A Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack"

On July 22 2013 08:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
fivetouch made a post calling out the lurkers,

evidently he named almost every lurker(up to that point) except TanGeng.
TG strikes me as smart and competent with the few posts he made but he hasnt contributed yet so im kinda interested in him and then FT made that post which intentionally left TG out of the spotlight so i thought it was worth pointing out.

On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right?


FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up!
Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell.

On July 22 2013 02:14 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
@getmoript spamming up the threads is cool and all but just pressure lurkers if you want more activity. To go more in-depth to why i think you are scum is because the only thing that really happened D1 so far is the conflict between you and FT and whereas FT says something like this


you say something like this

wtf does that accomplish? youre defending so aggressively and later try to pass it of as if you were just raging at the nuclear game(see the terribly forced post i quoted earlier)
The way i see it is that you overreact enormously to a little bit of pressure. Making you scummy.

also treating this game as a twitter feed isnt


here are some of your tweets just for fun
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On July 23 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
mislynch Onegu? scumslip?

On July 21 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
nonononono
Dont lynch me.

Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???

On July 22 2013 17:16 Oatsmaster wrote:

Because Im not?
???

On July 22 2013 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont have to motivation to look for it

On July 22 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Of course, if someone had a gun and wanted to use it, I might make a case.

On July 23 2013 19:04 Oatsmaster wrote:

\o/

On July 23 2013 09:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
rayn scum guys.


Weird pressure vote which doesnt have any stuff in it how firmtofu is scum. Nothing. Just OMGUS.


Also, so firmtofu cant make a bad case but this dude can? Double standerds = scum.


Yeah no, since when has the number of votes on a dude = to easiest target? Why does rayn even give a fuck that firmtofu is the easiest target? Why does town rayn care whether FirmTofu is an easy target or not?

Rayn then says that a lynch is always preferable to nolynch for scum, so therefore TG is scum right?

um nope. Contradictions everywhere.

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In other news, Cora didnt even address me at all, so he didnt read the thread. He doesnt push anyone. All in all, a horrible opening post.

On July 23 2013 20:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well I made a case you dont totally agree with, is it intentionally bad or not Onegu?

On July 23 2013 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote:

so what would make you think Im not scum?
Actually lets say you were scum, how would you play this game, replacing a dude and all that?

On July 23 2013 21:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

So what would town do?

On July 23 2013 21:30 Oatsmaster wrote:

So what do scum do?
Like optimally.

also, just asking a question man, why so disturbed?
If you are scum and just replaced in, how would you be playing?

On July 23 2013 19:25 Onegu wrote:


Why post this? Rest of page 1 filter is fluff.





Why didnt you make a case on him, why just keep spouting he is scum with nothing.
Rest of page 2 is filler.




Did you ever have anything in the first place?





Guess what I do, and to be honest if I didnt join after the deadline I would have shot you.

Most of the rest of page 3 is filler.

When you finally make your case on rayne why point out double standards I dont see it.


Also your case on jkirby is like you are attacking him for newbie play not actual scum actions because he made a case on you, also firm was the first to call you scum.



And why do you keep asking people if they think you are scum?

So a ton of filler, refuseal to read the thread and make a case, and the cases you do make I feel arent very strong like you are going after easy targets and then not makeing strong points.

On July 23 2013 22:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
In all honesty, the TanGeng RB claim doesn't really add up for me. Was there something in his filter that screamed blue to mafia? You guys are writing him off as town just because he got RB'd, which is really silly. I could see a scum TG claiming to be RB'd in order to try and make up for a really shitty game he has played so far.

Onegu's claim is really dumb as well. I'm not entirely sure what we can do about it though. If he is vigi, we really shouldn't lynch him because he is important to the town. On the other hand, if he isn't scum he should die N2. It's really a good thing for town that he claimed because if he dies tonight we see his flip, but if he doesn't he is probably scum.

Oats hasn't done much this game, and if people want to lynch him, I'd be on board with that.

On July 24 2013 01:37 getmoript wrote:
K I have too many scumreads right now. Might have to downgrade some.
Sadly, it seems as though Oats might not be scum at all---he for whatever reason just likes to play like shit as town every other game.

Scum = TAA/TG/ mebbe Cora.
Oats picked this out as well bu Cora's reaction to the TG rb is unnatural. He calls everyone out as having assumed TG is town who got scum roleblocked but nobody said or assumed this at all. Looks like a predetermined plan in scum QT to fake the RB to me and bus somebody who was likely being lynched anyway.
May not be the simplest plan, but I've been a part of a lot of games lately where scum RB is not directly used on town for whatever reason.

Thoughts, gentlemen?

Oh also Onegu claim too dumb to be scum, sorry buddy.

-Wave

On July 24 2013 01:57 getmoript wrote:

But that's what I mean. If scum knew DrH is town hen that's an easy argument to toss out, and I don't think it says anything about mentality as such. You say it's more likely for that to come from a town mindset but I say it's just as easy for scum to pick up on that argument as the first one to use.

On July 24 2013 01:58 Onegu wrote:


If I remember correct TG wasnt the first to use it either.

On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.

##Unvote

I'm going either Getmoript or TAA.

On July 24 2013 18:54 FiveTouch wrote:


"Here's a bunch of reasons he could be mafia, but I'm not seeing how he could be mafia. Guise???"

On July 24 2013 21:53 cDgCorazon wrote:


A lynch for you would get rid of one of the players who are holding this town back from scumhunting. Since we obviously have 3 lynches to find scum, we might as well use at least one of them on someone who is promoting a bad town atmosphere.

On July 24 2013 22:20 FiveTouch wrote:
I mean if we were going to lynch people for saying stupid shit, we'd be lynching Onegu for randomly claiming.

Eh? :D

On July 24 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I dont think scum has a roleblocker.

On July 25 2013 10:16 jrkirby wrote:

What is this WTF about?

On July 26 2013 10:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Don't shoot someone just because you don't agree with their conclusions. I actually liked TG's post up there.

I don't know why you wouldn't just say "I'm going to shoot TG" outright because that's what you're saying with ur tunnel and ur bias.

On July 26 2013 11:19 getmoript wrote:

I'd rather you shoot oats or JJD instead of TG. Kirby, eh.

On July 26 2013 14:12 getmoript wrote:

Some of his posts help town? That's news to me.

Onegu. I would prefer you not shoot today and wait a day. If you are going to shoot, tell us at the very last second

On July 25 2013 23:34 austinmcc wrote:
I'm around-ish for a couple hours now, and then around later tonight (eastern) before deadline. I also really wanted to claim medic protecting you just to play the WIFOM game, but maybe I'm claiming it now. Suck it, scum, maybe getmoript is protected.

Whatup? Or do I need to clear a block of time and be around to discuss rather than just get a question fired?

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Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine.

I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum.

On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea!

On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote:
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I think both of us are town. When I judge who I think is scum, I don't look at the content of their posts as much as the dead giveaways: things like defending someone, who and when votes happened, claims, deaths, associations. While tangeng's posts day 1 might not have the greatest content, I don't see scum motivation there.

In firmtofu's posts, I do see scum motivation. He defended TAA much longer than he should've, and went all out on the defence too. Just recently, he quoted TAA to defend himself: + Show Spoiler +
Even going so far as to bold a line that says "Happy wifom everyone." That, I must say, is bold.+ Show Spoiler +

He wants me (who I know am town) and TG (who I think is town) shot, as well as JJD who I also have a town read on.

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Since I expect to die tonight, let me post my reads and what I expect/hope to happen.

I think that getmoript and I will get shot tonight. Scum shoot getmoript, onegu shoots me. Cora hopefully has some info for town. I hope that Firmtofu gets lynched. Then next night, onegu or cora gets shot. I'd prefer to have cora get shot, because I'd rather have a confirmed town than a dubious, weak, power role alive, but I expect onegu to get shot. If onegu is shot, I think the third scum is either cora or oatsmaster. If cora has any info from his nightly investigations, take that into account. You should be able to mislynch one and get the other the next night though.

My worst case scenario: I get shot (I'll flip town), and then TG gets lynched and flips town. Second worst is TG gets shot, flips town, and I get lynched. If TG gets shot and flips scum, then I'll have to rethink my reads on JJD and firmtofu. Best case: firmtofu gets shot and flips scum. Actually, new worst case scenario: firmtofu gets shot and flips town. That would really screw us up. At least if he's vigid, if scum shoot him, it just makes things clearer and we still have cop.

My plead: If I get shot and flip town, pleasepleaseplease don't lynch TG right next. If I flip scum, sure, but I'm not gonna flip scum.

So, reads:

getmoript: He's town. but he's gonna get shot tonight anyway, so doesn't matter too much. Although if he doesn't get shot, be fairly suspicious.

Me, TG, JJD, firmtofu: I already wrote about us.

Fivetouch: if he's scum... well played, well played. I think he's town.

Austin: He certainly reads town. I have not too much suspicion here, but if he starts acting funky, don't hesitate to consider him.

Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).

Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.

So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.

On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.

On July 27 2013 22:17 TanGeng wrote:
Argh. I'm so solid on my read now, I can't even objectively read Vivax and compare him to old austinmcc for the unconvinced.

On July 28 2013 12:27 TanGeng wrote:
Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray.


Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.

On July 28 2013 13:22 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't need to argue with you defending myself because you cant get majority on me. If you were town, you would be pursuing Kirby in your position because people would actually vote for him. Onegu and 5T aren't going to vote for me.

However, for scum, a no lynch is actually preferable to a mislynch because a mislynch would giventown invaluable information.

That's why you're pushing me instead of Kirby. You want this no lynch. You aren't even looking for scum at this point.

On July 28 2013 14:24 FirmTofu wrote:
That being said, I am perfectly OK with being lynched. I just want town to promise that they will lynch you AND TG when I flip town.

If town agrees to that, I'll vote myself.

On July 28 2013 14:39 FirmTofu wrote:

I'll play devil's advocate here. Theoretically, if Cora flipped town(which he's not going to), then that would make TG look good because he's been defending him this entire time.

Onegu isn't confirmed because mafia could have a dayvig.

On July 28 2013 14:40 jrkirby wrote:
Also, how do we know that 5T speculation isn't correct, and there are 4 cops, making vivax and JJD scum?

On July 28 2013 14:52 jrkirby wrote:
Votes are on corazon, that's what Onegu wanted

On July 29 2013 02:50 TanGeng wrote:
@VE & Marv

Onegu was totally looking for a veteran to sheep and I'm looking at you.

After yesterday's mess, I'll be available if you ever want to hear and breakdown my case against FirmTofu & austinmcc/Vivax.
If you think I've got my read right, then you can make one last appeal and lead these townies to victory.

On July 29 2013 19:57 TanGeng wrote:
Thinking over the possible choices at the moment:

policy lynch jrkirby
no-lynch
lynch vivax/tofu

On July 29 2013 19:46 TanGeng wrote:


WTF.
I'm on the verge of policy lynching you ATM, MYLO be damned. Post that after lurking!?

On July 29 2013 20:23 TanGeng wrote:
Scummy? What evidence? Build a case, dammit.

jrkirby is lurky - yes. He is also a total newbie and is completely liability for town. Yes.
Basically jrkirby opens his mouth and doesn't look townie. That's right.
That's not enough to mark scum for me.
And don't blame him for YOUR Oatsmaster shot AND Corazon lynch.
Scum? What evidence? Build a case for scummy plays.

So build a fucking case. And go lighter on the weak meta arguments please. Otherwise I will bust out
OMG Y U META
DO YOU EVEN SCUMHUNT

Only thing I have at this point is he lurks and then posts like no townie or scum would ever post, and that is a policy lynch.

And why policy lynch on MYLO?
I think marv said it best. Dick Move. Dick. Move.

On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player.

On July 27 2013 19:22 Onegu wrote:


His post here I felt he did a good job of makeing a cases and was actually scum hunting unlike TGs post. Also he tells me to shoot him which made me feel somewhat townie, why would scum want me to shoot him. I had made a scum read on oats when I first joined the game, when he got more active I went to null. Then rereading his filter before the deadline I felt scum again. Most people made good scum points on him. TG I felt has gotten progressivly more town, also I have no Idea why scum would roleblock thier own teammate, once his claim to be roleblocked came out and TAA flipped scum rb I started to feel more and more town, then his posts today while I dont agree with are really townie to me.

On July 27 2013 19:42 Onegu wrote:
When he asked me to shoot him it made me think for a second he might not be scum and went with oats, after oats flipped town I am sure jrkirby was just makeing a play to live and that he is scum 100%

On July 28 2013 08:31 Onegu wrote:
I believe all the claims I am guessing each has a different sanity, if I had to choose on to be fake it would be firmTofu but I think his is real also. People JrKirby looks really really bad give me reasons on why he isnt scum.

Vivax you think as scum when I replaced in the first thing I did was to make a case on TAA to bus him?

On July 28 2013 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Cora stop pouting and get back here and vote kirby, if that happens firm you better not let a no lynch happen.


FIVETOUCH WHERE ARE YOU CALLING MARV OR VE EARTH THE MARV OR VE

On July 29 2013 20:42 TanGeng wrote:


You had the choice to lynch, to no-lynch, to try to get others to switch their votes. You didn't. Your read of jrkirby is also wrong.
jrkirby only cared whether or not he was getting lynched. That's a null.
jrkirby made no pressure to force a lynch on Cora or Tofu. You had to identify whether or not the lynch was good or not. Don't call kirby scum for making you look bad. He didn't do anything at all.

BTW, you could have made a policy-lynch kirby case on day 3. I'd have agreed.

On July 30 2013 21:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:
This is all old news. I was all over tofu for this same reason. But the claim changes everything.


TG suggests that it's WIFOM and is designed too like like a "too suicidal to be scum" play. But that's just not possible because it's 5Ts subsequent claim that makes it impossible to be a scum play. And 5T has flipped town.


Lemme break down what I've been saying (again) because there's several reasons tofu can't be bad:

- I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd.

- Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched.

- He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed.


So this could not have been a WIFOM play because it fails miserably if fivetouch doesn't claim to be the 4th cop. If fivetouch doesn't claim then no one would even consider the fact that tofu could be telling the truth and he'd get immediately lynched.