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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:09 GMT
#4141
Ok. So everybody here thinks FT is scum. Tell me why please.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 21:12 GMT
#4142
On August 05 2013 06:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn you're doing that thing again. Where you say the exact same thing multiple times, phrased differently.
I thought you had a really good point the first time around and agreed with everything in that post.

*pat pat*

It's okay.

I can´t help it. :/

I kinda don´t want to read into those guys´ filters because i can´t find anything new there and i know it. I´m just following what´s been said now and what will be said later on. I can only fuck up if i tell who of those guys is mafia over others because to be honest i do not know and i can´t give a good educated guess based on what i know.

Koshi looks worst to me, because he is not even trying to make any sense now. He and FT have looked worse than JAT + Stutters for me the whole game, but ugh.. i am not sure.
table for two on a tv tray
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:12 GMT
#4143
On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real):
hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats.
Details tomorrow.


Either

Scum-JAT knows that the check is real and is leaving open the possibility of getting Vayne lynched before Malongo. Normally this would be impossible, but since Vaybe trolled D1 there could have been some hope. Still, without a counter-claim it is highly unlikely. We do not know whether first-timer JAT would know that, though.

Or

Town-JAT has no reason to trust Vayne more than he trusts Malongo. Hzflank was JAT's biggest scum read at the time, so he shared that scum-read with Malongo. This might make him initially more inclined to believe Malongo than Vayne.

Conclusion: JAT would be more likely to believe Vayne if JAT were scum. JAT would be less likely to believe Vayne if JAT were town. Minor town-cred for JAT.

Follow-up:

When Mal and Koshi are getting the most heat and JAT is being put on hold:

On July 31 2013 02:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, why the fuck are people not looking at JAT? This guy made a SCUM SLIP? Anyone want to explain to me how this guy isn't 100% confirmed mafia?


Conclusion: Tofu and JAT are less likely to be of the same alignment.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:16 GMT
#4144
As far as I see it:
1) First pages of FT filter is trying to interact with everybody to find out who scum is. It looks perfectly fine as a town player to do this.
2) From page 4-5 there are some lists that make sense and explain his thoughts. It looks really good and possible.
3) Page 6 he completely changed his ideas based on the flip. He gets a lot of flak for it but it makes perfect sense once more.
4) Page 7/8 he again gives his reads on all people.
5) 9-... Him defending himself in the lynch
6) Didn't bother with this on Day 3. Tried to read the game and asked some silly questions. Decided to vote XRZ and that is that.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
August 04 2013 21:16 GMT
#4145
Well, Tofu and me tunneled each other for a very long time that's nothing new.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:20 GMT
#4146
On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote:
Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam.
…
Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see.


On August 05 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote:
Finally a good post. But I am on a point that I put you are hz between those. Also Oats if you don't die today.


Inconsistent. Explanation on read change?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:20 GMT
#4147
I suggest that people try to read FT his filter. I can't see why that guy is scum. I have said it so many times, and I guess Mr. Association put me in the same team like Malongo/FT because of this. But no. Just no. That's not how scum plays. Like rayn says, scum doesn't associate with each other. So no, I am not going after hz together with Malongo and I am not hardefending FT because we are all scum. That's just stupid.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:23 GMT
#4148
On August 05 2013 06:20 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote:
Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam.
…
Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see.


Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 05:40 Koshi wrote:
Finally a good post. But I am on a point that I put you are hz between those. Also Oats if you don't die today.


Inconsistent. Explanation on read change?

That's me saying the same thing 2 times. wtf is wrong with you?

1) Hz, oats is scum

2) hz or rayn looks scum, if rayn doesn't die today Oats looks extremely bad.


I would like to add that I don't think both hz/rayn is scum. I actually think we still got a blue hiding lol. I just can't believe that both of these are town after XRZ lynch.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:26 GMT
#4149
1) Oats is scum. Hz is not scum if Rayn survives.

2) Hz is scum. Oats is not scum if Rayn survives.

That is not the same thing.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:26 GMT
#4150
So where is everybody?

Now that we are actually discussing reads we are all gone?

Tell me why FT is scum. Read his filter. I got time. Let's look.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:27 GMT
#4151
On August 05 2013 06:26 hzflank wrote:
1) Oats is scum. Hz is not scum if Rayn survives.

2) Hz is scum. Oats is not scum if Rayn survives.

That is not the same thing.

What? I connect Oats twice with Rayn. Read it again.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:29 GMT
#4152
hz let's talk about FT. You read his filter?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:32 GMT
#4153
Fucking second time you are misreading things and delaying great discussing. When Stutters, Clarity(?) and I were there to discuss XRZ you were also misreading shit and making fucking shitcases to drain attention.

If it isn't misreading you are asking us stupid questions. Always something.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:34 GMT
#4154
On August 05 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
hz let's talk about FT. You read his filter?


Read dad 2 and 3. Have not read day 1 in a long time.

IIRC Day 1 was looking town, except for the exchange with Exar.

Day 2 FT was more town at the time.

Day 3 FT looks like scum. FT was not putting a lot of thought into solving anything day 3, either scum or yolo.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:35 GMT
#4155
On August 05 2013 06:32 Koshi wrote:
Fucking second time you are misreading things and delaying great discussing. When Stutters, Clarity(?) and I were there to discuss XRZ you were also misreading shit and making fucking shitcases to drain attention.

If it isn't misreading you are asking us stupid questions. Always something.


I did not misread. First time you said scum is Oats + hz/Rayn. Second time you said scum is hz + Oats/Rayn.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:37 GMT
#4156
On August 05 2013 06:34 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
hz let's talk about FT. You read his filter?


Read dad 2 and 3. Have not read day 1 in a long time.

IIRC Day 1 was looking town, except for the exchange with Exar.

Day 2 FT was more town at the time.

Day 3 FT looks like scum. FT was not putting a lot of thought into solving anything day 3, either scum or yolo.

Day 2 he was so close to being lynched. Under heavy pressure it is hard to say things when everything you read is: guys if XRZ flips scum FT is scum in these combinations BUT if XRZ flips town FT is scum in these combinations.

It's sad.
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:38 GMT
#4157
On August 05 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 06:34 hzflank wrote:
On August 05 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
hz let's talk about FT. You read his filter?


Read dad 2 and 3. Have not read day 1 in a long time.

IIRC Day 1 was looking town, except for the exchange with Exar.

Day 2 FT was more town at the time.

Day 3 FT looks like scum. FT was not putting a lot of thought into solving anything day 3, either scum or yolo.

Day 2 he was so close to being lynched. Under heavy pressure it is hard to say things when everything you read is: guys if XRZ flips scum FT is scum in these combinations BUT if XRZ flips town FT is scum in these combinations.

It's sad.


I am talking about before that. He was not trying to solve anything before I got super deep into associations. In fact when I said that stuff about lynch order it was all a trap for FT (JAT thought the trap was for him), but FT did not really post after that.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:39 GMT
#4158
On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote:
Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam.
…
Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see.


To make it more clear:
HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam

Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?)
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 04 2013 21:41 GMT
#4159
On August 05 2013 06:38 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote:
On August 05 2013 06:34 hzflank wrote:
On August 05 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:
hz let's talk about FT. You read his filter?


Read dad 2 and 3. Have not read day 1 in a long time.

IIRC Day 1 was looking town, except for the exchange with Exar.

Day 2 FT was more town at the time.

Day 3 FT looks like scum. FT was not putting a lot of thought into solving anything day 3, either scum or yolo.

Day 2 he was so close to being lynched. Under heavy pressure it is hard to say things when everything you read is: guys if XRZ flips scum FT is scum in these combinations BUT if XRZ flips town FT is scum in these combinations.

It's sad.


I am talking about before that. He was not trying to solve anything before I got super deep into associations. In fact when I said that stuff about lynch order it was all a trap for FT (JAT thought the trap was for him), but FT did not really post after that.

But you think that FT his day 2 looked scum? Why?
I had a good night of sleep.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 04 2013 21:41 GMT
#4160
On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 02:27 Koshi wrote:
Hz, Oats are going to be the scumteam.
…
Rayn IF you are not death today, hz will be town and you scum with oats. We will see.


To make it more clear:
HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam

Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?)


Exactly. Now read the second quote that I posted where you say it the other way around.
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