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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Or worse Hai | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
On July 31 2013 15:52 Alakaslam wrote: R we only ones here? I didn't I checked up on the thread after a league game and saw this. I thought lurking was when you didn't post. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
MUST LEAVE I WILL SEE ALL YOUR TAKE ON MY ALAKASPAM TOMORROW BECAUSE I work local tomorrow, so cya, and know that I openly say I have no expectation or reason to lurk tomorrow. YAHOO | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On July 31 2013 16:03 reps)squishy wrote: I didn't I checked up on the thread after a league game and saw this. I thought lurking was when you didn't post. Sigh... I will address this b4 sleep then. True You weren't posting For like a good while there But you were here At least implied that with image Lool Stop makin more WIFOM go look up what that is and everything else XD | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
He is me The point of newbie is not to do this FAUGH Take this all with smiles and laughter that is not at you Well, at your expense but no ill will or thinking the worse of you for Only two games ago I was similarly ill equipped | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
one often may try to use what he knows of his opponent to make a better choice. However, in some cases this leads to recursive reasoning: "But that's just what he wants me to think, so I'll do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think, so I'll not do the opposite. But maybe that's what he wants me to think..." Happy? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
Read all OP has links I sleep now I am pleased with your start Hopefully I'm not a jackass when I Awake | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
DeusXmachina (2): Umasi, Alakaslam reps)squishy (1): DeusXmachina Deadline is in ~36 hours. With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch. Currently no one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts. Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right? DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town. Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good. reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense. Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town. Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to. Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote: reps, I'll tell you two useful things~ A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it. Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; On July 31 2013 15:53 reps)squishy wrote: Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses. | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
reps: On July 31 2013 12:21 reps)squishy wrote: Well taking that DeusXmachina has already posted to lynch me Here I am going to remain neutral and NOT lynch him he may be town and, the more town the better right? It is day one and despite him going against me there is no evidence that he scum or an aggressive townsman or something else. This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote: My response to skeptics. He said he is a newbie multiple times! Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake. My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not. If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote: I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts. Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right? DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town. Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good. reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense. Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town. Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to. Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote: Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. I disagree that reps post seems townie at first, although I do agree with your later point on him trying to absolve himself after he was seemingly cleared makes him super scummy. I also think that Umasi has been somewhat linked to reps which may prove to be a possible mafia connection (I will explain further if you read down). Deus' posts although pretty aggressive were in the interest of furthering discussion, however, he could just be forcing any old lynch just as equally; for now he seems to be a townie or a neutral, unlikely to be mafia in my opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Show Spoiler + Umasi/alakaslam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. On the obvious Umasi/alakasam circle: I'm not sure about these two, they have a strong connection yes but they also had that in the pre-game chatter. This can pose as a deceiving thing when it comes to determining who is town and who is scum. For now I'm not sure this link poses valuable information other than both of them haven't really contributed much analysis although they have posted a lot, which is a scummy move. They have also bandwagoned onto the Deus vote together which seems a bit abrupt. There is however another circle that I'd like to point out for you: On July 31 2013 11:57 Umasi wrote: I don't think that his talking about being newbie is a scum tell, since town do it too. it, like, could very well be, but calling him scum only because of this is hasty. I've made the same mistake before (see superfluous in last game) and turned out to be totally wrong, but I don't think it was a stretch. That said, pressuring him is a double edged sword, snce it could just scare him out of the game if he's town, and that LOOKS scummy, because people don't normally think that far ahead. This is the only thing Umasi has written on in length (other than the accusation on Deus) defending the person that was under direct scrutiny at the time. If this post contained similar content to his previous posts it wouldn't have raised suspicion, however, this is out of character for what he has been writing so far. His accusation of deus now leads me to believe that Umasi is in fact defending a fellow scum (reps), although this is purely circumstantial. If anything I argue that reps would be a good lynch for the town progression to see his flip and piece together parts of the puzzle. ##vote reps)squishy | ||
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Zyrre
Sweden291 Posts
On July 31 2013 22:54 Holyflare wrote: There is however another circle that I'd like to point out for you: This is the only thing Umasi has written on in length (other than the accusation on Deus) defending the person that was under direct scrutiny at the time. If this post contained similar content to his previous posts it wouldn't have raised suspicion, however, this is out of character for what he has been writing so far. His accusation of deus now leads me to believe that Umasi is in fact defending a fellow scum (reps), although this is purely circumstantial. Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post. He did post this also however: On July 31 2013 14:53 Umasi wrote: reps, I'll tell you two useful things~ A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it. Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? (later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again) Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it. I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though. | ||
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infii
Germany153 Posts
On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. | ||
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Nightcat99
United States239 Posts
Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO. Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him. Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange. I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense. I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on. | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote: So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum. IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On July 31 2013 23:15 Zyrre wrote: Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post. He did post this also however: (later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again) Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it. I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though. I do agree with you that asking for him to post reads is seemingly a town move, although any scum can obviously do the same, it is a weakish pro town move. I, however, did initially assume Umasi was town, it was just his interactions with Alakaslam and then further with reps that has put me off him a bit further. I am interested to hear other peoples views on these connections though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On July 31 2013 23:34 Nightcat99 wrote: I will give some opinion. Alakaslam: I have played with him one whole game, and 95% of the time i still have no idea what he is saying. Dont ask me read about him, Lynch him before LYLO. Umasi is a little strange to, especiallyy at the middle of the night with slam, but he recovers in the morning, i am not getting alot of scum tell from him. Gotard is being scumy, Infil made 1 post on day 1 and call a bunch of ppl netural, thats pretty much how you shall feel on day 1 and the throws a vote on him, kind of strange. I am off rep for now, there was quiet a bit of scum tell imo, but the chance of him actually just being new is quiet high as well, but i would like to ask Rep to point some fingers and tell us what you feel about people instead of responding nonsense. I would much lynch a lurker then any one thats posting at the moment, but there are still time, every one shall give some opinion on what is going on. I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town. Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now. On a side note, lynching a lurker now might not be the best idea if there are obvious slip-ups in peoples comments. Day 2 maybe think about lynching the lurkers - sc_a.M and RDaneelOlivaw have said nothing so far bar the On July 31 2013 07:33 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: scummy helpless post.I spend my day erasing bugs in code...time to do the same thing at night! Mwahaha | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts. Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right? DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town. Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good. reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense. Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town. Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to. Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. Thank you for coming. I missed deus' defense. That or I didn't see it as adequate. Btw good morning. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On July 31 2013 19:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses. Although this is good, I have given him quite a bit of homework flare; I want him competent before his return. I don't need a trigger to become psychotic through WIFOM | ||
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