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On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right?
Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides.
Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most.
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Am I the only one here again? -_-
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Don't think it is as categorical as you make it seem Alakaslam. You CAN gain vital info when lynching a town. He could have made claims having special roles etc. This early in the game though it's most likely useless to barely useful.
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On August 01 2013 01:36 Zyrre wrote:
Don't think it is as categorical as you make it seem Alakaslam. You CAN gain vital info when lynching a town. He could have made claims having special roles etc. This early in the game though it's most likely useless to barely useful.
Exactly.
If I make it seem like town dying never gives info, follow this link.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417692¤tpage=74
If still not convinced that I not only agree with this point, read a few pages and then 85.
Sorry Onegu-
However I stand by the idea that sometimes it doesn't help you if reps flips town.
In fact what does that tell anyone?
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Fwiw deus flipping town won't help either- I genuinely think he is scum via kenpachi and reasons I spasmodically laid out
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At work.
Will be at home in couple of hours.
Infi is in my radar.
Will elaborate later.
Hate list.
Talking like robot is fun.
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On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people?
Then why don't you just lynch everyone e.g. in alphabetical order? Every lynch will give you crucial information, right?
We are awaiting your defense btw.
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I was about to vote RDaneelOlivaw, But people think Umasi and I have a alliance and to assure you I think it's kind of scummy for bandwagoning with me. So I decided ##vote Umasi
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sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started.
RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started.
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On August 01 2013 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town.
Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now.
Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy.
On August 01 2013 02:15 infii wrote:
Then why don't you just lynch everyone e.g. in alphabetical order? Every lynch will give you crucial information, right?
We are awaiting your defense btw.
Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly...
Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person?
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On August 01 2013 02:44 reps)squishy wrote:
I was about to vote RDaneelOlivaw, But people think Umasi and I have a alliance and to assure you I think it's kind of scummy for bandwagoning with me. So I decided ##vote Umasi
On August 01 2013 02:45 reps)squishy wrote:
sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started.
RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started.
Just going to say he copied exactly what I have said and has no insight into anything, I am keeping my vote on reps for obvious reasons now.
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On August 01 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right? Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides. Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most.
"There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town"
There is no way you can agree with that sentence.
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hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum.
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
Infii, why do you leave a backdoor for yourself? Why is neutrality a good thing? It's actually good to stir up discussion.
I dislike the formatting of your list, but that can wait for another day.
On July 31 2013 19:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote:
reps, I'll tell you two useful things~
A:
If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to.
B:
there's a handy quote button, use it.
Regardless~
fuck
I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on.
Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses.
What's wrong with discussing town reads early on? The more opinions there are out there the better. And why do you say "townreads this early are silly" and then IMMEDIATELY ask him for possible scum teams?
That felt like you were telling me my question was stupid, and immediately asking the same question. That didn't contribute anything, but it sure as shit looked like he did. And remember, general noncontributions are scummy, that's why everyone hates reps~he hasn't actually talked at all.
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ebwop: you're not a scum read, flare, but try not to post nonsense like that.
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VOTE COUNT:
DeusXmachina (2): Umasi, Alakaslam
reps)squishy (1): DeusXmachina, Holyflare
infii (1): Gotard
RDaneelOlivaw(0) reps)squishy
Umasi (1): reps)squishy
Deadline is in ~25.5 hours. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Currently no one is set to be lynched!
Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.
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On August 01 2013 03:11 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right? Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides. Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most. "There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence.
Right! See you didn't read everything I wrote. We are arguing in agreement, I just wanted to make sure that wasn't the sole reason you voted. Otherwise explain why it is ok to do so.
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On August 01 2013 03:35 Umasi wrote:hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. Infii, why do you leave a backdoor for yourself? Why is neutrality a good thing? It's actually good to stir up discussion. I dislike the formatting of your list, but that can wait for another day. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 19:51 Holyflare wrote:On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote:
reps, I'll tell you two useful things~
A:
If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to.
B:
there's a handy quote button, use it.
Regardless~
fuck
I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on.
Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; On July 31 2013 15:53 reps)squishy wrote:![[image loading]](http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBQjdcHJanE8bEjlGoemNsg2N1yJGIJ_yrQyaWmCJP8UhSaeQj) Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses. What's wrong with discussing town reads early on? The more opinions there are out there the better. And why do you say "townreads this early are silly" and then IMMEDIATELY ask him for possible scum teams? That felt like you were telling me my question was stupid, and immediately asking the same question. That didn't contribute anything, but it sure as shit looked like he did. And remember, general noncontributions are scummy, that's why everyone hates reps~he hasn't actually talked at all.
Town reads and scum reads are two totally different kettle of fish. If you have a solid scum read that scum is forced to behave more and more like a pro town or face the eventual lynch, this is 100% pro town as a mafia that acts pro town is more likely to slip up as he has information that we do not. A pro town mafia is better than a dodgy town especially on day 1.
As the game progresses you can garner information with your potential town reads, if you announce who your town reads are this early they will either be targets for the mafia to frame you as suspicious or narrow your circle of trust down and thus make it harder to progress with the elimination of scum.
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I disagree, it's good to know who town reads are. I don't know how to convince you, but it's certainly more useful than looking at fucking scum teams not even a full 24 hours into the first day.
You shouldn't only have to work with your town reads, you should be working with EVERY TOWNIE. So having your town reads killed is not a huge friggen deal. A lot that people seem to misunderstand, and I don't necessarily know if I'm correct, but this is certainly how I operate, is that people are town until proven scum, not scum until proven town.
A natural byproduct of listing your scum reads is going to be listing your town reads, because if they aren't scum, THEY'RE TOWN.
~well you know until the serial killer but we don't talk about him.
Like, I guess the point of all this is, I really promote the way Alakaslam and I play, which is to keep a log of your thoughts like you have diarrhea of the brain. The more clear people are with what they're thinking, the better!
That said, reps, you never really listed scum reads (or town reads) did you, and then you pointed out lurkers, without saying anything about them, just like "dey lurkin"
I want to believe you're just an idiotic newbie townie man, I really REALLY do.
You are sure as shit are not making it easy though.
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oh this is a good moment to mention, I totally forgot early game
guys
no lynching is retarded, the only weapon we have is our vote t.t
so voting to no lynch is squandering your vote, and I'll happily switch votes to prevent a no lynch
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