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On July 20 2013 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey guys! geript/wos could you sign your posts please. I may or may not have leftover nukes from NWM! #Vote: TheAwesomeAll Who are you? Earlier posts was Geript. This is me. (wave) Thar be a voting thread. Nuthin like early game pressure to accomplish absolutely nothing. I do find it kind of hilarious that someone feels the need to post every game 'oh guys no fluff we gotta get down to business and hunt scum!' Except for the fact that there is often no business whatsoever without there being some fluff to start off with. So Rayn, are you town? Gonna die N1 again? | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:00 FiveTouch wrote: It's a very real fake vote meant to express my willingness to fake-lynch rayn. Sup? Also geript no, I'm not on right now. I'll probably be on later though, in case you...you know...had anything you wanted to say. You wanna say something alignment indicative for me. Because otherwise I really want to lynch you because both Hydras can't be town. | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:35 FiveTouch wrote: Apart from anything else we're a replacement. So it's just full on retarded straight up. And creating some false dichotomy based on nothing. Yuk yuk yuk. ~marv I'm not talking to you Marv. I can't read you for shit. As a matter of fact I don't think I've played a game with you other than the other hydra game. Put VE back on the line. | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:00 FiveTouch wrote: You're serious? You say something horrendous and then just say you're not going to interact with me? How about some motivation, because you're being disgusting so far. ##Vote: getmoript Are you an idiot Marv or just scum? I told you I can't read you versus shit. I read people far better when I've followed/played in more games with them. Hell I still don't have a read on you in Ver's game. You just mad because I'm more gay ripped than you? | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote: By far the scummiest thing said in the thread so far, and possibly the scummiest thing that will be said for the entire cycle. Well done you. ~marv It's been the worse looking of our heads thus far. Now iss me. Here's the thing I have trouble with. Geript's comment was very obviously useless and not alignment indicative---simply bait. And you very obviously know there is nothing scummy about it yet you take the 'bait' anyway? So why bother with all of this baiting back and forth? I'm not sure I follow what the two of you are doing right now, and he's fucking attached to me. -Wave | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:02 FiveTouch wrote: Both. Because stupidity aside, it's a totally false reason for creating suspicion. Of course it is, and yet you go and counter him anyway as if he means it? Like....wtf is this? Can we drop the stupidity charades already? Make my brains hurt. | ||
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Less do work because after Nuclear and Dr Who I'd like to think I can read you. What make you of FirmTofu's 'let's not be useless' useless entry? I commented offhand in our QT that he's totes town for posting right as the game begins and my luv muffin yelled at me and called me wrong (even though I was mostly kidding). In truth I find it more likely to be a towntell as you have no scummy weight on your shoulders at the start of the game in terms of what to do and what the scumplan is, but overall it's probably alignment non-indicative. I'm more interested in the content of what he's posted. Why bother trying to curb the shit early on when he should it's damn well near impossible? 'Conversation starter?' Because the intent appears genuine to me; whether that is scum or town remains to be seen. | ||
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Wouldn't mind hearing from DrH/JJD at some point. Especially DrH as I haven't played with him in ages. Wave out. (Sorry for quadpost wanted to get my thoughts out before I leave) | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:19 austinmcc wrote: I think they're fine but don't put boatloads of faith in em. That comment about both smurfs being town was off because of the replacement, but he's right that it's this sort of...throwaway suspicion but with a slight seriousness behind it? Way more than anyone who just posted something dumb and an early vote, it's actually a thought but used to create a silly suspicion. I don't have a problem with him calling whoever out on that. I don't have a problem with him getting upset/finding it odd that someone just wouldn't speak to him. I think that's especially true in a quiet thread, because drawing people out or, at worst, establishing light reads, is kind of a thing we need to do. So if it's kinda a thing that we need to do why aren't you following up on it? Why are you actually trying to pressure me? Why are you ok with just sitting back and letting me post? Most importantly Why are you just ok to +1 his suspicion on me blindly and not do shit? | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks. What do you think of austin? | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:19 austinmcc wrote: I think they're fine but don't put boatloads of faith in em. That comment about both smurfs being town was off because of the replacement, but he's right that it's this sort of...throwaway suspicion but with a slight seriousness behind it? Way more than anyone who just posted something dumb and an early vote, it's actually a thought but used to create a silly suspicion. I don't have a problem with him calling whoever out on that. I don't have a problem with him getting upset/finding it odd that someone just wouldn't speak to him. I think that's especially true in a quiet thread, because drawing people out or, at worst, establishing light reads, is kind of a thing we need to do. How is this not a generic +1 of his suspicion? ~the better head | ||
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On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. Are you trying to say that Tofu is scum or are you trying to throw suspicion on us(wos/me)? Why do you make a post that actually has a point. | ||
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On July 21 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: What sense does it make to talk about something that you are not haeding anywhere with? I don't read WoS off of thought process or how he heads in the thread. I read him off of reactions to things etc. I don't see why I need to follow up on WoS actions. He and I are treating this game far more like a hydra game where we act independently and then converse in QT to figure out which direction we want to head with votes etc. | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:25 FirmTofu wrote: Scum puntos are points people get when they do scummy things yo. Explain how they're scummy instead of just early game play. ~g | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:30 FirmTofu wrote: Why would early game play be considered mutually exclusive with scummy play? Because the early opening/foreplay stage of the game is generally just that. Why are you even thinking think that shit like that even alignment indicative? You just said... Scummy. Nothing else. Not even explain why it makes us scummy. Just trying to throw out pointless accusations without follow with pressure or trying to push a lynch. Why are you playing so passively in comparison to nuclear, Ver's game or the newbies? | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:43 jrkirby wrote: Ok austin, I'd say firmtofu is being good puppy in general. In other news, I'm going on a trip for the next 36 hours or so, and will have intermittent internet. I should be able to find a coffee shop in ~12 hours to catch up, but I have no real guarantees. But siggraph conference is totally worth it. Wtf? Tofu is looking nothing like his town play, being non-aggressive and throwing out bland passive suspicions... Explain your read. | ||
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On July 21 2013 11:46 FirmTofu wrote: You sound angry. Would you be against the vigilante shooting unproductive members of town such as lurkers? Or would you want the vigilante not to shoot at all? I'd like vigilantes to shoot scum if they do shoot, I don't care if they shoot the lurker scum or the active scum. But if they fucking shoot town then RAQAAAAGASDSDGAGGE | ||
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No save the shot. Lynch him. He's hosting a game, he's might be playing in another on this site. He's in a different (non-mafia game) and he's almost never active on weekends under any situation. | ||
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On July 21 2013 12:35 FirmTofu wrote: How do you expect the vigilante to know whether a lurker is scum or not? Let me ask you a more direct question: Would you want a vigilante to shoot JJ right now? I'll speak up on this one. I personally would not. JJD is lynchbait in the games in which I've seen him, and though his activity is often subject to his schedule or general lurkiness, he at least attempts to contribute most of the time. It hasn't even been 24h yet so I would not consider it a productive shot. I would, however consider lynching him atm if nothing changes as I personally would rather eliminate a lurker/player I don't want at LYLO than risk mislynching a more active player with no strong scumread to go on (I have no strong scumreads atm). FirmTofu. Who is scum? | ||
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On July 21 2013 12:43 FirmTofu wrote: Well, right now I'm thinking geript is scum and WoS is town. My brain hurts... Unacceptable. Geript and I clearly agree on the question you asked. How is it you come to different conclusions based on our answers? -Wave | ||
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On July 21 2013 12:43 FirmTofu wrote: Well, right now I'm thinking geript is scum and WoS is town. My brain hurts... Wave and I are one head. How can one of us be scum if the other is town? | ||
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On July 21 2013 13:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: Hey I'm alive. Catching up now. Quick question first: I haven't played w/ hydras or anything similiar before so I just want to make sure I understand how they work. Is it basically just an account w/ 2 players? Are they able to communicate privately w/ each other? Is there any more to it? Caught up yet? | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: Do you care to hear what I've been doing IRL? I doubt it. My name was first mentioned a while ago. If I waited untill people started voting for me, you would have said the same thing. My entry into the thread isn't suspicious dude. Why not? You pop up to say hi. You read the thread. You make some random comments. You aren't trying to move the thread forwards after being gone for the first 24 hours. How isn't that convenient. I was asking because I wanted to know. I literally had no idea how they worked untill this game. You're really jumping on me for nonsense. Why would it even matter how they worked? As town, the normal response after reading the thread would be "Cool we get 2 players for the price of one." For town, it wouldn't matter how they worked because they still only have the 1 vote. For town it wouldn't matter if they could or couldn't communicate out of the thread because, in the least, they could communicate in the thread and explain their reads better and more fully as well as bounce ideas off of each other. If they were scum, then any sort of out of thread communication wouldn't matter. So the only way your question makes any sense is if you need to be able to figure out how to respond to hydras because you're scum. [qoute] Who is scum JJD? stay tuned[/QUOTE] Don't want to give up your teammates I guess hunh. @VE If you don't respond to me with what you think of JJD by the time I get back from D&D tomorrow then we're policy lynching you. | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've been out of town since yesterday, just got back. I'll catch up on this tomorrow afternoon/evening. Just letting everyone know why I've been absent. I want you to comment on JJD too. If you so desire you can also comment on my qoute fail. | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:19 FiveTouch wrote: Okay I've read the thread and I want to lynch a lurker. Throw a dart between DocH, Zephirdd, Oatsmaster and TAA. None have even tried to fake caring about the game, so I'm not even going to fake caring about their lives. Who's it gonna be guys? I prefer Zeph, as he's actually posted yet has said literally nothing...but like I said, I would support any of the other lynches I mentioned without hesitation. -VE Talk to me about your thoughts on Tofu and JJD. | ||
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On July 21 2013 15:24 FiveTouch wrote: Like JJD I really disliked Tofu's scum points post, but unlike JJD I don't want to kill him for it. I think lurkers will cause us more grief than shitflinging late-game, and Tofu's posting will reveal his alignment in the days to come. Side note. At some point I need to shadow you to learn how to be nice. Mental reminder. | ||
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I have absolutely no qualms about setting Geript on you guys until then (he's super ragey because of Nuclear it seems) but I'm not sure he's around either. TAA, I would call you scum based on your awful suspicion of us simply because to me that would seem like you're trying to effectively eliminate the only thing keeping this thread from being 1 page on D1. If anyone votes to lynch us today just know that in my opinion it looks like shit simply for that reason and that reason alone. This is the lurkiest, shittiest D1 I have ever been a part of and it would be a lot lurkier and shittier without us. -Wave | ||
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On July 22 2013 02:14 FiveTouch wrote: Can't tell if new and dumb or mafia  ~marv I removed the "too dumb to be mafia" heuristic from my repertoire so I'm thinking TAA mafia. Who the fuck is Mr. Hyde? | ||
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On July 21 2013 23:06 TheAwesomeAll wrote: this post is so weird, fake outrage from nowhere, no real message "plz only shoot the mafia", if i could i would lynch only geript but for now ##vote: getmoript would do. Im fairly sure either FiveTouch or getmoript is scum but since they attacked each other a bunch its probably not both, and since FT has been doing the attacking and getmoript has been backpaddeling as soon as he gets any heat im leaning towards him. This reminds me exactly of my play in LXI where I followed a completely fucktarded heuristic that Palmar used. There literally no reason to think that both of us can't be town especially since Marv/VE switched in. My only complaint is that VE has been lurking a decent bit. I don't have a real issue with Marv's posting (not that I'd necessarily notice it), but I think he's a bit more aggressive about throwing his rep around as scum and I actually like both of the lines of thought that VE/Marv are using. I find it funny that TAA decides to push TanG as the alternate lurker as he's slightly more towny (or Wave thinks so) than the other lurkers. I'm ok-ish with lynching Rayn, but I'm hoping he dies in the other game so that he can focus on this one. None of his filter makes any sort of sense to me. @VE/Marv. Any specific reason why you want to lynch Rayn or is it just because he's lurking and that's very odd for him to do as town? | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:13 TheAwesomeAll wrote: want to hear my thoughts on Rayn? i promise theyre really interesting Why aren't you just posting your thoughts instead of just putting your thoughts in the thread? | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:19 FirmTofu wrote: Okie dokie, I'm back. Gonna read the thread and decide who to vote. I give you gift. $0.01. Gimme your thoughts. | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:24 TheAwesomeAll wrote: on me. i dunno what to think of this. people are seriously afraid to call someone scum. Hes neither defending me or accusing me. Id like to ask rayne who he really thinks is scum, and if he really believes tofu isnt just a day1 townie whos afk a ton. Do you know fuck all about Tofu? Like have you played with him whatsoever? | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:30 TheAwesomeAll wrote: nope So why are you asking about whether he'd afk D1 in such a roundabout way. Feels like you're trying to soft push him. | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:40 FirmTofu wrote: EBWOP It's more that WoS sounds like he's thinking from a town perspective whereas geript sounds like he is pursuing some sort of agenda. Ok, What do you think my agenda is and why? | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:41 getmoript wrote: @Tofu... so Now WoS is the town and I'm the scum? meant this to be the other way around... whatevs... (from reading your non ewbop big post) | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:38 FirmTofu wrote: This is passive to you? I may be less active, but I'm certainly not passive. All I've been doing is attacking people this game. I've already made plenty of enemies, haven't I? I think you're just angry that you're one of the people I'm attacking. Just because your'e "attacking" people doesn't mean you're being aggressive. You just randomly distributed "scum points" out to most everyone who posted for random bull. That's not any sort of aggression. I don't understand why lynching to you guys is preferable to shooting. A shot would eliminate an unproductive player instantly and allow our Day discussions to continue productively. If we pursue him as a lynch, we'd have to give up the opportunity to discuss something else. The opportunity cost of lynching a lurker is higher than the opportunity cost of shooting a lurker, if you catch my drift. Wrong. Shooting can often be done later in the game when there's more information and gives town FAR, FAR more information when it his. | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah because you apparently have no good answers for me anymore...? I don't think he ever gave any answers. Also, what do you think of Tofu trying to pursue a lynch on me? | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vigilantes should never shoot on D1. Disagree. I had a huge scum read on Yamato in Sicilian. I would've shot him on D1 in a heartbeat. | ||
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On July 22 2013 05:53 FirmTofu wrote: Can you read the last line of my post, please? Thanks, bud. I know reading comprehension is hard. On July 22 2013 05:38 FirmTofu wrote: I don't think I'll be pursuing a lynch on you today. So giving me a 1 day "reprieve" isn't trying to lynch me? | ||
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On July 22 2013 02:36 FiveTouch wrote: eh, gotmoript are right; it would be a very silly thing to do to lynch the slot that's talking most and actually at least trying to get the thread to tick a little, even if a lot of it is a bit nonsensical. On July 21 2013 04:00 FiveTouch wrote: ##Vote: getmoript My one post before I leave again. Everything else has been Geript. Care to explain VE/Marv? Why exactly do we have the most votes right now with 8 hours to go? -Wave | ||
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On July 22 2013 06:51 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah my vote was outdated. getmoript, you think TAA's cases were malicious rather than wrong townie then? ~marv I don't read him as wrong townie. Feels like he's trying to post just to post and not actually try to force or move discussion which is something I see very rarely out of town. Why do you think he's misguided townie? | ||
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On July 22 2013 06:56 FirmTofu wrote: Of course anyone could have made those lists from any alignment! That's not the point at all. People asked for who I'd like to lynch and this is my answer. I have already justified why, so now it is your job to convince me otherwise. I picked Oats pretty much randomly. I could have easily picked any of the other lurkers. Do you want to lynch any of the other people on the list? If so, who and why? Convince me. Why should all of the impetus to be on me to convince you to join my lynch? Isn't the impetus equally on you to convince me? You've given BS reasons to lynch Oats and while I'd love to lynch Oats for the lulz, I'd rather lynch TAA for being scummy. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:14 austinmcc wrote: If that IS the case, then getmoript is posting too much/too freely to be the D1 lynch, and if he ever drops the bad cop, worse cop, even worse and angry cop act then that would be nice. lol <3 | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is Firm is very aggressive and straight forward as town. Here he is nothing like that at all. He is trying to fake that by calling out "scummy behaviour" without actually doing so (it didn't make people scum). When people start to question him he goes on to lurkers, to switch the attention onto something else ("look, there are 7 people who have not posted shit") instead of giving out reads on active players or trying to question scummy ones of them. Also marv, why the fuck are you basing your opinion on what others think about TAA/Firm? Why not think by yourself? Here's my problem with this analysis: Everything you bring up is meta-based. I could actually see Tofu being town right now. I'm null-town on him and think he's having a bad game (gut read, subject to change). I could easily see him just being busy/frustrated with Sicilian otherwise. Meta at most should make up a third of a case and nothing you've really brought so far is confirmed alignment indicative imo. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:51 austinmcc wrote: okeedoke. I really do not want to lynch TAA with that one post and then his response just now. Who do you want to lynch then? I don't want to lynch FirmTofu. I could go for a lurker right about now but it seems half the game might be modkilled for not voting. Mods, if you're reading this (and if you read come of what I wrote in the Nuclear postgame) I'm going to use this game as an example and start pushing for stronger activity rules in games/harsher bans. -Wave | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote: It IS worth pointing out. Honestly it's the single post in your filter that stuck out the most to me, and I think it's townie. getmoript, either/both halves, chat about that post (by yourselves, in this thread, whatever). TAA's post is 8 hours after 5T's post. After that 5T post, TAA has:I read that as TAA actually looking through 5T and getmoript's filters, a "figuring the game out" thing. Do you read this as "trying to be all sneaky and make an extra bro scummy"? I really disagree with this. Filter diving isn't necessarily a "towny" thing to do. Scum filter dive too. More importantly I want to bring up how He's 'filter' diving. Here is where the FiveTouch post comes then the post on me. If he were going systematically down through the player filter list, the primary thing he'd comment on is how dead/lurky people are + Show Spoiler [Player List in Order] + 1) Zephirdd 2) jrkirby 3) FiveTouch 4) raynpelikoneet 5) FirmTofu 6) TanGeng 7) JarJarDinks 8) DoctorHelvetica 9) austinmcc 10) Oatsmaster 11) TheAwesomeAll 12) getmoript Anywho going to work now, WoS please take over. | ||
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On July 22 2013 09:27 austinmcc wrote: Went ahead and voted Oats. There's merit on both sides of the TAA thing, but I like that post and his response to me as townie posts. The only caveat is that if 5T is town and marv disagrees with my thought process entirely and thinks I'm dumb and TAA is mafia, then it ups that chance TAA is mafia by more than I'd like. Uh. Marv's with me on this on bro. | ||
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On July 22 2013 09:14 austinmcc wrote: Wish you were just bad cop + cop that makes sound effects. Calm down. I FULLY agree that you can get reads from lurkers. You're interpreting something differently than I am. As I read it, TAA was wondering why 5T didn't mention TanGeng with the other lurkers, when VE said he wanted to lynch a lurker and made a tiny list. Not attacking 5T for having a read on a lurker, but just noting "This dude made a list of lurkers, but he left this one lurker off, and I think that's interesting." See, look at all this calm discussion. Scum filter dive, but...he didn't just accuse 5T with that post? It's not like he looked through for scummy stuff or townie stuff or whatever to reinforce this case. He found something INTERESTING and posted it, makes me think he was reading without planning to do anything specific. I dunno, it's somewhat fluff but not scummy fluff imo. It's actually reading this post and pointing out this interesting thing about this post, but not trying to spin it (at least for instant effect). My point is that there isn't a methodical method to what he's approaching. Rather he's reading to some "current point of interest" posting on it and leaving. How is that towny? | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. Looks to me like he's posting as he's catching up with the thread. I don't really understand why people do that, or at least do so without explicitly saying they're going to do so and vote and shit when it may be completely irrelevant by the time they've caught up. So....4 or so hours to go. Half the thread hasn't voted, a bunch of people have barely posted. 5T, lurker lynch or do we stay on TAA? Tangeng and Tofu, same question to you. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan. It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks. Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez. cant be arsed with voting for now. Really? 'Cause you got 4 hours till you're modkilled, bro. You going to be around? | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan. It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks. Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez. cant be arsed with voting for now. Convince me. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:38 austinmcc wrote: Does it really? He's catching up, then 19 minutes later has decided he's not the most inactive, and is looking at your filter. Then 18 minutes later, he knows that you said JJD's entrance was convenient. But he doesn't talk about anything else in your filter. Doesn't say anything of his own except that he's useless. Doesn't notice that your vote isn't actually on the guy he's now voting for. Is pressure voting with no time left and not actually adding any pressure. lol well now that he's shown up again and apparently is sticking with JJD haha btw dis WAVU | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote: Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process. Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. This is an awful post. Town wants nothing more than to be active and completely transparent with their reads at all time. Why are you trying to get us to think about what scum want to do with your post before you even post it? -Wave I'm in the middle of doing a read into a couple people as Geript and I have been talking in the QT. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. Where does it say this? | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote: Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." On average, I think it comes out scummy for me, as like a deer in the headlights reaction? Has TanGeng been mafia before? I really want getmoript's take on that and TanGeng overall, because despite spending this last bit removing the police uniforms and playing paddycake in their chat (or, you know, working), I'm interested in their thoughts. Having "misread" TanGeng before, or whatever that comment was, I'd like to know what was misread. Oats is still oats, and still looks like a perfectly fine lynch. But TanGeng also looks like a fine lynch to me atm, if this game actually has a lynch and doesn't just get shut down because nobody votes. I don't like TanGeng either, but given the fact that it's majority I'd rather eliminate some shit from the game early and if TanGeng is around he can help us with that. ##Unvote ##Vote: OatsMaster We need what, 7 people to all vote him in 2 hours to secure a lynch? I don't see that happening if we're still trying to lynch a player who's active and in thread right now. -Wave | ||
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If it's Majority voting then why does the votecount from earlier say we were set to be lynched if we only had 2 votes? Clarification please. Do we need Majority (ie 7 votes) or plurality? | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:54 austinmcc wrote: What do you guys make of just the absolute refusal to talk about the JJD vote/read/"discussion" comment? On phone so posting limited. Basically WoS had a weak early town read based on mindset. I disagreed. I'm way more with you on this whole refusal to make sense of the JJD post. Him being bullied off his thoughts is non-alignment indicative. He's (TG) is acting odd but no show oats is pretty odd too. I really think that half the players here are busy/preoccupied w/ Sicilian and this game is taking a backseat to it. But I can see oats rolling scum and being all "fuck that I'll just play Sicilian". I think oats gives us more info than Tang personally. And right now that's about the best we can hope for IMO. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, I'm here for just a bit. Basically enough time to read through stuff and vote. Sorry, dont want to make excuses but weekends are generally never good for me and this one was especially busy. I'll be normal tomorrow. Anything/anyone specific people think I should really check out. Just read the thread and post thoughts as you go. It's super short. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:41 austinmcc wrote: Swapped my vote. Also happy with either one. If nothing big happens w/in 10 minutes, I'm out. Here's my issue. TG has 3 votes right now. If it's majority (host still hasn't confirmed) where are the other 4 going to come from? | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, tofu is still really scummy to me. but first: I really don't like getmoript. He jumps all over me for things that aren't scummy @ all. Then when I call him out on it he ignores it and then eventually says "All that pressure was to get a reaction from him". I guess I can be the one to say "convenient" now. And now he's saying he has a town read on me based on meta. I'd actually like a bit of an explaination there because I think he's calling me town because he knows I'm town. I already pointed how how terrible Tofus scumpoints post was. And like look @ how he's always calling people out about getting angry and defensive. Literally nothing he has called anybody out on this whole game has been scummy. Reread his filter and tell me he's made an actual case on anyone. Anyway I'd be happy w/ a lynch on either of these guys. I doubt I'll get a lynch on getmoript but maybe enough people will reread tofu. ##vote FirmTofu Well gg scum, you win because we can't actually play the friggin game because lurk, and the townies (if town) who DO post are so ridiculously stupid they'd rather vote for a no-lynch. I honestly have no way in hell it is possible for JJD to think we are scum right now, and as such would rather willing not listen to anything anyone has said all game and throw away his vote. It's so ridiculous. Fuck this. | ||
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I really don't want a no-lynch today. I REALLY don't. I am 100% willing to look into FT again after this shit goes through (I'm pretty sure Geript's last read on him was town though mine was that something was 'off' about him..?) but not when we need an absolute bare minimum of active players to show up and consolidate. | ||
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Austin and Geript did work tonight and you're going to go and undo everything, pick someone at random call them scummy and expect everyone to follow you? Not happening. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:59 FiveTouch wrote: Well you've ne er struck me as the despair ragey type Wave. We just went through some horseshit lurk in Nuclear. We as a town also played like shit, I get it, we deserved to lose despite the lurk but it certainly didn't help. Now this shit is going to happen all over again? Completely unacceptable. I am pissed---I assumed people would lukr a little and then maybe show up and do a little something like most lurkers at least attempt to do, but it looks as though we have hit a new low and people just sign up for games to flat-out ruin them. I personally want Oats to die but I'm trusting Geript with the TG vote. You say neither of them deserve to die. With majority lynch and one hour to go, explain how this is a good plan to start filter diving and changing people's minds when there will likely not even be enough people around? | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:33 FirmTofu wrote: 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. At least we can rest easy that all the assholes who haven't voted yet are going to be warned about their behavior at the very least. I hate inactive games >< No. In my opinion (Wave) bans need to be handed out. I don't want people who are going to play like this in my future games. | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:34 FirmTofu wrote: Changing the rules on whim defeats the integrity of the game. I support insta-mod kill, though. On a whim? We have 9 votes right now. 1 vote is literally incapable of being cast so if Zeph isn't scum then all any of the 3 scum need to do is just find any reason to refuse a lynch (afk, etc.). Next, that 1 incastable vote is being counted as able as being able to be cast for purpose of majority. That's not fair. Like this shit is totally ridic. Even just assuming 9-3 distribution, 1 NK means 8-3 tomorrow with hella tonna lurkage scum can almost literally find ways to REFUSE TO ALLOW A LYNCH until they NK/Modkill town to win. How is that fair? | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: why? i'm not sure i have enough time to make a solid vote, im not going to vote for someone without reading just cause you told me to i literally have no idea what is happening in this game rn treat me like i just replaced in for some lurker, im just now reading <--- Geript. I endorse this lynch. I have a 7 page filter. You're going to vote TanGeng because I say you're going to vote TanGeng or we policy lynch you for being a fucking lurker all of day 1 regardless of any effort you actually put into the game. I won't even care if you're town or scum. I'll do it for shits and giggles and a teach you a lesson. Like, I really like you and your a cool dude despite being tough on me in the podcasts and a bit of an arrogant asshole (pot calling the kettle black I know), but you're going to do it because I'm telling you your going to do it. And your going to do it now. | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:56 FiveTouch wrote: wat I thought self-voting is allowed. I read the rulez. Naw bro: OP Voting rules: 1. Voting is done (in a separate thread, located in the "A Bluelightz Mafia Voting Thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote: Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may not abstain. I don't understand how it's "majority" vote when the rules clearly indicate plurality lynch as per 5 but that's different from what Bluelightz posted in the Voting thread. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Im sorry that my life doesnt allow me to be around earlier WoS. Truely. You haven't PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME YOU AND 5 OTHER PEOPLE | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:10 getmoript wrote: Tomorrow we triple lynch Oats, TG and DrH. To clarify, this is distinctly possible because no where in the rules does it specify that only 1 person can be lynched or that players may only have 1 current active vote. So since we're rules following people, we're going to follow the rules and get read of those two lurkers. Oats is scum for only showing up for the lynch. DrH is scum for denying the lynch. Both are scum for superlurking. ##gogorulezexploitation | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously WoS, dont ever ever ever ever try and say someone is scum JUST FOR bad or in this case, great timing. Its bad. DrH is totes scum for not voting though. How is it great timing? You do shit all all fucking day long. Like the turds I drop in the toilet could do more in this thread than you've done. You decide to *magically* appear for the lynch. Hop on the leading wagon. It happens to fail. You get to say, "See what a good townie I am. I really tried to get a lynch out of this." That's not town. GTFO. You're worse than useless. You'd quite literally be better off having been modkilled if you were town because either you'd get replaced by someone who cares or we wouldn't end up having to lynch into you. Pure scum motivation to not be modkilled. That's all your vote was. Somebody give me a machine gun. I have lurkers to mow down. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:19 Oatsmaster wrote: i dont want to super lurk, circumstances have forced me into this position. Yes. Circumstances. I get it. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Seriously WoS, dont ever ever ever ever try and say someone is scum JUST FOR bad or in this case, great timing. Its bad. DrH is totes scum for not voting though. Actually every post since the daypost has been Geript. Guess what though? I couldn't have said any of that better myself. Oh and by the way, I had you as scum long before you showed up to not get modkilled, but thanks for playing. No, really, I appreciate your efforts thus far. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Circumstances like I like to play dota. Also my QT keeps wanting me to lurk. dunno why man. Oh and so because you play dota you can't play games that you sign up to play. That's totally understandable. SCUM | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I have posted more than 1 post a cycle, no? And? That makes you town because you barely meet the guidelines? How does that make you town? | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote: It doesnt make me scum. Relax and lynch rayn plos. Yah it does. You're way more interested in getting in a shit fight with me than actually trying to convince me OR ANYONE ELSE that Rayn is actually scum. Like you're all totally, "Hey guys. I'm not scum. See how not scum I am." Instead of actually trying to be towny. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you missed out like 3 extra scums there. I dont think its worth my time or effort trying to convince you that rayn is scum when you dont give a shit anyway. And its NIGHT. Nah. You are totally going to get a Geript tunnel from hell. You don't get away that easily. The tunnel is done when I say it's done. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Exactly my fucking point. No. Where's your point? You don't have a single point on Rayn. Not 1. Here let me go read your filter. Oh look I'm done. On July 22 2013 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: lynch ryaryrayrayrayryan. It sucks that whenever Im here, no one fucking talks. Anyway rayn is scum. Game is ez. cant be arsed with voting for now. Wow. You've totally convinced me. I'm sooo voting Rayn tommorrow. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Fuck off geript, you don't get to tell me what to do and boss me around with the threat of a policy lynch and at the same time PM beg me for my advice. Sorry I was out of town all day, your vote is winning as far as I can tell so what are you angry about? Stay tilted. Wow. So you've red 2-3 posts pasts your last vote. Where are those sick reads you promised. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote: my point is that you dont give a flying shit what I have to say about rayn. DrH, why didnt you vote? Why should I care about what you've said about rayn? You haven't said anything about Rayn. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:43 Oatsmaster wrote: You should care because rayn is scum. But you dont because you have this innate anger against lurkers who come back to avoid modkill. Make Me Care | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:46 Oatsmaster wrote: hey marv, dick move analysis of geript"? Dick move analysis doesn't apply to me. I'll tell you that straight up. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:49 geript wrote: Actually I think me being a dick is a town tell. Whatever. Night. qff | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and if you think getting angry and leaving a game is somehow alignment indicative shut yourself in a room and read ver's guide 10000 times before you can come out or never sign up for a game again because it's a disgrace It's not signing out that the town tell silly. | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:50 geript wrote: Sleep it off. Hopefully come back to us in the morning. Qff | ||
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On July 22 2013 17:15 Oatsmaster wrote: lol. VE why you play nice this game Why aren't you working on that Rayn case... | ||
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On July 22 2013 17:15 FiveTouch wrote: I haven't been avoiding you. I just wasn't in the thread in general. Ok. So why haven't you been in the thread? | ||
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On July 22 2013 17:17 FiveTouch wrote: Oats haven't you been reading? I'm the evil scums causing innocent townies to ragequit because of my sadistically high expectations. I'm not nice at all this game. :O Strike 1 Explain to me why how Dr.H is raging and tilting isn't alignment indicative. Why how he's commented on things isn't alignment indicative? | ||
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I laughed, I cried, but most of all fuck this game a thousand ways from Sunday. This is not fun, and it is not how a game should be. Lynch TanGeng and Oats. I'm debating just leaving Geript to play this on his own because it's honestly just fucking miserable being a part of this piece of shit. Oats if you're town you should be modkilled for playing against your wincon. You won't be because hosts are afk or crazy lenient, and who knows if anything is going to happen with the rest of the bullshittery that went on. I don't really have much more to say about this. I agree with Geript in that Oats needs to be autolynched/vigged and we should still be lynching TanGeng. If we can't rely on hosts to remove chaff from the thread then we must do it ourselves. -Wave | ||
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On July 23 2013 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol how am I playing against my wincon? If you're scum, technically you're not but it's a real shit way to play. 'Dick-move' analysis: You're being a dick, and it makes me not want to play future games with you. Done talking to you; I don't want this thread shit up any further in the hopes that this game is salvageable after you and DrH (and other lurkers?) are gone. -Wave | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:32 austinmcc wrote: getmoript, last time town no-lynched on D1 because mafia wouldn't show up to place the final vote on their buddy, half of you won the game. That rounds up to the whole hydra winning. So odds are you will win this game if you're town. If you're mafia, then WoS lost that game and so the whole hydra will lose this one too. It's science. That was a unique situation.... I had the runs. If I would've noticed I would've bussed you in a heartbeat. | ||
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I think I've made this clear but I'll say it again. Either TG or Oats tomorrow. Not sure I really care which. List post of our reads coming later tonight before deadline; Geript and I have been mostly in agreement with our reads for the game so whoever posts it shouldn't matter. -Wave | ||
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On July 23 2013 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote: And this vote post is so horrible. "im not saying anything useful" like 3-4 other people in the game? Why me? Because I was getting pushed to be lynched and he wanted to lynch me cause Im totally a useful and important player. In this game? | ||
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Sadly, it seems as though Oats might not be scum at all---he for whatever reason just likes to play like shit as town every other game. Scum = TAA/TG/ mebbe Cora. Oats picked this out as well bu Cora's reaction to the TG rb is unnatural. He calls everyone out as having assumed TG is town who got scum roleblocked but nobody said or assumed this at all. Looks like a predetermined plan in scum QT to fake the RB to me and bus somebody who was likely being lynched anyway. May not be the simplest plan, but I've been a part of a lot of games lately where scum RB is not directly used on town for whatever reason. Thoughts, gentlemen? Oh also Onegu claim too dumb to be scum, sorry buddy.  -Wave | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:38 FiveTouch wrote: VE & I just musing in QT. Gonna let him have some post-time. I agree with almost everything you said, Wave, except I think Tangeng could be town. ~marv I don't like the idea of letting him go though. Someone said it earlier but we're always going to have that 'what if' feeling about him. What makes you think he's town? | ||
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Not certain I agree with you but Geript and I will discuss. I am interested to see what you thought was scummy about Geript though (since he was the one doing basically all the posting yesterday except where I said I'd to a list post and then got a case of the cbas) | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:47 FiveTouch wrote: I know, it feels icky. He's twice used the argument that Onegu is town because he could have lynched him. Now I'm well aware that scum can fake this argument, but in my experience usually they don't, it's usually townies who say stuff like this, because townies have a very self-centric view like that. I know I do that much more as town than I do as scum. Possibly because I'm usually under less suspicion as mafia, but meh. ~marv I don't think it's a great example. I believe everything DrH said before he ragequit was true and he justified his lack of activity to himself. He figured voting for himself wouldn't have actually mattered at that point and didn't catch up or care enough about this game at that point to help us out. It had nothing to do with him being a towny or scum not dropping the hammer imo. I think scum probably knew this so I don't really think that argument holds much water. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:52 FiveTouch wrote: Mostly you Wave - your whole charade of "OH MY GOD I'M SO FUCKING UNMOTIVATED JESUS THE GAME WHAT THE FUCK" You've come into the thread much better now, but last night it was really raising my hackles. I don't think you understand how much this game pissed me off starting the end of D1. Look at LX to see how pissed off I was about Grush's activity for exampe. I've come to give Grush a pass, but the fact that people sign up for games and don't fucking play will ALWAYS piss me off. It ruins games. On July 24 2013 01:52 Onegu wrote: @wave you think oats is town because meta or something else? I guess it's sort of meta? People who know Oats know he's capable of playing a blatant anti-town game as town. It's fucking ridiculous but it's true. He's since picked it up but you can't deny his entire D1 and some of N1 was anti-town. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:53 FiveTouch wrote: No, it's the mentality of Tangeng I'm talking about, not whether his argument actually holds water. ~marv But that's what I mean. If scum knew DrH is town hen that's an easy argument to toss out, and I don't think it says anything about mentality as such. You say it's more likely for that to come from a town mindset but I say it's just as easy for scum to pick up on that argument as the first one to use. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:55 FiveTouch wrote: I just dont' understand why, if he had a gun, he let people piss him off so bad? Why not just wait like FIVE MINUTES an shoot them in the night? I know I've taken a few therapeutic shots in my day... This I'm not sure about. I've seen DrH play a little and he's certainly capable of raging like that (as your ego feud would show as well). Hosts need to give me shots more often as well. | ||
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It seems pretty damn likely to me that Oats' play D1 could be a result of 2x scumgames in a row. That's probably the strongest scumpoint I have against him right now and I kinda want to ignore him the rest of the day either way so somebody help me think this through so I can move on. -still wave | ||
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On July 24 2013 02:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Marv I thought you were going to take a pass on reading me? We've been town together for like 8 games in a row and you've suspected me in every single one of them. If that says anything, it should say that we are both town. Marv isn't the only one who suspects you, honey. Lets get some comments on stuff that's not you, k? Thought on mine + 5T's recent conversation? | ||
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Haha man I'd be so pissed if that happened to me every game. I don't know if every scumteam ends up actually being afraid of him, if it's a coincidence, or people are just doing it for shits and giggles now. Now as far as who scum was 'likely' to shoot? I figured we would have been it from start of D1 but after the no-lynch debacle I figured maybe Austin instead since we no longer looked...I dunno 'capable?' No offense but I'm still not set on your alignment marv/VE so I'm not surprised you weren't the shot, nor am I surprised DrH wasn't. He was left up almost till LYLO in LX and he didn't do shit this game. Why would scum shoot him? | ||
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On July 24 2013 03:10 TanGeng wrote: @WoS Scum DrH would come from a position of information unlike Town DrH which would be in ignorance. Acting on their information is what should be happening and a mislynch was the easy answer. Do you think scum would act as DrH apparently did and abstained from the vote? Again, scum DrH COULD STILL make the no-lynch play if they were confident that I would be lynch bait and waste town time on a Day 2 lynch. In such a play, they'd have to know town well and be able to push town agenda. Given that, I'd expect one of the more vocal town voices to be scum and DrH would have been prepared for some kind of pressure on the null vote. He surely would not have rage quit. The way I see it, I was completely focused on Onegu. There is nothing in my post about myself except the unquestionable assumption that I am town. If you want to analyse me via my posting, clearly you'll have to peel back the assumption and run through the scum scenarios. @Marv Not sure what kind of mentality you mean by "self-centric." You're not following me. I don't think DrH is scum, I think you are. | ||
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On July 24 2013 04:04 JarJarDrinks wrote: I've already asked for this. No they don't care to share. I already told you. If you had bothered to read my filter then you would understand how and why I have a meta read on you. | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote: Not sure what bad experiences you're referring to? This is VE's baby, with my blessing. You can't say "why not TAA" without addressing the fundamental concerns that VE brought up. ~marv I'll comment when I get off work. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that. Fuck it. I'm tired of your shit. I'm detective. TAA is red. Go vote. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:29 FiveTouch wrote: I'm way less sure about this than VE tbh. getmoript, do you have anything with sanity, or do you know you're sane? ~marv Why does my sanity even matter? He's objectively scummy on top of a red check. Who cares. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote: I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Ok I'm with you... My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. What in the actual fuck? | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:24 FiveTouch wrote: Conclusion on Cora, getmo? Seems non-towny, but I don't think it makes him scum. Like the amount of time to process reasoning to fake claim there as scum is inordinate to me. Looks instinctive. I'd guess town but I think Cora's fakeclaimed before in NMM37 | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I was town in NMM37...what the hell are you talking about? Weren't you scum in one of the newbies? Or was I thinking of someone else? Like one of the ones before the one where we played, I think scum won after you got lynched for no good reason. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:46 getmoript wrote: Weren't you scum in one of the newbies? Or was I thinking of someone else? Like one of the ones before the one where we played, I think scum won after you got lynched for no good reason. No wait I remember now. You claimed blue and weren't counterclaimed and were lynched. That was it right? | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA. Explain this right now. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:56 FirmTofu wrote: I think it's possible that you are VT claiming cop in order to push your strongest scumread. Am I right? No. Explain WHY you think that. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote: If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. This is the second time you've said complete bullshit like this. You've NEVER done this as town AFAIK. Town exceptionally rarely take this attitude because they know that they need to work together. Admit it, you're scum. | ||
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On July 24 2013 08:13 FirmTofu wrote: This post does not reflect well upon TAA, I totally agree. However, I don't think it makes him 100% scum either. He could be newb town that doesn't feel like defending himself in a situation where it's his word against getmoript's. And how did you react in Sicilian? Was you're initial reaction like, "Awww man, claiming is cheetor hax" or were you all like, "WTF. I'm Town. Maybe I could be miller. Here's my claim. Herpaderp." Dude puts no effort in this game, looks scummy as hell. You admit he's looks scummy for stuff. You completely disbelieve the most active, thread driving, attention whoring, asshole, douchebag in the thread is town AND question his roleclaim because random bs reason. This is inexplicable if you're town. | ||
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On July 24 2013 08:23 FirmTofu wrote: Of course, this is all dependent on the idea that you are very confident in your scum read of TAA. If I was very confident in my TAA read then why didn't I push it harder D1? Why would I allow the switch to NG? | ||
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My point is that it serves no purpose. I'd be ruining good positive discussion which this thread needs just to push a lynch I want to push but am too lazy to make a big case on? I don't get it. I don't understand why you could imagine this is a fake claim. | ||
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Not entirely sure I would have wanted geript to claim if I was around but whatever. Tofu what in the actual fuck are you doing? Your play is so frigging ODD this game. I noticed this right from the beginning of the game and I have no idea what's up with you. Geript originally said you're town and having an 'off' game but fuck, man. You're being just weird and unnecessarily obtuse. | ||
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On July 24 2013 09:30 TheAwesomeAll wrote: only 1 dead night one, i like to think i blocked some mafia thing It's a mini. Have you played (the game of) mafia before? Just curious. | ||
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On July 24 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: That's exactly what I've been saying. Thread sentiment after getmoripts claim was obviously Lynch TAA. Tofu says "I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues". He seems to have had foreknowledge that TAA was gonna claim. I say scumslip. When I read it initially after your comment on it, I thought he was talking about Corazan. I was rather surprised by his first response to your questions. I can see it from both sides and it's possible it is a slip, but I don't think it's as damning as you make it out to be. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: Oats, if you're scum, vote for me. Don't accuse me of shit and then not follow through on it. WE ARE NOT DERAILING THE TAA LYNCH. GET OVER HOW AWESOME I AM SOME OTHER TIME!!!!!! | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:04 FiveTouch wrote: It's reasonably niche, because you have to be careful with its application, otherwise you start going wrong. Gotta be strict with it. So I have to be strict and firm right? Like you can't go soft on your choice of when to or not to apply it. I think Firm might be town for reasons already given by myself and austin. Not totally convinced, but I think so. Process of elimination is leading me towards kirby being mafia. ~marv Yah, I could buy it. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:11 FiveTouch wrote: The litmus test is something like this: if you read what someone has done from a scum perspective (say, WoS talking about what the hosts told him he could and couldn't say in Basterd) and it makes you barf in your mouth a little, it's time for dick move analysis. It really has to stir your loins. But what if the dick move is too big and instead of a little vomit I start choking? Like is there a specific range of 'just enough' dick move somewhere in between too little dick move and to much dick move? Also, couldn't Dr.H's play be considered for dick move analysis? Or is that too much dick to apply to the move? Or is Dr.H, like me, immune to dick move analysis. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:04 FiveTouch wrote: It's reasonably niche, because you have to be careful with its application, otherwise you start going wrong. Gotta be strict with it. I think Firm might be town for reasons already given by myself and austin. Not totally convinced, but I think so. Process of elimination is leading me towards kirby being mafia. ~marv I think I already used it slightly this game. On July 23 2013 02:30 getmoript wrote: If you're scum, technically you're not but it's a real shit way to play. 'Dick-move' analysis: You're being a dick, and it makes me not want to play future games with you. Done talking to you; I don't want this thread shit up any further in the hopes that this game is salvageable after you and DrH (and other lurkers?) are gone. -Wave Remember how the original dick move analysis meant to do something so 'borderline cheating'-y that would make you not want to play with that person again if they were using to their advantage as scum? It sort-of-but-not-really applies to Oats here (but as town?) but I just don't know if I'd want to play a game with him anymore regardless. -Wave | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:19 getmoript wrote: But what if the dick move is too big and instead of a little vomit I start choking? Like is there a specific range of 'just enough' dick move somewhere in between too little dick move and to much dick move? Also, couldn't Dr.H's play be considered for dick move analysis? Or is that too much dick to apply to the move? Or is Dr.H, like me, immune to dick move analysis. If DrH is scum, I'd say so, yes. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: Good luck with that, geript. 100% and still going  Wave - I said something pretty similar to VE about Oats in our QT. But what about me using the hydra thing as proof that I was town and stuff (in LXI)? Wouldn't that disqualify me? | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:28 FiveTouch wrote: I think it would be really crafty of scum to RB the VT claim, but what the fuck do I know? -VE Not dick move analysis that's for sure  | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote: You're telling me now that I'm the vig shot, but no one is going to shoot me. Because we have the same kind of town atmosphere still that let TG survive D1. There was an atmosphere on D1? I didn't know enough people showed up to play on D1 to even have an atmosphere. | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:08 austinmcc wrote: But TG mainly looks bad because he ended the day at x-1 and got a lot of those votes because his D1 actually reads scummy to me. Like, claim aside, his posts were scummy to me. And given that he started picking up votes with a couple hours to spare, and ended x-1, I would expect scum to pop in and lynch him if he were town. A no lynch is fine for them, but they passed up a dead townie if he's town, plus any incremental value of making me/others look scummy for lynching him. Nor do I think you're gonna pick up a bunch of scrutiny when everyone is clamoring for this guy to be lynched and begging people who haven't even read thread to vote him and lynch him. I actually disagree with this part. Here's why. Considering the activity level D1, a no lynch is far preferable to a town mislynch IMO and here's why. 1. Said town mislynch is going to be an easy topic to hide in all game long. 2. Said town mislynch can be pushed on D2 or D3 reasonably easily 3. Low activity combined with stupid majority voting rules means that after a no-lynch, 2 NKs and a mislynch. At a 9-3 or 8-3-1 split, you can force town into lylo at 5-3 instead of at 4-3 which is a HUGE boon because you can still be getting rid of the obv town while keeping the lurkers/scummy players to help hide in. | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:15 FiveTouch wrote: Were TAA or jrkirby around any time near lynch? AFAIK neither were. Jkirby went off early IIRC and TAA was like MIA as much D1 as he's been today. | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:27 austinmcc wrote: In all honesty, if you're paranoid, I'll still be surprised if TAA flips town. Like, regardless of whether the check is trustworthy, the reaction to the check ... No I wholly agree there. Thus the irony in the situation (a paranoid cop getting scum lynched on a red check). | ||
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On July 25 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: jrkirby, you're ducking the panda question. Also, you left off last night right before lynch saying you'd look into TG. Did you ever do so? Either way, talk a wittle bit about TG please. Yah, it's a panda question. No ducks allowed. | ||
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I'm feeling real good about this considering the radio silence from TAA---often means scum resignation to one's fate. -Wave + Show Spoiler + (Or horrible town play, and I suppose we've seen plenty of that, so ugh) | ||
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On July 25 2013 12:38 Onegu wrote: @wave what are your thoughts on cora? Both of us had a scumread on him for quite a while. Geript thought it was a better idea to claim and push TAA for today, so I'm going to sit back and see how this pans out because there is a fair bit riding on the flip it seems. If there's not much else going on right now maybe I'll dive his filter again. | ||
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Guess that means we might be dead tonight, eh other head? So now the question becomes, was TG actually lying about getting roleblocked or did scum know TAA was going to flip anyway so they tried to get us to lynch him? Cora actually was following the line of reasoning that if one is lying they both are....hmm....... -Wave | ||
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I guess we'll just have to look at what the actions were regarding TG's lynch and if people were just fucking stupid or actually protecting him. TG and Cora could be last two scum. -wave | ||
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On July 25 2013 15:26 jrkirby wrote: Didn't TG claim RB before getmoript claimed TAA was red? Or do I have the order wrong? That's correct. | ||
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On July 25 2013 15:32 getmoript wrote: @Wave. What do you think of JJD? I don't know how much you want me to reveal here but I pretty much stopped caring about him since you told me your read on him. On July 25 2013 15:32 getmoript wrote: @VE who do you think Onegu should shoot? TG/Cora/Oats. Any of those three honestly. | ||
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Are you thinking newbie/afk scumteam? JJD: I'm really bad at reading him. And that's even considering I've played scum with him. Posts like this: On July 24 2013 06:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote TAA Part of me thinks this a way for getmoript to save oats but I'll trade 1 for 2. Like....so unbelievably ridiculous. Too ridiculous to be scum in my opinion. I'm pretty sure scum would be a little more wary of attacking us when we were the towniest motherfuckers in thread all game. | ||
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Thinks the roleblock on TG was town.... I dunno, weird play to be sure, but not scummy. Tofu's weird play could be scummy. You can add him to the 'would shoot' list I suppose. -wave | ||
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On July 25 2013 20:51 TanGeng wrote: Ok, so let's suppose that there is a survivor. Let's suppose that you are the survivor. How would you be playing? I'm not so much interested in whether or not town should find and lynch the 3p rather than figure out how 3p might play in or interfere with town agenda. I don't get your obsession with trying to find 3P. There was no extra NK so IF there is a 3P he is survivor (or something like bartender, but I refuse to consider that). How exactly will a survivor be interfering with the town 'agenda?' Are you trying to claim here in a really awkward way or some shit? -Wave | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:24 TanGeng wrote: My top vig target would be Corazon. ......because......? | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: I would think you'd have expected this regardless. Kill U , RB the vig makes sense. Doesn't matter now I guess. Maybe we have a medic. No real point in arguing this since you're confirmed town now but I don't think anyone would have labled you the "towniest motherfuckers" before your claim. yeah, that's just completely untrue Considering we both would consider you a townread atm, I feel there's probably no point in pointing out to you otherwise. You're pretty cute though. | ||
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On July 25 2013 22:04 Onegu wrote: Honestly guys for me its 1 jrkirby 2 jrkirby 3 jrkirby 4 firm 5 TG Like to discuss this more with geript and WoS as they are closest thing to confirmed town at this point. Austins thoughts would be welcome also. Nope. Don't like a jkirby shot---guy is insane-o massive lynchbait in every game. He'd be maybe 5th on my previous list of 4. | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:49 Onegu wrote: Where did that come from, is meta all you got? No meta isn't all I have but it's at the core of it. He's not reading for comprehension. He's picking and choosing. In addition he's barely skimming the thread. Town JJD doesn't do this PERIOD. The fact that he thinks that I wasn't the towniest person in the thread at that point is laughable. I've seen enough that to read that he's not putting the effort in that he does as town, that he's not putting the thought in that he does as town and rather that he's just posting random bs to post. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:00 FiveTouch wrote: I'm still marv, VE will sign his post when he returns. I think your meta-read is shit. Why do you say that? | ||
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Marv and/or VE (I forget which of you were pushing this) I disagree with you about TG/Tofu. I don't necessarily think either are town and think either would be a good shot tonight. Take Oats off the list, fine. Shot should be one of Cora/TG/Tofu. No one else. I like austin's idea where we shoot into where we're likely to get the most information. -Wave | ||
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On July 25 2013 21:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: I would think you'd have expected this regardless. Kill U , RB the vig makes sense. Doesn't matter now I guess. Maybe we have a medic. I want to make an exceptionally important point here. There's literally 0 reason for me town to expect us dead REGARDLESS of the flip. If he flips green, then we're likely paranoid or insane. With another claimed cop, it's quite possible that they shoot him instead of us. Or they hope that Onegu doesn't shoot and they kill him instead. Or hell, maybe they just shoot Marv/VE because they're good and shit. There's 0 reason to expect us to be dead regardless from a town perspective because there are so many quality targets available (blue/vet/etc.). However, the only reason for us to be dead regardless of the flip is if JJD 100% knew the exact flip already. As scum, if you're losing your RB and you have a claimed detective who's apparently sane, he's a HUGE detriment. He can mostly confirm some of the questionable townies. This comment specifically says to me, "I've been thinking about who's dead." Town can have some expectations, but quite often they're just that. On July 24 2013 06:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote TAA Part of me thinks this a way for getmoript to save oats but I'll trade 1 for 2. This is the first time JJD brings up TAA at all. I'd talked about TAA a good amount; Austin had (but austin didn't think he was scummy). Tofu had. 5T had. Now JJD had a scum read on me for a while, but if that's the case then he should be trying to show how I'm making 'scum cases.' But at no point is he actively pushing for me; he's not trying to break me down and actually show why I'm scum. At no point is he actually engaging people to talk about the read on me or trying to talk to any other active player to convince them OR confirm his read. He's also actively ignored posts from multiple people talking about my scum meta (which is shall we say drastically different). Most importantly, his reads really haven't moved at all. His reads come off as static to me (which tends to be a scum tell) for me. He's not looking for confirmation bias at all. That's a really big indicator for me. | ||
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On July 26 2013 06:30 cDgCorazon wrote: How many times are you going to threaten me and not follow through on it? Look man. You've claimed a roll; you're a lynch not a shot. I'd prefer if you spent time making big posts on who you think is scum and why. | ||
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On July 26 2013 06:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Hi VE. You seem a bit mad. But really, I'm not getting shot and you guys aren't going to lynch me. You guys won't follow through on it. He's not mad. He didn't misspell anything. | ||
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On July 26 2013 10:59 Onegu wrote: Im not going to make everyone happy with this shot, hopefully its scum I upset but I will be honest I wish I didnt claim and just take the shot stress free but that train has passed. I am not shooting cora, austin, getmoript, 5t, or firm at this point. And for me Jkirby and TG are my main focus at this point. I'd rather you shoot oats or JJD instead of TG. Kirby, eh. | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:06 getmoript wrote: Ja. JJD is town. But he just doesn't get it. That makes me giggle inside. Time to get konk On July 22 2013 14:23 getmoript wrote: Look JJD. You need to get your ass in here now. You're playing with the big boys so you better watch your step. Go vote tang. Hell. I've said a few times that I have hella meta read on you and you had 0 clue. Like you easily should've known and that would tell you both that I'm town by how I've played and by who I am. On top of that, both my amount and type of activity should've been a huge hint. On July 26 2013 06:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: I didn't mean regardless of whether he flips town or scum. I meant regardless of him being roleblocker or not. First off, this makes no sense. If Scum still have a roleblocker (after a TAA scum lynch), then they can just block me and kill someone else. I know if I were them I'd take my chances with a town vig block me and kill a town Marv. I still don't know my sanity (could be anything except naive) so a d3 check against them isn't that bad especially if they have a GF and/or framer. By the exact flip, I literally mean a Scum RB flip. There's a million good lines of play available dependent on who that last couple scum are and what they have left (especially if they have a rb left). You're a better town player than this. When you said "Guess that means we might be dead tonight" I just assumed that u meant: now that you know there's no scum roleblocker. It didn't occur to me that you meant: now that we know he's scum, because you already had a red check. Why would us finding scum make an actual difference? Town hasn't been following my lead for the most part and has been arguing against my points. I've been bending to not push my reads as firmly as I could and allow myself to accept other's reads. Even if I'm confirmed town it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right time to kill me. What I read is, "That guy's dead tonight. So whatevs." I have no defense for the TAA thing. I honestly never thought TAA was scummy @ all untill after the redcheck. And I said originally why I thought you were scummy. I asked a few times for you to explain why you had a town meta read on me which you didn't answer. But you're right, I never really pursued it much further. I didn't think I really had a chance of getting people to believe you were scum because nobody really seemed suspicious of you at all. So I focused on my other reads @ the time. Except here's the thing, I know you. You can look at a filter and try and assess who's scum and why. I made some damn good points on TAA twice in my D1 filter. But all that got swept under the rug. You never even stopping to read my filter and assess when/how/where I'm making cases is a huge ding against you. You're better than that as town. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:40 austinmcc wrote: Don't sleep on FiveTouch. Marv can play a perfectly townie looking scum game. So can VE. Two people can be quite active. I also wouldn't trust DT checks on him, and think he's a bad check target, given that some games allow you to assign GF role if there is one, and I'd expect a scum team to plop it in their hands. If 5T isn't dead in 2-3 nights, he needs lynching. People will balk at that, but it's true. Do not leave him for endgame. I wanted to make some points on Marv/VE, but honestly I trust them. The only point that you should even consider lynching Marv/VE is if their preferred lynches for the next 2 days are both town, then they're possibly scum. But honestly I'm not seeing it. Marv/VE both supported my TAA push a few times when he easily could've diverted a few different ways. They're both good enough to do that. I consider them obv town, far moreso than austin. If anything, considering lynching them at LYLO but not before... Speak of LYLO. Onegu. Let me repeat myself. DO NOT SHOOT. DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT. DON'T SHOOT TOMMORROW. DON'T SHOOT PERIOD. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:00 TanGeng wrote: ugh I think we can always do a no lynch to have the same effect as not taking a shot. No. Accepting a No Lynch means that Scum get to control who gets shot; which means the towniest person in the thread who had 0 chance of being lynched gets gone. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:06 austinmcc wrote: Nah. I think that overuse of town KP can be bad, as seen somewhat in Nuclear and PTP and a buncha other games. But in this case, town isn't popping off a buncha folks. We've allegedly got one vigi, and barring this actually being a SK claiming vigi super early on which seems like a bad idea. So given that we're not going to blow away a BUNCHA townies, and are unlikely to lose a power role as we've had a bunch claimed already, I like the idea of a shot. We have enough ?s, and some of the ?s (who are totes mcgotes mafia) inform other ?s. I think firing at scummy guy, getting rid of a lynch option and getting more information, is worth the chance of a townie dying. For me it doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with shooting blues, etc. It's a simple numbers game: D1 9-3 No Lynch leaves 9-3 N1 9-3 Town NK leaves 8-3 D2 8-3 Scum lynch leaves 8-2 N2 8-2 Town NK leaves 7-2 D3 7-2 Mislynch leaves 6-2 N3 6-2 NK leaves 5-2 D4 5-2 Mislynch leaves 4-2 N4 4-2 NK leaves 3-2 D5 3-2 LYLO Whereas a shot becomes: D1 9-3 No Lynch leaves 9-3 N1 9-3 Town NK leaves 8-3 D2 8-3 Scum lynch leaves 8-2 N2 8-2 Town NK and Town Vig NK leaves 6-2 D3 6-2 Mislynch leaves 5-2 N3 5-2 NK leaves 4-2 D4 4-2 LYLO Option here is No lynch (which is worthless IMO) | ||
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On July 26 2013 14:09 cDgCorazon wrote: There's a lot of your posts that are silly one-liners that do not help town at all. Some of his posts help town? That's news to me. Onegu. I would prefer you not shoot today and wait a day. If you are going to shoot, tell us at the very last second | ||
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On July 26 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Its not a bitch fight if you can back up your accusations. Which you cant. And Im shitting on you for it. So too bad man. Listen here Oats. Nobody thinks you're town. That's your fault. Let me repeat. NOBODY HAVING A TOWN READ ON YOU IS YOUR FAULT. You want people to have a town read on you and not shoot you, then you should probably not be completely fucking useless. Honestly, any respect I may have had for you has completely gone out the window after this game regardless of your alignment. You're not playing to win. GTFO. | ||
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Why would you announce who you are checking now to scum a chance to possibly react (if you're town)? If you really are a town rolecop I wouldn't put it past there being some sort of a framer role that could work for roles as well. | ||
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On July 26 2013 14:34 FiveTouch wrote: It's not that you shitpost Oats, it's that you don't give a fuck about the game. You're here to chitchat..to socialize. You don't want to read the thread, or try and find scum. Or try not to get lynched. Regardless of your alignment, you're exclusively in it for yourself. It makes trying to read you nearly impossible and it makes playing with you not fun. I've had fun playing with you. You're not fun playing like this, and you've been doing it as town. I have to assume you do it as scum too. I have absolutely no idea what I think of you in this game because every post you make makes me want to kill you JUST to remove you from the game. Couldn't have phrased it better myself. Everyone shitposts at one point or another, Oats. I know you're perfectly capable of playing a good game and caring about a game, but when you play like you did D1, it ruins the fun for everyone. I'm not going to say anything more about this during this game because as was mentioned, it's not alignment indicative and doesn't necessarily pertain to any real outcome. -Wave | ||
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