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Z-BosoN says generic pro-town stuff, passively finger-points then goes to bed. Rainbows no like. On July 24 2013 15:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Its a pointless claim no matter what alignment he is. However, I dislike the fact that he just waltzed into the thread with that pointless post and has not posted anything since... | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote: I agree with you that I was a bit fluffy in my post. I find it strange that so many people jump on this FT wagon with the only reason being the "Kenpachi rule". I pointed out 2 people that went on that wagon really easily. But in 1 hour I will have a 1 on 1 with Lazermonkey, we will see what happens there. I generally don't like the Tofu wagon atm. Rayn was way more vocal about the VT claim than Tofu was, I find it strange that everybody wagoned onto Tofu instead. | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:32 Lazermonkey wrote: Rainbows, are you masoned with stutters? If not, I'm cool with stutters killing his partner. I am. | ||
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If Malongo is scum then he obviously wanted to make sure the KP from masoning was in scums hands and not towns, which is a very good option. However, he becomes known and is put under scrutiny. I don't know if you can PM the host to deny the killing or not, but why would he openly tell him that he was killing him if scum? Wouldn't he just wait for the kill-post and then explain to the thread? I'm not sure it makes him scum in that regard but it's something to question him about Now I dug this up from earlier. It might just be wording but I think it could be significant. 4 Malongo 07-24-2013 05:14 AM ET (US) hi Ryan. I am sorry, i asked to get you killed  . Nothing personal, i actually didnt knew it was you and just resent a hold up msg a minute ago (trying to revert the hit). ShiaoPis claim is null to me, more likely just a plain townie/dt trying to prevent a hit from the mafia, Z-Boson null for now. I think Lazermonkeys post is more of a threat.Again sorry if I cant hold the hit, I thought most the guys posting were already on contact (still 5/6 players to post), also thats why I posted "sorry i couldnt resist". Malongo uses the word "threat" as if he has some inherent guilty. Like he is trying to protect himself. He doesn't say suspicious or scummy but instead threat. That's really all I think about Malongo atm. Rayn is kinda scummy but active. Z-BosoN is clean with his posting but something is off imo. | ||
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I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? | ||
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But if scum use the shot then they will strike town and get weasel their way out of it. We don't want scum getting a free kp. We should make sure the kill is a consensus by town before lynch so we control it. That said, a scum who is about to get lynched will most certainly use it to kill off their mason if he is town. No reason not to. So we need to be careful. | ||
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Not day 1. Unless we have a billion good lynches. | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, that is a retarded policy Why? | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you. I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could. I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though) Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. Oh THIS policy. Yeah it's retarded if the town has consensus. If you just randomly use it for LOLKILLHIMHESCUM and it's town then... wtf.... | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! I think you're making Koshi's policy bigger than it is. He proposes we only kill random mason kills not on towns consensus. And that's fine, as long as nobody random kills. I want to use the mason-KP as a way of double lynch, and hopefully nobody fucks with that. Even if you are town and about to get lynched don't martyr-KP your mason, we can always do that later if he's suspicious. If you're about to get mason killed by the consensus of town and are town, think of it as a double lynch --- you're denying town information by denying your flip. Anyway, I think scum have more motivation to mason kill if they are about to be killed in any way lynch or otherwise. If you're town and strike town with your mason kill martyr-KP then only shit can ensue imo. | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:19 Z-BosoN wrote: Actually I think Lazermonkey makes a fair point. As a townie, the best play is to kill your mason pair before he kills you... "agreeing" to die if you are townie is pretty damn stupid. And scum will just do the same. Let's just leave the mason-kill as a vigi-shot and move on? I guess you're right. I just really don't want scum to use it as free KP. Oh and I think Rayn is scummier than Shaio because the VT claim is null. | ||
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But yeah I guess the policy doesn't really work because people love vigging other people. Especially on dates. | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh. Lazer, how does someone being a lynchbait if town make them town, or not worth lynching? Regarding the vigi-double-lynch discussion. Rainbows had a couple of really bad posts in that one. Explain. Was it a good or bad idea? Why or why not? Im at work so very little posts. | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think it's a good idea. People who are gonna get vig-lynched are obviously gonna shoot their mason partner if they fear they are close to getting shot and that's not alignment indicative at all. I especially did not like your post where you say "if you are town and getting vig-lynched you need to accept your death". That's ridiculous. If i was gonna get vig-lynched i was 100% gonna shoot my mason partner because i know i am town and i can't be 100% certain of them being town, so at least there is a possibility of shooting scum. What? Well I never thought of that tbh. I figured double lynch would be awesome for us d2 :/ ppl wont cpomply tho eh which is true. | ||
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If Dandel does jack shit all day ill policy lynch him because hes a wild card. | ||
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But im sexy. | ||
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As scum i just tunnel 1-2 dudes all day. | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: That wasnt in response to you. It was just a comment.Rainbows: When i asked for your scumreads why did you feel the need to say "i don't think i want to lynch Stutters"? Lazer: I already asked this, but. How is Stutters ignoring any form of scumhunting but Sylencia is not? | ||
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On July 24 2013 21:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hey guys. I'm good with a Firm or Rayn lynch. Kenpachi gambit always accurate. I wish I could date Dandel. he's such a cutie. He says he's good with both lynches due to Kenpachi. Fine, but where's the support? He has not pressured either of his so-called scumreads this game. Most of his 1-page filter is trolling with Dandel. Aside from that, he gives a few questions... On July 25 2013 01:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: How do you fall for that five times? What? On July 25 2013 07:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Tofu, do you think claiming VT makes Shiao more likely to be scum? The first is meh. The second is a valid question but I haven't seen any follow up on it. It's like he doesn't even care. This is Artanis' most significant post of this game: On July 25 2013 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There is no limt on the amount of carrots per monkey. This is the fatal flaw in your calculations. The monkey has learned to plant the carrot to grow more. An infinite amount of carrots will emerge and implode the very ground we're standing on. It is known. Doubtful, it's creating actual scumhunting discussion where setup discussion was taking place. Shiao is probably town. That's not what's happening, it's helped trigger scumhunting. I don't think so, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the bait. I do think it's unlikely that two scum would jump on it immediately though, so you're right. There's a good chance one of them is scum though. Firm seemed to be content with jumping on the bandwagon after Rayn pointed it out at first, so Firm would be my first suspect, though I don't like how quickly a wagon formed on him. It feels itchy. Artanis defends Shaio as town (fine). The bolded is absolute waffle-mode engaged. "I don't think they're both scum, probably at least one. Firm is my top suspect, but not really because a wagon formed very quickly" I have no idea who Artanis suspects the most here. He says Rayn and Firm are scum because Kenpachi... But only one is probably scum. Firm is most suspicious but he doesn't like how quickly the wagon formed (supposedly town?). So far the only thing Artanis has done this game is call Shaio probably town and finger point at Rayn and Firm cus Kenpachi. This dude needs to step it up yo. Vote: Artanis | ||
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On July 25 2013 16:28 Malongo wrote: I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too. What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place. ##Koshi This is one of the worst posts ever. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:36 ShiaoPi wrote: ebwop: elaborating on malongo, what I don't believe is that scum would do such a move (publicly announcing the shot, more or less to his QT partner). It gains waaay too much attention too early in this game. why not just kill him and try explaining afterwards? On the more scummy side of malongo things we also have that "threat" thing he posted in the QT. I really did not like that. Actually I would probably be fine lynching him too (now that I am thinking more about him), but still FT sits better with me. Probably something along the lines of lynch these guys: FT -> Rayn->Rainbows/Malongo I mentioned this early to my QT with Stutters. But Malongo afterwards seems so scumzorz =|. I'm kind of torn on that fact. Either it's a really bad scum move or a brilliant one. Or he's just town, in which case dafaq. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:23 FirmTofu wrote: A few things I don't like. 1) ShiaoPi makes a hell of a case against Rayn but still thinks I am somehow more scummy than him. 2) LazerMonkey seems to think SP's VT claim could be a lie and is therefore null. Why does he pursue me instead of SP? 3) Rayn thinks I'm scummy for the same reasons that everyone else thought he was scummy. What? If you aren't scum and people are accusing you and me of the same scumtell, then you have to believe that the scumtell is not alignment indicative with regards to me. 4) Artanis said he could support a lynch on me or rayn, but never followed through with a vote on either of us. Sounds like scum trying to decide which town wagon to hop on. 5) Dandel Ion is being spammy, unproductive, and annoying. Throw shit, all the places! | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:52 Koshi wrote: It might be the way to play mafia, but you guys play it so difficult. So many things that you do are considered scummy. While secrecy and lurking is fine. Look at Artanis his filter. How is that better than FirmTofu? FirmTofu speaks his mind. I would love him to be here on Day 2 and Day 3 and Day 4 as long as he keeps doing that. What does Artanis do? Fucking nothing. Lynch his ass, and all the other people that play like that. I thought you didn't want to lynch Artanis? | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:53 Koshi wrote: Again... What is this? Ughhhh. Too scummy to be scum? I am just typing whatever pops in my mind. 24/7 The point is was that it was townie, because no scum would ever say that because it's subject to "ur OMGUSing lol scum not scumhunting". And it's blates. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:43 Koshi wrote: Artanis[xp] I am not impressed by the guy. Is it enough to vote for him? Nope. I'm confused. You want FT to vote Artanis and would sheep him... but... ????? | ||
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koshi was townie until recently. He was acting so super scummy just now that i wld have never posted that if i were scum. it seems too blates scummy to be scum and hes just disgruntled town. | ||
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On July 26 2013 05:35 Z-BosoN wrote: Rainbow, your first post coming into the thread was you passing your finger on me by saying all I'm doing is passing finger on other people: Up to this point, you have not said anything else about me nor sought to pursue a person you "didn't like". I really dislike the lack of follow up to this post. Am I scum? Besides Artanis, who do you want to lynch? It was suposed to be ironic. The only thing I can say about you so far is that you are playing clean. So clean that it looks too good. Im not sure if that makes sense but you're not saying stupid shit which seems deliberatly cobstructed. Unfortunetly its just a feel. | ||
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On July 26 2013 05:52 Z-BosoN wrote: Ah ok, well, I don't want to be lynched neither as townie nor as scum, so for the most part I don't post whatever the fuck comes to mind anymore (even though I used to) Can you answer the second part, on who else would you lynch besides artanis? Someone lurky. Dandel for being useless syl for being scummy/lurky. | ||
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On July 26 2013 06:15 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, to be honest I actually think artanis is town. Scum are generally careful about what they say in thread and how don't want to stick their necks out. He earlier said that "one of firm/rayn" is likely scum. Then out of the blue he decided that Lazer, someone who he didn't even mention in his filter, is a scumread. Then he gives town reads on people who earlier he said were town If I were scum the last thing I'd want to do is antagonize one of the most active people in the thread This is why I worry about you Z :/ lol :p | ||
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Im concerned about stutters because he seems thoroughly uninterested in our qt whwn i ask him questions nothing comes up. I want him to tlk to me about his reads and his opinions but stutters hasnt responded at all rly. Permission to vig :p | ||
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but it starts off him calling me scum cus lurking then a few exchanges. the last 7 posts are me asking for feedback with no answer. | ||
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On July 26 2013 09:50 Sylencia wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Malongo Weirdest play -> AFK lynch seems decent to me. One thing that bugs me about Artanis is how unuseful he's been in the QT  How to get reads without reading over things <3 you Artanis, don't shoot me~why did you omit your posts? why malongo over artanid when you just said he was not useful?? | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:56 ShiaoPi wrote: Alright guys fuck it switch off from malongo, he is town I think. Get your votes on rayn..... ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet No. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Rainbows 07-25-2013 08:34 PM ET (US) I WOULD ENJOY SOME CONVERSATION WITH SEXY STUTTERS IF HE EXISTS TYTY 22 Rainbows 07-25-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) okay give me your opinion on someone not malongo or the dude accusing you plz. syl or otherwise 21 Rainbows 07-25-2013 03:48 PM ET (US) Is there a reason we shouldn't lynch Syl today? I like my artanis lynch but syl seems scummy 20 Rainbows 07-25-2013 12:46 PM ET (US) I recind my townread on Koshi =\ he's being either dumb or scummy 19 Rainbows 07-25-2013 12:49 AM ET (US) Artanis should be lynched today, he's so useless. And as far as I know, he doesn't have a useless reputation. 18 Rainbows 07-24-2013 08:30 PM ET (US) i havent looked into shaiopi that much tbh i need to read when i get home 17 Rainbows 07-24-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) you are far from the scummiest dude. dandel prolly, hes a wilf card. Maybe syl? somebody lurky and blendy 16 Stutters 07-24-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) So who do you think you want to lynch? Myself included, being masoned with me isn't a reason to not lynch me. 15 Rainbows 07-24-2013 05:05 PM ET (US) Okay Lazer looks town. Hates stagnating discussion and doesnt want to focus on just tofu. seems concerned. 14 Rainbows 07-24-2013 04:54 PM ET (US) I posted it in thread where he says 'i dont like how shaiopi posted useless stuff' He feels really clean which irks me. not a good day 1 lynch but feels fabricated somehow 13 Stutters 07-24-2013 02:41 PM ET (US) Can you link the Shiao part you're talking about with Boson? I'm phone posting but nothing looked that bad to me. Not d1 lynch worthy at least 12 Rainbows 07-24-2013 01:37 PM ET (US) Okay I just reread Malongo's post in his QT and he said "threat" which is a word that I only use as scum. Something. 11 Rainbows 07-24-2013 01:27 PM ET (US) What do you think about Z-BosoN? His play seems really clean to begin with and asking a bunch of easy questions but they don't seem to lead anywhere. The part where he just points at ShaioPi was weird to me. 10 Rainbows 07-24-2013 01:26 PM ET (US) If Malongo is scum then he obviously wanted to make sure the KP from masoning was in scums hands and not towns, which is a very good option. However, he becomes known and is put under scrutiny. I don't know if you can PM the host to deny the killing or not, but why would he openly tell him that he was killing him if scum? Wouldn't he just wait for the kill-post and then explain to the thread? I'm not sure it makes him scum in that regard but it's something to question him about 9 Rainbows 07-24-2013 01:24 PM ET (US) Do you know Dandel? 8 Rainbows 07-24-2013 01:23 PM ET (US) didn't you just try to get me killed, lol :p 7 Stutters 07-24-2013 01:19 PM ET (US) Anyway if I can get serious for a sec, what do you think of Malongo? I don't get why he would try to kill his mason partner so quick in the day. 6 Stutters 07-24-2013 01:18 PM ET (US) RAINBOWS I MISSED YOU! 5 Rainbows 07-24-2013 12:57 PM ET (US) Yeah I'm scum. 4 Stutters 07-24-2013 11:48 AM ET (US) Yeah, you scum 3 Stutters 07-24-2013 11:04 AM ET (US) You scum? 2 Stutters 07-24-2013 09:46 AM ET (US) What's up | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:05 ShiaoPi wrote: rainbows, do you still think malongo to be scum? Honestly? Probably not. The wagon looks terribly scummy, especially with Sylencia hoping on it. He just self-votes which is stupid as either alignment... He doesn't even vote Artanis to save himself. He just seems not very intelligent with his decision making to begin with. Does that make him scum? No. Could he be? Sure. I'd rather lynch Syl myself after that atrocious vote post. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:23 Lazermonkey wrote: Actually I'm really surprised that noone did get mason killed yet. One could excpect either of Artanis or Malangos respective partner to have done that by now... Syl seems more like he doesn't want Artanis to shoot him | ||
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Maybe Malongo is just lurking until deadline to last minute shoot Rayn if we don't consolidate off of him. Cus if he want to claim scum he'd just shoot instead of voting himself only. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:38 Lazermonkey wrote: Actually, you should! If I am wrong and Malango is scum he might pm right before dead line in order to kill Rayn as well. While I don't think that is the case, I'd still much rather have stutters dead than risk Rayn dead. Well if this happens then I'm happy with 1-1 trade. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:42 Lazermonkey wrote: It would be at least a 1-1 trade anyway if we assume that Malango is scum. Why not go for it? And if he's town and stutters is town then.... fuck? | ||
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On July 26 2013 13:02 Z-BosoN wrote: Well fuck me sideways Gladly. | ||
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On July 26 2013 13:12 Sylencia wrote: Sorry for shooting so late, I wasn't convinced to take the shot until Malongo changed his vote. If he was scum, the last minute wagon on a town Artanis would've been frustrating for us all. I really should've realised how useless Artanis was earlier though, sorry guys :D It's okay you're confirmed town in my book <3 <3 Syl sorry for calling you garbage, etc. | ||
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On July 26 2013 13:25 ShiaoPi wrote: Lets take another look at the votecount (I updated it a bit to show the final one): For now I am clearing Rainbows, Koshi and Lazer as not to be looked at. Syl is obviously confirmed town. That leaves us with a pool Stutters, Boson, Rayn, FT, Dandel and myself. From those commenting on Artanis were the following: Stutters: No comment on Artanis at all and was voting Malongo Boson: Defended Artanis from accusations, called him town and led the lynch on Malongo Dandel: Calls Artanis scummy, but does not follow up thoroughly votes Tofu. rayn: opposes the artanis lynch, happily jumped aboard the malongo train. FT:puts some slight suspicion on artanis, wants to get rayn instead but would be happy to kill artanis as second choice. me: opposed the artanis lynch, wanted to get rayn jumped on malongo after he switched to ensure lynch instead of no-lynch. Let us also take a look at artanis' filter: -Okay with FT or rayn being lynched, focuses on ft though. -Changes to rayn and ft are town -votes Lazer then proceeds to stupidly sheep Boson What we can gather from these observations: -Stutters looks absolutely terrible. Search artanis in his filter and be amazed by 0 results -Boson would look terrible too, but I think he was simply flat out wrong (as was I) since his filter is giving me townie vibes all over besides the way the lynch happened -Not much in change of my opinion to rayn -FT and lazer are probably cleared for now, since both were targets of Artanis early. -Dandel is dandel so nothing to gain from that. Conclusively I suggest we kill Stutters or rayn day 2. I support the the conclusion here. Rayn deserves more scrutiny especially. | ||
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On July 26 2013 13:29 ShiaoPi wrote: EBWOP: My scummy ---> townie list for now: Rayn, Stutters, Koshi, FT, Dandel, Z-Boson, Lazermonkey, Rainbows, Sylencia Koshi is more green for me, Lazer is nearly full green as well. Z-bo is a bit on the red side. I'm going to bed. | ||
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Kudos to Syl for essentially double lynching at the wnd there ( told u was good policy ) | ||
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On July 27 2013 06:36 FirmTofu wrote: Funnily enough, I think scum would have had a better chance at winning the game had you let that happen. I would have still lynched Artanis. The malongo lynch option wouldnt have existed. | ||
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