red check on Malongo. You can check his filter yourselves, might be something or nothing. Secondly, why would scum-Exar do this? Only to save FT right? That's not 1-1 but rather 1-2. We should lynch Mal because if he is green then we can get both Exar and FT afterwards. ##Unvote ##Vote: Malongo I agree with this as well. I have read XRZ his filter so many times and today he was off his game it seems, but a red check on Malongo would explain it. I am the worst mafia player. lololololololol | ||
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This would be my next perfect read in this game. But he made so many illogical steps yesterday. 1) He does not want to vote FT at all. 2) After the cop claim he tries to redirect town to vote XRZ over rayn. Even though 2 detectives are impossible (unless bastard game) and rayn was in his eyes wrong about FT and XRZ was right about Malongo. 3) After seeing that town didn't fell for this trap (except hz (lol)), he switches back to Malongo. 4) After the flip he claims towncred for the most retarded vote in history. 5) After the flip he still wants rayn to be spared, suddenly the bastard game theory sounds plausible for him? But he had a fuck this bullshit bastard host fuck off attitude before. 6) He wants Cora to be lynched for having the EXACT same attitude as himself Extra bonus. Some conspiracy theory because Koshi loves that: Vayne probably paved the way for rayn to fake cop claim. Rayn his copclaim makes 0 sense. | ||
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On August 01 2013 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is 2 cops impossible? In my eyes nothing is impossible. Never. You know that. What do you think about I just said? | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing i don´t get Koshi. If vayne is scum why did Malongo react to the check like he did? It makes no sense to me, because Malongo would know there is some sort of plan going on when his scumbuddy claims a check on him. This could have been a plan in the scum QT. Malongo could have been instructed to play it like this. Malongo was lurking during lynch btw, probably laughing his ass off till we swapped to him. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Koshi, did you claim Vet or did I totally misread that? Nope I did ctrl + c on hzflank his post. :D That one was a bit funny imo. | ||
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He so convincingly said that it was impossible that there was a red check, I still can't believe it. I do not know how you guys see through that shit. | ||
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On August 02 2013 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone who has a town read on FT explain to me why he is town? Other than "towwnslip dude". To me he looks town because he looks at everybody and challenges everybody. He attacked XRZ, HZ, Clarity, Vivax. Discusses JAT, Malongo and you. He makes a solid case on XRZ which is an unknown player and sticks to it for a long time. Read page 2 and 3 in his filter. It's all there. | ||
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On August 02 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don´t really know if attacking everybody is a town tell. It´s easy to promote a chaotic atmosphere by attacikng everybody. It´s also easy to look town early on in the game by that way, because you look like you are gaining information. I don´t think his case on XRZ was solid at all, as somebody else (Vivax if i remember correctly) pointed out too. Actually FT called XRZ out for same stuff he did himself a couple of posts later. If it did make XRZ scum why does he do that too? Good question why he would do that as well as scum... But I don't trust any of my reads here. I will live a couple more days, unless I get lynched lol, and then I will hopefully have a better look. | ||
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I think the best way to handle this is to leave both rayn and XRZ alive. Just kill somebody else that you think is scum. XRZ pulling that move to kill Malongo without cop claim is the only thing that makes him look scum to me atm. | ||
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1) how big the chance was we were going to lynch rayn 2) rayn was actually a cop during night phase. | ||
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1) we were going to lynch rayn 2) rayn was actually a cop during night phase. This is better formatting. | ||
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I am pretty sure that I didn't believe rayn was a cop and that XRZ was the real cop. | ||
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Well maybe scum didn't believe that rayn was a cop (not too many of us did), so that means that they don't have to kill him with him being a prime lynchtarget. The small off-chance that he might be a cop he was going to go for Oats, something mafia allowed for x reason. There are so many possibilities left in this game. I think that only a very few are confirmed town. I would say rayn/hz at this point? | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can´t possibly be that dumb Koshi and FT if you are town, can you? It looks like I am and this game I am not even offended. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is why exarezee is mafia: exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia. After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue. I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think. First of all. I totally agree that the call on Malongo is 100% balls and can never be good for town unless he was 100% certain which he shouldn't be. That small chance that he was wrong XRZ should have known that he would be lynched next and the game is over. I could think you weren't a cop. But yeah, a scumteam would not. So ok. I am going to reread how this all happened. I remember XRZ actually accidentally saying you were the only cop? I don't remember when he claimed to be RB. Ok. Agreed with that as well. Fuck it. XRZ is probably scum... lol. | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD Why is Clarity scum? | ||
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Guys, why is Clarity scum in this trio? What post was it? | ||
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1) XRZ is scum 2) Scumteam knows that rayn is telling the truth, why not roleblock rayn? if they want to kill Vayne a) There is no roleblock and need to hide this. But why would clarity say that D2... b) it cannot be knows that XRZ is not a real cop, as seen in rayns case, no sane townie would do such a move if not 100% certain malongo is scum. But if this is the case. Why not RB rayn still and then make XRZ give a fake red? Like a red on me? Everybody and their mothers would have believed this... .. .. .. I don't get it. | ||
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2) XRZ gives red check on me 3) Kill Vayne = I get lynched 100% certain? That and the fact that XRZ should never buss his own teammate if he is going to give up being cop so easily. arfffffffff | ||
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If they lynch town 8 vs 3 night kill 7 vs 3 xrz lynch 7 vs 2 night kills 6 vs 2 with a lot of confirmed townies? hmm. Ok that isn't good for scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:53 hzflank wrote: If Exar is town then it was not a good scum move, it was a desperate scum move. We need to figure out why before we can say that Exar is town. Malongo was a goon and the least active player. He would be worth trading for another scum but not necessarily worth the risk of trading him when it also puts Exar at risk. Therefore I see two scenarios of why scum-Exar would do it. Either: Cora is GF. Exar sacced Mal to save Cora, thinking that if Cora flipped GF then town might deduce that their is no roleblocker and therefore Clarity would end up lynched (so this one assumes that Clarity is scum). Or: FT is Roleblocker. Exar sacced Mal to save FT knowing that if FT flipped RBer then Clarity would be confirmed town and that would leave scum in a situation where we had 1 confirmed town, 1 confirmed cop and 1 confirmed Vet. Ok this is probably the truth. As in almost 100% certain. | ||
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So my scumteam would be XRZ, Cora, Clarity/JAT JAT could also be a scum. There is a lot of defense coming from JAT towards XRZ. JAT also said he could phone XRZ if I am not mistaken? XRZ defended JAT before (he once said we should lynch Malongo before JAT, really early in day 2, and without a cop check) Is it really impossible that scum has RB/godfather as their 2 powerroles? It looks like they don't have a janitor. How many roles do scum normally have in these games? | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:13 Stutters695 wrote: Hz: why does XRZ give up on the charade? He can ride that for town for days at the expense of sacrificing their RB to keep him "perma-blocked". The only way that plan falls flat is if Clarity flips scum and gives away that they don't have an RB. Saying he faked the check puts himself into major shit and if he flips scum it practically guarantees he bussed Mal to save Cora or FT(probably Cora) and scum is losing three members in four days. It doesn't make sense. Yeah... This is true as well. Jeezus what a game... | ||
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2) XRZ says this means Clarity was speaking the truth about being roleblocked N1 3) He picked Oats | ||
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He picked Oats because Rayn wanted to pick Oats (I take it XRZ assumed that at least 1 would die or get RB) He got Roleblocked so he says that Clarity is probably town now. XRZ puts his sentences in the wrong order though, he ends with who he picked in the night. | ||
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Hi guys, I am roleblocked this night. Sorry! The good news is that I know think that Clarity is town. FYI I checked Oats because rayn checked Oats. | ||
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That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch. ##vote:Exarzee But there are so many things I don't see XRZ do if he is scum like retracting his cop claim. But I was the guy that was convinced Malongo wasn't scum, that thought Vayne was maybe scum and was very convinced hz was scum. So wtf do I know. | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, there is one cop and one vet (which can´t be blocked). The setup is already hard as it´s 10 vs 4. Do you think there is a godfather + roleblocker vs one cop? How many PR does scum have normally? It does make sense that they might have used janitor on Rayn this night. That's why he is alive! But then they would use janitor on Vayne. Mehhhhh | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:59 Koshi wrote: How many PR does scum have normally? It does make sense that they might have used janitor on Rayn this night. That's why he is alive! But then they would use janitor on Vayne. Mehhhhh But then they would use janitor on Vayne. Mehhhhh Ok this is the 3rd time I edited this game. I don't know what is wrong with me. | ||
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1) I found 3/4 scums in Sicilian --> I became a bold jack-ass here and went after hzflank 2) A suspect flipped town in Sicilian --> I panicked and became a gigantic troll in this game. 3) I am tilting endgame in Sicilian --> I can't think anymore here. Just had a good night of sleep and I hope we can lynch XRZ today, tomorrow I will be a bit inactive (but it's night anyway) and then from Monday I am 100% focused on this game again. We will see what that brings. | ||
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1) I do not get emotionally attached who gets lynched. However, you can see in the newbie game I played here and this game that I am pushing my suspect hard. 2) I am hiding, playing on emotions to keep myself from getting lynched as anti-town, if I get suspicion as anti-town it is mostly due to bad play rather than flamboyant play. Obviously I shake up my playstyle so that I am hard to read. My day 1 was an extremer form of I swear 2. If you want to know why I am playing like this, it is to see how far I can take it before you get lynched in case I roll a blue role in a game. But this game was an eye opener and I think I will play future games a bit more afk and in the shadows till my reads get a lot better. But for now. Let's catch them scummies! | ||
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On August 03 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: And there you do that again. It´s really hard to believe you are town Koshi. Your last posts are again explaining why you are not mafia and you are not trying to find mafia at all. You are not gonna get lynched today, why are you so eager to defend yourself when there is scum to catch. Hell, you say that yourself at the end of your post and you don´t do anything to accomplish that. Who do you think is mafia? The best thing I can do for town at this moment is proving I am not scum. Sure, I am trying to not get lynched, but that hasn't been my sole goal for this entire game. As you can read in my filter. I have gave my opinion on who the last scums might be. It is based a lot on your and hzflank his ideas, but when you got 2 confirmed townies in your game that are also the leaders in scumhunting, I believe that it is smart to just assist them. As you can see I was the first to say that the case from Hzflqnk might have been wrong. That xrz probably meant that he didnt check clarity because there would be another RB. I commented on your case and concluded that it is likely XRZ is scum. I also looked at the counter evidence from stutters and I agreed that this whole situation with unclaiming cop is rather bad scumplay. There were much better solutions. On top off that remember that I made a case on him before the Malongo lynch. I read XRZ his filter and his play looked town after all with the red check, but without it looks really bad. Scum xrz is a fast thinker, his redirection to Malongo proves that it could work perfect for scum, but in his interaction with you he was way too confident and his fast handling costed his team possible the game. Town XRZ has balls of steel with insane deduction skills. Him now conceding the game is very strange. | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:37 justanothertownie wrote: At the moment I would assume the best thing to do would be to prove someone else is scum if possible as you are not the lynch candidate. Yes, that's exactly what I have been doing D3 and in my latest post. The part that you cut off... | ||
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I thought hz was scum and paper town. (Made a decent case and dropped it almost entirely after vet claim). I defended Malongo and FT day 2 lynch. Which looks bad but I gave my reasons. A case on VA on night 2. Excessive trolling for a while early day 2. Is my case really that good you are voting on me? Wtf did I wrong day 3? I didnt spam, made my believes really clear to town. Helped around the XRZ case and answered all questions asked to me... I am such easy lynchbait but there is nothing gigantic over my head. If you compare my case with that of XRZ, it is really strange I am getting so much attention. Now where is clarity or cjs now? I gave clear reasons why I voted XRZ, it's basically my entire day 3. XRZ just voted me while he said it is better to lynch FT first... I am here for questions. But i am on my phone as well. | ||
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On August 04 2013 10:05 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Not unbelievable if anyone in this game was using their brains... Funny fact. Your vote was on me. | ||
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Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam. But wtf can I do. My name keeps being mentioned, town thinks I am scum, pfff. Going to be my first loss in mafia. This scumteam played well. I fucked my credibility and I never understood this game. I can't do shit. I ll focus on 2 people for the rest of day 4. Maybe I can catch somebody. Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see. | ||
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Because others arent. It's a sad case but atm I am on that. I ll make cases tomorrow or later today when I am home. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi maybe you should add in the third member, perhaps Clarity or Corazon? You know, to sound more convincing. convincing like hz who made 4765389 scumteams that seem to be all wrong. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand your meta read on me stutters, I try harder as scum to post good posts? Is that it? No that's not it. We will see. I am going to need something really good for day 4. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can´t blame me because you did nothing to stop my "insane push" but instead voted WITH me. Nothing stopped you for blaming us though. I voted with you because of your case, it was actually really good. XRZ is a crazy player. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why can me and HZ be mafia but Clarity and Cora can´t? I said that everybody can be scum not so long ago. I need me pc. I'll make a list, you guys love lists. | ||
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Here is my case again which I made on day 1. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. You guys do remember hz his first day right? Tunneling paper and not putting any effort on other people. hz his second day compared to his first was way more open, really good and I have no problem at all with that day, except around the lynch he was making stupid posts again. Posts containing stupid question like: "In rayns mind there are 5 people confirmed town, does rayn play like that?". hz his third day was making 500 association posts (which all concluded that FT or me should be lynched next unless XRZ flipped red) and saying how hard he was looking for signs that XRZ was town. BUT WHO THE FUCK KNOWS WHO IS SCUM in this game. You guys don't. None of you. Except them scummies ofc. | ||
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But why put pressure on XRZ? I was thinking this guy was the cop and rayn the fake. It would make sense that rayn actually is a cop, I even think he is. But he should die now. NOW. Tonight. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:03 Oatsmaster wrote: so koshi you giving up? Nope. I haven't lost a game yet and haven't been lynched yet. So let's not make me getting lynched my first loss. | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is an argument that makes sense for those people to make who didn´t vote for XRZ. The dude fucking believed my case was good and sheeped me. Now he blames me for lynching town when in the whole game he has made no effort in lynching anyone, just vote with someone with no real reasoning of his own. In addition to that, if you are town and get lynched you are doing something wrong. It´s always your fault if you get lynched as town and noone else´s, unless there are only scum votes on you and the lynch goes somehow through that way. If you look townie as town you should not get lynched. It´s that simple and there is a reason certain players get never mislynched as town and some people do. You fucking know how you played Day 3 right? If you and hzflank are both town. You 2 fucking lost this game. It's that simple. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi, since you won't admit to being scum, are you admitting to being terrible town? Say all you want about rayn and hz, they've been making an effort (hz in particular) You can't possibly believe hz is scum at this point Yes I admit that and you will never see me play like this. It's a newbie mistake. Rayn doesn't like me saying I am bad at this game but it is true. This is my 5th game and I still have to make a lot of mistakes for the first time. It's what it is. I decided to give stupid list on day 1 and trolled early day 2. I shot all my credibility and I pay for that now. On top of that I am easy lynchbait. I failed town this game. I know it. But 200 pages later, I know that it should have been possible for me to redeem myself. But it is hard when there 1 guy screaming at everybody to lynch XRZ and another guy making association cases 24/7. That's all what these 2 confirmed townies have done. Instead of playing this normal, keep asking good questions and try to really figure out who the scums are. | ||
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You guys remember hzflank trying to make XRZ look less confirmed town while XRZ was trying to really look like the cop? That shit was all perfect play by XRZ if you look at it now. But it also shows that hzflank thought that rayn was fake and XRZ the real cop. Also, who the fuck really thought Vayne was a real cop? I wouldn't think of something like that ever... | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Wait. Do you consider hz possible scum, or do you consider him confirmed town? sorry I should have said "confirmed townies" | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:18 hzflank wrote: I actually laughed out loud. Good job  Lets try to not let Koshi mess the thread up. In particular I am really trying to see if Stutters and FT are likely scum together. I can see either of them being scum individually, but D2 makes it look like they are not both scum. Mess up the thread???? HAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah Mr associations everywhere. You did a hell of a good job Day 3. | ||
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Mr 37 pages and Mr 28 pages are scum or horrible town. | ||
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But where is that case on me? I have played a perfect town day 3. Sure I sheeped our 2 "confirmed towns" but I was there to discuss the XRZ lynch. But eventually I followed rayn and hz. I was not in a position to make a strong case on somebody else (because I do not know who is scum) and then to be wrong and get lynched. But now that XRZ flipped town, do NOT play like yesterday. I want that everybody looks at everybody and then makes a decision. If rayn plans on tunneling me now for 48 hours and hz plans on making association cases for when I die and flip red. Then you guys are fucking stupid. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a difference between Koshi´s posts now and my/hz´s posts on D3. JAT can you tell me what that difference is? Same can be asked from Stutters/FT. Rayn, yay for you to look at the worst in my posts and be wrong once again. So sad. You do realize you were wrong about XRZ right? You are so bad for this town. So unbelievable bad. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:32 justanothertownie wrote: Besides the fact that there is no intention to solve the game behind Koshi's posts? True. | ||
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I realize that now. But I am not going to go down as easily as XRZ. Fuck that. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahh it doesn´t really matter at this point. But yes, you are right. On top of that those posts are not trying to make people convinced of someone being mafia. They scream fear and survival instead of solving the game as you said. It´s really hard to tell who is mafia amongst FT/Stutters/JAT/Koshi. Not a single one of those people is asking questions from each other. One of them is town and should be trying to figure out a way to tell the other people why the three other guys are mafia. That cannot be accomplished unless you make mafia question each other and point out why the interactions are fake. Could the guy who amongst them is town start doing that? I can´t possibly gain anything by asking anything from you four. Because you can just say "i think the three other are scum" and i can´t do anything other than to accept that as a town-tell or a null-tell. It leads me nowhere any more. I can only make conclusions from how you interact with each other and that has not happened after N2. Finally a good post. But I am on a point that I put you are hz between those. Also Oats if you don't die today. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't even know what to say. If Koshi is town this is really sad. "I don't know who scum are so I make no attempt to find scum and just sheep you. You are really shit for town btw!" Being shit for town comes after the flip. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote: Finally a good post. But I am on a point that I put you are hz between those. Also Oats if you don't die today. are = and | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: @Koshi You played the farthest thing imaginable from "perfect" D3. You literally just sheeped Rayn and hz and then lurked again, only to de-lurk when you had 3 votes on you. How is that a "perfect town" D3? I didn't just sheep on XRZ. I clearly, very very clearly said why I was on XRZ. The lynch on XRZ was not a bad lynch. The reasons that I gave were more than enough to lynch him without him defended on that. What bad is: -Making a million association cases that prove that it is not bad to lynch XRZ anyway. (how does 1 defend himself against that, you don't even ask the guy questions?) -Starting the day with some insane vigor to get XRZ lynched and then actually succeeding in 60 minutes when all the other people are asleep, then when these other people join the thread not listen to them and just tunnel XRZ into the ground. THIS DOES NOT MAKE RAYN AND HZ SCUM. BUT IT IS FUCKING HORRIBLE TOWN PLAY. and perfect scum play. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:46 justanothertownie wrote: I think I made pretty clear that I'm absolutely sure about Koshi and FT being scum. What should I ask them? FT doesn't need to be here answering any questions it seems. Still he avoided being lynched 2 times and it probably will be the third time tomorrow while koshi just throws shit at everyone. Fine, I will look closer into stutters/oats the tomorrow/the day after that but we can only lynch one person this day and I would like to see the nightkill before (although it would surprise me if it's not a confirmed townie who dies). Why am I scum? Tell me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: If it doesn't make then scum why are you talking about it? It doesn't prove they are scum. But you think I am scum because I obviously troll/derail the thread/make it bad to scumhunt. These 2 do it unobvious and you are not seeing it. Sure I would like to discuss with JAT on how he thinks I am scum and how I think he is scum. But in the meantime we got to read 1000 posts about how XRZ is scum and who the scumteams are. In which we are all mentioned. So our first reaction was to defend us there. I didn't even bother doing that on my phone. But I can tell you that thinking on persuing JAT was far from my mind. Silly me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:54 justanothertownie wrote: Possible. I could imagine CJS being killed too. Koshi, I think everyone gets that you don't like rayns and hzs play by now. Would you stop it now? I will. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:58 hzflank wrote: Can we read anything new into this now that we know Malongo was scum? Can you stop fucking asking us questions and answer them yourself. Let us think about your ideas. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes it was disruptive in a way. But are you trying to say you do not see townies trying to make an effort in the both of them? Do you think a scum hz, who is pretty confirmed before he started pushing xrz, would put all that effort into all of the association stuff just to bury a discussion about the xrz lynch, which was pretty much going to happen anyway once he made some very valid points. I don't get you. Didn't I fucking tell you that is what hz does? Read my fucking case on him day 1. The case where I prove that he was thinking that me and Paper were both scum and where he was thinking I knew Paper was town on the same moment. Hzflank plays perfect like scum. Him playing like this to completely fuck us up is what he does. ffs. Too bad there is no fucking SK to kill the guy in this gamen because he is confirmed town as scum.......... | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can tell you that you should be arguing with your scumreads, ask them specific questions about your other scumreads. You should already know what you expect them to answer. As mafia it´s often hard to keep your story straight and town would not win these games if mafia didn´t fuck up or if mafia did always act naturally towards each other. Most mafia players can´t do that, and any mafia player can´t do that all of the time. That´s what exposes them and that´s how you get out of a bad spot if people think you are mafia. The one of you four who is town is our best (and pretty much only) chance of winning by starting discussion between these four people. For me/hz/Clarity/Cora/Oats it is incredibly hard to tell the difference between you all because you have not been interacting with each other for a long time. You fucking know that you have made 740 posts this game? 500 must be about how FT and XRZ are scum. And only that. | ||
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1) First pages of FT filter is trying to interact with everybody to find out who scum is. It looks perfectly fine as a town player to do this. 2) From page 4-5 there are some lists that make sense and explain his thoughts. It looks really good and possible. 3) Page 6 he completely changed his ideas based on the flip. He gets a lot of flak for it but it makes perfect sense once more. 4) Page 7/8 he again gives his reads on all people. 5) 9-... Him defending himself in the lynch 6) Didn't bother with this on Day 3. Tried to read the game and asked some silly questions. Decided to vote XRZ and that is that. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:20 hzflank wrote: Inconsistent. Explanation on read change? That's me saying the same thing 2 times. wtf is wrong with you? 1) Hz, oats is scum 2) hz or rayn looks scum, if rayn doesn't die today Oats looks extremely bad. I would like to add that I don't think both hz/rayn is scum. I actually think we still got a blue hiding lol. I just can't believe that both of these are town after XRZ lynch. | ||
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Now that we are actually discussing reads we are all gone? Tell me why FT is scum. Read his filter. I got time. Let's look. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:26 hzflank wrote: 1) Oats is scum. Hz is not scum if Rayn survives. 2) Hz is scum. Oats is not scum if Rayn survives. That is not the same thing. What? I connect Oats twice with Rayn. Read it again. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:34 hzflank wrote: Read dad 2 and 3. Have not read day 1 in a long time. IIRC Day 1 was looking town, except for the exchange with Exar. Day 2 FT was more town at the time. Day 3 FT looks like scum. FT was not putting a lot of thought into solving anything day 3, either scum or yolo. Day 2 he was so close to being lynched. Under heavy pressure it is hard to say things when everything you read is: guys if XRZ flips scum FT is scum in these combinations BUT if XRZ flips town FT is scum in these combinations. It's sad. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote: Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam. … Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see. To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:38 hzflank wrote: I am talking about before that. He was not trying to solve anything before I got super deep into associations. In fact when I said that stuff about lynch order it was all a trap for FT (JAT thought the trap was for him), but FT did not really post after that. But you think that FT his day 2 looked scum? Why? | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote: Finally a good post. But I am on a point that I put you are hz between those. Also Oats if you don't die today. I am on a point that I put rayn and hz on that scumlist. Also Oats if rayn doesn't die today. It's exactly the same. ffs. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote: They can easily roleblock rayn and keep him alive. How does that change the alignment of rayn oats and hz? How I see rayn at this point. Day 1: YELL KOSHI LYNCH FT LYNCH LIKE I DO EVERY FUCKING GAME. Day 2: YELL FT LYNCH MAKE IT HAPPEN! (like I said FT is not even looking scummy) Day 3: START THE DAY PROVING XRZ IS SCUM (why the fuck?) CONTINUE YELLING XRZ IS SCUM 24/7 Rayn his 700 posts. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:44 justanothertownie wrote: But how much sense does one blue (vet) make if scum has a roleblocker? Not much. Maybe there is a blue still hiding. Who knows. No doc on vivax is strange. No doc on Vayne isn't. We will see. | ||
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However, rayn has been on FT this entire game. Why are you not discussing this with rayn? | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:45 hzflank wrote: No, assuming that Rayn dies: 1) hz + Oats 2) hz + Oats Assuming that Rayn does not die: 1) Rayn + Oats 2) Rayn + hz It was not exactly the same. You changed it and I asked why. If you are not going to tell me why then there is no point in discussing it. Ughhhhh, can somebody else tell me that I changed it? Because I think I didn't. I don't see it. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:56 justanothertownie wrote: But would 1 vet be balanced in a 10/4 majority setup? Sorry, I don't know about this stuff. If scum has basically 4 goons then it is possible. (Without a rayn as cop a RB does nothing. Godfather nothing as well.) But meh, I think that rayn is a cop. Also, can you stop making posts about setup and tell us why FT is scum. Mr. I-say-I-make-cases-but-I-never-do-ever. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:51 hzflank wrote: I thought that Rayn might be scum on D2. I was going to go hard after Rayn D3 but then the Exar thing happened. Now I believe that Rayn is town. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Because he tunnels your townread and a flipped town? | ||
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JAT could be scum. Reasons have been given before. Mr. I never my cases and ask silly questions. This is me being scum in NWM. Fuck this this guy is red if he doesn't step it up. Rayn could be scum, but I don't think so, he is just terrible town. I am going to rethink this when he claims roleblocked. hzflank is not terrible so I think he is scum. FT is town. I don't see why he is scum. Cora. I don't know, stubborn player for sure. Clarity. Town. The good kind. Oats. Probably scum getting carried. Just comes in to put some more venom in this thread. Stutters Who the fuck knows. I made a case on this guy. I already forgot what was in that. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:03 hzflank wrote: Because he casually claimed cop and stuck with it. Because the N1 check he claims to have made makes sense considering Rayne's play on D2. As scum Rayn did not need to force that lynch on FT by claiming cop. It would of been much better to just sac Malongo. Something he did as soon as another(!) cop just said that there was a red check on Malongo? First reaction should be OMG THERE IS ANOTHER COP?? REALLY? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, we kill Koshi tomorrow. You should be dead tomorrow. Dumbass. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:07 Clarity_nl wrote: God I hope scum kill me. Koshi thinks rayn and hz are both scum. 1 of them. Sure. I see it happen. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:09 hzflank wrote: Rayn claimed first. Rayn did not care about lynching Malongo at that point. With no Framer in the setup it was 1-1 worst case, and no point in risking lynching a cop before a VT. Oh lol. I know why rayn is scum. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:12 hzflank wrote: Actually Koshi, did you honestly think that Exar claimed first? That particular fact should of been very relevant to deciding who you lynched on both D2 and D3. No you misread/ I was not clear enough. Sorry. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:14 FirmTofu wrote: Ebwop: he would realize that I am the best alternative to a mislynch on him I always said you were town. ALWAYS. But I was on you because I also thought Maongo was town -_-. And we wanted a lynch... | ||
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2) Rayn starts wagoning FT (even though we agree FT looked pretty town right, but rayn can hide in his FT tunnel) 3) Rayn casually claims he is cop, I don't really know why exactly he did this. How did that conversation with Vayne go? 4) People start listening to rayn, FT wagon is getting steam. 5) XRZ claims a red check on Malongo 6) Rayn does not think about a fake claim to save FT/Cora, rayn believes in the red check because he knows it is true (remember rayn also saying Malongo is not scum Day 2) and he believes in another cop because he isn't one. Remember Vayne his reaction? Vayne thought that the cop was fake and went for XRZ, after that the XRZ claim looked right Vayne looked at rayn. Is this not somthing that a townie wouldn't do? Who thinks like that. You are a cop and a townie. You instantly believe a red check by another cop? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Because I'm scum with rayn and hz. All we did day 3 was circlejerk eachother and we just laughed and laughed in the scum qt. No, my point is. Vayne is on Malongo and switches to XRZ because he claimed cop over rayn. Rayn does not believe Malongo is scum but as cop instantly believes XRZ his redcheck on Malongo. Is that not strange? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:26 hzflank wrote: So why are people saying all of this about Rayn before the night action deadline? You want to talk about bad town play...if you actually believe that Rayn is scum then you should of waited until the day phase. I know. But let's see if he dies. If he dies it looks really bad for me. I can tell you. Scum likes that. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty sure rayn called me an idiot (correctly) for voting the claimed cop over the claimed cop's red check, because at worst it's a 1 for 1 (unless ofcourse its town faking a red check LOL) I don't recall him immediately believing the claim, as much as I remember him just making logical sense in the situation. You're saying scum have a roleblocker, but town has no cop or other powerrole that can be blocked? Maybe, 4 goons vs 9VT+Vet is possible. But I am actually doing scumhunting atm. This is scumhunting, in case you don't recognize it anymore after hz and rayn their parade on Day 3. Tell me why cop rayn believes cop XRZ his redclaim on rayns townie read Malongo. Vayne switched from Malongo to XRZ. You switched to XRZ. hzflank switched to XRZ. You all thought wrong? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:31 Clarity_nl wrote: By the way Koshi This is called sarcasm, not to be taken literally. I wanna make it clear, the 2nd bit is sarcasm No the first I'm pretty sure he means the first part. hehe. Second time he says it though. First time it didn't look like sarcasm. Maybe it was. | ||
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That's where I am atm. I have a feeling he isn't going to die, being alive and pointing me out as a red check would be hilarious but effective. Oh we will see. I will have a fun time tomorrow. I already know that. | ||
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On August 05 2013 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: No way he isn't going to be roleblocked if he doesn't die. Ahyeah. lol. | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:11 hzflank wrote: I think one of Tofu and Stutters is scum, but not both. I am half aiming for town. Ughhh, I completely disagree. Stutters at least tried to oppose the XRZ lynch for a while. Ahh well. Wtf do I know. Let's see some red on Tofu, at least I can get lynched with peace. | ||
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The little resistance I remember him putting up against the XRZ lynch is really everything he did. Just enough to make it look like he didn't sheep and then placed his vote comfortable on XRZ. | ||
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I am not scum. I don't believe FT is scum. I have posted so much. Is there really nothing that makes me a higher percentage town than any of those 2. I know you guys want to lynch somewhere in FT/Koshi/JAT/Stutters but can you please consider going into JAT/Stutters first and then go after FT/Koshi. I mean, there must be some redeeming shit left and right on me. Also, please make a case when you vote for me. Otherwise I can't defend me at all. So I went 180 again and I no longer think rayn is scum. Just horrible wrong about XRZ and FT. I guess his way of pushing his scumreads is his way of playing and if he flips town this game I am going to yell at him in future games if I see him doing that again. I am going to look for scum 3 now. It must be somebody that actually posts shit. But I got no clue atm. | ||
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On August 05 2013 19:00 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS might be scum actually. Hmm. Stubborn like fuck player. But rayn got a greencheck and I am not going to believe Godfather + RB vs Cop. | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote: If Exar is not scum: Oats Clarity CJS Rayn Stutters hzflank Koshi Tofu JAT Exar I am surprised that Koshi, Tofu and JAT do not think that Exar is likely scum. Just look at that shit. Look at it. Stutters is a null read. This post was made by hz on his filter page 22. The next 4 pages hz makes a million fucking scumteams and Stutters is not in a single one. How the fuck does something like that happens. This post is made on page 26 of his filter. In the 80 posts between my first quote and the post below Stutters is not mentioned. On August 04 2013 00:14 hzflank wrote: I agree that lynching XRZ is the safest play. I am just having a hard time for 2 reasons: I think Clarity is likely town and I cannot understand why scum-XRZ unclaimed when he did. The three likely scum-team would be: XRZ Cora Clarity XRZ FT Koshi FT Koshi JAT As scum XRZ would not of claimed cop unless either Cora or FT were scum. I am doubting that Stutters and FT are both scum. I suppose it could be Stutters, Koshi and JAT, but I see that as less likely. Therefore we also get a lot of information from lynching FT or Koshi. And FT just really looks like scum. Also, if you count the fourth potential scum team then Koshi is on 3 out of 4, so he might be a good lynch. And soooo much energy that hzflank puts is saying he is rereading filters to find that little bit of evidence why XRZ might have copclaimed as town... But then eventually it also comes down that XRZ flipping town on this lynch might not be the worst thing ever.... It's just bad. But I do know we are not lynching hz... There is so much sloppy play here. And Stutters and JAT are just hiding and hiding and hiding. | ||
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FT is going to be town. Rayn is going to be town. But lol. just lol. Stutters is going to be scum, hiding in this game only to come out to trow some shit at FT and validate his vote on XRZ. JAT is going to be scum. Tofu case is pretty good. On top of that this guy keeps promising making cases but never does. Probably afraid after those 2 horrible first cases he posted. hz is going to be the mastermind. well played by him. but I could have caught you if I didn't fuck up in the start. | ||
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The only problem I have with Cora is his change in opinion about FT. I don't see where that happened. In the early game he was defending FT and didn't say he was scum, even in the Malongo lynch Cora was still believing that FT was town. But Cora has always found me scummy. So him voting me is normal, hell, it might even be why he thinks FT is scummy now. Cora believed that Malongo was scum after his case, he didn't want to go for FT and sticked to that. Same with XRZ. Both times he was right (I am saying FT is town) and Cora should not been seen as scum for being right. On August 05 2013 00:58 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I just stated my "scumteam"... Koshi/JAT/Stutters/Malongo That's actually a perfect scumteam. Maybe he is the scumleader and just named his fellow 3 scummies and is going to push me for the win, but I don't think that is true. Maybe the defense of XRZ was done to make this post On August 05 2013 10:34 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Really guys...after the XRZ flip are you NOT going to listen to me? Come on. But I still don't think so. Look, if we can lynch JAT/Stutters first and then we got to pick between Cora/hz/Koshi then I am still going for hz. | ||
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On August 05 2013 20:07 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you mean by 'going to be'? also if he's scum, didnt you catch him? What are you even saying in that paragraph? I am going to get lynched and the game is over. That's what I am saying. I am already searching the scumteam for endgame cred. | ||
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2 towns + 3 scums = bye Koshi. On top of that FT will consolidate on me if it is 4/3 because I was magically able to convince either rayn/cora... lol it's over. Rayn wont like it that I am using "fear" as a motivator for not voting me but I know we are going to lose and it's sad. | ||
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On top of that FT will consolidate on me if it is 4/3 in case I was magically able to convince either rayn/cora... | ||
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1) You are fucking lying! You said Paper his reads weren't good and you asked more information on 3 different town reads (vayne, Koshi, Oats) off him. You sticked your vote on Paper for this reason and ever took it off. This looked like a pressure vote but you actaully never pressured him beyond this point. 2) Koshi just realized here that his play was fucking awful up until this point. Getting heat was the reason for me to actually filter dive you and see that people were right to call you scummy. You indeed just ad homined me and just like that time you are again not defending the points against yourself but just stating I am scum/FT is scum. ezpz 3) meh, I can see this being true. 4) I don't really remember why you actually made that post. Of course you weren't going to die. Did somebody claim that? How come that you make so many posts promising things in the future? Here you say that your ideas will be influanced by the nightkill, in other posts you promise cases, but in the end you never deliver. Saying that "if I was scum I wouldn't have done that" is an extremely bad excuse. You always make posts that you prefered you didn't make as town/scum/3rd party. Especially as an anti town party you are going to say I wouldn't have done that because you know what you should have done in that anti town mindsset. You are scum JAT. Stop defending and start making cases on me / Tofu. You haven't done any scumhunting in the past 100 hours. It's pathetic that I will get lynched over somebody like you. | ||
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Small question: Why would I bother buddying both Malongo and FirmTofu as scumteam? I could understand FirmTofu because our asses are on the line atm (lol) but why do it with Malongo? | ||
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On August 05 2013 22:47 Stutters695 wrote: Nah dawg, FT, you and JAT. In that order. Also, I don't "hide" as scum, my posting is pretty standard regardless of alignment. Just depends on how busy I am. All those 1 liners towards a pretty town FT during day 1 & day 2 were not standard Stutters. | ||
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Yes, I am currently not in the best place. What do you want me to say. "yay! I am going to get lynched" ? | ||
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On August 06 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i can´t really understand why you are asking people to make a case on you and when they do your answer is "Yeah, I am out of ammo. It's what it is. It looks bad and that's that. A lot of my scumminess is based on association and a bad first day / early day 2. Lessons learned." I don´t know, you don´t even want to defend yourself. I am going to be really sorry if you are town but there is no way i am not going to vote for you for this kind of behaviour, it´s not town. It actually is. But you can't recognize town behaviour. That's pretty obvious. On August 06 2013 00:19 justanothertownie wrote: He secretly hoped I wouldn't make a case on him. Nha, I hoped it would be more things I can actually defend myself against. But what can I say? You guys believe I play scum like this so me saying I wouldn't doesn't make much sense. And who knows? Maybe I am playing scum like this... I have a feeling a lot of people are not yet voting me for some strange reason. I am waiting a bit on that. | ||
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If I took the game more serious day 1, didn't troll day 2 and actually looked into JAT before going crazy, I might have been able to change the tides of this game. But I made horrible mistakes and I will pay for them. Below you will find my scumteam and I think I might have been able to point them all 3 out with some more town kred and better play. Or at least have more information to actually find the 3 scummers. I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town, probably not. This is my last post. There is no point in me trying to defend me further if 3/3 hz/rayn/cora are going to lynch me. Somewhat disappointed that they didn't try to put some pressure elsewhere put meh, I am not going to blame them for lynching me. Maybe for some other shit but dnu. Endgame cred (even though I don't deserve any): JAT, Stutters & hzflank. laters. | ||
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On August 06 2013 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote: get out then. You are doing nothing to try and defend yourself, push someone else. Did you even read preceding pages? Thats why I said rayn redeemed himself. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:02 hzflank wrote: If there is a Vig will you please just shoot me right now I know that some of you will think that this is a terrible play. Considering the setup a day two mislych is likely to be really bad for town. If the NK has gone through then we need 7 to lynch. Three people have already said that want to lynch me today and at least two others think that I am scum. People will probably think that I should just man up and play standard. However, I was the person who pushed hardest for the lynch on town on day one. There is going to be an attempt to lynch me today, and in order to thwart it I need to be a driving force in lynching someone else. If I do that and accidentally target town then I am going to have a really hard time defending myself on day 3 and scum will likely win. So sorry for being a pussy but I am making this play. I am claiming Veteran. If we have a Vig and he can shoot me now then we will be confirmed town to each other. We will be confirmed same-alignment to the rest of the town and they should think that we are both likely town, especially if there is no second Vet or Vig. Sorry if this is a terrible play, but I think that it has a reasonable chance of making it more likely for town to win the game. I could not wait until later in the day as I cannot risk the only Vig using his shot on someone else (if we even have a Vig). If we don't have a Vig I realise that my Vet claim is not great. But to be honest, there would have to be a drastic change in the game for me to be a night kill target any time soon. I realise that I have put myself in a bad position for a Vet role, but if Paper flipped red then I thought I would be a good NK target. Also, you now know why my tone has been more aggressive than usual this game. If it's worth anything my silly super soft-doctor claim during the night was an attempt to draw the night kill. I doubt that it will have worked. If there is no Vig then take this as you will. It would probably be null to me but that's for you to decide. If you want find town. Look at who these guys are. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: contrived rubbish, gut says he is scum On July 30 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them? Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia. Thoughts? On July 30 2013 07:57 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't expect to die tonight, but here's a list anyway. xrz: Slight town, his little "I figured it out" on day one with him thinking one of FT or Paper HAS to be scum (even if wrong) makes him town in my eyes. You don't really see this logic from scum, let alone that he kept it up consistently throughout day 1. Also he's had a townread on me with GOOD REASONS for it. FirmTofu: Ugh, really, I think he's town. Yes, it's mainly because of him going OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP. rayn: I think him jumping on Koshi a bit before lynchtime the way he did makes him lean town, regardless of what Paper flipped. His night 1 however makes me very wary. Oats: Town, spammy oats who speaks his mind is town oats. Sadly he doesn't read the thread before speaking as either alignment. CJS: He town yo. Vayne: vigi this fuck, useless. The "day 1 is useless stuff" I can swallow but then going "I told you so" during n2 and still not explaining the shit he's spewing, useless or scum. Malongo: I'm clueless about him now after learning about his meta. Vivax: I mean, he's supposed to be playing good but he's pushing me. He also just kinda jumped on everything in the thread when I asked him for the case. Lot of effort to "win" though, leaning town. Koshi: I really hated his useless lists day 1. Gets heavy pressure and does this: I mean, who does that? JAT: Dunno. If my two scumreads are correct I guess he's town? hzflank: I kind of ignored my gut on day 1 when I had that interaction with him. He felt extremely afraid and he felt like I was targetting him despite me not doing anything close to that. I think scum are more likely to have this kneejerk defensive response. All the other reasons have been beaten to death. Yes he has this one part in this one post that looks townie but its less convincing that FirmTofu's thing. Stutters: Leaning more and more scum on him. It's not about the short filter, I did look and yes, his meta is to not post that much especially day 1. First, his constant references to his activity always being low, despite when people pressure him they don't mention his activity (except for vivax day 1) His day 1 "case" on Vivax is pretty atrocious. Wanting to lynch CJS on day 1 because of his ragequit is dumb or scum. Night 1 he jumps on the FT bandwagon but decides he needs to have his own unique reasons (which always smells scummy to me) My only problem is, obviously, currently hz is calling stutters scum. Doesn't mean they can't both be scum, but I think it makes it less likely. Regardless, theres my list, Stutters is a good lynch tomorrow. I'm going to bed nao, night night peoples. I know that XRZ briefly commented on my cases "being a good find" and that JAT was looking at hz as well. But JAT also said I was scum during that night so in the end meh. I don't know who his partners are. Maybe JAT. Maybe Stutters. Maybe FT. I think Oats and Cora are town. But they got still the smallest chance to flip red. Rayn is now confirmed town for me. I know 1 thing. There is really no point in going after one of those 3 maybies. It is me or hzflank tbh. PS: I see that I quoted VA so it looks that he one of the three hz spoke of being sure he was scum. Obviously the it is that it was Koshi, Clarity and rayn. VA, XRZ, Vivax (?) were probably the people hz meant by maybies. | ||
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I can only keep repeating that I am not scum. I would suggest to not go after FT today, he was just like me in a million association cases by hzflank. If you don't want to go hzflank, go stutters or JAT. This is being my last line of defense. So rayn/cora can't say I didn't try anything to prevent my lynch as town. I know I played bad, but you should have lynched me over XRZ day 3 if you thought that. Or lynched me Day 2. Why wasn't I even talked about suddenly in day 2? Just being kept alive by scum/randomness to keep me around for moments like this. Lesson: Kill bad town on the day they are bad. Don't take them with you for a rainy day. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:00 VayneAuthority wrote: nah exarzee went full retard there. Hz was trying to protect him from dying tonight but he's too dumb to realize it, just like his dumb last second claim hz thought XRZ was the cop. Not Rayn. This is one of the last posts by VA. I was looking for something else but couldn't find it. | ||
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Cora is 100% town because of that. But convincing him that I am not scum is going to be haaaaaardddddddd. | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:37 hzflank wrote: Cora's last post before the day post. Rayn is fake-cop scum. Clarity is town (scum have roleblocker). XRZ is cop. hzflank is null (make fake claim vet?). I don't even need to tell you what I think about this. YOU WERE THINKING THE SAME THING HZ. SO FUNNY. | ||
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On August 01 2013 09:25 hzflank wrote: Well you are a heck of a long way behind Rayn, and Still a very long way behind Stutters. After that I do not know. You are not confirmed town, though. On August 02 2013 04:23 hzflank wrote: Then you have no idea how to find scum. How the hell do you get strong town reads on those three people? Vayne and GJS were right to vote for Mal early, but you need to look at their reasoning. heck, Vayne was not even voting for Mal because he thought that Mal was scum. As for you having a strong town read on Rayn...why are you so quick to believe that there are two cops in this game? Sure it is possible but it is not likely (there is no framer or miller). CJS has barely been active and has spent the entire on N2 throwing useless shit at Rayn. Rayn has done a bunch of scummy stuff this game and all people are talking about is meta and things that do not even prove Rayn is scum. You think Rayn is town and Clarity is scum? So you think that town has 2 cops and scum do not have a roleblocker? wtf. On August 02 2013 22:43 hzflank wrote: Also, if FT is scum the green check on Cora makes sense. FT (and Koshi and XRZ) were too willing to switch vote from FT to Cora. If FT scum then Koshi is probably scum too, but can get to that later. I need to put a lot more thought into XRZ before I give a read on him. Look how hz thinks during the night. This combined with my earlier post that hz tried to "save" XRZ during the night because XRZ is the cop. 1) hz believes rayn is scum and that XRZ is the real cop. I am not even close to rayn being scum. 2) hz criticizes his townread XRZ for thinking rayn is town. 3) hz believes the rayn check and says I am scum based on association with FT. There is much more things like this in hz his filter (remember my first case, his illogical thinking back then). hz is the leader of the scums. Please remember that somebody like Paper got lynched, this was great work by the scumteam. Biggest pushers were hz, JAT. Stutters casually added his vote adding he had no problems going somebody else. Malongo bussing his teammate with me is interesting but was it to discredit me? I don't have prove for that. | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:04 hzflank wrote: If Exar is not scum: Oats Clarity CJS Rayn Stutters hzflank Koshi Tofu JAT Exar I am surprised that Koshi, Tofu and JAT do not think that Exar is likely scum. This is a very early association case. But do you people see? So when XRZ is not scum the people that don't think he is scum are scum. HOW THE FUCK? This is another shitlist by hzflank. I fucking fell for all this shit. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:02 hzflank wrote: If there is a Vig will you please just shoot me right now I know that some of you will think that this is a terrible play. Considering the setup a day two mislych is likely to be really bad for town. If the NK has gone through then we need 7 to lynch. Three people have already said that want to lynch me today and at least two others think that I am scum. People will probably think that I should just man up and play standard. However, I was the person who pushed hardest for the lynch on town on day one. There is going to be an attempt to lynch me today, and in order to thwart it I need to be a driving force in lynching someone else. If I do that and accidentally target town then I am going to have a really hard time defending myself on day 3 and scum will likely win. So sorry for being a pussy but I am making this play. I am claiming Veteran. If we have a Vig and he can shoot me now then we will be confirmed town to each other. We will be confirmed same-alignment to the rest of the town and they should think that we are both likely town, especially if there is no second Vet or Vig. Sorry if this is a terrible play, but I think that it has a reasonable chance of making it more likely for town to win the game. I could not wait until later in the day as I cannot risk the only Vig using his shot on someone else (if we even have a Vig). If we don't have a Vig I realise that my Vet claim is not great. But to be honest, there would have to be a drastic change in the game for me to be a night kill target any time soon. I realise that I have put myself in a bad position for a Vet role, but if Paper flipped red then I thought I would be a good NK target. Also, you now know why my tone has been more aggressive than usual this game. If it's worth anything my silly super soft-doctor claim during the night was an attempt to draw the night kill. I doubt that it will have worked. If there is no Vig then take this as you will. It would probably be null to me but that's for you to decide. On July 30 2013 10:43 hzflank wrote: From my PoV this is also solid town: Scum would of laughed their asses off if a Vig had killed me. The only treath to his fake claim. Good thing that a "townie" fixed that for him. Ohhh, you will see this play in the scum QT after this game. Fucking afk Stutters 5 minutes after hz his fakeclaim HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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I would LOVE to lynch hz now because I am 100% certain about him. But I know you guys are like 99% certain that I am scum and that my team are the other baddies/afkers so ... But come on give me the benefit of the doubt. Rayn/Cora please. Do you think I would play this way in a scumteam that is Malongo/Koshi/FT/Stutters? | ||
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On August 06 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote: wait, explain why hzflank would fakeclaim vet in the first place as scum? Look, there were multiple people thinking he was scum, he knew that all those people were town so he panicked a bit during the night. Look at how it worked out. Perfect? Is it normal that town has a vet compared to a roleblocker? Hz knew already that they had a roleblocker. So he can think that there are 2 roles he should be blocking, so that a veteran is unlikely. Let's say that scum only has RB + 3 goons. hz also knew that they had only 1 kp. I am thinking that with scum extra information he knew he could claim vet. So the only problem might have been a vigi but Stutters made sure that the vigi wouldn't shoot him. | ||
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But scum has been hunting after that fact. That there are 2 roles. So it does make sense that scum knows that hz is not a blue role? | ||
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On August 06 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote: hz nothing meaning hz fakeclaimed vet or is scum? I DONT GET IT. Arguably, vayne was the sanest useful town member at that point. STOP WIFOMING THAT NIGHT KILL. It didnt work yesterday and it wont work today man. To clarify myself. If hz is scum, he thinks that there are still 2 blue roles out there. He thought (as I proved before, that rayn was fake) so he RB on XRZ and kills vayne. Or he kills vayne because vayne is a strong player and he wanted him death, and he roleblocks XRZ because he thinks rayn is a fake call. But let's drop the wifoming around that then... I never took the Vayne nightkill into consideration for believing hz is scum. | ||
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Why would he claim as town really? Because he would have to defend himself? Look how active this guy is. If he knows he is town let the scummies attack him, he knows he can counter and point out the mistakes + find scum. Or claim it when he actually is going to get lynched? Pff. I don't like the claim as town. Also look at how he played Day 1 and then how he played Day 2. He clearly was shaken by the red check he got during Day 1/Night 1. His day 2 posting was pretty laid back and he asked questions to everybody, something he clearly didn't feel to do when he was almost entirely on Paper day 1. While hz claimed that he was only 50% certain about Paper (which was a lie to get away from my case and the illogical step he made there.). Hz his day 2 was asking a lot of questions to everybody and even during the lynch he was asking shitty questions. Day 3 was making association cases. Day 4 is funny to read. Some things are quite hilarious if know hz is scum. Like pushing away question about XRZ lynch because we will talk about it endgame. Or his searching for scum after my lynch. trololol. | ||
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On August 06 2013 23:56 hzflank wrote: Koshi stop messing up the thread. I realise that you are desperate at this point but you already claimed scum. I meant if I was in your town position. lol. Ah well. Cora and rayn. We will see. | ||
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If there was somebody like me, I don't know if I would defend that guy as a town player, I would blame him for scum as well. | ||
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You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself. | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:08 hzflank wrote: You just defended for me. If you are town and I am scum then I would of just kept quiet today and let your lynch go through. Instead I have been active and trying to solve the game. You haven't fucking tried to save me at all today. XRZ on the other hand you reread a million filters. | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:19 hzflank wrote: Yes, it is MYLO so if you flip town then the game ends. So lets say that you are town and I am scum, why would of made the thread more active today? I would just of kept quiet and let your lynch go through. What I am instead doing is preparing for when you flip scum. Just stop Koshi. All you are doing is running interference to stop me scum-hunting your teammates. This is also such a scumtell. "why would I do x as scum, as scum I would do y". You only say that shit when you are in that mindset. The times I did shit as SK and already planned answers like that. "Why would I just say that Korynne was scum as SK, I would just have shot her" | ||
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On August 07 2013 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would rather voter for Stutters but i am done with Corazon so whatever. See how i cleraly point out Stutters´ defensive behavior about me not getting night killed and then he silently sweeps it under the rug when i clearly point out he is lying. Firmtofu is mafia aswell, he is wanting us to consolidate and then he votes for a target that´s not getting lynched today. Oatsmaster is after re-evaluating not mafia. He says whatever comes to his mind. I dunno which on of Koshi/JAT is mafia, but you started trying too late if you are town. hzflank is amongst the people who have been trying to solve this game and Koshi´s attack on him is beyond stupid. ugh, but he actually is scum. And no he hasn't been solving this game at all. You mean him pushing Paper day 1, XRZ day 3 and Koshi day 4? Because I have a surprise for you. Anyway, if I can't convince you I am not going to bother with Cora lol. But depending on the flips endgame I played a pretty good game, except the trolling early day 2. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:11 hzflank wrote: I don't know what you mean by this part. Also, if Koshi is town then he is completely attacking the wrong people. I do not see why a town-Koshi would still be attacking me at this point. Ok hz, can we have a talk? | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:17 hzflank wrote: As long as it is productive. I dont want 3 pages of spam that gets in the way of people looking at productive scumhunting, which from my position is what it seems you have been doing. Ok so here is my game. I defended Paper because I believed he was town, while my vote was on him. I didn't believe you were town for reasons given. I defended FT because I believe he is town, while my vote was on him. Obviously I wanted to lynch Cora instead because at that point he was being stubborn about FT being town while I was not. I did not defend XRZ because I believed that you and rayn were town and I had a busy weekend. Him flipping town made me look at you and rayn once more. First rayn, (and I made cases) and now you (and read the shit I say, it fucking makes sense) some of it at least _____________________________________ The reasons why you say I am scum are almost all association cases. I have been pretty close to perfect town except for early day 2 and let's say the lists on day 1. Looks what happens if I get lynched and I flip town. It would look bad on me when 1) you flip town 2) FT flips scum But look how good I look when 1) you flip town 2) FT flips town The only thing you can actually hold over me is being wrong about you and trolling day 2. I did not push Paper, I did not push XRZ. I did scumhunt A LOT, I made cases on numerous people. (was wrong about vayne, and rayn for a while) I would look extremely good if: 1) you flip scum 2) FT flips town Then I am just going to blame rayn. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:39 hzflank wrote: Okay Koshi, being productive means we need to look at who to lynch other than you and me. There are 3 scum, Rayn and Cora are likely town. What do you think of my points against Oats? I cannot bring myself to lynch anybody else than you tbh. Everything else is going to look bad anyway. You guys decide, if it is me, it is me, if it is somebody else it is that guy. I put my vote in rayn his hands. I know I am town, everything is better for town than me. I still think you are scum. I don't think we will eventually win this game unless I am wrong about FT or Oats. But with rayn wanting to check Oats I just don't believe it. I put all my money on hzflank/Stutters/JAT(/FT but very unlikely) But I might be wrong, and then you guys need to decide it. Shit like you claiming vet and 5 mins later Stutters saying "don't shoot hz" is just fucking ridiculous in my eyes. Decide w.e you want. If you are town, you can lynch whoever you want and I will add my vote. I really think you are scum hz. I am 100% certain. I can only hope you are town. It's like you thinking XRZ was town or you thinking Paper was town. We are ofc another day further but meh. I can't do better than this. I really 100% believe I am right about the scumteam. I cannot look at other shit anymore before todays lynch. And you wouldn't trust me anyway. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well vote for Stutters then Koshi? It does not look any worse for you. Yeah I will obviously. I just thought you guys would see what I saw about hz. ##unvote ##vote: Stutters | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: So we are probably losing the game if Koshi and hz are both town. They will vote for each other at LYLO no matter what. hz looks far better than Koshi. Koshi is not willing to let go of hz. Good job Koshi, there is only one correct play and that is to lynch you. I don't understand why that is true? I just said that I will copy your vote? Obviously I will always vote somebody else than me. But that should never be a problem even if we are both town? Except for when both me, hz and a random 3rd is alive I guess... Well, I can only repeat what I said... Maybe I change about hz after the lynch. But I will probably keep making cases on hz, if they all get debunked it is what it is. Vote me rayn but tell me that I played a good game if eventually hz flips scum and FT flips town. If both flip otherwise I agree I played a shitty game. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:30 hzflank wrote: I have said that I am not willing to lynch Stutters today. The Stutters lynch will not happen without me on board. If you are town and we lynch you then town loses. Why are you unwilling to got for a lynch on Oats? I am pretty sure he is town. But w.e. If we lose by lynching me or Oats. ##unvote ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:33 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: In my opinion Koshi is only digging a bigger hole for himself with his hz ramblings. hz is not going to get lynched today and his attack on hz just wreaks of desperation. I'm drawing a line here: If you (talking to everyone) are town, you are going to vote to Koshi. If you do not, it's open season on your head(s). ## unvote ##vote: Koshi It's over. I check back in 3 hours for 1 last time. | ||
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KOSHI CAN VOTE ON HIMSELF. DONT BOTHER LADS. GAME WILL BE OVER IN 6 HOURS. I AM NOT TRYING TO REMOVING ANY DISCUSSING, AND IF I WAS YOU WILL HAVE 72 HOURS AFTER THIS. THE OBJECTIVE FOR WINNING THE GAME IS DOWN THE DRAIN. hz is scum and will win Depending on other flips we will see who looked good as town. | ||
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##Vote: Stutters meh I haven't lost a game yet. Shouldn't have voted in that poll and shouldn't have talked. Mistakes are mistakes. | ||
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And wtf were you doing on the lynch Day 2? All these fucking questions? jeez. | ||
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My day 2 was horrible. The worst part was that I felt it mentally. I felt like a failure and I just didn't play my game anymore. So silly. meh, learning money. | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is pretty obviously town btw. You keep making me laugh... I have been playing my 100% town game since day 2. No kidding here. 100% town. I can't be more town. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well if Corazon is mafia the game was invalid. If that is the scumteam you made 800 posts blaming townies for being scum. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop posting already. You are dead and the game is not over. umad? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:07 Malongo wrote: Can i start laughing? Join me. I didn't do anything else last 20 minutes. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:15 hzflank wrote: Yeah no wonder Cora was so useless D4. I gave him a free pass because of the green check. Also Koshi, why tunnel me D1 without any reason?  That seriously made things harder for me. You never even made a good case.And you gits should of read my D4 case on Oats. It was solid and he squirmed when I questioned him about it :/ Pfffffffffff, so many people were thinking you were scum. That's why you had to claim. Don't know man, your day 1 really wasn't that good. I don't know why but Paper looked totes town to me. And instead of being smart and defend Paper properly I attacked you... Sorry. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: Must have been really funny being scum this game. Town killed itself. That's how we roll. 5000 posts in this game and 4500 were town killing themselves. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes because townies did dumb stuff to get themselves lynched. Including you. agreed! | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:23 justanothertownie wrote: No, I'm not a smurf and no, I don't know XRZ how did you even come up with that? Nha, my imagination. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because seriously. If i had not pushed lynches and XRZ had not done what he did on D2 we had ended up in a no-lynch every single day phase. People needed to consolidate on town reads because there were no candidates. wtf is that? People were pushing cases 1h before deadline "just to see who votes with them". That´s incredibly anti-town play. How the fuck is that true? Day 1 we had a lot of people online and got lynch Day 2 we would have had enough people online with VA/XRZ returning and lynched Day 3 you pushed XRZ with 300 posts and we had a lynch 15 hours in the day. Day 4 ... Look at how many of us are here :D | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:39 jrkirby wrote: No, oats saved the wrong dude. Please tell me who he protected each night. | ||
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Thanks to hzflank and Aquanim for being excellent co-hosts and leading the game both when I was banned from TL and on vacation over the weekend! Also being two amazingly friendly people. Somebody else cohosted. Forgot his name. D: | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:43 Aquanim wrote: Night 1: nobody Night 2: nobody Night 3: rayn Night 4: idk I wasn't here HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA | ||
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Thx hosts & Cohosts !!! Now I really go to bed. | ||
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I would edit but 3 times in 1 game is enough -_- | ||
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Most unbelievable play I will probably ever witness was Day 2 lynch: We are on FT who is scum, but we are willing to change to Cora who is scum but out of the fucking blue a town fakeclaims as cop and says he has a red check on Malongo, we lynch Malongo who is scum. After that we forgot about FT/Cora/Malongo due to all the bullshit on Day 3. PS: imo I did get lynched because all these association cases hz. Entire day 3 was really bad for a towny me. I was mad after XRZ misslynch because it isn't too great to see your name called out to be scum for 48 hours with the only reason if XRZ is scum then Koshi is scum x% of the time but if XRZ is town Koshi is scum y% of the time... I could endure it if you were right about XRZ, but you weren't. | ||
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You didn't lurk, but you forgot to use your medic ability night 1 and night 2. That shit is just unforgivable. I can't understand how something like that happens, sure, we all made mistakes inside the game, but not using such an important skill... Vivax would be alive for another 72 hours... | ||
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lol nothing has to happen. It's just such a big mistake to not use your role. You do agree that you saving Vivax would change this game completely and in theory only better for town? We could still have easily lost but not typing a small message to the host because you forgot you were the medic is silly. I had an incredible bad game myself, so I am not saying this loss is your fault or anything like that. But it is a mistake that I seriously look down upon. | ||
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Fact that we were lynching our townread is indeed /facepalm and a big part of my outrage towards hz. I should have defended Paper while going into the offense though. I will do that next games. | ||
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On August 07 2013 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno if you have played in a game where there is a majority lynch, but you really need to push your cases or consolidate with proper reasoning if you are not. 3 wagons in 10v4 at the end of the day is a disaster and will never get mafia lynched. Yeah, after I went after hz I should have switched to XRZ his scumread FT. I don't understand why I went Paper who was the wagon of my scumread. Shit doesn't make sense -_- | ||
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