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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 28 2013 22:13 GMT
#861
Arfffffff

Look I am out of this thread. Looks like we will lynch paper. I will add my vote if it is needed. I will check back 1 hour from now. Maybe you guys are right. I don't believe it. But meh.

Also, Vivax and VA are nowhere to be seen in the heat of battle. I noted that down as well!
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 22:13 GMT
#862
Koshi:

First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper
Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo.
When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him".

This makes no sense from town PoV. scum.
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.

He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 28 2013 22:13 GMT
#863
On July 29 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times.
A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did
B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie

That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts.

##Vote hzflank


No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2.
You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT MALONGO MAKES


No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible.

Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner.
FUCKING CONSOLIDATE
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 22:15 GMT
#864
I think we should kill Koshi or Paper. Maybe FT is town after all.
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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 28 2013 22:15 GMT
#865
I really starting to think this Koshi/Malongo/Paper thing is the whole scumteam.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 28 2013 22:15 GMT
#866
On July 29 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:

First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper
Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo.
When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him".

This makes no sense from town PoV. scum.
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.

He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps.


Lots of leaps in here.

He's asking why WE (you and me, the two active people who replied to the case in thread) ignored malongo.
Then hz asks if he should respond to the case NOW and he says no.
You're just misreading stuff I think, or I'm misunderstanding your case
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:19 GMT
#867
On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:
A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did


Those are not answers. The first is him saying that he did not read the thread properly, which is absolutely useless to everyone involved.

On July 28 2013 18:25 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 18:03 hzflank wrote:
On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote:

hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground.

Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far.



Oats' read on me was almost the exact opposite of your read on me. You cannot say that you liked the still liked the reasoning for Oats' read on me because he reasoning was mostly not reading my filter properly and a little philosophical differences.

Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be?


Maybe I am missing something, but reading through Oats' filter he doesn't push on you. He doesn't even directly call you scum. I am not sure what you are looking for here. I believe what he has said about you so far is decent. I really don't see how it contradicts my read. Stepping on toes = abrasive. Is your gripe with him calling you defensive?


On July 28 2013 18:29 Paperscraps wrote:
Oh well I misread that. Shouldn't be posting this late at night, haha. I disagree with Oats on that point.


The second is him refusing to answer my questions which again is useless.

On July 28 2013 18:31 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 18:28 hzflank wrote:
Also, you did not answer any of my other questions.

On July 28 2013 18:03 hzflank wrote:
Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be?


I don't really plan on answering it either. I shouldn't have to go through another person's whole filter and outline what I think are good reads or insight. You can choose to agree or disagree. That is all that really matters.


Do you expect me to think that Paper is town after that? If I thought that Paper was town after that then you should be worried.

On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:
B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie


You said yourself that most people see Paper as null towards Townie. I think that most people should of seen paper as scummy. How exactly does that make me scum?

We can have the lurker discussion later in depth. If you want I am happy to go into my mafia game theory with you, but now is not the time.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 22:20 GMT
#868
On July 29 2013 07:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:

First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper
Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo.
When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him".

This makes no sense from town PoV. scum.
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.

He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps.


Lots of leaps in here.

He's asking why WE (you and me, the two active people who replied to the case in thread) ignored malongo.
Then hz asks if he should respond to the case NOW and he says no.
You're just misreading stuff I think, or I'm misunderstanding your case

hz answers Koshi's post where he talks about Malongo and does not address Malongo at all. If you were Koshi would it be fishy to you (as hz is your top scumread)? I would sure as hell know what he thinks about Malongo, but he doesn't.
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22395 Posts
July 28 2013 22:20 GMT
#869
Rayn, what do you make of PS pushing JAT.

I'm more sure of JAT being scum than PS, and that makes me pretty doubtful.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 28 2013 22:23 GMT
#870
On July 29 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times.
A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did
B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie

That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts.

##Vote hzflank


No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2.
You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT MALONGO MAKES


No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible.

Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner.
FUCKING CONSOLIDATE

I am pointing out directly at the post where hz didnt want to pressure lurkers early because *it was best for the town to consolidate 2/3 wagons early* wich never happened because there was only one wagon on Paper. If he wanted more wagons then why did hz kept focusing on convincing everyone that Paper is mafia. Clarity you are actively ignoring that he lied.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22395 Posts
July 28 2013 22:24 GMT
#871
Jesus fuck why can't we lynch JAT.

This is a bit from PS which I find pretty townie. HZ actually used this as point AGAINST him, which was one of the points I found myself disagreeing with.

The change of mind shit after rereading is something rather townie imho.


Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.

exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 28 2013 22:25 GMT
#872
On July 29 2013 07:23 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times.
A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did
B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie

That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts.

##Vote hzflank


No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2.
You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit.

THAT'S NOT THE POINT MALONGO MAKES


No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible.

Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner.
FUCKING CONSOLIDATE

I am pointing out directly at the post where hz didnt want to pressure lurkers early because *it was best for the town to consolidate 2/3 wagons early* wich never happened because there was only one wagon on Paper. If he wanted more wagons then why did hz kept focusing on convincing everyone that Paper is mafia. Clarity you are actively ignoring that he lied.


I'm pretty sure 2 votes on papers isn't close to a wagon
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22395 Posts
July 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#873
Rereading I actually find that part of my case on JAT was wrong. He said this to Oats, but I missed it.

You start to look scummy to me because you are killing town atmosphere and keeping tunneling me with that joke of a case.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:28 GMT
#874
Malongo, I have not been focused on Paper all game. My vote has been on Paper all game but my attention has been on many people (hopefully everyone, although I did not engage everyone directly). There is plenty of evidence of me engaging people other than Paper.

Like everyone I may be naturally prone to tunneling which is why I actively try to avoid it. If you read my filter then you really should see this.

You seem to think I am scum because I lied but I do not think that I lied at all.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 28 2013 22:29 GMT
#875
On July 28 2013 18:31 Paperscraps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 18:28 hzflank wrote:
Also, you did not answer any of my other questions.

On July 28 2013 18:03 hzflank wrote:
Exactly which Oats reads and posts were great? What do you perceive Oats' 'comprehension of what is going on' to be?


I don't really plan on answering it either. I shouldn't have to go through another person's whole filter and outline what I think are good reads or insight. You can choose to agree or disagree. That is all that really matters.


I'm sorry, but I just can't let this papers post slide. Useless or scum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 28 2013 22:29 GMT
#876
On July 29 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, what do you make of PS pushing JAT.

I'm more sure of JAT being scum than PS, and that makes me pretty doubtful.

I am not so sure about that any more tbh. I don't like the fact that either one of them has not been here for a very long time.
On Paper i really didn't like his proposition to vig me or Stutters. I have clearly been unable to post and that is not alignment indicative. Stutters has good posts imo. If he thinks one of us is mafia, then vote for us instead of someone else. I think at that time his vote on JAT was just a "throwaway vote".

The only thing that's fishy overall is that people are willing to discuss Paper but not JAT.

What do you think about Koshi and his latest contributions?
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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:30 GMT
#877
On July 29 2013 07:24 Vivax wrote:
Jesus fuck why can't we lynch JAT.

This is a bit from PS which I find pretty townie. HZ actually used this as point AGAINST him, which was one of the points I found myself disagreeing with.

The change of mind shit after rereading is something rather townie imho.

Show nested quote +

Hey, do you still think exarezee is a good lynch for today? I am leaning town on him right now. If anything I think there are better lynches, such as Vivax or JAT. Also I think my initial read on hzflank was hasty, after re reading his filter I find him being a possible lynch choice as well.



Is my reasoning for using this against him bad? Read this post for some recent reasoning.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&currentpage=40#786

To be specific, when reads change the important thing is for other people to be able to understand why a read changes from a town perspective. Can you see the reason why Paper's read changed?
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 28 2013 22:33 GMT
#878
SMH. JAT and hzflank are getting flak partially at least to the fact that they suspect papers? Can you guys who think papers is town show me some positive things he has done?

I'm having a hard time believing that more people don't find paper's posts atrocious.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:34 GMT
#879
I do not want to take all the attention away from JAT because he does look like scum and I am aware than I am defending him by proxy. The problem that I have is that I don't know for sure which of you are town, so if I just easily change my vote to JAT then I may just be easily letting scum control my vote.

We really need JAT and Paper to start posting.
exarezee
Profile Joined July 2013
United States423 Posts
July 28 2013 22:37 GMT
#880
On July 29 2013 07:34 hzflank wrote:
I do not want to take all the attention away from JAT because he does look like scum and I am aware than I am defending him by proxy. The problem that I have is that I don't know for sure which of you are town, so if I just easily change my vote to JAT then I may just be easily letting scum control my vote.

We really need JAT and Paper to start posting.


JAT went to a concert and might not be back. No idea on papers.
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