EPTBut i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/
I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/ I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
FirmTofu (2): Malongo (1): Stutters695 ShiaoPi (0): Stutters695 (1): Lazermonkey Artanis[Xp] (2): Rainbows, Koshi (1): Malongo Lazermonkey (1): Sylencia Sylencia (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu Deadline is in ~10 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched! Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote: I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon? You need to elaborate on this. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean my case on GK? I would have done that as town aswell, dude was so scummy. But i ended up distracting Hapa/marv with my Hapa case in the end. Before Coag shot me.. :/ I don't like to make "easy cases" as scum. Far more beneficial to make strong players doubt each other and look good at the same time. I cannot pinpoint it. Just as i said it's a feeling of familiarity in general | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote: I'm feeling town from his filter. I echo some of his sentiment on Artanis and I can see where he is coming from as town. His move to attack Artanis when there is a wagon on me is also quite bold. It draws attention to himself and off of a townie(in me). I don't think it's a move scum would make. what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up? | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is this? Assuming you are town why is it not beneficial for scum to create another town wagon? You need to elaborate on this. That is a fair point, but I think scum would be more likely to jump on an existing wagon on a townie than form one themselves. Scum doesn't want to be associated with starting the wagon. It draws unnecessary attention to themselves after the flip. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 26 2013 00:02 Sylencia wrote: You just went full retard, never go full retard...I've already read it, and I explained how the post is literally setup to help scum. The reason why people agree is because it sounds sensible. Someone's about to die, and so they'll take the shot because they think their partner is scum. Sounds great in theory, but if you think about how it's done in practice it's a crappy idea. Also, plans aren't about how suicidal they are, it's about how well you can sell the idea. It's the same with pushing for a lynch - if you're convincing enough you'll push the wagon all the way and everyone will hop on. In any case, completely brushing off the possibility that one team can perform an action because it's high risk is silly, I prefer to keep an open mind about things. Great, you know this happens in most of the games I'm in already having played with me a few times, where I find it difficult to properly find reads. Rather than rehashing the same argument over and over again, how about you target someone you know isn't lynchbait every game. Like literally everything in this post is just so fucking BS I cannot even believe it. Its mind blowing really. Take a step back and look through everything and try to have an open mind. Its clear at this point that you are either scum panicing or town in super-tunnel-bias mode. Let me brake this down for you. I'm not even going to comment on the policy thing. I heavily disagree with you as you know but its not even relevant at this point. As I said before, you must understand that those types of policies really requires everyone to accept in order to actually be valuable. This is simple logic. Right now, you'll have to convince alot of guys to do that. And you aren't trying. So this policy really means nothing whether you like it or not. The second part. Well, your are being super dumb once again. I never said scum couldn't be doing something like this. Let me summerize our conversation really fast You: Lazer is scum because his idea helps scum Me: Well, even if we ignore the fact that it doesn't help scum, why does this mean that just I am scum? What about the other guys on the wagon? In my experience scum are more likely to be sheeping a bad idea of a townie that to be the one who is starting a bad idea that THEN gets sheeped by townies. You: Just because its high risk for scum doesn't mean they cannot do that. So what are we left with? Well I STILL DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE HOW YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT I AM SCUM! Please explain why I am scum, why those who aren't on the wagon aren't scum. How does any of your arguments show that I am scum instead of missguided townie? Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that that person is scum... Also if you think that what convinces people that a plan or a lynch is correct is just the amount of time and dedication you put into it, then you are really really stupid. A bad argument should never ever convince a whole town no matter how much you try to convince everyone. The last part Rayn already talked about. You can't argue yourself out of all suspiciouns just by saying you are a lynch bait because if you did, you would win every time you were scum... | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:49 ShiaoPi wrote: what abiut the entire policy thing he brought up? IDK. My read on Rainbows is not very strong so I don't want to lead you astray if I'm wrong. I personally don't think the policy thing is very alignment indicative. If you want to bring up something in particular, go ahead. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 26 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that's stupid. He'll come back and contribute or we lynch him. He doesn't seem very townie atm other than his "shot" on me. I have been trying to think why would that make sense from him as either alignment and i can't understand it (assuming he actually shot and then asked for cancel). Usually it's townies tat do stupid stuff like this so atm i am inclined to lean town on hm, but i would really like him to answer me at least in our QT. I disagree. It would be stupid if he demonstrated a town mindset behind it in any way at all. Shooting "for the lulz" does not in any way demonstrate a town mindset. Neither does cancelling the shot solely because it's on you. If you believe he actually fired the shot and cancelled it based off of his overall lack of any contributions and his failure to demonstrate a town mindset behind the shot makes him pretty likely scum in my book and definitely a good vig. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
unfortunately i am now at a state where I can be happy to lynch like half the players ~.~ Its 2am so I am heading to bed now. Will be back before the deadline to check on new developments and put down my vote. let me leave a couple of notes to you before sleeping: dandel might be a disruptive annoying little bitch but he is most probably town. sylencia is indeed a lynchbait, however in later cycles he is able to give out great reads(see I swear mafia1) so I would advocate waiting on him rainbows is now nullish to me. liked his recent posting. maybe I made too big of a deal out of the entire policy thing. rayn is weird. If i were to vote now it is him. but i have a couple of doubts so i will decide after sleeping on it. koshi currently strikes me as ixncredibly stupid/noobie town. Its as said before too scummy for scum. on artanis i did not want to lynch him earlier since he is a vet. while i have not played with him before I think he miht be worthwhile to keep around for at least another day to see if his posting gets better. on malongo: the shot thing is the redeeming factor, otherwise he looks not too good. dunno abiut him thats more or less the jumbled stuff I got now before sleeping see yiu all tmr! | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
FirmTofu (1): Malongo (1): Stutters695 ShiaoPi (0): Stutters695 (1): Lazermonkey Artanis[Xp] (2): Rainbows, Koshi (1): Malongo Lazermonkey (1): Sylencia Sylencia (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet (1): FirmTofu Deadline is in ~10 hours. Currently Artanis[Xp] is set to be lynched! Reminder: Voting is mandatory! Please use the correct voting format ##Vote cDgCorazon. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 26 2013 00:56 FirmTofu wrote: We really realy should consolidate though. If we split our votes up more then every scum vote will be relatively stronger. Also, if you just vote your biggest scum read but that read happend to be someone who isn't gaining alot of votes, you are indirectly voting for the player with the most votes at the time. You might have to go for a guy thats not your top scum read but rather your second or third to prevent guys you don't think are scummy to get lynched. We should aim to pin the pynch between 2 players or at tops 3. Everyone should comment on ALL of the candidates and say in which one they want to lynch the most, second most etc. And we really should do it ASAP as alot of guys will not be able to attend at the deadline. I will try to be there but I can't really promise and I have full respect, especially for the europeans, if they are unable to attend.We don't necessarily need to consolidate because it's plurality lynch. You should be voting your biggest scum read, not sheeping a wagon. For me the list is currently: Stutters Sylencia FT Artanis or maybe Koshi | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that? Currently: Sylencia Koshi You want to keep Artanis alive over me? Why not lynch Artanis and I will take over his role. [Image loading] | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 26 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is a diference though. I would really want to kill stutters but I don't see him as a realistic lynch for today. Sylencia might not be optimal either, at least if what ShiaoPi writes is correct i.e. that he ups his play the longer the game goes. I think todays lynch is between Firmtofu or Artanis. So lazer, we need to consolidate on 2/3 players and you bring up 5. rofl, what's that? Currently: Sylencia Koshi | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Now in terms of what can happen today: Malongo (vig or lynch plz) Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning. Not really sure on a third yet. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On July 26 2013 04:44 Stutters695 wrote: I didn't say my reasons for lynching you over Syl was bad though. I said that my reason BESIDES the lynch bait point was bad. But the lynch bait point isn't bad. Look at Sylencias profile, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sylencia. He really has been lynched ALOT as town. And as a player that actually led the lynch on him, I can say that his play this game isn't extremly different from the other. I honestly don't get Lazer's hard on for lynching me. Whatever, I really doubt that will happen. Now in terms of what can happen today: Malongo (vig or lynch plz) Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning. Not really sure on a third yet. Also, why am I scum for attacking you with "bad" arguments? Are scum more inclined to use "bad" arguments? | ||
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