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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 00:40 GMT
#4267
EBWOP: Corazon i mean
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 00:49 GMT
#4275
So it´s day 4 and we have FirmTofu and Koshi who are both saying "practically everyone could be mafia".
Sounds legit townie play so far!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 15:17 GMT
#4353
Koshi i can´t really understand why you are asking people to make a case on you and when they do your answer is "Yeah, I am out of ammo. It's what it is. It looks bad and that's that. A lot of my scumminess is based on association and a bad first day / early day 2. Lessons learned."

I don´t know, you don´t even want to defend yourself. I am going to be really sorry if you are town but there is no way i am not going to vote for you for this kind of behaviour, it´s not town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 15:24 GMT
#4355
On August 06 2013 00:19 justanothertownie wrote:
He secretly hoped I wouldn't make a case on him.

I am pretty sure if you are town because that case has actually ~90% of thoughts that are clearly your own. There´s been a fuckton of stuff said why Koshi is mafia and you are not sheeping those reasons but instead you definitely had looked over Koshi´s posts and gave us your original thoughts why you think he is mafia.

That´s not what i would assume you would do as mafia because you could probably just sheep on everyone onto Koshi and still get him lynched with little effort. That´s the thing i was talking about yesterday and you were the only one of those 4 people i mentioned who picked up. If you are mafia you deserve to win because you are clearly putting more effort into the game than the dude who is town from you 4.

Case closed and i think i have found the answer i was looking for. Koshi/Stutters/FirmTofu are not even trying.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 15:30 GMT
#4357
Not really. Why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 16:51 GMT
#4367
Koshi:

D1:
- Has a FirmTofu as townread because "in every game FirmTofu is capable of looking scummy early on". This makes no sense because if he looks scummy as town, there is no guarantee he would look scummy as mafia too.
- Has Paperscraps as town read for no reason.
- For same reasons that makes FirmTofu town (meta), Koshi says there is no guarantee for vayne to be town. He even explains why the situation is 100% like with FirmTofu. There is a contradiction in his thinking toward vayne/FT. One of them can be town by meta and another one can´t.
- Koshi says he thinks hzflank is mafia for tunneling one dude for the entire day. The thing that makes hzflank mafia is that "mafia can hide behind tunneling so that they would not have to have reads on everyone". Koshi´s reads are at this point are "hzflank, gut-read leaning scum, everyone else null or town for no reasoning or bad reasoning (FT)". Another contradicting statement right there. He is playing just like he says scum would play.
- Another set of posts where he accuses hzflank of only pushing his own wagon and not trying to find other mafia dudes. He is doing exactly the same thing, but he isn´t even trying to push the hz lynch. To me when Koshi interacts with hz it looks like he is interacting with a townie rather than scum.
- After everything he consolidates on Paperscraps, his townread. He has not tried to push any other lynch, did not contribute towards any other wagons, was not pushing hz lynch at all. Basically did nothing to even try lynching mafia on D1.

N1:
- Koshi says Vivax´ vote switch is okay. I did not think that was okay at all unless he was pretty sure Paper was town. Koshi himself says " I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn". lol, at the end of the day HE WAS PUSHING PAPER LYNCH, HE WAS SURE PAPER WAS TOWN, HE DIDN´T HAVE BALLS TO NOT VOTE FOR HIS TOWNREAD!?!?!? Fear, insecurity, justification for a vote after townflip. Townies do not think like this.
- Says he will not be tunneling hzflank on D2, because he is ssure the guy is mafia. Makes sense? Does... not... want.. to.. do.. his.. best.. to.. lynch.. his.. scum.. read... right!
- "Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. " Clarity is town for exact same reasons why i am scum for Koshi. When i ask for him to elaborate, his answer is "it was a joke".

D2:
- On D2 start Koshi quotes his case on hzflank, some time later he votes for XRZ, no reasoning given. On N1 he said "XRZ fears no lynching from me".
- Suddenly Oats and XRZ are in his scumreads, read the last point, that was also what he said earlier regarding Oats.
- Adds Stutters in the scumlist because Stutters voted for Malongo when vayne´s check came out.
- Exactly 3 hours later Stutters is confirmed town..
- FirmTofu is confirmed town. When asked for reasoning he tells people to compare FT/XRZ filters. Noone even asked anything about XRZ?
- Adds JAT to his scumlist, for reasons that made him town earlier (being new, suddenly he is not new any more for some reason)?
- Says this about JAT: "There is also the fact you also pop up when you are attacked, but blend away when the heat is off you" and "Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far.". I do not think this is true, i think this is extremely true if you compare this to Koshi´s play however.
- Again Stutters becomes mafia. Note that this read has changed three times for Koshi, and all the reasons for the read are from D1. Makes zero sense.
- Koshi tells me that he really needs a red flip on D2. After this he votes for JAT, givves no real reasoning nor follows the vote up on any way.
- After this changes his vote onto Stutters. Same resoning and follow up as above.
- After this he consolidates on to FirmTofu -> CJS -> FT (both are his town reads). Remember, he "badly needed a red flip!!!"

N2:
- Nothing much to say here, calls XRZ town.

D3:
- Sheeps me onto XRZ.
- "That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch."

After that:
- I am pretty sure everyone remembers what Koshi has done after that.

Now how on earth does any of this stuff make sense??

I know how, Koshi is mafia!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 16:55 GMT
#4368
On August 06 2013 01:48 hzflank wrote:
Cora, you have played with Stutters before, right?

Based solely on Stutter's play without any associations at all, do you think that Stutters is scum?

Same question to Rayn.

I can´t remember 100% tbh. I only remember him playing scum in Basterd, and i died on N1 and didn´t obviously read his posts after that so closely. He made a bad comment, and with the setup information WoS gave to everyone on D2 i could 99% tell he was mafia. In other game(s?) i remember him (he was town) i was mafia and attacked him based on pretty much nothing, because i had no time to play properly and he seemed like an easy target.

He looks more scum to me than town here, but that´s purely process of elimination by now. I can´t honestly tell if he is town or mafia based purely on his play, but leaning on mafia based on the fact that he is not trying to solve the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 17:10 GMT
#4374
On August 06 2013 02:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I've probably played with Stutters before, but I really cannot remember.

I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam.

He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play.

Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2.

FT is also almost definitely mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 17:11 GMT
#4375
On August 06 2013 02:10 hzflank wrote:
LOL

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town

That´s probably a townslip if you ask Oats.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 17:12 GMT
#4376
On August 06 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I've probably played with Stutters before, but I really cannot remember.

I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam.

He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play.

Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2.

FT is also almost definitely mafia.

EBWOP: post about Koshi, not FT.. :E
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 17:18 GMT
#4380
Oatsmaster. You never answered me about this:

"Did you or did you not think my case on Ace was good in NWM night 1?"
Can i have an answer now and can you also tell me why didn´t you answer that in the first place?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 19:05 GMT
#4384
Stutters, do you think Oats is mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 19:12 GMT
#4386
Well in my eyes Koshi and FT are pretty much confirmed mafia. I am going to be so disappointed if they are not, because they are not even trying.

Do you think Oats would not shoot OR roleblock me on N2? Would you take that chance as mafia if you know the dude has claimed a cop, claimed a green on a green, and claimed to check you that night? Can you explain that? Can you point out something from his posting that supports that, because it really is crucial for that scum-read. Other than that i really could see him being mafia, because he´s been beyond useless.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 19:56 GMT
#4390
I really hate this when people throw suspicions around and are not willing to follow them up. We can´t besically win this game as pretty much everyone is doing so especially now when it´s crucial to make a good case.

hzflank, i would like to hear the answer from Stutters first. You and everyone can comment on that later, i will do so too. He is the one that brought it up and now it´s a fucking time to follow up on his suspicion somehow.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 20:28 GMT
#4396
On August 06 2013 05:12 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well in my eyes Koshi and FT are pretty much confirmed mafia. I am going to be so disappointed if they are not, because they are not even trying.

Do you think Oats would not shoot OR roleblock me on N2? Would you take that chance as mafia if you know the dude has claimed a cop, claimed a green on a green, and claimed to check you that night? Can you explain that? Can you point out something from his posting that supports that, because it really is crucial for that scum-read. Other than that i really could see him being mafia, because he´s been beyond useless.


You'd have died earlier if I was scum, regardless of any PR. There is a reason you got shot in Basterd :p

Seriously though, I would have shot or RBd you, the scumteam is retarded for not doing it.

Only reason Oats wouldn't do the same is if he rolled GF. How likely that is, I have no idea.

That is pretty shitty Stutters, considering you wanted to kill JJD instead of me in Basterd N1.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Stutters
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 05 2013 20:31 GMT
#4397
Okay, you are clearly lying here. These are your last posts from Basterd scum QT:

Stutters
07-02-2013
04:00 PM ET (US)
So I'm thinking we shoot JJD and Vivax

Stutters
07-02-2013
01:34 PM ET (US)
Maybe Rayn?

Stutters
07-02-2013
01:33 PM ET (US)
Or depending on if we miss the vet tonight we could counterclaim a townie who seems scummy but that's a huge risk too.

You don´t even think i am a threat, but a scummy target to counterclaim. It´s the rest of the scumteam who wants me dead after you have afk´d for the rest of the night.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2013 02:18 GMT
#4443
Oats, why not Stutters?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2013 02:19 GMT
#4444
OATS, WHY NOTY STUTTERS NOW?
OATS, WHY NOT STUTTERS NOW?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2013 02:19 GMT
#4446
k, vote for stutters, he is confirmed scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 06 2013 02:20 GMT
#4447
On August 06 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 11:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, why not Stutters?

both work fine.
Which one will be voted for today by all of town though?

Koshi. I hope man.
Do you think that scum would push another wagon and we end up with 4-3 final votes? Like go all in?

fuck you, you have never thought about who will town vote for lynch, otherwise you would have consolidated. You are scum too.
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