On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote:SUMMONING WALL OF TEXT HIIIIYYYAAAAAAA!!!
Ok first of all: why is this thread so active during night time?
It doesn't matter if you are discussing only scum reads. Every information scum gets during night is detrimental for town. At least that is how my logic works...
Next up, I am sure I do have a pretty good idea of who is scum, especially after analysing the last posts before the lynch. And even if I make myself a no.1-to-murder-target with this, we can still beat the scum!
Scum team: Umasi, Gotard, Sc_am (still 50/50 on scam but he blends in the team really well atm)
Scum is playing as a team. I will elaborate why this is important first:
- everyone in the scum team knows who the other scum members are
- first priority is not to allow any reads on the connection between the scum team
- you can cloak your connection by distributing different roles for each member
If you think about this trio as a team where,
Umasi is the vocal one, spamming in the thread and mostly trying to steer the conversation in a certain direction playing something like "shady town".
Gotard is the "reserved town" playing thoughtful and acting passive-agressive (e.g. with votes on weak targets) and
sc_am is the lurker in the team, mostly not writing at all but just enough to not get modkilled, also playing "innocent/newbie town".
Neither of them have really accused each other of being scum until the end of night 1!
The majority of their comments of each other were something along the line of: "I have no idea what xx is up to" and "I will elaborate on xx later on".
Now to my strongest read which is Usami:
He voted second on reps, which is pretty early, with no real evidence at hand. After it was clear that reps will get lynched he unvoted reps with the following reasoning:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 03:44 Umasi wrote:On August 02 2013 03:22 reps)squishy wrote:
I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. I am trying my best to get information out of people to help town win. I know I unvoted and voted other people but I do that to try to get people to talk.
RDaneelOlivaw is busy or a lurker so he was my first vote. Usami defended me which I thought I could do my self so I thought he was defending me as a scum cover up changed my mind and went with infii because he seems pretty
shady does no come up with answers but excuses.
I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M.
That specific line helps a lot.
I want you to scum hunt reps, don't go back on your word here. Just because you're off my personal chopping block (dunno about everyone elses) doesn't mean you can go goof around again. This entire push feels wrong, because the tone of your typing feels like you're legitimately trying, and legitimately confused.
You've been a detriment to town, but if we can work through that, it may turn out better in the end, and I don't want to lynch you anymore.
I'd rather just lynch the scummiest, and you are no longer the scummiest.
I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on. I don't think reps is our lynch. That said, I do want to see a lynch through though.
##UNVOTE REPS "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M."
That was reason enough to let his suspicion fall after discussing about him for almost half of day1? Really?
His next post:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 03:53 Umasi wrote:On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote:
No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever.
##vote no-lynch
Don't do thaaaaaaaaat. No lynching is stupid t.t
Also, don't preemptively martyr when it's the end of day one and you have a single vote on you. It's a far better idea to start scumhunting. We won't get clues from the nighttime, all we'll know is if there is a serial killer or not. The only revealing thing is the nightkill, but even then, what would you learn from that? Like, if deus died and flipped town. What happens then? Nothing is really revealed.
In fact, it might just be more confusing. No lynching is bad. We aren't random lynching, we're legitimately
putting thought into who we're voting, that's the entire POINT.
I'll give you a small grace period as per reps, get your ass in gear, and by that I specifically mean go filter dive people and see what you can come up with.
This applies to you Rdaneel, don't just mildly comment on things, bring up things we haven't talked about and discuss it all, or discuss old things to death, as long as it's not about reps. We've beaten reps to death.
"No lynching is stupid"
...11 minutes later:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:
And yeah, I recognize a no-lynch might occur.
That's how hard my opinion of reps has swung, to the point that I'm willing to no lynch over his death.
##VOTE INFII
I'm out of time. I'll explain the vote more later, when I have time.
Now no-lynching isn't that stupid anymore?
...his next post was the closest thing I could find for an explanation on his vote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:20 Umasi wrote:On August 02 2013 04:54 Nightcat99 wrote:
it works, and you shall just post now, umasi is not answering .
So its super scummy to me, hes the number 1 target tomorrow.
I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on
was afk, I made that clear.
On August 02 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote:
And yeah, I recognize a no-lynch might occur.
That's how hard my opinion of reps has swung, to the point that I'm willing to no lynch over his death.
##VOTE INFII
I'm out of time. I'll explain the vote more later, when I have time.
I've made that clear too.
I was pretty much perfectly clear on everything. I agree what I did was scummy, because I'm a proponent of never ever no lynch. THAT is how hard my opinion swayed on him.
Since reps flipped town, I'm looking at deus and infii. Infii moreso than deus. Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit))
I don't really see any explanation about his vote here. He even uses information he got after the lynch.
Also defending gotard by legitimating his aggressiveness early on.
To recap things, I think Umasi is trying to lead town to lynch another townsman with his very active and spammy behaviour. He should be the next lynch target imo, unless he states a flawless and logic defense.
Now on to gotard.
His first most noticeable action was an early, seemingly random, vote on me.
Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam.
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis
infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act
neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
"acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral.
##Vote: infii At this point I looked weak/neutral because I didn't want to determine myself on something as it was still early on day1. So I was a possibly easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective.
However I stated Umasi as my primary scum target and if we assume gotard and umasi being part of the scum team, that was another good reason for him to jump on me.
Following after that were several accusations on which I tried to defend myself.
I'd like to quote slam here:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 09:07 Alakaslam wrote:
[...]
I don't get why people dislike Indio jones, are they actually reading him?
That is what I was asking myself all the time. I defended myself like Gotard wanted - not enough. I wrote a wall of text going in-depth on my arguments in full detail - still not enough.
But it makes sense now. You can argue all you want with scum, if they're on to you, one will never get clear.
sc_a.m
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He has exactly 3 posts in his history in which he said something. (I didn't even say contributed!)
The most important quote:
Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote:
No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever.
##vote no-lynch
If I understand him correctly he tells us that he had a similiar mindset to reps. But watching reps getting all the attention, he didn't want to end up like him. So if we follow his thought process, day2 would be the time for him to come up on stage and state his results of analysis to avoid any random lynching. If he does not do that, with all his passiveness and the pro no-lynch, he is pretty much scum (with the small possibility of him being town but gave up on playing mafia)
I am very curious how day2 will unfold!
PS.: I did not read holy's last minute analysis before posting if this is of any importance later on.
On August 04 2013 06:17 Zyrre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
I guess if you want to see all my posts just look at Zyrre's latest post. Don't even bother using that filter button. Zyrre, would you rather have me not abide by that quote as a possible way to find scum?
The quote about mafia playstyle? It's a statement about how MOST mafia will play, so only a general guideline. You should factor it in of course, it simply means less blending in = less likely to be mafia.
You however, had several posts stating you are suspicious of
Usami, went on to say you will look in to him more deeply and then disregarded it all with that quote alone.
Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 05:44 Gotard wrote:
Zyrre why did you decided to sheep reps if deus' behavior was scummy?
I guess I overlooked it a bit, it all sounded reasonable at the time. As you can see in my earlier posts, I was unsure of him but didn't think having him alive was too dangerous(he was posting a lot so high possibility of making mistakes if he is mafia, he was giving a few pieces of good advice etc).
EPT
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