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On July 15 2013 02:26 StiMaDDict wrote:
@jkirby: please, stop dodging the subject. Why did you think those 3 were most suspicious at the time your posting and what is your current read on them.
Oh, that was the question. Woops.
Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall.
I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive.
Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter.
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On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it?
We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions.
If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now.
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On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment.
It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks.
My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch.
Reasoning:
1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers.
2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well.
3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to.
I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team.
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On July 15 2013 02:53 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote:
I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 01:47 jrkirby wrote:
And when I'm talking to someone to try to help them calm down, I'm going to phrase it from a "we're both town" perspective. Doing it any other way is going to backfire. Then why did you call him stupid? This is the most damning point that I have seen against you. You treat Stim as though you have a town read on him and then call him stupid and claim to have a null read. You now say that you were trying to help him calm down. Yet you called him stupid. When in your life have you ever gotten someone to calm down by calling them stupid? Why did you call Stim stupid?
You're right, I shouldn't have called him stupid. I dislike it when players get really angry, doing irrational things, and I made a mistake. That wasn't the best thing to say at the time. But partially I said it because it was a) honest, and b) people were asking me my opinion on him.
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On July 15 2013 03:08 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:03 jrkirby wrote:Gotard is really sheeping with his vote on me. In one post, he says I "confuse him a little" before anyone has voted me. Then he votes me saying: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play.
These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way.
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On July 15 2013 03:35 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. You didn't have anything to pressure him on?!? What about what you literally just told me? Show nested quote +
We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions.
A townie would post their scumread in the thread with their reasoning. You DID have something to pressure him on, but you DIDN'T. You guys aren't really going to let this slide, right?
I didn't have anything ELSE to pressure him on.
And I didn't want to completely tunnel him either.
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Does anyone have defense for Gotard? Rainbows, you unvoted him to vote... no one? I don't understand. It doesn't sound like you've stopped thinking he's scum, you just unvoted him.
Can someone else read Gotard's filter and tell me why he's not scum?
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My read on superflous: slightly scummy. At first he talks about doing a no lynch, and first day, you have to at least TRY to lynch. If you don't even try, the first day might as well not have even happened, which is bad. He votes xzavier for pretty much no reason, and that's a bit scummy too. He comes back today, bu he still hasn't switched to Koshi, who's the only person he's written a case on.
Overall, I'd prefer to lynch someone else over him, but might vote for him if that's the only way to get a lynch.
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I think that you're right about gotard. He seems a lot like jarjardrinks in the first game I played. But no one is really taking a second look at him. In about 10 minutes I'm going to switch my vote from gotard to superflous, as he seems a bit scummy and I'd rather lynch him than no one.
But I would much prefer it if the case on gotard were reviewed by everyone. When I called him out on his sheep vote, instead of giving good reasons for his vote, he just said,oh, other people are doing the same thing. That's not an excuse.
And besides, gotard: Other people ARE posting why they are on the bandwagon their on. Sure, some people haven't voted yet, but most people who have voted have at least a bit of reasonig behind it, rather than just "I find you scummy."
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How can you say I'm not trying to find scum? I put pressure on hurricane sponge early game, maybe not as much as you like. I pointed out something I thought might be a scumslip by rainbows. I've put a case on gotard. These are all scumhunting. Maybe I didn't follow through on these as much as I should have, but I was hunting.
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On July 15 2013 05:35 Rainbows wrote:
unvote
vote: jrkirby
cus chrom said so
Wait, is this sarcastic? Because you didn't do this in the voting thread.
Also, nightcat just voted in the vote thread with nothing(?) in the main thread.
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On July 15 2013 05:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:35 Superfluous wrote:
He asked if he was a good play. I'm saying its not, and it doesn't help the town. In an experienced player game it could be an early gambit here I don't think it is if only because he's being replaced. Where did all that vet stuff come from?
I think he misread VT as veteran. VT means vanilla town, super.
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EBWOP: I see rainbows vote now
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Well, Gotard's wagon isn't going to happen, that's pretty clear now.
##Unvote: gotard
[b]Vote: superflous[b]
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Well, superfluous is probably going to vote me, and I'll die.
So, reads:
hzflank and chromatically seem town.
Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice.
cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him.
nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread.
Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too.
Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow.
Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim.
Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die.
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On July 15 2013 05:52 Umasi wrote:
can I just ask what people are talking about with someone claimed vet or vt or whatever the fuck
I've /find and searched for VT and Vet on pages 35,36,37 and found no one claiming anything, am I just missing something?
If someone would spell it out for me that'd be nice
or just tell me it's not important so I can ignore it.
I think that Superfluous and Kirby are about equal in terms of scumminess.
Will hold of on questioning Nightcat because he said he would explain, if he never explains, wham bam slam etc etc
Stim said something about hi getting replaced, and said he was VT, or vanilla town. Super misread as Veteran
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On July 15 2013 05:53 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote:
him [super] sticking to his "gut-read" is damning the town. he needs to vote on a bandwagon or we run the possibility of a no-lynch which by far benefits scum the most, we NEED to get a lynch off.
jkirby also throwing his vote away is worrying me, but atleast hes made a case on the person he has voted for.
I don't understand this. You think that Super is scummy for not being on a wagon. You are willing to ignore Kirby not being on a wagon. The fact that he's made a case is irrelevant, he's still "benefitting scum" just as much by not being on a wagon.
Super didn't make a real case, that's the difference. Besides, now I am on a wagon, voting for super if anyone missed it.
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Rainbows: Can you clarify why you are voting for me instead of super? Either defend him, or condemn me. I want something more than, "cus chrom said so".
That's a really, really, shitty reason.
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Also, nightcat: you got two more hours than we thought: you better have good reasons for voting me.
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C'mon man, we got 3 more hours. Read my filter, read chromatically's reasons on me. He's missing the target, just like he missed on xzavier last game.
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